The Gang of Five
The Land Before Time => Land Before Time TV Series (2007) => Episode Discussion => Topic started by: pokeplayer984 on February 22, 2007, 01:48:06 AM
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Why haven't we talked about this one yet? :huh:
Let us please discuss this one. I'll give my opinion on it later. :)
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I believe that the "episode 9" we have is really episode 1, or at least, the first episode shown on YTV. Whether this is the first episode in the order of the show's of events is unknown. Anyway, we learn that Chomper's parents have given Ruby the responsibility of watching over him, and that the inhabitants of the valley have allowed Chomper and Ruby to stay in a series of caves. We don't know the exact circumstances of Ruby and Chomper meeting the original five, but we see that the main characters must have met them, because they don't act surprised when they see them in the valley.
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You know, Universal could be doing what other TV related companies have done. Which is show a certian number of episodes first, then show the multi-part origin later in the series.
There are shows that have done this. One example is the 1989 cartoon, Chip 'n Dale Rescue Rangers. This show went through over 50 episodes before showing how the Rescue Rangers got together and what their first case was.
Another one was Freakazoid!, where they didn't show how the hero got his powers until the 6th episode.
Even multiple versions of Batman, Superman and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles have done something like this.
For all we know, Universal could be doing the same with LBT.
Anyways, further research has proven this episode to actually be the first to air on TV.
It seems that the first two eps consisted of the following plots: Ep. 1: Finding Chomper a new cave to live in. Ep. 2: A tooth related plot. (Maybe toothache?)
This info came from a TV Guide website. I'll get back to you later with the link. :)
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You know, Universal could be doing what other TV related companies have done. Which is show a certian number of episodes first, then show the multi-part origin later in the series.
There are shows that have done this. One example is the 1989 cartoon, Chip 'n Dale Rescue Rangers. This show went through over 50 episodes before showing how the Rescue Rangers got together and what their first case was.
Another one was Freakazoid!, where they didn't show how the hero got his powers until the 6th episode.
Even multiple versions of Batman, Superman and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles have done something like this.
For all we know, Universal could be doing the same with LBT.
Anyways, further research has proven this episode to actually be the first to air on TV.
It seems that the first two eps consisted of the following plots: Ep. 1: Finding Chomper a new cave to live in. Ep. 2: A tooth related plot. (Maybe toothache?)
This info came from a TV Guide website. I'll get back to you later with the link. :)
Interesting! I have a question. For the series you use as examples, such as Chip n' Dale and Freakazoi, were these explanary episodes done as like a flashback? Some character asks how it all began and then the gang remembers? Or is it just randomly an episode that seems out of order, with no explanation as to why we're suddenly taken back so far in the show's timeline? I would be interested in seeing how they fit a 'backstory' episode in.
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You want to know something I found interesting about this episode? Chomper seems to be able to go into a 'rage.' When he gets upset about the water dripping in his cave he seems to lose all reason and attacks the stalagtites, roaring in rage. Only a fall in the puddle brought him back to his senses, and he seemed dismayed at what he had just done. This really interested me. Perhaps anger triggers a more Sharptooth-like reaction in Chomper (or in other words...maybe he has a temper lol)
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I noticed that too; this could prove to be a liability later on... that rage wasn't ever seen in any of the other main characters, and even when they did get angry, it was over something more important, and they never lost it like this.
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You know, Universal could be doing what other TV related companies have done. Which is show a certian number of episodes first, then show the multi-part origin later in the series.
There are shows that have done this. One example is the 1989 cartoon, Chip 'n Dale Rescue Rangers. This show went through over 50 episodes before showing how the Rescue Rangers got together and what their first case was.
Another one was Freakazoid!, where they didn't show how the hero got his powers until the 6th episode.
Even multiple versions of Batman, Superman and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles have done something like this.
For all we know, Universal could be doing the same with LBT.
Anyways, further research has proven this episode to actually be the first to air on TV.
It seems that the first two eps consisted of the following plots: Ep. 1: Finding Chomper a new cave to live in. Ep. 2: A tooth related plot. (Maybe toothache?)
This info came from a TV Guide website. I'll get back to you later with the link. :)
Interesting! I have a question. For the series you use as examples, such as Chip n' Dale and Freakazoi, were these explanary episodes done as like a flashback? Some character asks how it all began and then the gang remembers? Or is it just randomly an episode that seems out of order, with no explanation as to why we're suddenly taken back so far in the show's timeline? I would be interested in seeing how they fit a 'backstory' episode in.
TMNT did do flashbacks with their latest version. In that one, they were told by Splinter. We even find out his origin.
Batman and Superman have a dream-like sequence. They somehow get knocked out, and we go back to the beginning. And most likely, the villian and event happening somehow works with the beginning.
As for Freakazoid!, (Yes, that show's title actually had an exclamation point in it.) it did it as a narraration deal. It was a sad state compared to the other action/comedy related episodes within the series.
Chip 'n Dale Rescue Rangers just put it in. Luckily, it was 5 eps long, so it gave the writers plenty of time to explain how it all started. And with the idea of villians working together, and how problematic the Rescue Rangers were when they started, it was worth waiting 50+ episodes for it to appear.
As for Chomper's anger issue, that is pretty interesting. I wonder if Redclaw will use it to his advantage eventually. (It would make him more like a real villian.)
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Actually, with the Rescue Rangers, they put the origin case as the series starter. Television stations premiered it as one continuous movie. It was later broken up into 5 parts, to fit a syndication schedule. (I was and still am a bit of a fan.)
I do see a potential exploitable weakness with Chomper's rage issue. Hopefully Redclaw won't be able to take advantage of it.
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I believe that the "episode 9" we have is really episode 1, or at least, the first episode shown on YTV.
What episode are you exactly referring to? I have just downloaded nearly all the episodes and would like to watch them in the correct sequence of events, but I still don't understand, which of the episode guides that can be found on internet is the right one.
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This episode also had a reference to Jurassic Park in it.
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When was the reference you speak of?
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Loved this one! It was fun and exciting. The only part that was kinda lame was the yelling in the cave. They seemed to over do it. The rest of it was good and it's a heck of a lot better than anything else I've seen on tv so far (just got cable 2 days ago). :)
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The reference to Jurassic Park in this episode happened in the cave when Chomper said "Don't move! Redclaw can't see you if you're still!"
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I love how Chomper is portrayed in the series, especially when he tries to stop the water from flooding his cave. It really shows hom much of a kid he is.
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Yes, and makes him seem more real by getting frustrated as anyone does sometimes.
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why was chomper cave because leaky
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If you are asking why did Chomper's cave become leaky it's so the script writers could have an episode. One of those magical things called a plot device that may not make sense but they do it anyway to have an episode.
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When Screech and Thud (were they identified by name in this one?) broke out of the wall, the gang all yelled at once, and started running away, but they were all frozen in place for a few moments before they started moving (similar to what normally happens in Scooby-doo when they get chased).
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That is very common in cartoons for some reason.
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Yeah, I've always wondered why.
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I have also. I find it sorta annoying but I do my best to ignore it since it appears so much.
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My review on –the cave of the many voices“ is going to be very random I suppose. While watching the episode for the first time (German version) I wrote everything I was thinking of on the back of an envelope (which I noticed later on was one which I might have better kept clear of pencil scribbles) while watching the English original I was scribling on the back of a library voucher. The result were these two pieces of paper randomly scribled with German, English, nonsense and a few symbols:
(http://mitglied.lycos.de/malte279/gekritzel.jpg)
My overall impression of the episode was rather positive. The translators had some tricky things to translate and I must say they mostly did a good job in transfering the message rather than trying forcibly to stick to the literal meaning. There were some passages where they rhymed in English but not in German and the other way round. There were a few strange terms though. In the German version Ruby’s “Oh dear” from the English version was translated to “Ach Du dickes Drachenei”. Litterally translated back to English this would mean “Oh you thick dragon-egg!” and would stand for a kind of “lizardized” version of “Oh dear”. It still is funny to think of LBT dinosaurs as thinking about dragons. Interestingly Chomper’s “planteaters” was translated to “Flachz‰hne” (“flatteeth”). Cera’s (English) use of the term “appetizer” made me think of her “raw, medium, or well done?” question in LBT 5. At times the dinosaurs of LBT seem to be surprisingly familiar with human terms, but I count this as funny rather than annoying if it is not too excessively used. They translated “Redclaw” to “Rotklaue” which is quite correctly translated, but I still prefer the English name.
I noticed red claws claw was red, which (though it seems to make sense) is rather strange. I don’t see how a claw consisting of horn only without any blood vessels in it could be scarred into redness. One of the effects not to be thought about too much I reckon. I was quite pleased not to see another type of redness in the episode. They did not turn everything red in a dangerous situation. They did use another “effect” unseen in the sequels though. In case of danger they increase the suspension by screening of (when Littlefoot, Cera, and Chomper were sliding towards Redclaw) and leaving the screen black for some moments. I was happy with the animation in general.
I found the topic of “talking big” somewhat appealing. They translated “talking big” as “talking loud” which I don’t think hits the mark. After all it is not just that Ducky is talking quieter than Ruby, is it? Ruby had an interesting way of talking but I must say I am not quite convinced about some of the effects ascribed to her talk. For example I don’t really see why those two bigger domeheads would be scarred into dropping Ducky’s treestars at Ruby’s demand. Nor do I see why the domeheads would go after Ducky’s tresstars in a Valley full of treestars in the first place? Why was Ruby the only one to help Ducky, while the others were around too? These things are somewhat strange, but I doubt there will be any more point in discussing them as in discussing the unrealistically “pouring” stalactites in Chomper’s cave (more like pipes rather than stalactites). Speaking of the dripping in Chomper’s cave, he seems to be more sensitive about the sound of dripping water than Ruby. She did not appear to be tired the next morning, while Chomper certainly was. Littlefoot, Cera, Ducky, Petrie, and Spike were all out in the open (with no real cave whatsoever) and just seemed to be somewhat annoyed, but not overly troubled by the water. Chomper seems to be somewhat “hydrophobic”. Perhaps this makes kind of sense for a sharptooth. The planteaters on the other hand seemed to feel much less at ease in the cave than Chomper did.
There were several more interesting points about Chomper and his relationship with the others for anyone who has not seen the TV episodes so far. First of all, he sure has not just a “hatchling’s bite”, gnawing through stalactites in his fury (Redclaw and his cronies proved surprisingly capable at digging through solid rock too). The others aluded to Chomper’s being a carnivore but in a somewhat joking manner (“don’t look at me!”). Petrie led Chomper to his food. There is definitely no “guilty conscience” about dooming a tribe of insects, even though he is not interested in the “details”. I think this is quite “okay” for the LBT characters. No other way to keep Chomper in the Great Valley for sure. One might see this as a minor conflict with Littlefoot’s interest in such creatures as a frog (“hopper” in the original movie) and a dragonfly in LBT 4. Maybe the dinosaurs in the Great Valley consider creatures like insects and “not talking non-dinosaurs” of any sort pretty much the way we would consider animals. An exception for this rule would be Tickles from LBT 4, a creature probably of a proper size to make a meal for Chomper; I guess I’m getting a bit off topic here.
Ruby too is shown as no vegetarian. I wonder if her eating habbits ever provoke similar comments as those given to Chomper? We see Ruby eat a shell in the movie (very likely a creature even less likely to be regarded a “creature” than insects).
The movie clearly stated that the parents of Littlefoot and the others left the caves to Chomper and Ruby. For all I know there has never been any real explanation neither for their being in the Valley, nor for Ruby’s being kind of a “nanny” for Chomper. It would sure be interesting to learn more about this.
Notably there was the reference to Saurus Rock from LBT 6. Also I noticed they used one background we have seen before. This image has been around for a while:
(http://mitglied.lycos.de/malte279/05380521.jpg)
It is associated with LBT 11 though (same as a couple of similar pictures refering to LBT 11) it is definitely not a screenshot. We do see the same background in one scene from “The cave of the many voices”.
One interesting fact was that Chomper recognized that there would be an echo in the cave before he had even given it a try. He seems to be very well aware of physics of sound. The same is not true for much older (and probably more experienced) Redclaw and his cronies. Unlike the kids they were very confused and scarred by the echos. Again I suppose this is minor lack of realism not too hard to tolerate. The final statement of Ducky appeared a little mawkish; but never mind.
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Malte.....if you write a review this long for each tv episode, your fingers are gonna fall off. :lol
And yes I did read the whole thing. I think you're being a little too technical. The domeheads might have just wanted to be jerks or something. Maybe they're really dumb or found it hard to get treestars in another way. If you keep looking at things this way with the tv series, I doubt you'll be able to sleep at night when you see the other ones. "the cave of many voices" was one of the best and most consistent tv episodes.
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I don't want to say much since it may spoil your watching the series, but all I will say is if you watch 2 episodes: The Star Day Celebration, and Return to Hanging Rock, both of those have some flashbacks which should give you most or all of the information that any viewer knows about Ruby.
As to the Domeheads, it could be they recently came to the Great Valley and were not use to the residents share alike, there is plenty for all, sort of attitude (well except for Cera's dad who doesn't have those feelings much yet).
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Ah, good point Kor. The domeheads might have grown up in the mysterious beyond and been taught by their mother that the only way to get food was to steal it in order to stay alive. Food is extremely scarce in the mysterious beyond after all. Who knows how young they were?
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Maybe some fingers have to be sacrificed for the sake of discussion ;)
As the episodes are shown daily here (rather than once a week or the like) I don't think I will be able to write something that long every time. I'll do my very best though. I'm late, but there may still be elements about some episodes not yet mentioned or discussed though they may be worth of discussing.
I agree though that there is probably little point in trying to figure out something plausible about all the minor issues I mentioned above. I doubt there will be a satisfactory explanation for the domeheads acting. They were both taller than Ruby was. Is she really such a great rhetoric?
The Star Day celebration is in fact one of the few episodes I did watch some time ago already.
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One thing I forgot to mention is that there are some interesting background melodies in the episode. It is most notable in the scene when they are chasing Redclaw away with the echos (and in the subsequent scenes), but there are other scenes as well with melodies composed for the series rather than for earlier LBT movies. In case of this episode I don't think there is any music from the earlier LBT movies excepting the remake of adventuring, is there?
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I thought the part when Chomper gets angery when his cave leaks was funny because i never seen him get like that before he is usually cute and more calmed down but he is a little older now and his calm personality could have changed some mabie he dose not like to get wet a lot or at least in this part he dident wont to. I think it would have been more funny if he bit Ruby's arm or just plain bit her. :lol
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Maybe he was very frustrated he couldn't get any sleep with the dripping. Even if he had gone into the next cave farther in he'd still have heard the dripping. And getting wet in a leaking cave would just make it even worst.
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yes i tink so also the cave would have made a lot of noise and he would not get much sleep in the cave at all.
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It is a bit strange though that Ruby didn't seem to be bothered at all. The dripping water didn't seem to disturb her sleep either. Only Chomper appeared to be tired the next morning.
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mabie Ruby sleeps in another part of the cave where she can hear the noise but she stays close by near Chomper. That was a good point you made.
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If another part of the cave was dry enough for Ruby to sleep perfectly undisturbed I guess there wouldn't have been any reason for Chomper not to go there too. There would have been no need to search for a new cave at all. Anyway, perhaps Ruby is just the sounder sleeper of the two.
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yes thats also true sence the whole cave flooded out so mabie Ruby just sleped out side of the cave and so did chomper but Chomper was propley so distirbed that he was up all night having truble going back to sleep.
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It could be she is a more sound sleeper. Maybe he has a harder time getting to sleep then the average person. Things have to be just right for him to get to sleep and get a good sleep.
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that could be it sounds right to me and like i said he could have been so disturbed that he could not have gotten back to sleep we kind of said close to the same thing thats neat. B) :D :yes
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Maybe Ruby doesn't mind getting wet. The flashbacks seem to indicate this.
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Maybe her family sleeps in caves at times, she may also be use to the sound of dripping as well as being a sound sleeper.
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that could also be true. :yes
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It was funny that chomper scares off the other sharpteeth.Being crushed by a herd of flat teeth is dangerous and probably happens often.Maybe that is the best way to get food by scaring them off a cliff? :unsure:
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I think I recall some Indians would do that with Buffallo at times. Make them stampede or chasing them so they would run off a cliff. I don't recall the details since I read that 25-30 years ago I think.
Also in this episode we see a few seconds of some Fast Biter kids playing. I managed to get 2 screenshots of it.
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I remember the first time I watched this episode. It was at my parent's house on vacation, and the window was open. When Ducky screamed, she set all the dogs in the neighborhood barking for like ten minutes. It was like that scene from 101 Dalmatians, and really funny. :lol
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Sounds like a funny scene. :yes :lol
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I remember the first time I watched this episode. It was at my parent's house on vacation, and the window was open. When Ducky screamed, she set all the dogs in the neighborhood barking for like ten minutes. It was like that scene from 101 Dalmatians, and really funny. :lol
Now, that is hilarious :lol :lol!
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After nearly 3 years since it aired, this episode has now been officially posted on Yahoo! Video as one FULL 23 Minute part by yours truly.
I'll be making a promotional video for it to be posted on YouTube later today.
I'll be continuing this for the other episodes every Sunday.
Here's the link:
http://video.yahoo.com/watch/6772825/17601137 (http://video.yahoo.com/watch/6772825/17601137)
Hope you enjoy it! :)
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Okay, the promotional video is now officially up. Now you want to see it, right?
Alright, but I don't expect greatness with it. I want you to watch it with an open mind so you can give the best review of it possible. All I've done is just take some of the scenes and tried to explain the plot with them.
To be honest, it was rather simple. :P:
Okay, with that out of the way, here's the link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Blm9b6RCRUs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Blm9b6RCRUs)
Enjoy!
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Alrighty, here's my take on this...
This episode is amongst those I'd definately want to rewatch one day :) This episode didn't have most of the typical flaws of the Tv-series in general. The plot was well structured and exciting. I won't talk about Ruby's sudden appearance out of nowhere (I was already thinking I confused the order of the episode). Redclaw and his companions seem to have some superpowers here but they're afraid of Ducky's squawking :lol
I guess they put much effort into the first few eps in order to get the interest of people but less into the last ones which might have been due to timing of course of due to lack of budget... who knows :rolleyes:
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The nostalgia.
I haven't seen this episode since 2007.
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I finally started watching the TV show today. :D
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I wasn't too pleased with this first episode. :(
I'll admit that my expectations for the show weren't very high, but I was curious too. And I'm a completionist, so I knew I'd have to check it out eventually. I can say that it was entertaining, albeit pretty cheesy too. And the songs... ugh (although the background music was good, and I liked the main title theme). Maybe the series will start to grow on me as I get further in? Or else maybe some episodes are better than others. I guess I'll find out.
I already knew from the community that there wasn't any real reason given as to why Chomper is no longer with his parents, and now lives in the Great Valley under the care of Ruby. Still, since it is the first episode, I guess they felt they had to offer some sort of explanation, even if it's a throwaway line. But I really wish they'd given us more than just Ruby saying, "I promised your mom and dad I'd keep us safe from Red Claw."
Speaking of Red Claw, for such a light-hearted series, he has a pretty freaky design! Beyond that, though, I wasn't very impressed with him. He seems like just another generic Sharptooth antagonist, at least so far.
And speaking of Ruby, being the first episode, this makes it her debut to the franchise. Kinda awkward that she just appears out of nowhere and everyone already knows who she is. :!
I do like that we got to see Tria and Tricia again, even if briefly.
Well those are my thoughts for now. I'll report in again as I see the other episodes.
I remember the first time I watched this episode. It was at my parent's house on vacation, and the window was open. When Ducky screamed, she set all the dogs in the neighborhood barking for like ten minutes. It was like that scene from 101 Dalmatians, and really funny.
:DD
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I just saw this episode, and I can't stop thinking about Chomper's tantrum at the start! :smile It is just so ridiculously hilarious! I loved Ruby's face after Chomper destroyed the cave. It just screamed, "What did you expect?" It's the same face @RainbowFaceProtege would give me after I did something like this :PAli
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I just saw this episode, and I can't stop thinking about Chomper's tantrum at the start! :smile It is just so ridiculously hilarious! I loved Ruby's face after Chomper destroyed the cave. It just screamed, "What did you expect?" It's the same face @RainbowFaceProtege would give me after I did something like this :PAli
^This is true. :p
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I just saw this episode, and I can't stop thinking about Chomper's tantrum at the start! :smile It is just so ridiculously hilarious! I loved Ruby's face after Chomper destroyed the cave. It just screamed, "What did you expect?" It's the same face @RainbowFaceProtege would give me after I did something like this :PAli
Chomper’s ire makes him powerful. Soon he will give in and become the Sharplord we all expect him to be! :D
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I just saw this episode, and I can't stop thinking about Chomper's tantrum at the start! :smile It is just so ridiculously hilarious! I loved Ruby's face after Chomper destroyed the cave. It just screamed, "What did you expect?" It's the same face @RainbowFaceProtege would give me after I did something like this :PAli
^This is true. :p
Hmm, so are the two of you like Chomper and Ruby then? :P
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Occasionally, yes. We can be quite like Chomper and Ruby. Other times, we can be like Spike and Ducky.
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I am like Littlefoot, Petrie and Horned Aharptooth combined. :D
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Occasionally, yes. We can be quite like Chomper and Ruby. Other times, we can be like Spike and Ducky.
Chomper and Ruby for the most part, you're not a Spike so much as a Chomper. :OhYou
I am like Littlefoot, Petrie and Horned Aharptooth combined. :D
:lol I don't wanna be there when the Horned Sharptooth comes out in you. :whatdidyousay :rhett_ohno
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Occasionally, yes. We can be quite like Chomper and Ruby. Other times, we can be like Spike and Ducky.
Chomper and Ruby for the most part, you're not a Spike so much as a Chomper. :OhYou
I am like Littlefoot, Petrie and Horned Aharptooth combined. :D
:lol I don't wanna be there when the Horned Sharptooth comes out in you. :whatdidyousay :rhett_ohno
Its a side of me I try to reserve for eejes. ;)
You need not worry. :)
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Watched the episode again today. My opinion of it hasn't changed much for the most part, although I do have a few new thoughts. :yes
You know, the first time I watched this episode, I thought that "Adventuring" was a song created exclusively for the TV series, despite having seen LBT 10 prior. It wasn't until a few months after I saw the episode, when we had a Discord live stream of LBT 10, did I come to realize that "Adventuring" originated from there instead, and the version in the episode is simply a reprise. :p Seems that my memory was a little faulty on that one. :p
I complained before about Ruby’s rather abrupt introduction to the series. Although this time around, I did notice that they show her quirky way of speaking right with her very first line. I like the way they established that, at least. :) ("That sky water, Chomper, it just keeps coming down until it doesn't.")
Chomper: "I gotta make it stop!!" *proceeds to smash open the stalactites*
Oh Chomper. What would we do without you?
:facepalm
I just saw this episode, and I can't stop thinking about Chomper's tantrum at the start! :smile It is just so ridiculously hilarious! I loved Ruby's face after Chomper destroyed the cave. It just screamed, "What did you expect?" It's the same face @RainbowFaceProtege would give me after I did something like this :PAli
Her expression was pretty funny, gotta admit. :P
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Joining the informal rewatch crew, and, gotta say, the one thing I mainly took away from the episode is the fact that Domeheads are 100% leaf-eaters in this universe. Could well be a retcon and the ones in the first movie might still be some kind of predator, but I like to think they were just being territorial and defensive there. Also, there's some apparent leaf-eaters in the episode that look very much like Redlcaw's raptors, just smaller, like the group that Redclaw and co chase away from a watering hole. Some kind of gallimimus or similar? Who knows.
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Welcome to the informal rewatch crew! We are happy to have you aboard. :)