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Title: Discuss: Escape from the Mysterious Beyond
Post by: Noname on February 17, 2007, 11:53:04 PM
What did you think? I thought it was okay, especially the part on that isolated cliff. I wonder if the characters ever tell their families about being chased by Redclaw. This marks the third time it has happened in nine episodes. Spike doesn't really talk, and it isn't a problem for Chomper and Ruby, who don't live with their parents, but for the others...
Title: Discuss: Escape from the Mysterious Beyond
Post by: Littlefoot Fan on February 18, 2007, 01:21:25 AM
I really liked this episode mainly because of the part where Chomper and Ducky were isolated on the cliff with the "stuck" raptor (aahh god, can't remember his name :slap). I liked how Chomper tried to act all brave and said he wouldn't let him hurt Ducky, even though he obviously couldn't do anything if the raptor got loose.

I felt kind of bad for the raptor towards the end, but I still think Chomper was an idiot for letting him loose. It was obvious he was gonna come back with a vengence.

I also found it funny how there was a convenient tree right at the edge of the cliff, that just perfectly reached the small piece of land. I mean, I know they had to make some way for the gang to save them, but come on. Be a *little* more original :rolleyes:

But overall, it was a good episode. We got to see a closer relationship between Chomper and Ducky and I liked that :p
Title: Discuss: Escape from the Mysterious Beyond
Post by: pokeplayer984 on February 18, 2007, 01:30:28 AM
IMO, Red Claw seems to be more of a villian than most of the sharpteeth we've seen in LBT.  I mean, he had his raptor minions, now revealed to be Screech and Thug, go after the gang when he couldn't get across the narrow ledge.  I don't think you would expect that from a normal sharptooth.

I noticed how in this episode that they translated the sharptooth language again.  It seems that Chomper is the only sharptooth that makes friends with leafeaters.  I really liked this one.

The songs were okay and all, but I think they could've been better.  In all truth, I'm not seeing much in song material for the TV series.  Hopefully, they won't "ruin" the more meaniful ones.  Those just mean too much to be ruined.

Well, time to get to those songs.  They should be ready by tomorrow. :)
Title: Discuss: Escape from the Mysterious Beyond
Post by: Ratiasu on February 18, 2007, 01:52:28 AM
I like the episode, and it's nice that they gave an antagonist a bit of personality other than RAWR, I'MA GUNNA EAT YOU. Gee, they sure like to sing that Adventuring song, don't they? Well, it was great that it focused on the relationship between Chomper and Ducky. I still wish Chomper made actual growls and barks instead of human imitations, but oh well.

...I still think the predator subtitles were unnecessary. You pretty much knew what Thug was thinking even without the subtitles, and all in all, the subtitles annoyed me a bit because I felt that they weren't needed - you could tell Chomper was being protective of Ducky and that he didn't tell her what Thug really said, so...
Title: Discuss: Escape from the Mysterious Beyond
Post by: DarkHououmon on February 18, 2007, 02:56:10 AM
I think that freeing Thug is what saved the group in the end. They were cornered, with Redclaw and Screech just right outside. Then along comes Thug. He knows they are there, but instead, he seems to deliberately mislead Redclaw and Screech and they head away. I think Thug was returning the favor.
Title: Discuss: Escape from the Mysterious Beyond
Post by: Ratiasu on February 18, 2007, 04:03:07 AM
That's my interpretation of what happened too.
Title: Discuss: Escape from the Mysterious Beyond
Post by: Littlefoot Fan on February 18, 2007, 11:06:52 AM
Hmmm, yea maybe that is what happened. Guess I wasn't thinking too much about the end there. :slap

But then again even that kind of doesn't make much sense. Why would he give them a "second chance" just because they helped him, even though he's going to continue hunting them later. Unless maybe we'll see in a later episode that Thud has changed.

It's like a cat that lets go of his mouse and says "You better start running, cause I'm about to chase you!" :lol
Title: Discuss: Escape from the Mysterious Beyond
Post by: NewOrder on February 18, 2007, 01:54:41 PM
It's normal for cartoon villains who are helped to help back, but I dought he'll be so forgiving in the future. There are a couple of things I still don't get. Why are Red Claw and the others after the gang? It's like they're after them for a reason other than eating them. How did the gang find out the names of Red claw and the others? Did Chomper know him before coming to the great valley?
Ruby said she promissed Chomper's parents she would keep him safe, was she on the island? Did they get off the island?
This series gives more questions than answers.

Btw, his name is Thud or Thug?
Title: Discuss: Escape from the Mysterious Beyond
Post by: Noname on February 18, 2007, 02:20:58 PM
I suppose the series will have to answer those questions as time goes on, which will provide material for later episodes. Also, I think his name is Thud.
Title: Discuss: Escape from the Mysterious Beyond
Post by: DarkHououmon on February 19, 2007, 12:00:54 AM
I thought it was Thug.
Title: Discuss: Escape from the Mysterious Beyond
Post by: pokeplayer984 on February 19, 2007, 01:36:25 AM
Well, it's easy to get confused by the two names, but in all truth, it's Thug.

And I hold a rather strange prediction, but I'll explain it in the Predictions topic that we hold here.

Oh, and Action, the songs won't be ready until Tuesday.  Sorry about all this, but after finishing a rather large project, I just had to take a break and took too big of one.

So, sorry again there. :^.^:
Title: Discuss: Escape from the Mysterious Beyond
Post by: novaflare on March 16, 2007, 07:18:09 PM
Quote from: Littlefoot Fan,Feb 18 2007 on  01:21 AM
I really liked this episode mainly because of the part where Chomper and Ducky were isolated on the cliff with the "stuck" raptor (aahh god, can't remember his name :slap). I liked how Chomper tried to act all brave and said he wouldn't let him hurt Ducky, even though he obviously couldn't do anything if the raptor got loose.

I felt kind of bad for the raptor towards the end, but I still think Chomper was an idiot for letting him loose. It was obvious he was gonna come back with a vengence.

I also found it funny how there was a convenient tree right at the edge of the cliff, that just perfectly reached the small piece of land. I mean, I know they had to make some way for the gang to save them, but come on. Be a *little* more original :rolleyes:

But overall, it was a good episode. We got to see a closer relationship between Chomper and Ducky and I liked that :p
I thought it was the best ep to date. I bet this ep is giving some kids nightmare. Got to admit the scene with chomper and ducky "ducky dont look" was pretty intense. I felt this was more faithful to the original movie in the intensity and emotinal impact. They did not pull any punches in the scene with ducky and chomper. You knew what they were thinking. The scene was long enough to really get the point cross. The fear showed in the animation and the voices.



Ot but this is getting stupid does any one got a ep list in the correct order? Titan tvs listing are all whacked. Not a single ep has been in the right order wich is the reason i started another topic about this episode. For me this episode was episode 10 not 8.
Title: Discuss: Escape from the Mysterious Beyond
Post by: pokeplayer984 on March 16, 2007, 10:31:56 PM
Quote from: novaflare,Mar 16 2007 on  06:18 PM
Quote from: Littlefoot Fan,Feb 18 2007 on  01:21 AM
I really liked this episode mainly because of the part where Chomper and Ducky were isolated on the cliff with the "stuck" raptor (aahh god, can't remember his name :slap). I liked how Chomper tried to act all brave and said he wouldn't let him hurt Ducky, even though he obviously couldn't do anything if the raptor got loose.

I felt kind of bad for the raptor towards the end, but I still think Chomper was an idiot for letting him loose. It was obvious he was gonna come back with a vengence.

I also found it funny how there was a convenient tree right at the edge of the cliff, that just perfectly reached the small piece of land. I mean, I know they had to make some way for the gang to save them, but come on. Be a *little* more original :rolleyes:

But overall, it was a good episode. We got to see a closer relationship between Chomper and Ducky and I liked that :p
I thought it was the best ep to date. I bet this ep is giving some kids nightmare. Got to admit the scene with chomper and ducky "ducky dont look" was pretty intense. I felt this was more faithful to the original movie in the intensity and emotinal impact. They did not pull any punches in the scene with ducky and chomper. You knew what they were thinking. The scene was long enough to really get the point cross. The fear showed in the animation and the voices.



Ot but this is getting stupid does any one got a ep list in the correct order? Titan tvs listing are all whacked. Not a single ep has been in the right order wich is the reason i started another topic about this episode. For me this episode was episode 10 not 8.
These eps are appearing out of order in the few places it has aired. (Canada and US.) However, I hold a topic that shows the official order from DirectTV.  I very much trust it.  However, understand that the list isn't complete, as I only get the official number of the ep 8 days in advance.  So understand that it is a work in progress.

http://z7.invisionfree.com/thegangoffive/i...?showtopic=1338 (http://www.gangoffive.net/index.php?topic=1196)

Oh, and this topic also shows you what eps will appear within the 8 days ahead deal.  So you can know when to catch up if you missed an ep. :)

Hope this helps, Novaflare. :^.^:
Title: Discuss: Escape from the Mysterious Beyond
Post by: Ryuukokoro on March 16, 2007, 10:42:28 PM
I don't think your order is correct, pokeplayer984. There's some very strong hints in "The Cave of Many Voices" that it is the first episode of the series, yet you have it listed as number 6.

I would bet real money that "Cave of Many Voices" was intended to be episode 1. There are indications in the script that I can recognize as a writer.
Title: Discuss: Escape from the Mysterious Beyond
Post by: pokeplayer984 on March 17, 2007, 08:06:07 AM
Quote from: Ryuukokoro,Mar 16 2007 on  09:42 PM
I don't think your order is correct, pokeplayer984. There's some very strong hints in "The Cave of Many Voices" that it is the first episode of the series, yet you have it listed as number 6.

I would bet real money that "Cave of Many Voices" was intended to be episode 1. There are indications in the script that I can recognize as a writer.
Just because the episode gives certian pieces of information, doesn't 100% mean it is the first episode.  There's more than one way to write a story, you know.

From experience, I've known DirectTV to be quite accurate, even in listing the order number of episodes for a TV show.  Only when the first season DVD comes out will I be fully proven right or wrong, but chances are that I am correct. :)
Title: Discuss: Escape from the Mysterious Beyond
Post by: novaflare on March 17, 2007, 08:13:50 AM
Quote from: Ryuukokoro,Mar 16 2007 on  10:42 PM
I don't think your order is correct, pokeplayer984. There's some very strong hints in "The Cave of Many Voices" that it is the first episode of the series, yet you have it listed as number 6.

I would bet real money that "Cave of Many Voices" was intended to be episode 1. There are indications in the script that I can recognize as a writer.
Yeh here cave of many voices was the first ep.
Ill try to remember the order for me to date

1 cave of many voices
2 star day celebration
3 The Canyon of the Shiny Stones
4 The Brave Longneck Scheme
5 Legend of the Story Speakers
6 The Meadow of Jumping Waters
7 Legend of the Story Speakers
8 The Great Log Running Game
9 The Bright Circle Celebration
10 escape from mysterious beyond

Pretty sure thats right as per order aired for me. acording to titan tv there are 4 more eps before mid season break or end of season depending on how cartoon network airs the 26 episodes they have. Its looking like they are going to have a few reruns between the last 4 on titan tvs listings. But of corse its order is totally whacked any how. Imdb has them meessed up as well. For the most part i dont think air order matters alot here as per the over all story line. But it would seem that escape from mysterious beyond should have aired before the great circle celebration. It shows chomper and ducky shivering.
 Heh leave it to universal to continue showing dinos as warm blooded :) I think as per tv and film they were the first to adopt the idea as fact.
Title: Discuss: Escape from the Mysterious Beyond
Post by: Ryuukokoro on March 17, 2007, 07:25:52 PM
Indications that "Cave of Many Voices" was intended to be the first episode of the series:

1.) The very first opening scene shows us dinosaurs that do not have anything to do with the plot. This is a common plot device (a character foil) that introduces us to the world before the characters are introduced. For example, in Disney's Dinosaur (the movie about Aladar) the opening scene is about a baby Parasolophus, which is then not seen again until the very end of the movie. It's a common trick to open a story with character(s) who are not pertenant, and then to show the important characters. Like the original Land Before time, which showed the small water lizard during the credits.

2.) After the opening scene with the dinosaurs that don't have anythign to do with the show, we are then shown the seven children one at a time as they observe the rain. This is obviously meant to be an introduction to each character, showing us their current family situation and also introduces their personalities.

3.) Ruby mentions Red Claw and the reasons why she and Chomper are in the valley, and also that the adults let them stay there. This is important because it introduces the main villain, and also tells the audience why they are in the valley and are now main characters (since last we knew from the movies, they were not).

4.) This episode focuses on Chomper and Ruby a lot. Ruby saves Ducky's treestars and helps her talk big. Chomper is the one who pushes to find a new cave. This is to be expected, that a first episode would focus on the newest characters.

5.) We are introduced to Red Claw and his fast biters in this episode. Red Claw is not in EVERY episode, but he was in this one. It would make sense that they would show us the main villains in the first episode.

6.) Petire mentions to Chomper the 'stinkly buzzers' which he can eat, which tells viewers right away what Chomper eats in the valley. This is an important question to get out of the way, since viewers would wonder what Chomper eats living here with leaf eaters. (We also see Ruby eating the clam thing earlier, so that answers that question as well.)

7.) This episode is a complete story, and doesn't introduce other sub-characters. There are some episodes that leave questions at the end, such as the one with Ali and Rhette (leaving us to wonder, will they still be here next episode? What will become of them?) Episodes like that one bring in sub-characters. Ali and Rhette, also Saur the Story Speaker, etc. These are characters that are meant to only be in one episode, used as a plot foil. There are no characters like that in "Cave of Many Voices," since it would be too confusing to introduce sub-characters when they are working on introducing their main characters.

Of course, these points woudn't necessarily mean much by themselves, but all together it is obvious that this was intended to be the first episode.

Like I said, as a writer, I can recognize these things. I've graduated college with a degree in writing and I now do freelance editing work and also work in a publishing press. I've had a lot of experience with writing, and plots in general. These are things I can see very obviously. I'm sure it's common sense to other people as well. DarkHouhoumon and I have talked about this episode on AIM and she agrees with my points that these are indications of it being a first episode, meant to introduce the series.
Title: Discuss: Escape from the Mysterious Beyond
Post by: pokeplayer984 on March 18, 2007, 07:53:28 AM
Well, you have pointed out some very nice things that show quite a number of reasons as to why "The Cave of Many Voices" is most likely the first ep.  However, I am a writer who has studied from other people's work.  This has taught me one thing, you don't need to follow the traditional ways of writing to make a story.  There are a few people out there who do it a different way than what you mentioned and do it well enough for people not to care.  Sure, they have to make up for it later by giving background stories and answering questions and such, but it's a method that, though risky, can still work.

Your info only proves it to be most likely the first ep.  There is a small chance that Universal chose to do it differently.  However, in the end, the only way to completely set everything aside, is the only thing that will be the 100% proff.  The DVD release will give us our answer.

Remember, there is a chance you are right, there is a chance I am right, and there is a chance that niether of us are right.  Only when the DVD comes out will we know the answer.

Until then, we can debate all we want on this. :)
Title: Discuss: Escape from the Mysterious Beyond
Post by: Digi-Dragon on April 21, 2007, 09:30:09 PM
I really liked this episode. It reminded me of the movies I came to love, and it really fleshed out Chomper's insecurity of being small. I caught a few bad-animation moments (ie. when the tree-bridge fell), but nothing to make me growl and stop watching. The only part that really bugged me was the fact that Chomper's growls were human-made. I loved hearing Chomper in LBT 5 (heh, especially the clicks), and I was disappointed upon seeing it's his voice actor attempting to do Sharpteeth sounds. I have to wonder, though, who did his growls, clicks, and roars in the movie? Did they ever credit the person, or was it his old voice actor who actually did them?
Title: Discuss: Escape from the Mysterious Beyond
Post by: TheNumberOneShmuck on April 21, 2007, 10:52:17 PM
Apart from mentioning that this is my favourite episode of the series so far, I'm here only to say the the Raptor's name is Thud.

Go here. (http://www.cartoonnetwork.com/tv_shows/landbeforetime/index.html)

Click "Episode Guide".

Click "Episode 9".

Read the description.
Title: Discuss: Escape from the Mysterious Beyond
Post by: aabicus (LettuceBacon&Tomato) on February 03, 2008, 04:23:41 AM
Quote from: Ryuukokoro,Mar 17 2007 on  06:25 PM
Like I said, as a writer, I can recognize these things. I've graduated college with a degree in writing and I now do freelance editing work and also work in a publishing press.
That's exactly what I'm doing, except I haven't graduated college yet. That might be the reason why I completely agree with you.

Pokeplayer, it is true that one can mix up the order of what one reveals in their writing, but remember that this is a kid's show that, despite it's inherited fan base, still needs to start off on a good limb. To do that, especially for a younger audience, one needs to start off with a clear introductory story. As Ryuukokoro said, it has all the markings of a TV pilot. This is what any show must do to ensure that it gains fans from the start. (as a corollary, this is also why most shows start getting really developed, complicated, and multi-episode story arcs in and around the 3rd season, because the authors feel like they've sufficiently set up the all-around story and characters. If you listen to the special features and interviews usually included with DVD collections, this is a common thing for directors and scriptwriters to say.)

Also, if this wasn't the pilot episode, which do think was? None of the other episodes I see look like they've been written to start the entire series off.
Title: Discuss: Escape from the Mysterious Beyond
Post by: Ducky123 on May 07, 2014, 05:16:08 PM
This is just another lovely episode :lol

First and foremost, we see a lot of Redclaw, Screech and Thud in this episode. The Gang are under the danger of being eaten pretty much during the entire episode (hence its title is quite a suitable choice :yes).
Having a good ol' earthshake has never been a bad decision so far and neither is it a bad decision in this episode. While I don't think that Ducky and Chomper were closest to the developing crack (if ya want it to work, it's gonna work ;)), they are caught on an island with Thud who's stuck. Now that's undoubtly a great combination :lol
I really liked Chomper being protective of Ducky (and providing us with a lot of moments to "capture" in a not so appropriate way :DD) and I liked the song while Adventuring was just there. It doesn't deserve further attention. Only the visuals were okay with this song.
Anyway, the "Chomper is too little" subplot is also interesting to see. I can kind of imagine Cera saying that he should be lucky because he needs less food  :idea
The fact that Chomper shows mercy on Thud saves their lifes a little later (and Thud will be forever grateful as pictured in many fics :))

So yeah, despite the obvious stupidity of the predators (what else could I have expected? :p) this is a really enjoyable episode. Dunno why people hate the series...
Title: Discuss: Escape from the Mysterious Beyond
Post by: LittlefootAndAliTogether on January 04, 2015, 07:37:16 PM
Not sure if anyone brought this up, but supposing Thud had been more right (i.e. the others had to go back as night fell) and then they weren't found, say, for about 2 weeks.

Would Chomper have caved into eating Ducky?  (I mean, eating Thud instead would be a bit harder to do.)  

That kind of bothers me.  

I mean, Thud actually brings up that subject, asking Chomper if he is going to eat Ducky.  

Another thing nobody mentioned here, at least in this thread, and I don't see it often on the forums, maybe I don't look too hard, is if Chomper gets a lot of flack from other Sharpteeth for befriending leaf eaters.  I mean, Thud seemed like he was mocking Chomper when Chomper said that Ducky was his friend.  

Chomper's odd (for a Sharptooth) behavior wasn't just questioned by Thud, but by Chomper's own father, who, seeing Chomper gathering leaves in the fifth film, says "Sometimes I worry about that boy."

Back to Chomper and Ducky, one wonders if Ducky was ever thinking, even if she wouldn't say it out loud:

"I wonder, if we are not rescueded and we stay here a few days, if Chomper might get so hungry and I will get eated by him."

Arguably, Chomper wouldn't eat her until things got so bad that he would do it in the end out of nature and no thought to it and it wouldn't be him.  And, also, one would think that, by that point, Ducky would be so poor off herself that it actually would be for the best for her if that happened (as opposed to dying of hunger, which is an awful way to die.).   :cry  :cry  :cry

Still, if Chomper did that and then got found, would they have let him die in retaliation or still rescued him and sent him off into the Mysterious Beyond, knowing he couldn't go back to the Great Valley?  

Title: Discuss: Escape from the Mysterious Beyond
Post by: fanciful_flyer on April 03, 2015, 01:17:35 PM
Kinda brings up a whole new thread possibility: "What do the Gang's parents think of all their adventures?" XD
But back to the episode - I liked this one too, because let's face it, most of the time we have no idea what these sharpteeth are saying. XD We have a pretty good idea, of course, but I've always been a big fan of subtitles, haha. I've always considered that the sharpteeth in the movies and series were talking (er, when they're not roaring in anger. It's all the same to them, maybe...), but in this episode it was great to know exactly what one of them was saying. Always cool, too, that Chomper is bilingual.   ;) Hmm, I wonder if he could teach the others how to speak a little Sharptooth...

And, like I mentioned in another thread, the ending with Thud deciding not to give Chomper and his friends away was nice. Kinda showed that sharpteeth, in spite of being driven by instinct, can still have morals and such. Added another dimension to their kind. :D
Title: Re: Discuss: Escape from the Mysterious Beyond
Post by: StardustSoldier on October 17, 2020, 12:15:55 AM
Lol, Thug. :p

Why would he give them a "second chance" just because they helped him, even though he's going to continue hunting them later. Unless maybe we'll see in a later episode that Thud has changed.
Indeed, we do see in his later appearances that Thud goes back to being an antagonistic hunter. Which I was a bit disappointed by, as I was hoping the events of this episode would've come into play later on, and maybe even started to change Thud for the better. Oh well, the thing with Thud here was still a nice touch. I guess ultimately he wasn't able or willing to give up his predator status, but he was feeling grateful and so he was like, "Alright, I'll let you go just this one time."

Why are Red Claw and the others after the gang? It's like they're after them for a reason other than eating them.
I didn't think of that before, but you're right. It really does seem like there's some sort of extra motive there, or a missing piece to the backstory, but we have no idea what it is. Weird.

This series gives more questions than answers.
Alas, yeah, it does. :(

Oh well. Having seen the entire TV series now, I can say that this is still my favourite episode. :yes