The Gang of Five

The Land Before Time => General Land Before Time => Topic started by: Bruton the Iguanodon on December 31, 2011, 11:25:20 PM

Title: Why does Grandma cry but never Grandpa?
Post by: Bruton the Iguanodon on December 31, 2011, 11:25:20 PM
In 10:

at 73:33

Tears rolling in bottom left corner

Again at 74:06 (You pprobably sawthis)

But why doesn't the Grandpa?

Also the Grandma did it in 2 of the early sequels

Also Bron never cries,  assume he has a heart of stone
Title: Why does Grandma cry but never Grandpa?
Post by: DarkHououmon on December 31, 2011, 11:28:44 PM
I don't think Bron has a "heart of stone". He's not a cruel character.

And anyway, the whole "why does Grandpa and Bron never cry" may have to do with the stereotype of "men don't cry". It's typically acceptable for women to cry, but not so much for men.
Title: Why does Grandma cry but never Grandpa?
Post by: Bruton the Iguanodon on December 31, 2011, 11:43:44 PM
Topps cries, when Tricia is born.  ;)

So that rules out your possibility. Which I'm glad about, I wouldn't want to see these films as sexist.
Anyways anyone else there?
Title: Why does Grandma cry but never Grandpa?
Post by: Bruton the Iguanodon on January 08, 2012, 01:15:35 AM
Anyways, anyone gonna respond?
Title: Why does Grandma cry but never Grandpa?
Post by: Bruton the Iguanodon on January 08, 2012, 02:47:56 AM
There are a lot of male characters who cry in the series: Littlefoot, Petrie, Chomper, heck even Cera's dad and Spime have. So how are these movie sexist? And why didn't Grandpa cry but Grandma did?
Title: Why does Grandma cry but never Grandpa?
Post by: jansenov on January 09, 2012, 05:44:29 AM
Grandpa Longneck is a character everybody looks up to. His status in Great Valley society is closer to that of a leader than the position of any other dinosaur. He is challenged by Topps sometimes, but then it becomes clear Topps is not up to the task. His wisdom and calmness makes him look like an unmoving tree in the storms of life, a tree everybody else can grab on. Grandpa crying would probably ruin that image somewhat, but to the movie maker's credit Grandpa is not actually shown as an incarnation of perfection, so the fact that he doesn't cry still doesn't make him too different from the other characters, at least in my opinion.
Title: Why does Grandma cry but never Grandpa?
Post by: Bruton the Iguanodon on January 09, 2012, 11:28:13 AM
So it has nothing to do with Grandma being a woman? Because in the 3rd scene I mentioned I always half expect Grandpa 2 cry but he doesn't but Grandma
Title: Why does Grandma cry but never Grandpa?
Post by: jansenov on January 11, 2012, 07:01:01 AM
Her being female probably did not have much to do with her crying. By the 1990s the concept of gender equality became deeply entrenched in almost all American (pertaining to both Americas) and European cultures. And as you may already know, animated movies always show the language and cultural attitudes of the era and geographical region they are made in. That's why Tom and Jerry smoke and Tom whistles after female cats in the early cartoons, for example, because such behaviour was widespread and normal in 1940s American society.

And that's why sexes are equal in LBT, a movie on which work started in 1986. This also true for the sequels, of course.
Title: Why does Grandma cry but never Grandpa?
Post by: Bruton the Iguanodon on January 11, 2012, 11:33:00 AM
So why is it Grandpa didn't cry?
Title: Why does Grandma cry but never Grandpa?
Post by: vonboy on January 11, 2012, 11:41:40 AM
Probably because he was the leader of the Great Valley, and he didn't want to show signs of weakness. He had to stay strong so the ones around him could see that and try to emulate it.
Title: Why does Grandma cry but never Grandpa?
Post by: Bruton the Iguanodon on January 11, 2012, 08:00:38 PM
Yeah, but on the occasions Grandma's cried (Well, besides this one, obivously)


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Grandpa's always been right there, and neither times were in a situation when he was confronting the great valley. If anything, Grandpa is the weak one while Grandma acts as the strong one during the scene in 5 that starts at around 34:14, and yet it's ok that she cries?!
Title: Why does Grandma cry but never Grandpa?
Post by: DarkHououmon on January 11, 2012, 08:31:23 PM
I wouldn't really say Grandpa Longneck is weak. Just because he doesn't cry doesn't mean that he's weak.
Title: Why does Grandma cry but never Grandpa?
Post by: LBTLover1 on January 11, 2012, 10:49:24 PM
I think it's just the basis on who gets emotional during situtations.  For example, men don't cry as much as girls do, so I'm guessing this is applying to real-world applications as well.  Grandpa doesn't cry as much as Grandma.  This doesn't say that he is weak, just that he is not as emotional.
Title: Why does Grandma cry but never Grandpa?
Post by: DarkHououmon on January 11, 2012, 10:52:09 PM
Actually the reason why men don't cry as much as women is not because they aren't as emotional; in fact men can be just as, or even more so, emotional than women. But they're taught that "tears are a sign of weakness", so they repress it to "look strong".
Title: Why does Grandma cry but never Grandpa?
Post by: LBTLover1 on January 11, 2012, 11:01:43 PM
You have now just stated my theory on Grandpa inaccurate.  After that, I really don't know why grandpa doesn't cry.  My last guess is that he follows vonboy's theory of showing lack of weekness.
Title: Why does Grandma cry but never Grandpa?
Post by: Bruton the Iguanodon on January 11, 2012, 11:38:28 PM
He seemed as sad as Grandma in 10, sadder in 5, so why?
Title: Why does Grandma cry but never Grandpa?
Post by: LBTLover1 on January 11, 2012, 11:40:49 PM
Everyone sees him as the leader since he is the mighty one of the herd.  If he sheds a tear, then it could potentially show a "stereotypical" sign of weakness, deeming his status of the Great Valley.
Title: Why does Grandma cry but never Grandpa?
Post by: Bruton the Iguanodon on January 11, 2012, 11:52:23 PM
We're just going in circles! I already argued against that:

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Yeah, but on the occasions Grandma's cried (Well, besides this one, obivously)


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Grandpa's always been right there, and neither times were in a situation when he was confronting the great valley.

Title: Why does Grandma cry but never Grandpa?
Post by: LBTLover1 on January 12, 2012, 12:16:15 AM
Then I really have nothing else to say since all my ideas have been argued against.  All I know is, Grandpa doesn't shed tears probably cause of stereotypical male.  Also, maybe the script didn't want to because it added some emotional benefits for the character.
Title: Why does Grandma cry but never Grandpa?
Post by: Bruton the Iguanodon on January 12, 2012, 12:37:34 AM
Well...then all I have to say is that Universal must be sexist, and don't care about giving Grandpa a good emotional moment..
Title: Why does Grandma cry but never Grandpa?
Post by: LBTLover1 on January 12, 2012, 12:46:14 AM
I wouldn't say that.  That's just an accusation.  All because Grandpa doesn't cry doesn't make Universal sexist.  If they wanted him to cry, they would have let him cry.  I just think it's because of his status or he was never given an emotional chance to do it.
Title: Why does Grandma cry but never Grandpa?
Post by: Bruton the Iguanodon on January 12, 2012, 12:53:09 AM
He was---both of the times Grandma cried (except in 4)

To be honest, I'm actually really glad Grandpa doesn't cry, but I just think it strange that given all the times Grandma has cried and he's seemed equally, if not more upset, he would too.
Title: Why does Grandma cry but never Grandpa?
Post by: LBTLover1 on January 12, 2012, 12:56:10 AM
Then you basically just contradicted your question.  If he was given then the chance, then he did cry.  So basically both did, just not at equal times, that's all.
Title: Why does Grandma cry but never Grandpa?
Post by: Bruton the Iguanodon on January 12, 2012, 01:02:08 AM
He was given the chance, but he didn't cry, was my point.
Title: Why does Grandma cry but never Grandpa?
Post by: LBTLover1 on January 12, 2012, 01:06:25 AM
Then the only thing left is that the writer didn't want him to.  So throughout all the times, he was given a chance.  The writers didn't want him to cry so they gave the actor a script saying not to.
Title: Why does Grandma cry but never Grandpa?
Post by: Bruton the Iguanodon on January 12, 2012, 01:11:28 AM
Or the artist something saying, "don't draw him crying"

But yes, I'm actually glad he doesn't cry, more like the fact that Grandma does makes her look weaker, which I don't like.
Title: Why does Grandma cry but never Grandpa?
Post by: LBTLover1 on January 12, 2012, 01:16:13 AM
But he isn't...all because he doesn't cry doesn't mean he is weak.

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Just because he doesn't cry doesn't mean that he's weak.
Title: Why does Grandma cry but never Grandpa?
Post by: Bruton the Iguanodon on January 12, 2012, 01:16:52 AM
No, what I meant to say is the fact that Grandma cries makes her look weaker.
Title: Why does Grandma cry but never Grandpa?
Post by: LBTLover1 on January 12, 2012, 01:18:02 AM
Oh, well she can't help that.  For peaks sake, her husband was dying (in the fourth movie).  If my spouse was dying, I would sure get emotional and probably teary eyed.
Title: Why does Grandma cry but never Grandpa?
Post by: Bruton the Iguanodon on January 12, 2012, 01:21:19 AM
Ok, ok, but Grandma got 2 other crying scenes afterwards.
Title: Why does Grandma cry but never Grandpa?
Post by: LBTLover1 on January 12, 2012, 01:24:17 AM
Well she thought her son was going to leave her and was releived when Littlefoot said otherwise (movie 10)  I would feel the same way if I thought my son would abandon me, then turns out, he's staying.

As for Bron, I don't think his heart is made out of stone.  He just isn't as emotional.  Besides, he only showed up twice in the LBT world.
Title: Why does Grandma cry but never Grandpa?
Post by: Bruton the Iguanodon on January 12, 2012, 01:40:06 AM
Okay. I just have one more comment to make. You accidentally made an error in your last post. I won't tell you what it is, so see if you can find it yourself. Good luck.   :lol
Title: Why does Grandma cry but never Grandpa?
Post by: LBTLover1 on January 12, 2012, 01:50:43 AM
What? Bron appearing twice in LBT?  Does he show up more.  I don't think so, so it has to be the one where Littlefoot's grandparents are crying when they found out their son is returning.  But I'm pretty sure that's accurate too.
Title: Why does Grandma cry but never Grandpa?
Post by: Bruton the Iguanodon on January 12, 2012, 01:51:49 AM
U did it again!!!  :lol It's right in front of you and you're not seeing it!!!  :lol
Title: Why does Grandma cry but never Grandpa?
Post by: LBTLover1 on January 12, 2012, 01:55:16 AM
:huh: I'm going to go with Bron appearing twice.  <_<
Title: Why does Grandma cry but never Grandpa?
Post by: Bruton the Iguanodon on January 12, 2012, 02:07:16 AM
Re-read every word you wrote carefully. Don't worry, you'll find it.
Title: Why does Grandma cry but never Grandpa?
Post by: LBTLover1 on January 12, 2012, 02:15:15 AM
Oh, misspelled relieve.  Just a simple typo.  I make those alot.  I don't really like feel that spelling counts on the forum.

Anyway, that was way off topic.  back to what I was saying, I don't remember her crying in the second movie.  When was that taken place?
Title: Why does Grandma cry but never Grandpa?
Post by: Bruton the Iguanodon on January 12, 2012, 02:20:27 AM
She didn't cry in the second movie. She doesn't cry until 4.

Title: Why does Grandma cry but never Grandpa?
Post by: LBTLover1 on January 12, 2012, 02:23:15 AM
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But why doesn't the Grandpa?

Also the Grandma did it in 2 of the early sequels

I mistaken in your post for when you said "did it in 2".  I thought you meant in movie 2.  So embarrassed.  :bolt
Title: Why does Grandma cry but never Grandpa?
Post by: Bruton the Iguanodon on January 12, 2012, 02:50:45 AM
Don't worry.  ;)
Title: Why does Grandma cry but never Grandpa?
Post by: Malte279 on January 12, 2012, 03:50:50 AM
There needn't be tear-shedding for a character to show strong emotion. A look at the LBT 6 scene in which Littlefoot (standing up against Cera's father) calls Doc something along the lines of best longneck ever Littlefoot's grandpa looks rather affected.
Title: Why does Grandma cry but never Grandpa?
Post by: Bruton the Iguanodon on January 12, 2012, 11:13:21 AM
I don't think Littlefoot intentionally meant to offend his Grandpa. He was just defending Doc, and I think it's nice that he admires Doc. Given Doc's mysteriousness and awesomeness, it's only natural that he would think of Doc as "the best longneck there ever was". What really pisses me off is that he says Doc is the only hero he ever met---huh? Has he completely forgotten about his mom? Oh, and Grandpa did save him from the quicksand in 2.
Title: Why does Grandma cry but never Grandpa?
Post by: Malte279 on January 12, 2012, 12:47:28 PM
I never meant to suggest that he was out to offend his grandparents (and certainly his statement in the heat of the moment was not made after careful consideration of his mother's fight with the sharptooth). I only brought it up as an example of a scene where grandpa, without sheeding tears, shows sadness.
Title: Why does Grandma cry but never Grandpa?
Post by: RainbowGirl 39 on December 22, 2012, 05:25:24 PM
it would be kinda weird if grandpa cried
Title: Why does Grandma cry but never Grandpa?
Post by: The Anonymous Person on December 22, 2012, 05:42:58 PM
Quote from: RainbowGirl 39,Dec 22 2012 on  04:25 PM
it would be kinda weird if grandpa cried
Agreed, considering this topic is quite pointless, as with his MANY other topics that he's posted.
Title: Why does Grandma cry but never Grandpa?
Post by: Bruton the Iguanodon on October 14, 2015, 07:32:28 PM
Quote from: LBTLover1,Jan 12 2012 on  12:24 AM


As for Bron, I don't think his heart is made out of stone.  He just isn't as emotional.  Besides, he only showed up twice in the LBT world.
But that's finally, at long last, about to change! :smile

I'm sorry, I just had to comment on that old reply in anticipation of JOTB!! :smile