The Gang of Five
The Land Before Time => General Land Before Time => Topic started by: Bruton the Iguanodon on December 31, 2011, 11:25:20 PM
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In 10:
at 73:33
Tears rolling in bottom left corner
Again at 74:06 (You pprobably sawthis)
But why doesn't the Grandpa?
Also the Grandma did it in 2 of the early sequels
Also Bron never cries, assume he has a heart of stone
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I don't think Bron has a "heart of stone". He's not a cruel character.
And anyway, the whole "why does Grandpa and Bron never cry" may have to do with the stereotype of "men don't cry". It's typically acceptable for women to cry, but not so much for men.
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Topps cries, when Tricia is born. ;)
So that rules out your possibility. Which I'm glad about, I wouldn't want to see these films as sexist.
Anyways anyone else there?
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Anyways, anyone gonna respond?
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There are a lot of male characters who cry in the series: Littlefoot, Petrie, Chomper, heck even Cera's dad and Spime have. So how are these movie sexist? And why didn't Grandpa cry but Grandma did?
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Grandpa Longneck is a character everybody looks up to. His status in Great Valley society is closer to that of a leader than the position of any other dinosaur. He is challenged by Topps sometimes, but then it becomes clear Topps is not up to the task. His wisdom and calmness makes him look like an unmoving tree in the storms of life, a tree everybody else can grab on. Grandpa crying would probably ruin that image somewhat, but to the movie maker's credit Grandpa is not actually shown as an incarnation of perfection, so the fact that he doesn't cry still doesn't make him too different from the other characters, at least in my opinion.
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So it has nothing to do with Grandma being a woman? Because in the 3rd scene I mentioned I always half expect Grandpa 2 cry but he doesn't but Grandma
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Her being female probably did not have much to do with her crying. By the 1990s the concept of gender equality became deeply entrenched in almost all American (pertaining to both Americas) and European cultures. And as you may already know, animated movies always show the language and cultural attitudes of the era and geographical region they are made in. That's why Tom and Jerry smoke and Tom whistles after female cats in the early cartoons, for example, because such behaviour was widespread and normal in 1940s American society.
And that's why sexes are equal in LBT, a movie on which work started in 1986. This also true for the sequels, of course.
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So why is it Grandpa didn't cry?
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Probably because he was the leader of the Great Valley, and he didn't want to show signs of weakness. He had to stay strong so the ones around him could see that and try to emulate it.
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Yeah, but on the occasions Grandma's cried (Well, besides this one, obivously)
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Grandpa's always been right there, and neither times were in a situation when he was confronting the great valley. If anything, Grandpa is the weak one while Grandma acts as the strong one during the scene in 5 that starts at around 34:14, and yet it's ok that she cries?!
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I wouldn't really say Grandpa Longneck is weak. Just because he doesn't cry doesn't mean that he's weak.
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I think it's just the basis on who gets emotional during situtations. For example, men don't cry as much as girls do, so I'm guessing this is applying to real-world applications as well. Grandpa doesn't cry as much as Grandma. This doesn't say that he is weak, just that he is not as emotional.
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Actually the reason why men don't cry as much as women is not because they aren't as emotional; in fact men can be just as, or even more so, emotional than women. But they're taught that "tears are a sign of weakness", so they repress it to "look strong".
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You have now just stated my theory on Grandpa inaccurate. After that, I really don't know why grandpa doesn't cry. My last guess is that he follows vonboy's theory of showing lack of weekness.
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He seemed as sad as Grandma in 10, sadder in 5, so why?
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Everyone sees him as the leader since he is the mighty one of the herd. If he sheds a tear, then it could potentially show a "stereotypical" sign of weakness, deeming his status of the Great Valley.
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We're just going in circles! I already argued against that:
Yeah, but on the occasions Grandma's cried (Well, besides this one, obivously)
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Grandpa's always been right there, and neither times were in a situation when he was confronting the great valley.
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Then I really have nothing else to say since all my ideas have been argued against. All I know is, Grandpa doesn't shed tears probably cause of stereotypical male. Also, maybe the script didn't want to because it added some emotional benefits for the character.
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Well...then all I have to say is that Universal must be sexist, and don't care about giving Grandpa a good emotional moment..
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I wouldn't say that. That's just an accusation. All because Grandpa doesn't cry doesn't make Universal sexist. If they wanted him to cry, they would have let him cry. I just think it's because of his status or he was never given an emotional chance to do it.
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He was---both of the times Grandma cried (except in 4)
To be honest, I'm actually really glad Grandpa doesn't cry, but I just think it strange that given all the times Grandma has cried and he's seemed equally, if not more upset, he would too.
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Then you basically just contradicted your question. If he was given then the chance, then he did cry. So basically both did, just not at equal times, that's all.
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He was given the chance, but he didn't cry, was my point.
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Then the only thing left is that the writer didn't want him to. So throughout all the times, he was given a chance. The writers didn't want him to cry so they gave the actor a script saying not to.
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Or the artist something saying, "don't draw him crying"
But yes, I'm actually glad he doesn't cry, more like the fact that Grandma does makes her look weaker, which I don't like.
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But he isn't...all because he doesn't cry doesn't mean he is weak.
Just because he doesn't cry doesn't mean that he's weak.
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No, what I meant to say is the fact that Grandma cries makes her look weaker.
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Oh, well she can't help that. For peaks sake, her husband was dying (in the fourth movie). If my spouse was dying, I would sure get emotional and probably teary eyed.
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Ok, ok, but Grandma got 2 other crying scenes afterwards.
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Well she thought her son was going to leave her and was releived when Littlefoot said otherwise (movie 10) I would feel the same way if I thought my son would abandon me, then turns out, he's staying.
As for Bron, I don't think his heart is made out of stone. He just isn't as emotional. Besides, he only showed up twice in the LBT world.
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Okay. I just have one more comment to make. You accidentally made an error in your last post. I won't tell you what it is, so see if you can find it yourself. Good luck. :lol
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What? Bron appearing twice in LBT? Does he show up more. I don't think so, so it has to be the one where Littlefoot's grandparents are crying when they found out their son is returning. But I'm pretty sure that's accurate too.
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U did it again!!! :lol It's right in front of you and you're not seeing it!!! :lol
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:huh: I'm going to go with Bron appearing twice. <_<
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Re-read every word you wrote carefully. Don't worry, you'll find it.
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Oh, misspelled relieve. Just a simple typo. I make those alot. I don't really like feel that spelling counts on the forum.
Anyway, that was way off topic. back to what I was saying, I don't remember her crying in the second movie. When was that taken place?
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She didn't cry in the second movie. She doesn't cry until 4.
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But why doesn't the Grandpa?
Also the Grandma did it in 2 of the early sequels
I mistaken in your post for when you said "did it in 2". I thought you meant in movie 2. So embarrassed. :bolt
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Don't worry. ;)
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There needn't be tear-shedding for a character to show strong emotion. A look at the LBT 6 scene in which Littlefoot (standing up against Cera's father) calls Doc something along the lines of best longneck ever Littlefoot's grandpa looks rather affected.
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I don't think Littlefoot intentionally meant to offend his Grandpa. He was just defending Doc, and I think it's nice that he admires Doc. Given Doc's mysteriousness and awesomeness, it's only natural that he would think of Doc as "the best longneck there ever was". What really pisses me off is that he says Doc is the only hero he ever met---huh? Has he completely forgotten about his mom? Oh, and Grandpa did save him from the quicksand in 2.
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I never meant to suggest that he was out to offend his grandparents (and certainly his statement in the heat of the moment was not made after careful consideration of his mother's fight with the sharptooth). I only brought it up as an example of a scene where grandpa, without sheeding tears, shows sadness.
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it would be kinda weird if grandpa cried
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it would be kinda weird if grandpa cried
Agreed, considering this topic is quite pointless, as with his MANY other topics that he's posted.
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As for Bron, I don't think his heart is made out of stone. He just isn't as emotional. Besides, he only showed up twice in the LBT world.
But that's finally, at long last, about to change! :smile
I'm sorry, I just had to comment on that old reply in anticipation of JOTB!! :smile