The Gang of Five
Beyond the Mysterious Beyond => The Fridge => Topic started by: WeirdRaptor on November 18, 2004, 05:36:07 AM
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The concept of the leaf-eaters being "the good guys" and the meat-eaters being "the bad guys" is a very stupid cliche, as meat-eaters cant help their diet.
I'd like to see a dinosaur movie with the predators in the spotlight. Who's with me?
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Like walking with dinosaurs? That's been done.. they don't take sides they just show what it could've been. I don't think that something like the LBT but with meat eatters would catch on.. since kids would probably start crying everytime "Littleteeth" (=p) ate some leaf-eater..
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I mean like "Raptor Red", a best-selling novel about a predator.
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The book Jrassic park. It far better then the tv film of it. ON the book the little girl the one that don't eat meat take a raptor in as a hatchling. can't remember much about it but that part really stick in my mind since the raptor shows the location the nest on the island and the US airstrike it killing all the raptors in that area.
-Threehorn
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Well, "Raptor Red" is actually a book that told froma raptor's point of view in the Jurassic Period.
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Someday I will read Raptor Red.... ;) I've wanted to for some reason (even though the carnivorous dinos aren't really much of an interest to me).
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I don't know why, but I'm not fascinated in raptors any more than in any other kind of dinosaur. Especially since Jurrassic Park most people seem to be especially fascinated with raptors. Probably its the same fascination that would make a cheetah more interesting to most of us than, say a hyenah. (sorry for the wrong spelling).
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Speaking of Jurrassic Park, they are making a third sequel to it. Yes, there will be a Jurrasic Park 4. :rolleyes:
Nick
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I know. It should be good if it an even be as good as "Jurassic Park 3", which was much, MUCH better than #2. I'm a "Jurassic Park" fan, if you haven't noticed. :D
Well, my point was is that leaf-eating dinos have had enough attention. I'd like to see a different kind of dinosaur movie. Told from a different point of view. That's all.
Carnivores have actually always been my favorite kind of animal, so don't be surprised that I'd want to see a dinosaur movie like that.
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^ I really thought the third one was horrible...too much action and killing...why not investigate more about the mystery of InGen while they were at the compound? :unsure: That would've made for a stronger plotline.
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Whatever. I don't know why they didn't. All I do know is that it was good enough to suit my tastes. Well, if you don't want to see #4, don't, is all I can tell you.
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I never saw the second Jurassic Park movie. I liked those which I saw, but they didn't enthuse me as much as many other movies. I can't pinpoint what it is that makes me not like them that much.
There is good music, the dinosaurs look great, usually they do tell a story...
Still it is more action than story, but I can't say for sure why I'm not a great fan of Jurassic Park.
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I thought Jurassic Park was a wicked film! The music was outstanding as well! True it relies more on action than a plot but I guess that's why I liked it.
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#3 was not as good as #2. Why bring back Sam Neill when he didn't even appear in #2? It made for some akward dialogue , that's for sure. I saw it, and it was mostly action, it didn't have the FEEL of the first film, or even the second film at its best moments.
Nick
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Okay, cool, but JP#3 is still my second favorite. Sam Neill is needed, or else it can't be a good "Jurassic Park" movie, as I have no love for #2.
Anyway, getting back on topic, another reason I want to see a theatrically released movie told from a predator's point of view, is because I'm tired of cute and cuddly leaf eating dinosaurs. I think its time the predatory dinos had their moment of being the leading characters. I know none of you agree in the slightest, but that's what I think.
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Well, I think that's because people identify with cute leafeaters better than T-rexs.
Nick
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But if they gave it a shot, people could and would relate to carnivorous dinosaurs just as well. The predators can't help their dietary needs, you know.
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Very true. But the last time a meateater was a protagonist was in "We're Back! A Dinosaur's Story, which was basically a LBT rip-off sent into modern-times.
Nick
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Universal is not going to make LBT a JP for kids....at least I hope not. :unsure:
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Actually, Nick, "We're Back" ws based off of a book that was written some years earlier.
Fine, Arvens, whatever, but let I ask you one thing. Do you have any pets with sharp teeth? If you do, do you love that pet any less because of its dietary needs? I think not. So, what's the difference with meat eating dinosaurs? The idea has potential and I will never be dissuaded from it.
I would like to see a movie told from a predator's eyes and have it take place back in the jurassic period.
No offense to anyone. I do realize that my typing style was intense for that last post.
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Erm...not meaning to take sides here but even if you DO own a carnivorous pet, there is a distinct difference between a wild one and a domesticated one. Primarily, domesticated carnivores would have lost their ability to hunt and therefore have a reduced chance of survival if it were to be slung out in the wild.
"We're back..." kinda seems to me to be Spielberg's own version of what maybe he wanted LBT to be like. Funnily enough, Kenneth Mars plays the bad-guy in that film (Professor Screw-Eye or something to that effect... :unsure: ) yet he does a wonderful job of portraying Grandpa Longneck in every LBT since #2! Strange turn of events there! LOL! In terms of the animation, I was amazed at the resemblence between Bluth's animation and Spielberg's company Amblin's animation. If I didn't know any better, I would have said that "We're Back" was a Bluth film. Thankfully it's not coz I didn't really like it...something was missing.
As for having a flick from a carnivorous dino's POV, I'd be all for it! It's kinda interesting to see how these dinos come across because by listening to their side of a story and not hearing the other, you immediately think that these are the GOOD guys! An interesting concept that would be hard to pull off I reckon but if done well, I think could be another hit film.
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We've had some Disney movies with carnivorous characters, yet it was always avoided to show their meals (except for a few insects). Lion King is the best example. I really like the movie, but the only lion whom we see with parts of a dead zebra is evil Scar.
If they include carnivore characters they usually do whatever they can to avoid showing their nature too distinctly. The question is wether or not the majority of people would like to see the details.
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Erm...not meaning to take sides here but even if you DO own a carnivorous pet, there is a distinct difference between a wild one and a domesticated one. Primarily, domesticated carnivores would have lost their ability to hunt and therefore have a reduced chance of survival if it were to be slung out in the wild.
Bingo, Jay, even cats and dogs, with wild carniverous ancestors are not going to go and eat you...maybe nip in annoyance every so often but they aren't out to get you. It doesn't make me feel any less of them, however, they are not natural carnivores that are going to go out and kill their own meal. Unless you work in a zoo, I don't any one of us can relate to that point WR...about how it can be different to carniverous dinos...because none of us really have had any interaction with truly carniverous animals. ;)
Malte's got a point there...especially for animated films, the violence is pretty toned down...excluding the Plague Dogs....they didn't tone that one down...
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Actually, all my pets still hunt. They've been domesticated, but they hunt.
My cats hunt mice in and out of the house all the time. My dogs hunt rabbits, rats, mice, deer, and skunks (and somehow always manage to catch them without being sprayed). So, they kill and eat all the types of animals that Disney would normally put in the spotlight as a lead character.
I have cat food and dag food that just sits around half the time, since I normally don't have to fill my pet's stomachs.
I still don't see any reason for a carnivorous dinosaur to not, at least, get a decent chance in the spotlight of an animated film. I was talking about a movie about a carnivorous dinosaur in its element. In the wild, not some modern future. I still can't believe that no one thinks the idea has merit.
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As for putting carnivores more in the spotlight in LBT, I think I do agree with you to a certain extend. I already mentioned elsewhere that we know next to nothing about Chomper and that all we know of him seems to make him just a most sensitive sould; not exactly like a carnivore.
The most important thing that has to be done however is to stop the tendency to let sharpteeth appear as stupid, mindless, and coward brutes that will trip if a dinosaur kids hurls a stone at a grownup representative of their kind. The sharpteeth in LBT 8 and 10 were really extremely poor and I sure hope that we will see better sharpteeth again. Not loveable, but respect inspiring.
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The most important thing that has to be done however is to stop the tendency to let sharpteeth appear as stupid, mindless, and coward brutes that will trip if a dinosaur kids hurls a stone at a grownup representative of their kind. The sharpteeth in LBT 8 and 10 were really extremely poor and I sure hope that we will see better sharpteeth again. Not loveable, but respect inspiring.
This has been the main reason why I've despised many of the sequels because of that right there. :angry: LBT 1 had the Sharpooth actually being nimble and fearless...if they really want to be realistic...the sharpteeth actually were smarter than some of the plant eaters. :blink:
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Okay, okay, fine, everyone. Be that way. Just remember, we didn't get movies like "The Lord of the Rings" or "Star Wars" if Hollywood wasn't willing to try something new. And making a theaterically released movie with carnivores in the center of the attention would be something new and interesting.
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Okay, okay, fine, everyone. Be that way.
Now please tell me Weird Raptor, what on earth did we make wrong that would justify you being annoyed of us? Please tell me. We didn't even disagree with you. What's the problem?
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I thought you were disagreeing. Never mind. My mind must have been wondering. Sorry.
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But in case we had been disagreeing, would that have been reason enough to be pissed of so long nobody writes anything offensive?
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I make no excuse for myself.
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So what you're looking for Drew, is originality, a fresh look at things. Good thought, but what carnivore could make a good lead character?
Nick
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The only dinosaur carnivore film that I can see where it might work is if they make something with Raptor Red...those that have read the book will know it's from the carnivore's perspective, but it might only attract those who have read the book in the end. :unsure: Anonymous Rex would be an interesting thing if they made that into a film (probably would be rated R though if not X if they stick to book content :blink: ).
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Actually, there's an adaptation of "Anonymous Rex" on the Sci-Fi. I saw it just a few nights ago. It stunk.
Yeah, "Raptor Red" would probably be the only one that would work. I've been waiting seven years thus far to see a film about that.
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Hmm...didn't realize someone had already done something for Anonymous Rex...guess I'm not missing anything though. :(
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I have no intention of watching the show. It just doesn't appeal to me.
Nick
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Fanfiction got some sweet dinosaur stories up in the JP one in Movies.
http://www.fanfiction.net (http://www.fanfiction.net)
-Threehorn
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Yes, they are quite good.
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Is anybody working on a fanfiction right now?
Nick
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I am working with a story which is titled "Old Threehorns". But it is no land before time story in which carnivores play a large role. In fact they are only mentioned in the prologue.