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I was looking something up on wikipedia and saw there an article under news about a discovery of a dinosaur that was not known before.  It's similar in build to the Velociraptor called at Balaur.  The Wikipedia article is at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balaur_(dinosaur)  

There are some other web sites that talk about it.  

Wired
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/tag/balaur-bondoc/

& Discover
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocke...omanian-cousin/


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Well, if they make A Land Before XIV, now they have a new sharptooth or antagonist. :lol


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Interesting.  
Thank you for the links Kor.

(Pangaea might be most interested in this.:) )


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I wonder if the double sickle claw would have been more of a hindrance than an asset to attacking prey. There was a show I watched that talked about movie monsters and the guy talked about how the killer shrews from that movie couldn't bite into prey that well with double canines. Well they could, but they wouldn't be able to pull their teeth out; they'd be stuck and it would take more effort to free them. He demonstrated this using knives. I wonder if the same thing would apply to this dinosaur and its double sickle claws. Of course it may be possible the claws were used for climbing. There is that theory that dromaeosaurid sickle claws were more useful for climbing than slashing or stabbing.


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It would be interesting to know if it used those claws to hunt, for other reasons, or multiple reasons.  It's interesting how new species keep being discovered from time to time.


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Quote from: Saft,Sep 1 2010 on  04:01 PM
Interesting.
Thank you for the links Kor.

(Pangaea might be most interested in this.:) )
You are absolutely right, Saft!

Surprisingly enough, I hadn't heard of this dinosaur until I saw this post. Thank you very much, Kor! :)

A stocky, island-dwelling dromaeosaur with a reduced third finger and a dewclaw that evolved into a second sickle claw…this is REALLY interesting! :wow At first when I saw the Wikipedia link, I thought, "Oh, it's just another new generic dromaeosaur that's making the news because it's related to Velociraptor", then I started reading more and found out just how wrong I was!

I can hardly call myself an expert in dromaeosaur biomechanics, but I'm a little iffy about the statement that because its hands were atrophied, it probably mostly used its feet to attack prey. Only the third claw looks atrophied to me; the others still look pretty well-developed. The extra sickle claw is really strange, though.

Quote from: DarkHououmon,Sep 1 2010 on  06:02 PM
I wonder if the double sickle claw would have been more of a hindrance than an asset to attacking prey. There was a show I watched that talked about movie monsters and the guy talked about how the killer shrews from that movie couldn't bite into prey that well with double canines. Well they could, but they wouldn't be able to pull their teeth out; they'd be stuck and it would take more effort to free them. He demonstrated this using knives.
I saw that show too, but I noticed that the guy didn't demonstrate how much easier a single knife could be pulled out compared to a double knife. He didn't pull the single knife out onscreen. Plus, he was demonstrating on a watermelon; I don't know how accurate an analogue that is for the skin and flesh of an animal. And I've seen illustrations of certain predatory therapsids (so-called "mammal-like reptiles")ósuch as Trochsaurus and Lycosuchusóthat actually do depict them as having double saber teeth of a sort (though how exactly they used them is anybody's guess).

Obviously Balaur’s extra sickle claw served some important purpose. Climbing IS a possibility, but why then would it lose one of the claws on its hands, and gain a functional claw on its feet, when the smaller, earlier dromaeosaurs like Microraptor that were definitely climbers apparently got along just fine with three hand claws and three foot claws, including a single sickle claw? Furthermore, if Balaur was, as the article suggests, one of the dominant predators in its environment, would it have much reason to climb? I’m still clueless about the reason for its odd claws, but from what the article suggest, it seems to me that it would be more of a ground predator.

I’ve long been interested in island-dwelling animals and how they differ from their mainland cousins. Interestingly, there were several other Mesozoic examples that lived at about the same time and in the same part of the world as Balaur, including Magyarosaurus, a miniature sauropod that was only as tall as a horse; Hatzegopteryx, the largest known pterosaur; and Tethyshadros, a hadrosaur with toothlike serrations on its beak that was specialized for running (possibly from creatures like Balaur).



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That's odd. When I watched the show, he did pull the single knife out of the watermelon on screen, and when he attempted to do the same with the double knife, it wouldn't come out as easily.


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^ Really? Weird. Either my memory is worse than I thought, or the version I saw had something cut from it. :confused



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I do wonder why it had the 2 claws instead of the 1, on each foot.  If that could serve a useful function somehow.


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Quote from: Pangaea,Sep 2 2010 on  01:29 AM
^ Really? Weird. Either my memory is worse than I thought, or the version I saw had something cut from it. :confused
It might be me who is remembering wrong. I'd have to try to look up clips from the show and see if I am able to find that one scene.

As for the double sickleclaw, I still think climbing is a possibility, or perhaps to allow it to hold onto larger prey more easily, if large prey existed alongside the animal. Until they do an experiment that showed the double sickleclaws could be used as lethal weapons, I won't believe that the double sickleclaw on each foot would have beneficial as a weapon.

I have heard something about some people looking at the claws of animals and what functions they serve, and they found the longer, more tapered the claw, the better at climbing they are. This serves as a hint as to what dromaeosaurid claws were probably for. Climbing, not up trees though but probably on top of large game that they hunted. Their sickleclaws would have provided great footholds to keep the animal from knocking them off.

Double sickleclaws in each foot may have increased this foothold and made it even harder for the animal to knock them off. Of course this is provided there were large herbivores living with this raptor.

Another possibility I think is that the raptor is simply suffering the effects of a bizarre mutation. Of course this possibility decreases if they find more specimens like this one. But I still think it may be a plausible explanation for why this raptor has a reduced third finger and a dewclaw-turn-sickleclaw.


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On another place I go to 2 different folks posted a link and news of new dinosaur species being discovered, one being named in homage after the LOTR villian.  The other one was discovered due to a fossil being found decades ago.  

Carniverous: Sauroniops Pachytholus - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/08/s..._n_2088637.html

Horned Dinosaur:  Xenoceratops foremostensis - http://www.geekosystem.com/tag/canadian-jo...earth-sciences/


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Hello:
 Those links were very interesting, thanks for sharing them! :DD . and not just of one kind! so your three links could provide not only lots of useful info, but maybe even extra inspiration for members og GoF for LBT stories or rpgs :wow .... well, that would be nice, right? :smile .


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Indeed, and interested, maybe, for folks interested in dinosaurs in general.  

Another forum had a user list links to more dinosaurs discovered in this year.  

a tyranosaurus type [Yutyrannus]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yutyrannus

& 2 pterosaurs: [1 in Spain] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europejara

China : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moganopterus


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Quote from: Kor,Nov 12 2012 on  09:58 PM
a tyranosaurus type [Yutyrannus]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yutyrannus
That one's a particularly exciting discovery because it's the largest dinosaur discovered to date confirmed to have feathers. I made a post about it several months ago.

The Spanish pterosaur, Europejara, sounds like a pretty major find, too, seeing as it's apparently the first of its kind to be discovered outside South America.



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Both, and the others, are interesting dinosaur discoveries.  Interesting that terosaurs came in so many types and that some large dinosaurs had feathers and some large ones may not. I think feathers were a recentish discovery I think.