The Gang of Five
The Land Before Time => General Land Before Time => Topic started by: Kor on September 16, 2008, 04:26:19 AM
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I thought of doing this topic, a sorta non serious one. It's basically what if the various animation and other mistakes in the movies and maybe tv series are true and not mistakes.
Like we know from the 4th movie Ali can travel long distances very quickly and apparently take some others with her.
and the 10th movie that Shorty is immune to damage from being stepped on, even by something as large as a full grown T-rex.
as seen in the 11th movie Skitter seems mainly undamaged by something falling on him.
As seen in The Starday Celebration episode at least some sweet bubble vines can regrow the sweetbubbles a few seconds after the sweet bubbles on them are eaten.
and as seen in The Great Log Running Game song So Mad there are some yellowish treesweets that will vanish if a domehead is not near them.
:lol
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xD :lol You know, I thought of a couple of those myself, Kor.. ;) Mainly about the sweet bubbles thing, and after looking at a Caption This thread, the Shorty super-armor thing... :p And I finally got the gist of the Ali "fast travel" thing... :p The sky should have been dark by the time she made it back, shouldn't it have? :p ...LOL! xD :lol
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and it should have taken more then a few minutes for her to get to the Great Valley get the rest of the gang, and more then 6 minutes or so to get back to the cave in. & the night flowers should have been wilted by the time they arrived.
And as seen in the first movie Ducky can stretch our her neck and to an extent her tail, though her tail is harder to do and she can only do it a few seconds.
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Or how about the bubbling mud in LBT 6?
Not only can Ducky, Cera, Dinah, and Dana stand on those bubbles without making them pop, but being enclosed in the bubble apparently enabled Cera to "fly" :lol
The tsunami in LBT 5 was rolling from the coast towards the open sea which is a "rather unusual" thing for any kind of wave to do.
I don't really know if this one fits into this section, but did you realize how inconsistent Ducky and Spike are when it comes to acrophobia? I name just the most significant examples, but there are more throughout the whole series. In LBT 2 and 5 Spike is walking across logs lying across deep chasms with an almost dreamlike sureness (he actually walks with his eyes closed in LBT 5. In LBT 2 he doesn't hesitate to leap across the chasm during the pursuit of the eggeaters. However in LBT 6 he is extremely fearful of leaping across the rocky pillars. In the same movie Ducky has no problem at all to leap across the rocky pillars (she is the one to have the idea and the first one to leap) but she is terrified at the (much less scary) task of walking across the log lying across that ravine later on.
Another thing which may or may not fit into this section are some cases of coloring. I suppose the turning red of everything in case of danger (whether we like it or not) is something that can easily be interpreted as a mere effect that has not too much to do with the real colors. However, why is it that since LBT 8 (and to an extreme extend in LBT 13) we got to see deep green skies again and again? Or green lava in LBT 7? What to make of that? A greet percentage of oxidizing copper in the air and the lava or what? :lol
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I either forgot or didn't notice. I do wonder what was up with that. Those bubbling mud bubbles must be pretty strong. :lol
Maybe Ducky has 2 personalities that are almost identical, except for a few differences, maybe Spike is the same. :lol
I'm not sure what the green skies and lava mean, maybe it's like you suggested. :lol
The coloring everything red could be as you said a sign of danger, or it could mean a lot of iron is being oxidized. :lol
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OMG, you guys are too much! :lol Seriously though, such things do keep me guessing! :P:
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These are good so far, y'all :lol!
I've also noticed Ducky can pelt others with snowballs by using just one arm and can toss a vine out quite far with one arm, yet seems to need both arms to throw rocks about the size of pebbles :blink:.
Another thing I noticed in LBT XI is Ducky can run really fast from fastbiters. Fast pair of little legs she's got there, eh :p?
How is it that in LBT V Cera got stuck in the log but Spike did not :blink:? She's smaller than him, after all.
Maybe Ducky has 2 personalities that are almost identical, except for a few differences
She is shown to have a double-sided personality just like all other mortal beings. Perhaps being acrophobic is part of her dark side :p.
I'll think of more as time goes by :lol:.
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How is it that in LBT V Cera got stuck in the log but Spike did not blink.gif? She's smaller than him, after all.
LBT VI gives another scene about this. Littlefoot (whose body I think is a bit more massive than Cera's) does not have the slightest problem to climb out of the log after it is hurled across the ravine. Cera however almost gets stuck, and Spike is the one to really get stuck.
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I"ll have to keep the lookout for those next time I watch lbt. It does seem odd that a smaller character gets stuck and a larger one does not.
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:lol
I saw LBT 6 today, and I noticed "some" of those parts.
Especially the bubbles detail.
Pretty funny when Petrie busts the bubble where Cera is and she falls.
Are you up for a diving? :p
(http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo344/Vaan360/Semttulo-2.jpg)
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Now THAT one could be used for the "Caption This" section :lol
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Funny scene and it looks like it could be indeed.
It looks like maybe at least 1 Quetzalcoatlus can shrink his passengers a bit so they fit, increase his own size, and is able to carry quite a bit of weight.
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Also, binoculars have been invented already. See the VHS cover of LBT IV.
And in "How do You Know?" Cera shows that she's able to wiggle her ears.
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And in "How do You Know?" Cera shows that she's able to wiggle her ears.
That is a cute scene, but it goes against the fact that dinosaurs only had holes for ears :blink:.
What also gets me is how Mr. Threehorn could not move the boulder by himself in "The Great Logrunning Game" ep without the help of Littlefoot and Spike :huh:.
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In LBT V, look very carefully at a moment of the scene where Chomper's Dad is biting the foreign sharptooth. The other sharptooth's head is a strange colour, and Chomper's dad's jaws seem to be twisted at an impossible angle.
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I"ll have to remember to look at that the next time I watch lbt 5. I guess that is either an animation mistake, or the foreign sharptooth can change his color, and Chomper's father may have the power to have an extra flexible jaw.
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something you might have noticed: littlefoot uses the term >Gee<, not often but often enough to be kind of a signature phrase.
this >Gee<, i think, is derived from >Geez<, (help me, native speakers) which is short for >Jesus<, someone once told me. and well...i mean...what the heck? i don't know, what to say about it. it is obviously impossible for littlefoot to know of the son of god. is it?
any ideas about it?
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I doubt it is meant in that context. Most folks likely do not know the word geez means that and use gee and geez as declarations of surprise. Similar to using gosh, or the fawcet Captain Marvel using Holy Molly, The pre-crises Parry White using Great Caesar's Ghost (the 90's live action series using Great Shades of Elvis)
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But Shinji-Lee is still correct. Assuming the dinosaurs' language has evolved in a way similar to ours, they must either have had a similar famous figure who had a similar name to Jesus, or it must have come from somewhere else.
On an entirely unrelated note, Elsie has the ability to retract her head-fin for less than a sixteenth of a second (it was missing for a single frame).
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That is likely a case of the writers putting in expressions and not doing research to find out what they mean. Likely one of the script writers liked the word gee, and geez. Maybe they used it a lot themselves and / or had a relative or friend who used it and did not know what it meant.
There has been no hints, so far, of any christ like figure in lbt as far as I know. I guess if some want to they could say that there was a christ like figure far far away, maybe many thousands of miles away, and the expression gee and geez made it to the area where lbt happens but the religion did not for some reason.
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I don't know if anyone has noticed this before, but ever since LBT XI, Fast Biters (Velociraptors or Deinonychus) have two clawed hands, while they're supposed to have three claws on each hand. Same thing with XII's Spinosaurus.
Speaking of claws, in LBT II, chomper has two fingers, while in V he begins to have three fingers.
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I didn't notice that about the fast biters, but I don't have any movie past 11 so would not see those.
I did notice that about Chomper, when I was getting some screenshots of him for lbt wiki, but I never did before. Guess they are saying he grew an extra finger on each hand between 2 and 5.
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Figuring out the exact connotation of such exclamations as gee, geez, golly, sounds, heavens etc. is one of the more difficult tasks for the non-native speaker as even for a native (no matter the language) it would be almost impossible with the means of our languages to describe such exclamation's connotations. Also much depends on how something is said. Is there any religious connotation to the "golly" (used by the Dink character Shilah (if that's her spelling) quite frequently) at all? And is the "Sounds!" frequently used? I only ever heard / read it in western stories written by a man who never ever even saw America.
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True. One would have to do research into the origin of a word to find out and most have no interest in doing such. Most just use words as the common usage is for them, golly, gee whiz, ect for exclamations of surprise, and others for their common usage. I forgot the name, but there are some who do study the origin of words as part of their profession, most do not.
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i kind of like etymology and i will try mah best to find out about some of those words.
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i found:
gee: exclamation of surprise, 1895, euphemistic for Jesus. Form gee whiz is attested from 1885.
gosh: 1757, altered pronunciation of God. Probably from by gosse (mid-16c.).
golly: euphemism for God, first recorded 1775, in a source that refers to it as "a sort of jolly kind of oath, or asseveration much in use among our carters, & the lowest people."
(found an online etymology dictionary)
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Quite a bit of research you did. The origins of words can be very interesting.
Though I doubt the scriptwiters meant anything religious in using those words.
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definitely.
the actual religious connotation of the terms certainly vanished during the ages of daily use.
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You know what else is odd: the sudden appearance of the pink-colored females. While I'm not opposed to it, I think that it is a little stereotypical. The list of them:
-Sue
-Tria
-Tricia
-Ruby
-Ruby's mother
-That pink yellow-bellied creature in the 13th movie
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definitely.
the actual religious connotation of the terms certainly vanished during the ages of daily use.
Very likely. It can be interesting to see what the origins of words are from time to time. Though some folks make that their main profession, studying the origin of words in various languages, and such..
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i just notice something...watching >the lonely journy>.
i might be wrong: are they celebrating the time of the great giving? from movie 3?
how does tria know and be able to tell about it? she wasn't there, if i remember correctly.
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They May be calibrating it. I don't recall if they ever say what they are celebrating.
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>this will be chompers first time of great giving<
>...everyone learned a lesson about caring for one another...<
this was, what grandma longneck said, which made me think, she means the happenings from movie 3
>and now we celebrate being able to share with each other<
this was, what tria said, which made me think, she knows about these happenings.
am i concluding wrong or is there something?
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All that I can guess is she may have been told about it offscreen or at some point before the episode started. Either that or some folks messed up and it wasn't caught, or they just don't care about continuity.
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Something I always wondered in regards to the song "Friends for Dinner": How in the world does the Gang know what soup, stew, pot pie, and even a la mode are :blink: :huh:?
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Or liver for that manner. The ooc reason is in songs they use non lbt words since I guess it is easier to get rhymes instead of having to redo the song idea to fit in using lbt terms, which I would prefer.
For the IC reason you could, maybe, assume the male rainbowface talked about that offscreen when the camera was not on him or the gang, and the female didn't hush him up, or was away from him and could not, or the gang heard them talking to each other when they didn't think anyone was nearby. Though how Icky knew how to use the words cold and july, unless they met the strange rainbowfaces too, or overheard them talking.
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There are more such cases. For example the rainbowfaces don't seem to assume Littlefoot to know the word "species" (indeed the characters usually refer to it as "kind" or "sorts") while in the song Eggs Ozzy uses so scientific a name as "Struthiomimus".
Apart from the words "cold" (which LBT dinosaurs might arguably know) and July (no way they would know about a specific part of the year to be named after a Roman family in many million years) Ichty mentions the term "bed", "bag", and "sock" in that song and none of these items are likely to be known by any dinosaurs. I suppose that some of the songs are just to be seen apart from the canon of the usual dialogue.
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Likely easier to use some words used in modern language instead of making the song writers stick only to words and terms that would be used in LBT, but it would lead to songs that fit in better I think.
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Ah, I remember the first Land Before abnormality I ever noticed, and it might possibly be the very first one. You guys remember how odd it was how fast Spike grew up in like, I dunno, around fifteen seconds? I mean, Ducky gets flung about thirty feet away from the others, then finds an egg that is barely larger than she is. Inside we find the quiet, baby spiketail, who manages to increase in size by at least five times- in less than a day? He ends up being about Cera's size from recently hatching and the other four either didn't notice or they just didn't find that unusual. Well I did. I understand that Spike's size was for the flow of the movie. I mean, if they hadn't all stood on the now big Spike, they probably wouldn't have reached the leaves on top of that tree. And it would have been awkward for Ducky to ride on someone the same size as her. And Spike wouldn't have been able to help push that bolder on that sharptooth if he was still a little guy. So I his size was important, but that unproportionate growth was, well, a bit out of the ordinary. Since Spike was best at his final size, it might have been more realistic if perhaps Ducky had found him sleeping in the middle of nowhere quite some time after he was born. Then this oddity could have been prevented. But hey, if all Land Before Time films and episodes were perfect, there wouldn't be as much to talk about, would there?
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I agree, Ducky finding him sleeping at his larger size would make more sense. I guess it has to be either chalked up to being a continuity mistake, a change in character concept but they didn't go back to change the earlier animation for 1 of a number of reasons, or the odder one, Spike can grow a bit larger at will, but can't control it.
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I also noticed in The Land Before Time III: The Time of the Great Giving, Littlefoot exclaimed how hungry he was, ate two leaves, and was satisfied. The satisfied part was proven when he stopped eating and said "That sure was good." I have never heard that expression from a child when he/she still wanted more food. I can maybe see Petrie or Ducky satisfied from that kind of meal, but I'm pretty sure that a dinosaur Littlefoot's size could eat more than a full grown human. Logically, stress from unfortunate incidents in one's invironment can lead to temporary eating disorders, things like being hungry then quickly being full. Which means, eather the creaters greatly underestimated the capactity of his stomach, didn't have the time ton show him eating a full meal, or it seems they are hiding stress related stomach abnormalities on a show aimed at children
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I assume it was meant to be compressed time. But one could also take it to be other things as well, including eating disorders, at that age his stomach is smaller then it should be ect.
Some of the characters seeming to have powers reminds me of the new mutants/-men sort of thing.
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I suppose this one really comes down to how long the audience would have remained happy while just watching Littlefoot eating. Had they even spend a mere minute (which still if an extremely short time even for a snack) showing nothing but Littlefoot eating the audience would have grown been bored. Many trivial things are left out (not just in LBT but in storytelling in general) when they are too trivial to be of interest to the audience and don't have any major significance to the story. I'd have to check out to make sure, but I think there may even be LBT sequels where we never actually see one of the major characters eat at all.
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Good point. It would be boring to just watch him eat for a while but the way it shows him from start to finish with two leaves is still a bit unreal. Based on your opinion, I think I know how Littlefoot could have eaten a lot and still have taken mere seconds of screen time. What if it showed him start eating then the screen faded away and showed something with action, like the others playing, then it can zoom back to him right as he's done, and the in-between shot shows that some time had gone by, enough for him to have a meal, not a bite ot two? Or perhaps is that still too much focus on such an issue?
I'd have to check out to make sure, but I think there may even be LBT sequels where we never actually see one of the major characters eat at all.
If some movies and parts don't show them eating, then that would be better than this, because we could at least safely assume that they actually ate properly. But they should be more creative in time saving than giving a young longneck a meal fit for a young big mouth/swimmer.
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Maybe the director thought that was the better way to do it.
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What if it showed him start eating then the screen faded away and showed something with action, like the others playing, then it can zoom back to him right as he's done, and the in-between shot shows that some time had gone by, enough for him to have a meal, not a bite ot two? Or perhaps is that still too much focus on such an issue?
I suppose it would have been. While more realistic, it would have drawn attention first to the playing characters and then back to eating Littlefoot. In doing so it would have been very likely to confuse the audience. There have been such fading out scenes in LBT, but usually they signify an important change of time, place, or issue to be dealt with. For the sake of realism (in a movie about talking dinosaurs ;)) it probably deemed the producers proper to do it just the way they did. Personally I consider it no major blunder. There are cases where logic and realism are hurt in a much worse manner in LBT. In this case it is relatively easy to just go with the message "he has eaten his fill" without counting the treestars.
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I guess it's different styles.