The Gang of Five
The Land Before Time => General Land Before Time => Topic started by: Achillobator on November 06, 2007, 11:24:54 PM
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I just finished watching it and I must say, one of the best of the newer sequels I have seen! I am not sure why, I just liked it a lot. The only thing that bothered me though was that "Big Daddy" Character. He's just..creepy! I ended up saying near the end of the film "What is wrong with his skeletal structure?!" His face is weird and is voice is awkward. They probably should have really thought that character out better.
or maybe they thought him out pretty well. What do you guys think?
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NOTE OF WARNING: This film has been criticized around here for overdoing the "morals." You've watched the movie; you know what I'm talking about. It's almost certain that you will meet disagreement on this issue. Even I have to admit that it's not one of my more favorite sequels. It really overdid the 'kiddieness' for me.
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NOTE OF WARNING: This film has been criticized around here for overdoing the "morals." You've watched the movie; you know what I'm talking about. It's almost certain that you will meet disagreement on this issue. Even I have to admit that it's not one of my more favorite sequels. It really overdid the 'kiddieness' for me.
Well, yeah. But I guess you have to have a strong inner child to enjoy it :p There were parts I was just giggling at.
but eww! Big Daddy is weird D:
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I really liked it, too, but we LBT fans don't make "normal" teenagers. :p I naturally like all of the LBT movies, most likely because of that inner child you mentioned. Just some a little bit more than others.
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I am looking forward to seeing this movie. I think it is combined on a dvd with the move previous to it, or another one?
Funny signature Achillobator :lol
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I am looking forward to seeing this movie. I think it is combined on a dvd with the move previous to it, or another one?
I believe you are referring to the 2 Tales of Discovery and Friendship (http://www.amazon.com/Land-Before-Time-Discovery-Friendship/dp/B000GIXINC/ref=sr_1_1/102-6207575-5940910?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1185637084&sr=1-1) Double Feature set, which includes LBT 10 and 11.
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Thanks. To bad they don't number them. It's hard to find them and know which movies are on which. I wonder what they'll call 12 and 13 when they are combined.
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I must say with utmost confidence that LBT 11 was my least favorite sequel. I don't know why, but it just bothered me. All the songs were pretty bad (which is unusual) and Littlefoot's voice wasn't too good either. They should have stuck with Thomas Dekker (LBT 9). And the gang never left the valley at all. It was pretty boring I think. It was like a normal day in the valley with a slight disturbance. It was a story we never needed to hear really except to introduce a new character (Tria). The tinysaurces couldn't have been drawn better though and the animation was of much higher quality than in sequels 7, 8, and 10. This sequel made me hate Cera's dad even more and the introduction of Tria was a little odd. I would have pictured that differently. Again, Cera's dad made her cry, which isn't something I like to see. The song "Girls and dads" wasn't very good. I mean, I can see singing, but dancing dinos in the background? Not something I'd like to see again. Reminds me of the Lion King (which I didn't like much). In conclusion, I didn't like this sequal very much. It really had nothing that appealed to me. The entire structure was horrible. Littlefoot is not a greedy character, nor is he so gullible that he'd take everything Cera says for the truth. He would have never tried to steal a tree sweet. He's the one with high morals, perhaps the most moral of the gang (though most of them are pretty moral). He has a really hard time lying and he likes to let his grandparents know everything. He's smart enough to see that Cera was just trying to make him feel bad because she was made to look like a fool in front of the gang. The whole base of the story was weak, and that's what made it so bad in my opinion. I have no problems with the story being entirely "moral based", but if they don't even bother to make it believable, hire good voice actors, spend much time developing the story, and write good songs, then the story is bad, which is exactly what happened with LBT 11. They did a much better with LBT 12 and all the other sequels in my opinion. It's not that I don't have a strong "Inner child", but I'm not a little kid and I can tell the difference between a rushed movie that doesn't have a lot of thought put into it and a movie that's quality packed (all the other sequals).
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What's wrong with the moral of not lying? Lying is bad.
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I really wasn't bothered by it that much, but those who prefer a more "hardcore" experience may feel otherwise. It made the movie real childish, something I'm willing to tolerate, because it is, after all, a children's series.
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I just don't think they should have changed Littlefoot's character like that. Reminds me of Ducky in "the search for the sky colored stones". Just not his character to act like that, which makes in less enjoyable for me.
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Yeah, Ducky was scary...like a women possessed! D:
Anyways, I can see where you're coming from. Maybe I just enjoyed it because it was so bad that I just HAD to laugh at it :p But yeah, I guess you're right...
...SO NO ONE ELSE WAS BOTHERED BY BIG DADDY?! D:
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...SO NO ONE ELSE WAS BOTHERED BY BIG DADDY?! D:
No. :p Not me, anyway.
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...SO NO ONE ELSE WAS BOTHERED BY BIG DADDY?! D:
No. :p Not me, anyway.
But like...he looked so ugly and his voice was soo weird! D:
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...SO NO ONE ELSE WAS BOTHERED BY BIG DADDY?! D:
::raises hand:: Ummm...I was... ^^;
And about Littlefoot's change in character, I didn't really notice. He seemed fine to me.
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...SO NO ONE ELSE WAS BOTHERED BY BIG DADDY?! D:
::raises hand:: Ummm...I was... ^^;
GAH, not you, too! :lol
A better question would be 'was I the only one not bothered?'. :lol
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Pretty much, one of the only parts I liked in that movie was the followed dialogue exchanges:
“AAAAAH!” – Mr. Threehorn
“What was that?” – Grandma Longneck
“Eh…Mr. Threehorn again.” – Grandpa Longneck
“But what’s wrong?” – Grandma Longneck
“I don’t know, but I’m sure he’ll tell us…” – Grandpa Longneck
“Cera? Are you awake?…Look, I’m…I-I-I-I don’t…I…um, it’s just that…oh, this is so much harder than yelling…look. Tria is an old friend, and she doesn’t have anyone. She needs protection. And she’s really nice, and she…well, she likes me. And I like her.” – Mr. Threehorn
“But I want things back the way they were before! When you didn’t like anybody and nobody liked you!” – Cera
“I don’t think things are ever going to be that way again.” – Mr. Threehorn
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I agree that big daddy was really weird. Not someone I'd like to ever see in another LBT sequel or a tv ep.
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If it's like usual the tiny sauruses may appear in an episode very season or so, but as far the movies they'll have to move to the great limbo valley that every new movie char, except for Chomper (who escaped once) and maybe 1-2 others, I've not seen any past 10, have to move to once their movie is over.
As for changing characters it is annoying. They need a character to act a certain way to teach a lesson. Why not pick one that is closer to what they want. In the sky color stones it would fit Cera a bit better they Ducky to be like that. Or have a pre made char like someone from the movies maybe. It doesn't fit Ducky and I doubt she would just abandon Spike like that also. Though why not just invent a new char that is around a bit here and there, but not one of the gang all the time. I'll not mention the justice league thing again and bore you folks who read me mention it before. Another idea is to bring back a pre made character, like 1 or more of the bullies from movie 3. I don't know the whole story of the movie, but know the basic facts. Maybe one of them could have done what the writers wanted Littlefoot to do.
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Here is a link (http://www.gangoffive.net/index.php?topic=334) to an older thread on LBT XI which might be interesting for this discussion. I must admit that I have way too little time at the moment to write something elaborate. Getting things sorted out in my new home (this is not meant to sound too negative) and tasks for the university really keep me busy every moment these days.
Nevertheless there is one thing I must refer to:
NOTE OF WARNING: This film has been criticized around here for overdoing the "morals." You've watched the movie; you know what I'm talking about. It's almost certain that you will meet disagreement on this issue. Even I have to admit that it's not one of my more favorite sequels. It really overdid the 'kiddieness' for me.
Is disagreeing on an issue a bad thing? Is not disagreeing on issues what makes sensible discussions possible in the first place. While I (provided real live leaves me the time) make my points, speak up for them, and try to convince others of my point of view (or else let myself be convinced by the better arguments of those who disagree with me) I am not going to ax anyone who does not share my points of view and the same, I think, is true for others here as well. There can be no real discussion without any disagreement. Mere enumerations of indisputable facts everyone agrees with can be interesting to some extend, but they are no discussions.
So please don't be shy or consider yourself warned, please do disagree!
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Is disagreeing on an issue a bad thing?
No. My post probably sounded more negative than I intended (I do that sometimes :p ). What I meant to say is that LBT 11 is not often "preferred" around these parts (at least from what I've seen). Achillobator gave high praise to a sequel that I often see get just the opposite. I'm not trying to discourage a good discussion.
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It it weren't for the charcters of what'shername, and Cera's little sister hatching (I can never remember which one is which) in this movie, one could almost put it between the first and second movie and say Littlefoot acts like he does since he's much younger. Though that may not fix all the problems with various characters acting like they do.
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Is disagreeing on an issue a bad thing?
No. My post probably sounded more negative than I intended (I do that sometimes :p ). What I meant to say is that LBT 11 is not often "preferred" around these parts (at least from what I've seen). Achillobator gave high praise to a sequel that I often see get just the opposite. I'm not trying to discourage a good discussion.
Well, I wouldn't say I gave it HIGH PRAISE, but I did enjoy it. I dunno what I liked about it, just that it was amusing :p There were just a few parts in it that amused me. For instance, Cera snapping on Ducky.
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It it weren't for the charcters of what'shername, and Cera's little sister hatching (I can never remember which one is which) in this movie-
Actually, Tricia hatched in The Land Before Time XII: The Great Day of the Flyers.
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For instance, Cera snapping on Ducky
Hehe. I loved that. Watch it in slow motion here:
http://files.filefront.com/gaspavi/;8998430;/fileinfo.html (http://files.filefront.com/gaspavi/;8998430;/fileinfo.html)
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This is a movie I have alot of respect for, because it was the movie that helped me get back into the franchise after several years of avoiding it as if it were the plague. :lol:
It was bad, but in a good way. It's hard to find a good bad movie. (Yeah, kinda strange. :P:) I wasn't bothered that much by Littlefoot's voice. I actually rendered it okay than anything else.
Littlefoot out of charcter? Yes, but it's what made the plot work. None of the good stuff would've happened if Littlefoot stayed in charcter. I doubt they would've learned about the tiny little longnecks if Littlefoot didn't make all the treesweets fall off the tree. Also, I doubt Cera would've looked at Tria differently without spending time with Lizzie. The two had so much in common. :^.^:
I've noticed that certian people around here don't like the idea of tickling sharpteeth, but I felt okay with this crazy little method. It was kind of creative in my mind. Not only that, it kind of made it interesting.
In my mind, it was all about bad that they were going with, and they did it the right way. :D
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I guess the egg didn't appear till the next movie then. Or was just an egg in this one.
I'm one of the odd sorts who thinks character should come before plot. To me it ruins the story for me if they have a character act in a way they would not just so the plot can happen in ways they want. I think it's best,to look at other characters, even minor ones, and ask, can one of these fit this role better. No reason a character can't return, and / or become one of the main characters for a movie or episode to fill a role the main characters would not do. Just my thoughts though. I know most, if not all, will disagree.
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I felt somewhat disappointed by LBT 11. While it did not make any of those gross errors which, in my opinion, messed up LBT 10 there were many weaknesses. They beat the bush about the fate of Cera's mother. With her being explicitely mentioned for the first time since the original movie I really would have hoped for some kind of explanation. The absence of Dinah and Dana in this movie also goes to show that characters are not just excluded from reappearance for lack of anything to do for them, but also for being "inconvenient" in another movies storyline. The over-stressing of the morals is another point about LBT 11 I wasn't too fond of. There are morals in most LBT movies, but usually they are given in a more subtle (and in my opinion preferable way). I guess the only LBT sequel which rivals LBT 11 for the prize of the "golden moral club" would be LBT 3 (a movie which in my opinion had a better storyline which was better realized than that of LBT 11). Another point against LBT 11 are the silly sharpteeth. While awkward, clumsy, unthreatening sharpteeth have been around since LBT 8 (LBT 9 being the only exception ever since) it does not make the problem any less disturbing. Sharpteeth being defeated by tickling? Come on, what would the original movie's sharptooth say! :huh:
Finally I think the xenophobia of the Great Valley inhabitants was absolutely overdrawn. After all there have been small dinosaurs and lizards in the Great Valley before. I really don't see how the grownups can freak out the way they do. The story would have been a lot more plausible if for example the tiny longnecks had been replaced by tiny sharpteeth; too small to be a thread to any of the Great Valley dinosaurs but still no herbivores. It has frequently been mentioned that the Great Valley is in need of scavengers to exist and while I don't think such a point would be put forth explicitly in a movie I still think including a "more interesting" kind of tinysauruses would have been practicable. Last (and probably least) what kind of title is "Invasion of the tinisaurs"? There is no invasion whatsoever and the very word is one which I would not count among the usual LBT vocabulary.
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Sounds like 11 was badly done. Tiny sharpteeth, like maybe compy's could have been interesting.
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Creepy Crawlies cannot be forgotten once heard :lol.
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Just saw this one yesterday. I didn't really care for it. :(petrie Thankfully it is pretty entertaining in places, albeit in a campy way.
The whole plot with the tree-sweets and the Great Valley residents forming a lynch mob was ridiculous. And Topsy's behaviour was strange. Like, I get that he's often abrasive and hot-headed, but he (and by extension the other dinos) seemed to be taking the whole situation too seriously. It especially clashed with how Topsy has otherwise started to mellow out by this point. Even the inciting incident for all this with Cera making fun of Littlefoot's size for no real reason, and then him suddenly being all insecure about it, was bizarre. The characterization here felt uneven.
The Tinysauruses themselves were kind of a lame concept. Especially "Big Daddy." I agree with some of the previous posters in that he was such a weird character. I groaned inwardly when he first showed up. More generally, I have read that tiny dinosaurs did exist in the prehistoric days, so I can see where they were coming from with the Tinysauruses, but eh, the whole thing could've been implemented better.
It's also similar to the problem I had with Journey to Big Water in that the stakes and sense of danger wasn't high enough. Even during the climax with the Sharpteeth, it just didn't feel scary or intense at all.
There were a few genuinely good parts. Despite my aforementioned issues with Topsy, he had some lovely character moments with Cera. And Tria is a nice new character. However, I still feel kind of frustrated and baffled that they never addressed what happened to Cera's original mother. Given how hostile Cera initially is with Tria, it really seems like something tragic happened. But, as Malte said, they beat around the bush with it. Regardless, the Tria subplot was interesting. More well-written than everything else going on. :p
“AAAAAH!” – Mr. Threehorn
“What was that?” – Grandma Longneck
“Eh…Mr. Threehorn again.” – Grandpa Longneck
“But what’s wrong?” – Grandma Longneck
“I don’t know, but I’m sure he’ll tell us…” – Grandpa Longneck
“Cera? Are you awake?…Look, I’m…I-I-I-I don’t…I…um, it’s just that…oh, this is so much harder than yelling…look. Tria is an old friend, and she doesn’t have anyone. She needs protection. And she’s really nice, and she…well, she likes me. And I like her.” – Mr. Threehorn
“But I want things back the way they were before! When you didn’t like anybody and nobody liked you!” – Cera
“I don’t think things are ever going to be that way again.” – Mr. Threehorn
Agreed. That was some great dialogue.
The funniest moment for me was near the end, although it was almost certainly unintentional on the filmmakers' part. When the tree-sweets regrow and the dinosaurs are all sharing them, the camera pans around in a circle, and you can see some CGI dinosaurs. Not the first time computer graphics have been used, but it's the first time they used it for the dinosaur animation, and it sticks out like a sore thumb. All the more jarring because the CGI dinos can be seen alongside the regular hand-drawn ones. Why on Earth did they do it that way? And it was for such a brief shot too, which only made it feel more unnecessary. It looked like something out of a PS2 video game. I actually laughed out loud at how jarring it was.
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Well, i thought Littlefoot did sound different in this episode, but i didnt notice any changes in his personality (maybe his personality develops more with each episode) besides the fact he was curious to have a tree sweet but knocked it down by accident and about Big Daddy his shadow was kind of scary but as himself i didnt really notice anything "creepy", but overall it seemed like a good episode none the less