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Title: Animation Errors
Post by: LittleDas75 on March 13, 2021, 01:57:01 PM
What are some of the most outrageous animation errors that you have spotted in the LBT franchise?
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: Dr. Rex on March 14, 2021, 07:57:24 PM
I remember one scene in LBT 10. Grandpa was looking down the mountain at the three Sharpteeth as they were attacking the gang, but the Sharpteeth's colors were switched around. It was odd.
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: LittleDas75 on March 16, 2021, 02:34:50 PM
I remember one scene in LBT 10. Grandpa was looking down the mountain at the three Sharpteeth as they were attacking the gang, but the Sharpteeth's colors were switched around. It was odd.
I noticed that one since I was a kid.
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: aabicus (LettuceBacon&Tomato) on March 16, 2021, 04:22:46 PM
Not sure if this counts as "animation", but my favorite error of all time will forever be Icky's binoculars (https://i.imgur.com/b451rHT.jpg).

(https://i.imgur.com/XwSDcQp.jpg)

Yeah, look at the original cover of LBT 4. Icky's holding a modern-day pair of binocs. That's canon, and I don't mean the brand.
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: LittleDas75 on March 16, 2021, 08:35:15 PM
Quote from: aabicus (LettuceBacon&Tomato) on March 16, 2021, 04:22:46 PM
Quote from: aabicus (LettuceBacon&Tomato) on March 16, 2021, 04:22:46 PM
Not sure if this counts as "animation", but my favorite error of all time will forever be Icky's binoculars (https://i.imgur.com/b451rHT.jpg).

(https://i.imgur.com/XwSDcQp.jpg)

Yeah, look at the original cover of LBT 4. Icky's holding a modern-day pair of binocs. That's canon, and I don't mean the brand.
Yeah I guess it counts.
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: Dr. Rex on March 17, 2021, 03:43:34 AM
Quote from: aabicus (LettuceBacon&Tomato) on March 16, 2021, 04:22:46 PM
Quote from: aabicus (LettuceBacon&Tomato) on March 16, 2021, 04:22:46 PM
Not sure if this counts as "animation", but my favorite error of all time will forever be Icky's binoculars (https://i.imgur.com/b451rHT.jpg).

(https://i.imgur.com/XwSDcQp.jpg)

Yeah, look at the original cover of LBT 4. Icky's holding a modern-day pair of binocs. That's canon, and I don't mean the brand.
I guess that's why we have a new cover for LBT IV. They caught on to the error.
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: LittleDas75 on March 18, 2021, 09:50:06 PM
One of the most bewildering continuous errors is when they miscolor characters. How does that slip through the animating process. Yes I know these films are made in a relatively short amount of time but still.
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: credence007 on June 15, 2021, 11:46:41 PM
Grandma and Grandpa Longneck got color mismatched a lot, and it’s kind of annoying and just looks like lazy animation. In LBT 6, Ducky gets miscolored when she says the line “They said you were the one who told them to get lost.”
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: Mouse-a-saur on June 16, 2021, 07:33:29 AM
I remember one scene in LBT 10. Grandpa was looking down the mountain at the three Sharpteeth as they were attacking the gang, but the Sharpteeth's colors were switched around. It was odd.
I noticed that one since I was a kid.
I only saw 10 recently compared to a lot of folks but I was sure I wasn't paying attention enough only to become even more confused later. Errors, errors.  :MommaSmile
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: LittleDas75 on June 25, 2021, 08:37:32 PM
Can anyone explain this wizardry?
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: chomper94 on June 30, 2021, 07:53:03 PM
I’m pretty sure one error was in one episode of the TV series (titled The Great Log Running Game) where Cera was reaching the waterfall, and when Littlefoot and Spike went to help, in one scene, Cera and Spike switched places in an continuity error, and the next few frames, Spike was back with Littlefoot.  Hilariously bad if you ask me.  :lol
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: LittleDas75 on June 30, 2021, 07:58:57 PM
I’m pretty sure one error was in one episode of the TV series (titled The Great Log Running Game) where Cera was reaching the waterfall, and when Littlefoot and Spike went to help, in one scene, Cera and Spike switched places in an continuity error, and the next few frames, Spike was back with Littlefoot.  Hilariously bad if you ask me.  :lol
Yep. It's similar to the Doofah thing I mentioned above.
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: chomper94 on July 09, 2021, 03:44:59 PM
Here are two more animation errors I saw:

One from “The Great Log-Running Game”:
(https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/landbeforetime/images/f/f5/Screenshot_2020-03-14_at_3.15.33_PM.png)

And one from “Return to Hanging Rock”:
(https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/landbeforetime/images/a/a4/Chomper_and_ruby.png)

Isn’t it weird how they make the same error twice in different episodes?  :thinking
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: LittleDas75 on July 09, 2021, 03:57:20 PM
Snout miss colorings are very common in the tv series.
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: chomper94 on July 11, 2021, 03:31:33 PM
Snout miss colorings are very common in the tv series.

Oh, I didn’t notice that.

It’s just that it’s been awhile since I last watched the TV series, so my memory on animation errors on snout miscolorings is poor. :oops
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: Dr. Rex on July 11, 2021, 04:18:20 PM
Snout miss colorings are very common in the tv series.
Examples?
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: LittleDas75 on July 11, 2021, 04:49:05 PM
I will find some as time goes on. For now take my word for it.
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: Dr. Rex on July 12, 2021, 05:42:56 PM
I will find some as time goes on. For now take my word for it.
Okay.
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: chomper94 on August 05, 2021, 04:25:03 PM
I’m pretty sure another snout miss coloring was on the episode “The Bright Circle Celebration”.  It took me up until the 2nd time I watched this episode on DVD to actually spot this, I don’t know why I never noticed it the first time I watched.

(it actually might be hard to tell, but just look closely at Chomper and you’ll eventually see it)

(https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/landbeforetime/images/5/5c/Episode_12_The_Bright_Circle_Celebration_068.jpg)
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: CappyGaming on August 16, 2021, 02:01:37 PM
Rubys Feathers are miscolored
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: LittleDas75 on August 16, 2021, 02:50:09 PM
Rubys Feathers are miscolored
So is her crest.
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: CappyGaming on August 16, 2021, 09:32:42 PM
Rubys Feathers are miscolored
So is her crest.
Yeah, thats what I meant
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: LittleDas75 on August 21, 2021, 05:03:08 PM
Here's one from Saurus Rock. Ducky's crest is the wrong color.
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: LittleDas75 on August 28, 2021, 01:18:26 PM
Look at Chomper.
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: Sapphirre98 on September 29, 2021, 12:20:16 AM
If we're talking about animation errors, Stone of Cold Fire has more animation errors than the rest of the movies combined. I've tried to count them but simply can't, because every time i try i notice a new one. :ShortyDisgusted

It seems like grandpa longneck's snout is colored like grandma's more often than it isn't, Littlefoot is off-model for almost the entire film, during the nighttime scene Pterano's head is not the right color (not sure if it's an error or not but it looks pretty bad so i'm counting it as a bad design decision if nothing else), Ducky is off-model rather frequently (and severely, I might grab some examples when I have time), and some small things here and there that are hard to notice.

I think about this a lot because even though 7 is one of my favorites, it suffers from bad art syndrome pretty severely. I have a theory that the movie was animated by Wang's B team while the A team was gearing up to switch to digital inking and painting for the rest of the movies (Big Freeze onwards). No evidence to back this up of course, but it would explain the shoddy animation and constant errors.
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: somerandomfangirl on October 04, 2021, 05:12:39 PM
There are a lot of animation errors in the films and TV series which I may post at a later date but I'll focus on one sequence in particular here. One of the most glaring things I noticed during the ending sequence of JOTB is that Bron's markings on his snout are wrong... a lot. Honestly I thought the animators got him wrong more than they got him right.  :sducky
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: LittleDas75 on October 04, 2021, 09:00:29 PM
Okay what is up with Topsy's neck in the bottom picture. It's so long and muscular. It looks incredibly wrong.
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: Sapphirre98 on October 04, 2021, 09:25:37 PM
Oh thank goodness i'm not the only one who noticed that weird coloration nonsense with bron at the end of JOTB. I agree, i think he's miscolored more often than not in that scene. It's super bizarre. Also Das is right with Topp's neck in that last picture. I love the sequels from an art perspective because if you look at any one frame for too long you begin to notice all the errors  :duckyworried
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: LittleDas75 on October 04, 2021, 10:37:27 PM
@Sapphirre98 Tell me about it. Just look on Fandom's List of Animation Error's page and see how many errors I have added for The Wisdom of Friends alone.
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: Mouse-a-saur on October 05, 2021, 02:02:00 PM
Oof, Topp's neck looks completely unhinged :threehornmad
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: somerandomfangirl on October 05, 2021, 03:53:25 PM
Yeeaaaah Topps' neck looks, uh... odd. I noticed throughout JOTB a few characters looked a bit inconsistent throughout, most noticeably the adult characters. Also is it just me or does Littlefoot's neck look unnaturally skinny in the bottom one too?

Anyway, here's a few grandparent miscolourings from X. The grandparents throughout suffer many animation errors like this, probably because they're usually together and look pretty similar.  :longneckBRUH
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: Mouse-a-saur on October 05, 2021, 03:57:09 PM
Oof, I didn't even notice Littlefoot's neck  :littlefootscared

Yeah, they get switcharoo'd a lot. Side note: I really love how the backgrounds look in X, even with the errors
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: somerandomfangirl on October 05, 2021, 04:32:43 PM
Agreed, I love the backgrounds in X too.

One more from me before I pack it in for the night. I dunno if this actually counts as an animation error because I've got a feeling this might just be my copy of VII (I streamed it before I got said copy and didn't notice this). But anyway... nightmare fuel, anyone?  :littlefootscared
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: LittleDas75 on October 05, 2021, 05:10:54 PM
What...the...heck :RedclawTerrified
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: Sapphirre98 on October 05, 2021, 05:29:54 PM
oh that's,,,  :rhett_ohno

Somebody looked at that frame, said "alright", then handed it to an inker/painter who said "alright" and inked/painted it. What happened here? :duckyscared
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: Sneak on October 05, 2021, 06:46:31 PM
there's some nightmare fuel...
*shivers*
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: chomper94 on October 05, 2021, 07:25:04 PM
Agreed, I love the backgrounds in X too.

One more from me before I pack it in for the night. I dunno if this actually counts as an animation error because I've got a feeling this might just be my copy of VII (I streamed it before I got said copy and didn't notice this). But anyway... nightmare fuel, anyone?  :littlefootscared

I’m scared… :sducky

(https://c.tenor.com/6W5bPFYhhzQAAAAC/scott-the-woz-scott-wozniak.gif)
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: somerandomfangirl on October 06, 2021, 05:03:37 AM
Therapist: Eyeless Grandma isn't real, she can't hurt you.
Eyeless Grandma:


In all seriousness, I think I just got a glitchy copy of VII. I checked out an online streaming version which looks like what I've attached. Still a minor error there with the eyes but at least they're not missing.  :rhett_ohsnap
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: Nanotyrannus on October 06, 2021, 05:12:42 AM
Is the error only for one or two frames or does it persist for a good bit of the shot?

Either way, how, uh, pleasant.  :sducky
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: Sneak on October 06, 2021, 05:13:07 AM
huh, weird.
Maybe in rebuilt versions of VII they edited some errors like this. Together with stupid edits like changing color of The Stone...
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: somerandomfangirl on October 06, 2021, 05:59:51 AM
Is the error only for one or two frames or does it persist for a good bit of the shot?

Either way, how, uh, pleasant.  :sducky

It lasts for about a second, so it's pretty easy to spot.
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: Sapphirre98 on October 06, 2021, 12:38:46 PM
Maybe in rebuilt versions of VII they edited some errors like this. Together with stupid edits like changing color of The Stone...

Ok so this confused me so i did a little research and,, does anyone have any images or footage of the stone's color edit? I had no idea they did a reprint, let alone edited stuff. My question is, why bother?
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: chomper94 on October 06, 2021, 12:41:40 PM
somerandomfangirl when she says that there’s an eyeless Grandma in the franchise:

(https://i.imgur.com/oscXKEm.png)

(ok, I’ll stop with the memes, I think I went too far)
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: LittleDas75 on October 06, 2021, 03:50:34 PM
Maybe in rebuilt versions of VII they edited some errors like this. Together with stupid edits like changing color of The Stone...

Ok so this confused me so i did a little research and,, does anyone have any images or footage of the stone's color edit? I had no idea they did a reprint, let alone edited stuff. My question is, why bother?
Here you go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3hJwroCIjY&t=206s&ab_channel=TheLandBeforeTime
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: Sneak on October 06, 2021, 03:59:32 PM
Maybe in rebuilt versions of VII they edited some errors like this. Together with stupid edits like changing color of The Stone...


Ok so this confused me so i did a little research and,, does anyone have any images or footage of the stone's color edit? I had no idea they did a reprint, let alone edited stuff. My question is, why bother?
Here you go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3hJwroCIjY&t=206s&ab_channel=TheLandBeforeTime


the same with Night Flowers from IV
https://www.gangoffive.net/index.php?topic=16944
And yeah, we all wondered: why bother?..
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: LittleDas75 on October 06, 2021, 04:14:55 PM
Also while the new explosion looks really cool it would have shattered the entire peak probably. Also it should be blue like it was originally. Also also I actually like the new look of the Night Flowers.
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: somerandomfangirl on October 07, 2021, 04:05:15 AM
somerandomfangirl when she says that there’s an eyeless Grandma in the franchise:

(https://i.imgur.com/oscXKEm.png)

Yeah that sums it up well  :lol

Also I don't get the change with the Stone of Cold Fire crash scene. As Das said, it looked like it should have shattered the peak with an explosion that big, and Littlefoot literally describes it as blue in the next scene. Odd change to say the least.  :thinking

Update: Having just checked out the whole of that YouTube video, eyeless Grandma is present there as well.  :rhett_ohsnap So they made that happen in the updated version. :facepalm
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: Sapphirre98 on October 07, 2021, 11:37:41 AM
Update: Having just checked out the whole of that YouTube video, eyeless Grandma is present there as well.

I noticed that yesterday but had to go to work so i didn't have time to say anything in this thread. If that clip is any indicator, the reprint may have caused more issues than it fixed. :sducky

that's a really weird issue to have though. Like, really REALLY weird. How does an eye go missing?
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: somerandomfangirl on October 08, 2021, 04:53:50 AM
I noticed that yesterday but had to go to work so i didn't have time to say anything in this thread. If that clip is any indicator, the reprint may have caused more issues than it fixed. :sducky

that's a really weird issue to have though. Like, really REALLY weird. How does an eye go missing?

Who knows? I don't know if there was some sort of glitch that made the eyes layer (?) turn invisible but how was this not picked up? Mind you, they didn't pick up on the fact that the stone is supposed to be blue. Good going, Universal.  :petrienotamused

Also have a meme about VII's "upgrade":

(https://i.imgur.com/SKkSv1E.jpg)
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: Sneak on October 08, 2021, 06:30:46 AM
 :lol :lol :lol :lol
good one!

I think it should be also posted in LBT memes thread:
https://www.gangoffive.net/index.php?topic=7030
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: LittleDas75 on October 09, 2021, 10:19:12 PM
Now this isn't a animation error but since were on the topic of changes I wanted to mention this. You know that infamous facial expression Ducky makes in The Big Freeze well in the HD version of the film they changed it to something not as weird. They did a fantastic job too. The change is seamless.
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: Sneak on October 10, 2021, 04:48:54 AM
Edit:
yeah, clip from LBT youtube channel indeed has this...
Nice finding!

Do you have link to "HD version" of the whole film?
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: LittleDas75 on October 10, 2021, 01:28:01 PM
Edit:
yeah, clip from LBT youtube channel indeed has this...
Nice finding!

Do you have link to "HD version" of the whole film?
No I don't. But it is on Starz.
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: somerandomfangirl on October 10, 2021, 03:28:03 PM
I didn't realise they'd done stuff to the Big Freeze as well. RIP Ducky's meme face, although I can see why that was changed.

So I'm guessing all of the films were re-released in HD then? Interesting...

Back to animation errors, here's a couple of longnecks after some, uh, special treestars.  :PLoofah
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: LittleDas75 on October 10, 2021, 05:20:05 PM
Red eyed Grandma Longneck is one I have known about for a while. How did that even happen?
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: somerandomfangirl on October 11, 2021, 02:10:46 PM
Honestly, how do most of these happen?  :PLoofah

Spotted another error they made in the Stone of Cold Fire update. Grandpa's belly is invisible as he walks into the shot. This wasn't present in the original print, as shown below.

They actually made VII worse with the update.  :SharptoothAmused I'm gonna have to sit down and go through this with a fine-tooth comb now, see if there's any other errors they put in.  :lol
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: Sneak on October 11, 2021, 02:23:18 PM
wth? O_o

It becomes creepier and creepier...

And look at that background eyeless dinosaur right behind Grandpa's ghostly belly!

Edit:

And i won't forgive them for cutting Ducky's meme face!
Get them!!!

(https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/clocktower/images/0/01/BobbyScissors.gif)
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: LittleDas75 on October 11, 2021, 02:26:05 PM
Honestly, how do most of these happen?  :PLoofah

Spotted another error they made in the Stone of Cold Fire update. Grandpa's belly is invisible as he walks into the shot. This wasn't present in the original print, as shown below.

They actually made VII worse with the update.  :SharptoothAmused I'm gonna have to sit down and go through this with a fine-tooth comb now, see if there's any other errors they put in.  :lol
Okay just how?
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: LittleDas75 on October 11, 2021, 02:59:29 PM
This shot right here has way too many errors for me to list so just stare at it, if you dare (rhyme unintended), and you will start to spot them.
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: somerandomfangirl on October 11, 2021, 03:23:41 PM
Attack of the clones.  :lol

Annnd here's another Stone of Cold Fire "upgrade". Spike breaks physics now, deal with it. :p
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: Sneak on October 11, 2021, 04:48:47 PM
no comments...
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: LittleDas75 on October 11, 2021, 05:04:06 PM
Spike fly's now.
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: somerandomfangirl on October 14, 2021, 02:21:08 PM
I've continued to slowly make my way through the VII updated version. I've found quite a few scenes where the sound doesn't quite match up with the animation which is a bit weird. I noticed as well in the scene where Littlefoot talks to his grandparents about Pterano the animation is changed. They use Grandma's animation for the line "Oh my goodness! Here, in the Great Valley?" twice which makes her look like she's saying Grandpa's line in the previous shot... but in the original there was a different shot where it matched up with him talking. As shown below:
https://vimeo.com/632226702

Now then, you've seen eyeless Grandma...

How about eyeless Pterano?  :PteranoPlotting
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: Sneak on October 14, 2021, 02:26:05 PM
Note to myself:
Never read again this topic before going to bed...
O_o

---------

but srsl

logic.exe has stopped working...
I stopped to understand anything. Creators, how can you mess up so badly in so many scenes?

Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: Sapphirre98 on October 14, 2021, 02:41:08 PM
That change with grandpa's animation is incredibly bizarre. I wonder if it was done intentionally or if someone just wasn't paying attention? hard to say. Eyeless Pterano is terrible, thank you very much.  :PteranoPlotting

If you find any more eyeless lads please post them. I want a collection. :bestsharptooth
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: somerandomfangirl on October 14, 2021, 03:36:08 PM
Eyeless Pterano is terrible, thank you very much.  :PteranoPlotting

You're welcome.  :taunttroll

Also yeah if I do find any more eyeless peeps you know I'll post them here. So, uh, if you're about to go to bed and you see this topic come up with my name on it... maybe don't click.  :p
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: chomper94 on October 14, 2021, 03:37:02 PM
Now then, you've seen eyeless Grandma...

How about eyeless Pterano?  :PteranoPlotting

*screaming in-testifies*
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: Sapphirre98 on October 14, 2021, 04:04:21 PM
Actually the more that i think about it, the more i suspect that the eyeless thing is actually a layering issue. :thinking The eye(s) are probably still there, just on the layer underneath. It's pretty obvious that's what happened with that one shot of Spike floating way above where he should be.
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: Hammy on October 15, 2021, 02:04:30 AM
I've continued to slowly make my way through the VII updated version. I've found quite a few scenes where the sound doesn't quite match up with the animation which is a bit weird. I noticed as well in the scene where Littlefoot talks to his grandparents about Pterano the animation is changed. They use Grandma's animation for the line "Oh my goodness! Here, in the Great Valley?" twice which makes her look like she's saying Grandpa's line in the previous shot... but in the original there was a different shot where it matched up with him talking. As shown below:
https://vimeo.com/632226702
More and more, I have to wonder what in God's name happened with the Stone of Cold Fire HD remaster. How do you mess that up? What was so wrong about the shot of Grandpa talking that it was edited out so that Grandma appears to speak both lines? Did anyone watch this over before it was released?

It's not quite as egregious as taking an asteroid that's specifically said to be blue and turning it entirely yellow, but it just makes me wonder more and more what happened behind the scenes. It didn't seem like most of the other movies got this kind of odd treatment. The big ones that have been edited over time seem to be IV and VII. It's a little baffling.
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: LittleDas75 on October 15, 2021, 10:15:50 PM
I have now decided I am not going to purchase the Stone of Cold Fire remaster.
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: LittleDas75 on October 17, 2021, 01:50:26 AM
Honestly, how do most of these happen?  :PLoofah

Spotted another error they made in the Stone of Cold Fire update. Grandpa's belly is invisible as he walks into the shot. This wasn't present in the original print, as shown below.

They actually made VII worse with the update.  :SharptoothAmused I'm gonna have to sit down and go through this with a fine-tooth comb now, see if there's any other errors they put in.  :lol
Just noticed another error in that same shot. The Ankylosaur's club tail is slightly transparent too.
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: Dr. Rex on October 17, 2021, 04:23:55 PM
I've continued to slowly make my way through the VII updated version. I've found quite a few scenes where the sound doesn't quite match up with the animation which is a bit weird. I noticed as well in the scene where Littlefoot talks to his grandparents about Pterano the animation is changed. They use Grandma's animation for the line "Oh my goodness! Here, in the Great Valley?" twice which makes her look like she's saying Grandpa's line in the previous shot... but in the original there was a different shot where it matched up with him talking. As shown below:
https://vimeo.com/632226702
More and more, I have to wonder what in God's name happened with the Stone of Cold Fire HD remaster. How do you mess that up? What was so wrong about the shot of Grandpa talking that it was edited out so that Grandma appears to speak both lines? Did anyone watch this over before it was released?

It's not quite as egregious as taking an asteroid that's specifically said to be blue and turning it entirely yellow, but it just makes me wonder more and more what happened behind the scenes. It didn't seem like most of the other movies got this kind of odd treatment. The big ones that have been edited over time seem to be IV and VII. It's a little baffling.
I haven't watched VII in a long time. I have it on VHS only, and all of the VHS players that I have access to are out of commission, sadly.

Something tells me the production crew was on a tight schedule for those films when it came to the animation phase. You don't leave all of those errors lying around just for the heck of it. If so, it's understandable, considering the sequels were on a yearly schedule. That said, I noticed there was a break in the annual schedule between VI (released in 1998) and VII (released in 2000). That could be another explanation behind the animation quality of the latter.
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: Hammy on October 17, 2021, 10:41:24 PM
I haven't watched VII in a long time. I have it on VHS only, and all of the VHS players that I have access to are out of commission, sadly.

Something tells me the production crew was on a tight schedule for those films when it came to the animation phase. You don't leave all of those errors lying around just for the heck of it. If so, it's understandable, considering the sequels were on a yearly schedule. That said, I noticed there was a break in the annual schedule between VI (released in 1998) and VII (released in 2000). That could be another explanation behind the animation quality of the latter.
Not referring to original production crew at all, no. They did not make these errors, as they weren't in the original print, or any print until this remaster, and they did a very good job under the time constraints at hand. What's confusing to me is the remaster job, and yeah, if there was a tight schedule, I'm sure it wasn't easy, but it's bizarre to me that an error like making the meteorite yellow or editing the aforementioned scene so that Grandma's animation plays twice seem like they would take more effort to make than to not make. It's just strange and I'm curious how and why that happened. The layering errors, those I can understand much more, but really ought to have been caught in a watchover, and again, weren't present in the original.

It's especially upsetting to me because, if a Blu-ray release were to happen (very unlikely at this point), this is probably what we'd get, and that just sucks. This is what we're getting on streaming now, and that sucks. Kids and fans now are gonna see these errors where they wouldn't have before. I really love VII, and it hurts me a bit that Universal or whoever they had working on the remaster, were so seemingly careless with altering it. It's really not that big of a deal ultimately, I know, but it's a film I care about a lot, for all its faults.
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: Little Bro on October 18, 2021, 12:01:55 AM
I have now decided I am not going to purchase the Stone of Cold Fire remaster.
Smart choice :PLoofah
Really, why are they remastering an old kids show when the people you have working on it don't care about the end result? They need to remaster the remaster. It needs reremastered.
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: Sapphirre98 on October 18, 2021, 12:38:49 AM
It's especially upsetting to me because, if a Blu-ray release were to happen (very unlikely at this point), this is probably what we'd get, and that just sucks.
Agreed that it's unlikely we'd get a blue ray release. Though even so, any future dvd releases are likely going to have the remaster instead of the original print, which also sucks really bad.

You know what really grinds my gears with all the issues the reprint introduced to the movie though? This reprint presented the opportunity to FIX errors. This movie had tons and tons of errors present in the original print - a fair bit more than you'd generally see in a land before time movie, at least as far as i've noticed - and reprinting would have given them the opportunity to fix some of those. Recoloring Grandpa and Grandma longneck to be on-model, for example. But they not only chose not to do any of that, but they were also so careless that they INTRODUCED a ton more errors on top of the existing ones. AND this is the print we're likely to see in any future physical releases. What really dumps salt in the wounds is the fact that they demonstrated that they were very capable of making edits to the movie by doing so - in the most nonsensical way possible that messes with the plot of the film. Yellow stone of cold fire, you've gotta be joking.

And yeah, it's probably all because this is a low budget low caliber kids movie that few people care about and it's being treated as such. But it upsets me a lot because I also care a lot about this movie for all its faults and problems. We could have had a nice updated fully HD better version of the movie, but instead we got this. How depressing.

Also

That said, I noticed there was a break in the annual schedule between VI (released in 1998) and VII (released in 2000). That could be another explanation behind the animation quality of the latter.

I believe what happened was the switch from traditional methods of inking and painting to digital. Wang Studios likely had some trouble getting used to the switch, and combining that with the tight production schedules that these movies no doubt had you get Stone of Cold Fire's animation quality.

I like to lovingly poke fun of 7's animation quality, particularly the fact that many characters are off-model so much that with that movie alone to go off of you'd probably have no idea what "on-model" looks like. Pterano is a good example, since he never appears elsewhere. He's quite chubby in one shot, and quite skinny in the next. No way to be sure which he's actually supposed to be, unless ref sheets were to be leaked at some point which would be very cool. Gimme the forbidden Pterano charts  :PteranoPlotting
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: Hammy on October 18, 2021, 01:26:33 AM
It's especially upsetting to me because, if a Blu-ray release were to happen (very unlikely at this point), this is probably what we'd get, and that just sucks.
Agreed that it's unlikely we'd get a blue ray release. Though even so, any future dvd releases are likely going to have the remaster instead of the original print, which also sucks really bad.

You know what really grinds my gears with all the issues the reprint introduced to the movie though? This reprint presented the opportunity to FIX errors. This movie had tons and tons of errors present in the original print - a fair bit more than you'd generally see in a land before time movie, at least as far as i've noticed - and reprinting would have given them the opportunity to fix some of those. Recoloring Grandpa and Grandma longneck to be on-model, for example. But they not only chose not to do any of that, but they were also so careless that they INTRODUCED a ton more errors on top of the existing ones. AND this is the print we're likely to see in any future physical releases. What really dumps salt in the wounds is the fact that they demonstrated that they were very capable of making edits to the movie by doing so - in the most nonsensical way possible that messes with the plot of the film. Yellow stone of cold fire, you've gotta be joking.
No, no, character miscolors, those can stay, we don't care about those. Instead, we care about recoloring some dinos' legs in the shot of Pterano sneaking around after Beyond the Mysterious Beyond, thus destroying the clearly intended darker lighting. We care about redoing the animation on the rock that the gang rides up to Threehorn Peak, because so much was wrong with that. We care about directly. We care about making the stone bright friggin' yellow, directly contradicting dialogue and making it harder to believe that no one but Littlefoot noticed it.

Sarcasm aside, it's all rather puzzling. It almost strikes me as someone, somewhere had a weird, half-baked vision that resulted in a weird, half-baked remaster. So many instances where just not updating anything would have been preferable.
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: Sapphirre98 on October 18, 2021, 02:23:25 AM
Unrelated to the remaster, I've noticed something that is present to a small degree in other movies but is most notable in 7. Littlefoot (and sometimes Cera) sometimes have partial lines drawn onto his top and bottom eyelids. I'm assuming that these are the remnants of sketch guidelines for his eyes that have been accidentally inked into the linework present in the final product, and it's most notable and frequent in Stone of Cold Fire (shocking, I know).

The first attachment is the most severe example, but usually they look more like the rest. Note that all examples are pulled from one of the non-remaster prints (i think it's the DVD print). Not that i think the remaster would have added weird lines to the linework, that seems to be the one thing they didn't do (that we've noticed so far).
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: LittleDas75 on October 23, 2021, 07:47:44 PM
There is a really bad scaling error in Return to Hanging Rock. Look at how big Grandpa Longneck is compared to what I assume is Saurus Rock.
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: Sneak on October 24, 2021, 07:44:25 AM
Also, there's some weird rock at the top of Rock, when its head should be clean FLAT. 

(Obviously, because it is flathead!  ;)Cera)
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: somerandomfangirl on November 01, 2021, 03:49:02 PM
It's been a while, hasn't it? Are you ready for some more fun Stone of Cold Fire shenanigans?  :smucky

This one... is actually in both versions. The eyes are there this time, but they don't look right. Topps has seen some things...

And I have no idea what's going on with Grandma's proportions in the last one. The animators really did her dirty in this film.  :longneckBRUH Also why are the necks on both of them so thin throughout it really bugs me ahgldash
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: LittleDas75 on November 01, 2021, 04:25:13 PM
Here's a similar error from The Big Freeze.
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: Sneak on November 01, 2021, 04:31:30 PM
goggle-eyed apocalypse! :O
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: Sapphirre98 on November 01, 2021, 04:48:26 PM
oh god that last one,,,  :rhett_ohsnap
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: chomper94 on November 01, 2021, 05:09:21 PM
Don’t worry, these dinosaurs can’t hurt you…

Can they?
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: Little Bro on November 02, 2021, 12:16:24 PM
Uhh, Spiketail, Mr. Threehorn, You okay? Cause it looks like you've got some... nightmare fuel.  :opetrie

Those are some good ones, LittleDas and SRFG. :smile Also, I'd like to suggest that Wide Eye Threehorn becomes a new emoji. :threehorn :lol
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: somerandomfangirl on November 07, 2021, 03:12:09 PM
Uhh, Spiketail, Mr. Threehorn, You okay? Cause it looks like you've got some... nightmare fuel.  :opetrie

Those are some good ones, LittleDas and SRFG. :smile Also, I'd like to suggest that Wide Eye Threehorn becomes a new emoji. :threehorn :lol

...Like this? (https://i.imgur.com/BuNNrYC.png) :p

(Yeah I got bored one night. :lol)
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: chomper94 on November 07, 2021, 04:06:00 PM
Uhh, Spiketail, Mr. Threehorn, You okay? Cause it looks like you've got some... nightmare fuel.  :opetrie

Those are some good ones, LittleDas and SRFG. :smile Also, I'd like to suggest that Wide Eye Threehorn becomes a new emoji. :threehorn :lol

...Like this? (https://i.imgur.com/BuNNrYC.png) :p

(Yeah I got bored one night. :lol)

That’s PERFECT!
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: Sneak on November 07, 2021, 05:10:08 PM
LOL XD
Good work!
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: RainbowFaceProtege on November 07, 2021, 07:02:22 PM
Uhh, Spiketail, Mr. Threehorn, You okay? Cause it looks like you've got some... nightmare fuel.  :opetrie

Those are some good ones, LittleDas and SRFG. :smile Also, I'd like to suggest that Wide Eye Threehorn becomes a new emoji. :threehorn :lol

...Like this? (https://i.imgur.com/BuNNrYC.png) :p

(Yeah I got bored one night. :lol)

That’s PERFECT!

BWAHAHAHA! :petrieLOL
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: Little Bro on November 07, 2021, 08:57:35 PM
@somerandomfangirl , WOW, just when I think you can't come up with anymore nightmare fuel, you create a nightmare fuel emoji! :redclawscared

Really, that looks AMAZING!!!
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: LittleDas75 on November 07, 2021, 09:34:07 PM
That looks fantastic.
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: LittleDas75 on November 23, 2021, 08:58:06 AM
Cera is now the Terminator.
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: LittleDas75 on November 23, 2021, 09:11:13 AM
I decided to go and check and this is another error exclusive to the HD version.
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: somerandomfangirl on November 25, 2021, 06:06:36 PM
I decided to go and check and this is another error exclusive to the HD version.

Ah yes, more 'improvements' made in the HD remasters.  :bestsharptooth
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: Hammy on November 25, 2021, 10:10:44 PM
For what it's worth, the remasters give us a little insight into how the films were animated. By messing up the illusion of life, we get to see some of the tricks used. The eyes are clearly their own layer, with the lids just being animated over them. And is Cera red underneath? Are the basic character shapes done in solid colors? I'm not an animator myself, so I'm not entirely sure why that would be a layer under her eye, but it'd be an interesting question to pose to the production teams.

We don't get a lot of behind the scenes info with the sequels, so I'll take what I can get, even if it's a silver lining on a storm cloud.
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: LittleDas75 on November 25, 2021, 10:21:56 PM
For what it's worth, the remasters give us a little insight into how the films were animated. By messing up the illusion of life, we get to see some of the tricks used. The  are clearly their own layer, with the lids just being animated over them. And is Cera red underneath? Are the basic character shapes done in solid colors? It  I'm not an animator myself, so I'm not entirely sure why that would be a layer under her eye, but it'd be an interesting question to pose to the production teams.

We don't get a lot of behind the scenes info with the sequels, so I'll take what I can get, even if it's a silver lining on a storm cloud.
Very interesting thought there.
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: LittleDas75 on November 26, 2021, 12:03:24 PM
I think this error here kind of answers your question @Hammy and this time it isn't exclusive to the remaster.
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: LittleDas75 on December 08, 2021, 03:53:13 PM
It's the green tongue siblings. Yes I know Ducky and Spike aren't genetically siblings but Ducky calls Spike her big brother multiple times.
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: Little Bro on December 11, 2021, 07:19:27 PM
^Ducky and Spike are showing a very rare disease that only occurs when eating too much green food.  :sducky Better limit the amount you eat, Spike!
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: Sneak on December 11, 2021, 07:26:47 PM
Good to see they became true siblings. :D
Sad to see creators keep making errors ike this... :(
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: LittleDas75 on December 22, 2021, 02:38:30 PM
It wasn't only the sequels that had animation errors. The oringial film had it's fair share of errors. Like this one where the sky changes in the same shot.
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: somerandomfangirl on December 24, 2021, 06:09:57 AM
Interesting...

I haven't found much time recently to go through the films again and look for more animation errors (I still need to see if there's anymore nightmare fuel in the VII remaster :P) but I'll try and have another look as soon as I can.
Title: Re: Animation Errors
Post by: LittleDas75 on January 21, 2022, 01:26:44 PM
I don't know how I didn't notice this one until now. Doofah and another Yellow Belly gained four toes.