I think the most recent cause for a rumor about a 20th anniversary edition was a fan's wishful thinking being converted into a wikipedia article. I'm not saying that (especially with the upcoming series) people in charge might not consider something like this; however there is NO whatsoever official line yet that there is any substance to the talk about the coming of such an edition.

Ah!  I was pretty much hoping for that!

Anyways, this is great news!  I had my doubts about a 13th one, due to my guess of the budget they probably have.

With how things are going, I have a feeling we'll reach up to at least 15 before the series completely dies for whatever reason it may be. (I try to mean this on a postive note, BTW.)

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22 born August 25th.

Okay, terribly sorry for not responding earlier.  I ended up completely forgetting about this topic.

Anyways, yeah you're right Malte, the second one seems more logical.  Considering everything, it makes alot more sense.  However, what really got me into believing the revenge thing was basically Littlefoot's tone and quick debating on what to do.

He basically didn't think things through, and didn't realize the full extent of the danger that he was putting everyone in.  He even went and put Ducky at the biggest risk.  I know she was the only choice left to lure Sharptooth, granted.  However, Ducky was incredably reluctant.  So reluctant in fact, that it seemed impossible to convince her.  I must say, her bravery to go through with the plan definately exceeds her small size.

Anyways, I noted that Littlefoot seemed to have a devlish smirk on his face when he looked at Ducky for something to use as bait.  To me, in the fullest jurisdiction, it seemed that revenge was highly on his mind.  It is true that we don't see such a thing in his mind these days, but what about back then?  Before the final battle against Sharptooth?  The thought of revenge plauging his mind, begging him to do so?  With him believing that Sharptooth was dead, probably not.  However, he seemed to have a great amount of recklessness in him.

Basically, Petrie nearly dying was a wake-up call to him.  It finally hit him.  True, it was probably the best plan that could be thought up at the time.  However, does that justify that he nearly lost a friend?  I think not.

In all truthfulness, I believe Littlefoot did have revenge on his mind and it took nearly loosing a friend to wake him up from this.

He lives with the pain, because of how wrong he knew it was for him to get revenge.

That's basically my two cents really.

Okay, let's continue.

6.  I understand whole heartedly what you're saying with this one.  However, I will not deny Bron's strongly put opinion in Sharpteeth.  My guess is that he's grown up around coward-like Sharpteeth all his life.  Indeed, I too wish he would say such a thing in front of Sharptooth.  However, I fully understand that it's most likly from life experiences that he sees them as cowards.

I also understand the courage it takes to attack something that's pretty huge, then again, with something like a T-rex, it ends up being the same size as a Brontosaurus fully grown, and let's just say when something is the same size as you or smaller, you really aren't that scared.

Also, as I recall, Littlefoot's mother was the first to attack Sharptooth, and let me just ask this little question, "How do we feel when someone hits us?" We want to hit them back, right?  Right!  Of course, Sharptooth took it to a rather violent level.

Of course, if Littlefoot put any defiance in his father's strongly put opinion in Sharpteeth, I could just imagine the trouble he'd get into.  I believe that he did think about these possible counters to Bron's opinion, however, he also thought about how much trouble he'd get into, and when meeting your dad after years of not knowing him, it's not a good idea to get into any trouble.

Also, I'd say it's a good thing I watched all of those "Nature" shows. (I mainly started watching them because I was bored.  However, in time, I became a fan.) From those shows, I have come to learn that several predators have alot of control over their powerful jaws.  With the power provided, they can choose when to either hurt, limp, wound and even kill their prey.  I believe that, for one of the oddest reasons, the Sharptooth that bit Bron chose to only hurt him.  I also understand that there are some creatures that have some rather tough skin to break through, and as I recall, alot of power was definately put into the bite that killed Littlefoot's mother.  So, I highly believe that Longnecks have a good amount of protection in their skin. (Some more than others.) So, I think it was only natural that Bron only ended up getting hurt and nothing worse.

7. I find it hard to believe that you came up with this according to what I see.

I do not believe for one second that Bron gave Littlefoot up.  With the fact that he was so dense that he didn't even think to look in The Great Valley, it ends up saying alot.  Of course, the herd did come to depend on Bron for some unexplainable reason.  As leader, he was put in a tight spot.  A herd is like a family. (We have come to understand this with Littlefoot and his friends.) I believe several members got to him as family.  And let's just say that when it comes to a dense leader, they decide that the one you are with now is more important.

I know that may make him seem like he was cold-hearted, but I bet he took it with the heaviest of hearts.  I ask you, what choice did this leader have?

As cold-hearted as it may sound, it was a better choice for him to stay with the herd then to look for Littlefoot.  He really didn't have much choice but to stop looking.

8. In a simple understanding, they thought he was dead!

Just take a look at Grandpa Longneck's reaction when he saw Bron.  It holds all the face-like features, tones and emotions brought on that I would expect to come out of him when he sees someone he thought was dead.  Especially his own son.

Also, they understand that Littlefoot still takes the loss of his mother pretty hard whenever it's discussed.  Even though it's been years since his mother died, he still has yet to get over it.  Imagine if such a bit of news was brought up.  The possiblity of his dad being dead as well brings up alot to be said.

This also explains why Grandpa Longneck was very reluctant to tell Littlefoot who was right in front of him.  Everything sinking in and all.  Someone he thought was dead, but is in reality 100% alive.

They were basically afraid of how Littlefoot would react to it.

They decided to wait until either he was old enough to handle it or he just brought up the question for some odd reason.  They knew that Littlefoot wasn't ready to accept it yet.

9. I have come to know Grandma and Grandpa Longneck quite well, and understand them to have quite a good amount of wisdom.

Those who are wise come to understand that when the same dream happens constantly and to others as well, it is no coincidence.  They knew that because of this, it was telling them something.  It's kinda like basic instinct.  Something deep inside was guiding them.  Because of them costantly having the dream, they knew they had to be somewhere.

I too would say that it would be better explained if the legend was given to them, but not once did they show that they had any knowledge of the legend before they left for the journey.  Why it never got around to them, I won't ask and just know.

Yes, "Don't ask, just know."

Due to their wisdom, they knew it wasn't a coincidence that they had the same dream constantly, and just knew that they had to be somewhere.

10. Well, that seems a little strange to me.  In the version I hold, they definately showed a good amount of sadness at this news.  In that full sense, I must ask what kind of version you have?

In the version I hold they show a great amount of reluctance with their face.

Of course they don't want him to leave, but what kind of friend are you to deprive such a great friend of your own that choice?

I'd say it was done in the greatest way possible.  The message of the song basically said that "no matter what, they would always be his friends."

If he left, they would always remember him.  They would see him in their dreams and feel him in their hearts. (I don't think there's any words that are more emotional than that in the song.) They would think of him each day and see his smily face.

No matter what, no matter what hardships came, no matter what seperated them, they would always be his friends.  The greatest friends he could ever have in his entire life.

Also, they weren't giving him up, they were giving him more.

They all know what it's like to have someone who is as close as a dad is.  Littlefoot never had that.  They knew this was his chance to experience that.  They knew he really wanted to go with his dad, and they didn't want to deprive him of that.

In conclusion to this point, they weren't out of charcter, they did it in the most perfect way it could possibly be done.

Still got a bit more I want to discuss.  Will finish it later.

Okay, I have carefully studied what you have said to me, and have come to one little conclusion of why Bron's story didn't make sense to you...

You took it FAR too seriously.

Now, understand that the various counterproofs I'm going to make are rather confusing, but understandable.  Also, understand that it's going to take all of them together to prove Bron's innocence.  So please, if I don't finish, don't try to counterproof me, because it takes ALL the points I will make to prove me right.

1. To get point one out of the way, there is not really a 100% indication of when such a change happened.  Nor is there any real indication of how it happened.  For all we know, it could've been anything to make such a change.  Obviously, whatever was coming, both of Littlefoot's parents saw it coming and prepared for the worst the best they could.  Also, just because it's lush and green, doesn't mean that it's safe.  This is proven to us in the second movie.  Despite the Great Valley being such a great place, it still has it's dangers.  Plus, with how it was desgined, we can easily confirm that Sharpteeth probably attacked wherever it all started every single day. (That big hole that Bron went through to exit wherever they lived is probably as big as the one The Great Wall had.) It was not the place for Littlefoot to grow up.  Plus, take a look at Littlefoot's nest right when we see him as an egg.  There are 5 of them total, including Littlefoot.  4 of them were sadly broken into.  With such dangers, Littlefoot's lucky to even be alive.  It proved to be very unsafe.

Now, going back to the first movie, we know that the leaves were beginning to die, yet we don't know what caused such a thing to happen.  However, with this information, there is no doubt that the cause destroyed a good amount of the food that was provided.  With danger and a coming cause that made a very big lack of food, there was no choice but to leave.

2. Like I said, there is no real indication dictating of when the dramatic change happened.  He could've been gone for days before it happened.  Let's put in the most logical thing that would make it happen, a metor.  As I read in an article once that indicated the most likely cause of the dinosaurs' extinction, a metor striking the earth makes dramatic changes.  Not only does the sun get blocked out, but any volcanoes nearby become VERY active, making them spew out an uncontrolable amount of lava and ash. (We have to suggest a volcano being nearby in order to make such a tropical place existable.) Earthquakes strike at a multitude that is unnormal, and worst of all, the dust and ash that is carried into the atmosphere causes acid rain.  Destroying all the leaves it hits.  The metor wasn't as big as the one that killed off the dinosaurs, but it was still big enough to cause quite some damage.

So, if it was a metor, than it was a sudden change, it just didn't happen until a good time after Bron left.

Also, what I like to call "The Great Earthshake", the one in the first movie, was the earthquake of all earthquakes.  It could easily destroy footprints without even trying, even the biggest.  It could also mess up the trail in just one second.  Plus, even if the trail was lucky to survive, it would've been easily cut up by "a rise of vertical rock."

He said that he returned to the nest JUST AS THE EARTHQUAKE HIT.  There was no way for him to follow them because of The Great Earthshake.

Okay, I have to leave this for now, but I will finish it.

Remember, it takes ALL my points to prove Bron's innocence.

Hmm, intresting choices. (Except for Ares.  That just doesn't sound like a girl's name to me.  Though I must ask how you came up with Pluto.)

Oh, and Thunderfoot I actually got from a little article of the original LBT movie.  I can't remember the website at the moment, but it said that Littlefoot's originally planned name was Thunderfoot.  They just didn't put it in because it wouldn't've worked with kids.

Oh, and here's a little something for my fic I think you should know.  Despite them being fully grown, Ducky will still keep her classic habit of repeating herself, and Petrie will keep his special sentence structuring.  To me, it's what makes Ducky, Ducky and Petrie, Petrie.  To me, destroying that destroys their charcter.

Okay, some of you know that I'm making a Dark LBT fic, and I've run into a little problem with it.

You see, there's a point where the gang is found as an enemy to the residents of the Great Valley, because of something they did. (This will be revealed in the fic.) With their families gone, (They all died horrible deaths if you must know.) they had to strike out on their own and take care of eachother.  Years later, they return because the valley is in danger.  However, if they were revealed who they were, the Valley's residents wouldn't want their help.  So, for this reason, they change their names.

That's my problem now.  I have a tendency to suck when it comes to making up names.  So I need some ideas of what to name them.  Here's what I have so far:

Littlefoot = Thunderfoot

Yeah, that's about it.  So, what names would you like to be given to them?

I'll take all suggestions.  Just understand, I may not pick yours for whatever reason.  Sometimes, it may be that I still can't pick one and just picked randomly.

Believe me, I could really use the help.

Thanks in advance.

Note that I am not trying to advocate for banning violence from LBT. The land before time is not utopia. There has been violence ever since the original movie and some of the scenes in the movies are very dark and nasty actually (for example the execution of two unconscious sharpteeth who were burried alive by Littlefoot's grandfather and Doc while the kids were cheering. After the lessons they learned in LBT 2 and 5 I would at least expect them not to cheer about this cruel murder of defenseless).

Indeed, I must agree with you all the way that LBT isn't one of those peaceful movies out there.  They give kids a relistic view and make it fit the tastes of overprotective parents.  I too agree that such elements of darkness have been put in, however, they are just the right way as to not really affect kids. (Oh, and btw, the difference there is that those two in 6 tried to have them for a meal.  While the ones in 2 & 5 actually protected them from the danger.  I'm pretty sure that the kids have a basic idea of which are their friends and which are their enemies.  And what happens to enemies in kid movies that would otherwise destroy you?  They die.)

However, there is a difference between telling the sad story of the death of Littlefoot's mother, or such thrilling scenes as various combats with sharpteeth throughout the series and the description of how (quite litteraly) the inside of Cera's Dad is turned out! I do see a clear difference here.
There is a difference between describing violence and its consequences for story purposes and indulging in it in what seems a kind of mental murderous frenzy.

When it comes to death, you've got to give it the realistic view of it being good or bad.  You've got to give to the reader the cause of the death. (Which in some cases is your insides being pulled out.) One thing I've seeing missed though is the affected charcter's view of witnessing a death.  Indeed, I must agree that there seems to be no purpose of the violence with such stories, except for them to basically exist.  There are some cases I can forgive, (ie killing someone as a means of defense.) but please, don't do it pointless, it's just not worth it. (I've had such a similar experience.)

The story I'm writing at the moment does contain violence. It does contain the death of a character, and it does mention the deaths of characters who died before the story began (e.g. the dinosaurs who went with Pterano on the way to the Great Valley).

Well, all I ask is that you do it right.  Otherwise, you can expect me to just not read it. (I don't flame someone for what they do in a fic, though I sometimes have a tendancy to actually want to kill them for such a thing.)

If it comes to involving humans, science-fiction characters, travels through time etc. I really don't think it got anything to do with the land before time anymore and yes I do think that those who are unable to work without any of these elements in a land before times story are lacking fantasy and the ability to work with what they got.
There is so much potential left for land before time stories that do not contain elements that don't belong into LBT. And I'm talking of long, good stories here, which are full of new ideas rather than being mere repetitions of what we have seen in the movies already. Why is it that nobody tries to write such stories?

Well, like I said, even with such things you can make a good story, regardless.  One such fic I've read is Pokemon Master. (A Pikachu turning into a sword?  Yeah right!) Despite everything within a story that is meant to turn away readers who stick too close to the basic nature of the subject, the writer did such a good job, that it hardly mattered.  And get this, it was the first Dark Pokemon fanfic made.  It had everything that could basically destroy it and made it live. (That's a big accomplishment in the end.)

As for sex in the land before time stories, I know there are many such stories "focused" on this and I agree with you about them being rather disgusting. The fact that puts me of from considering sexual descriptions in the land before time is that the characters are KIDS! Would not describing anything "going on" between them (anything more physical than what is going on between Ali and Littlefoot) be close to pedophile fantasies? Kids are taboo!!!
I also seriously doubt that anything between the grownup LBT characters could be involved for "purposes" different from the purposes of the writers of the stories you described as disgusting yourself.
But apart from my stand on this in combination with the land before time I think that I think more liberal about sexuality than you do.

Well then, I must say that all the charcters that are involved with the sex thing are all grown up in my fic.  When it comes to sex, it must be done maturely.  You only attract perverts if you put in something like that with no purpose whatsoever.  With sex, either make there be a soul or forget it.

I definitely disagree with your statement:
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In all truth, sex is only right if it's to start a family.

But this I think is a topic for the After midnight forum rather than this one.[/QUOTE]

Sorry, that was a religious opinion of mine taken a bit too far.  Very sorry there.

Well, there is one point we can not leave out to discovering a few things about the twins.

They call Cera "Auntie Ceri."

As hard as it may be to believe, (due to Cera's age) there is a chance that Cera is their Aunt.

With this piece of information, it ends up making one believe that Cera does have a brother/sister that is older than her and has a family.  There is a chance they are related in that sense.  Whoever it was, must've mated with a different speices of Triceratops that was still compatable. Thus, the birth of the twins.

So, I believe that Dinah and Dana are the direct niece and nephew of Cera, despite their slight differences.