The Gang of Five
The Land Before Time => General Land Before Time => Topic started by: Megatoph on April 06, 2006, 08:59:04 PM
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where is she theysead she'll return
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Little is known about a return of our beloved Ali, sadly. There is no word of Ali returning in LBT 12. We can only hope she makes a guest appearance in the TV series, or possibly LBT 13.
I do have my doubts on LBT 13 though.
I am a little disappointed though, I must say. After all, LBT 4 contained two (well, 3 sort of) clear promises of Ali's return someday.
1) Ali's statement at the end, "Maybe We'll all live together someday."
2) The "echoing" voice of Ali at the very end of the shadowy clips at the end.
3) The narrator's closing words, "...would indeed meet Ali again one day. But that's another story."
It would be a real shame to see all of these as meaningless. :(
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-_- well the story teller sead that she'd returned and so far nothin i tell ya this much the if they dont bring her back there be a lot of verry displeased fans
oh sorry i was respond ing to you first reply
but your right universal shouldent play with someones head they should defently quit ther screwin around and bring her back
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or at least have her return and stay in the great valley this way she'll be in the series
also as you sead action9000 its a bad idia for lbt creators to make such a fib
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I'd be content if they would simply show Ali once more. Whether or not she stays as a permanent resident of the Great Valley (which would change the series forever) isn't my main concern. I just hope they don't forget about her completely. I'm hoping the writers are waiting for an appropriate time to bring her back.
I do believe that, however, if Ali was to live in the Great Valley, it may or may not be taken well by the audience. After all, fans are used to the Gang as it is. Changing it up at this late stage to include a permanent 6th member, as loved as Ali is, I wonder if it would be "too much of a good thing."
Remember, "keep the audience wanting more." We want to see Ali again. Would this still be true had she been around all this time? Would she complicate the series? Would her permanent place in the series take away from the effect of the Gang as it is now?
Remember that the Gang of Five, has been together since the very first film. They found their way to the Great Valley together. I'm not saying that the journey they Gang had with Ali in LBT 4 wasn't as important. It certainly was an inportant journey, to find the Night Flower to save Littlefoot's Grandpa. I just wonder if changing the gang that started it all, would be for the best of the series.
I think I'd prefer to see Ali as an occasional guest character, maybe once or twice during the TV series, or perhaps in one more movie. Making Ali a permanent resident of the Great Valley may not be in everyone's best interest.
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or possibly LBT 13
They're makin a 13? :o Or are you just saying "If they did make a 13th"? :P:
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They're makin a 13?
From what I've heard, a 13 has been more-or-less announced, but no work has been done on it. Could someone correct me on this if I'm wrong, please?
Malte? Anyone? Thanks :lol
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I do believe that, however, if Ali was to live in the Great Valley, it may or may not be taken well by the audience. After all, fans are used to the Gang as it is. Changing it up at this late stage to include a permanent 6th member, as loved as Ali is, I wonder if it would be "too much of a good thing."
Remember, "keep the audience wanting more." We want to see Ali again. Would this still be true had she been around all this time? Would she complicate the series? Would her permanent place in the series take away from the effect of the Gang as it is now?
Remember that the Gang as it is now, has been together since the very first film. They found their way to the Great Valley together. I'm not saying that the journey they Gang had with Ali in LBT 4 wasn't as important. It certainly was an inportant journey, to find the Night Flower to save Littlefoot's Grandpa. I just wonder if changing the gang that started it all, would be for the best of the series.
I think I'd prefer to see Ali as an occasional guest character, maybe once or twice during the TV series, or perhaps in one more movie. Making Ali a permanent resident of the Great Valley may not be in everyone's best interest.
Well said :D hehe, I completely agree with you there.
Also, I just heard that they were making a 12th one and then the TV-Series would be the end. But if they are making a 13th, I'm going to jump for joy on my bed hehe
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By the way, my reference for that information is here:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/26773/messa...40548808/LBT+13 (http://www.network54.com/Forum/26773/message/1140548808/LBT+13)
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ofcorce the idia that ali becoming a 6th member would be a big risk and would either make the series better or become a mistake but if she would be used like in other series be used like other charactors that would make a apperance in different episodes.as a co-star
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I just wish she would be in the next movie. I kinda miss her.
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Oh, btw TITAN, I got your other picture, it's just as good.
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By the way, my reference for that information is here:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/26773/messa...40548808/LBT+13 (http://www.network54.com/Forum/26773/messa...40548808/LBT+13)
*jumps for joy* hehe, Yes! :D
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thanks i hope you could read the top of it ok
oh uh any news on lbt 12 i in such exitment usualy the twelth movie means good results much like friday the 13th although that series havent made as much movies but does still hold out much like lbt
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Btw, TITAN. Have you checked out my story, Time Gate X on FanFiction.net?
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not yet ive been trying to get to the sit but i get an error messege as soon as i get there but i found out that ive been spelling the site wrong but dont worry ill see it.
BTW have you figured out who that is in the pic i emailed ya today
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I have a feeling it's Littlefoot's mother. You told me about her being a cyborg and all yesterday so I had a feeling it was her
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I think addind Ali as as a sixth member would be a good thing. Since she became friends with everyone by the end of LBT 4, I'm sure the gang would gladly welcome her into the fold. An interesting scenario would be Ali meeting Chomper.
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your right its her but i still see a lot of design flaws in her armer but your right its her the two canons on her bake now that was tuff to draw
thats another thing what ever happend to chomper we see him in lbt 5 but thats it also i'd think the first thing ali would do if she meets chomper is run away
just in asumption (wow i didnt even think i knew that word)
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I heard Chomper was going to be included in the TV series.
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wow realy cool but its how he'll be presented that worry me and the fact that the perents dont even know who chomper is but id doubt the creators would represent chomper in this way.
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My concern though, is the fact that the cast, and even the director has changed over since LBT 4, when Ali was last introduced. Perhaps the new development team has no plans for Ali whatsoever. :(
Anyways, regarding Chomper.
As long as they can explain how the heck he got off that island, or why the Gang went to visit him, it won't be so bad. I just sincerely hope they don't magically transport him into the Great Valley to be with the Gang of (six? Ugh... I still don't like the sound of that).
I fail to see how they could execute the use of Chomper's character as a relatively major cast member. He is too far away from the other main characters' homeland. If they do include Chomper on a regular basis (which in a way I hope they don't, for a similar reason as Ali, explained above), I hope they put him in logical plots.
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Yes, there will be a 13. land before time movie. You need not take my word for it. It is already mentioned on Aria's webpage (a very tiny note in the list (http://www.starmania.com/AriaCurzon/resume.htm) of movies in which she has performed respectively is going to perform). You will find the following line there:
The Land Before Time 5-13 Lead (Ducky) - MCA Universal
And yes, Chomper too is going to be part of the TV series, but with a new voice.
Personally I would really like to see Ali again (there is no whatsoever information that there are any plans about her), yet I agree that she should not be made a permanent member of the Gang of Five. The producers have been very careful about adding permanent characters to the series (I can't think of a single one). In case of Bron they seemed to take a real effort to keep him out. There would have been no way not to mention him (as Littlefoot's Dad he would be too important) in future stories if he had accompanied them to the Great Valley (while other characters such as Mr. Thicknose, Dinah, Dana, Pat, Hyp, Nod, Mud etc. are simply not mentioned anymore). So they had to send him away with a very poor excuse.
With so much efforts to keep the gang of five a gang of FIVE I don't expect that there will be any permanent characters though I wouldn't rule out the possibility for good.
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Yes, Chomper is going to be in the TV series. It was confirmed in one of the first announcements of the TV series. It did say that Littlefoot, Cera, Ducky, Petrie, Spike and Chomper would be having new never before seen adventures.
Ali returning as a pernament part of the series I would like to have happen, though it would change the series forever. Besides, a good amount of people like the idea of a Littlefoot&Ali romance. :lol: (Just about every fanfiction you see on fanfiction.net has a hint for them.)
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Of course it would alter the series, but then again, if the situation is handled well, the impact would be minor. Like I said before Ali became friends with everyone before she left, so expanding the gang to include her would make sense. Any relationship between her and Littlefoot would only be hinted at, after all the main focus of the series is younger kids. The older diehards can smile, nudge and wink at the undertones, but any relationship would be cast as simply that of two good friends. Remember how bringing Bron in was supposed to change the series? that character was not handled well imo.
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Well, you are one of the most vivid supporters of romance ideas in LBT pokeplayer. While I do not oppose the idea of romance in LBT in general and while I do think there are some indications in some of the movies I sometimes think that you are seeing some where there aren't any.
Having a very close relationship with Ali would definitely alter Littlefoot's relationship to the others as well. If there was a kind of romance Ali couldn't simply be treated just like any other character. I have very often laid out my impression of a "sandbox-love" between Littlefoot and Ali. I do oppose anything much more serious than the undertones Nick already mentioned.
They are kids; that we mustn't forget!
I'm not prudish, but there shouldn't be anything like the content of many fanfiction in the land before time movies. We can take it for granted that there won't be.
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To be sure, malte, any romance between them would only be hinted at, very subtly. Like I said, if handled correctly the channge would be minor. These are kids, after all. "love' is understood by them only in simple terms. They love thier their parents, and those are the only creatures that they 'love'. We could say (being mature people) that they love each other as well, but they don't say it aloud. it's more of an unspoken understanding.
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Essay time! :P:
Yes, Chomper is going to be in the TV series. It was confirmed in one of the first announcements of the TV series. It did say that Littlefoot, Cera, Ducky, Petrie, Spike and Chomper would be having new never before seen adventures.
At this point, it will be difficult to say just how often Chomper will be included in the series, but he is another case where I hope he doesn't become a permanent member of the Gang, for a number of reasons. First of all, being a sharptooth, he would not generally be welcome in the Great Valley. Second of all, if he was there, chances are his parents would also be there. I fail to see a logical way to move full-grown sharpteeth into the Great Valley permanently.
Another possibility is that Chomper's parents are killed, or Chomper is seperated from them for some reason. I am then curious as to how Chomper would make it all the way to the Great Valley without his parents. Not to mention, I doubt Chomper knows the way to the Great Valley (unless the Gang told him in detail how they got to his island, when they met him again in LBT 5, in a scene the audience didn't see).
As long as
1) They don't make Chomper a permanent member of the Gang, in most or all episodes, and
2) They don't magically transport anyone anywhere,
I'll be happy. :D
Having a very close relationship with Ali would definitely alter Littlefoot's relationship to the others as well. If there was a kind of romance Ali couldn't simply be treated just like any other character. I have very often laid out my impression of a "sandbox-love" between Littlefoot and Ali.
I see where you're coming from, however I still can't believe in a relationship between Littlefoot and Ali as being as strong as the relationships between Littlefoot and Cera, Ducky, Petrie, and Spike. I get this impression for a few reasons, such as:
- Littlefoot and the rest of the Gang are often thinking of each other. For example, when Spike leaves, the Gang feels hurt and Ducky especially misses him very much. The Gang is concerned about him until the very end, when Spike's herd stumbles across the Great Valley dinosaurs' hot springs. I will admit this is not necessarily a fair arguement because Ali leaves at the very end of LBT 4, leaving no time for anyone to feel her "loss". If we take a look into the series, however, Ali is Never again mentioned by any members of the Gang, including Littlefoot. That makes me wonder just how close they really are to Ali. They didn't know her as well as they know each other. I'm sure Littlefoot would like to see her again, but there is no evidence of this. Another problem with this arguement is that we don't know how much time passes between LBT 4 and 5, etc. As we may have heard, "Time heals all wounds." If a year or so passed, I can see that maybe they Gang had "moved on" regarding Ali.
If Littlefoot did feel as close as even the beginnings of "love" or even "sandbox love" as mentioned previously, I would have expected him to mention Something relating to her at some point. There have been 7 movies and 8 years (LBT 4 was 1996, LBT 11 was 2004) since Littlefoot has seen her. I suppose after this long (though we don't know how long this actually is, in LBT-time), there is a chance that Littlefoot has lost much of his connection with her.
What does seem slightly odd though, is that she is never mentioned in the more recent films to LBT 4 (LBT 5, 6). I would have figured that Littlefoot or somebody would have mentioned her at some point.
Another possibility though, is there hasn't exactly been a time in conversation where the characters would talk about Ali. They're generally distracted by something larger (lack of food, reunion with an old friend, enquiring into Doc's history, 'fixing' the bad luck) so that the relationship to Ali simply fell on the back burner in their minds. I can basically accept this as justification as to why Ali is never mentioned in later films.
Littlefoot and the Gang only knew Ali for a short while. Her herd arrived in the Great Valley in daylight. That same night, they set off for the Valley of Mists, they spent a full day getting there, and were home the next morning. They knew each other existed for a grand total of approximately 48 hours before Ali's herd departed from the Great Valley.
I can certainly see a friendship relationship beginning to grow after such time, but I doubt that the kind of love that endears the hearts of the Gang together could be as strong between Littlefoot and Ali, after such a short time together.
Then again, on the opposite end of the arguement, Littlefoot does seem relatively quick to bond with and make relationships with others. We saw this as early as his first meetings with Cera, Ducky, Petrie, Spike, Chomper, and later on, Doc, Mo, Shorty, and even Skitter. He seems quick to accept and enjoy spending time with new friends. Chances are, his relationship with Ali is no different. For Littlefoot, it seems, 48 hours is more than enough time to build a strong relationship. He is willing to accept others for who they are (eg. Chomper) and offers his help when he can (eg. helping Ali understand how different kinds of dinosaurs can be good friends, too).
Comparatively though, Littlefoot has known, grown with, and spent large amounts of time with the rest of the Gang for years (?). He has still only spent less than 48 hours with Ali, and even less than that, with just the two of them, one on one.
Even so, the love between Littlefoot and the Rest of the Gang is still probably on a higher, closer level than the love between Littlefoot and Ali. If Littlefoot were to run into another female longneck, I suspect a similar situation to Littlefoot and Ali's would occur. He would be interested in making friends relatively quickly, and would be excited to introduce her to the rest of the Gang. We seem to believe that this relationship between Littlefoot and Ali is particularily special. I'm sure it has a lot of value for both characters, but compared to what may happen if another female longneck comes along, it's hard to say. It's a difficult topic because we have never seen Littlefoot's behaviour with any other female longnecks his age. Just because she's the only one he's ever met, doesn't necessarily say that the two have a special relationship any different from the rest of their friends.
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A long post Action and here's my rebuttal. They spent more than 48 hours together, a pasing herd would at least spend a few days in the valley before moving on. also,Remember that Grandpa told Littlefoot that if he didn't make it, for Littlefoot and Grandma to go with Ali's herd. So there was the very real possibility of him leaving.
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Futhermore, Cera would be so ticked if they only played together once or twice. We can assume that Littlefoot played with ali several times straight, maybe a week or so, before Cera's comments.
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I'll watch LBT 4 again tonight and post a response after that. I need to check up on all the details :lol
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You do have several very good points Tim.
The possibility that the relationship between Littlefoot and Ali is generally overestimated has never been discussed before.
I suppose that in this case very much is up to opinion and interpretation of possibilities the movie did not tell about.
Action9000 wrote:
They knew each other existed for a grand total of approximately 48 hours before Ali's herd departed from the Great Valley.
Nick22 wrote:
They spent more than 48 hours together, a pasing herd would at least spend a few days in the valley before moving on.
I think neither of this can be taken for granted. Tim is certainly right about approximately 48 hours being the time presented to us in the movie. However, there might have been a certain time (possibly several days) between the healing of Littlefoot's grandfather and the departing of the herd. There was a change of scene and we don't learn anything about the time that may or may not have passed between the two scenes. The old one mentioned that the herd never stays anywhere for a very long time, but on the other hand just moving in one day and moving out the next without even resting properly doesn't seem a very likely thing to do for a herd.
While I do think that indeed Littlefoot and the others knew Ali only for a very short time it may well be that they knew each other for a few more days than we know of. They certainly know each other longer than they know Chomper who (inspite of appearing in two movies already) is there for no more than 24 hours (unless you count the time before his hatching in LBT 2). Considering the special difficulties of their relationship, this too could work out as a hint to the fact that they all make friends rather quickly.
As for the time in LBT, I often have a problem with the timing and LBT 4 is the best example. The extremely short time it takes for Littlefoot and the others to go to the land of mists, find the nightflower and get back, is seriously interfering with one of the LBT stories I'm planing on. Unless I want the plot of that story to be squeezed into an even shorter timespan (and I don't want to) I must consider presenting a different distance from the Great Valley to the land of mists than the distance presented in LBT 4. Anyway, I'm straying from the topic.
Futhermore, Cera would be so ticked if they only played together once or twice. We can assume that Littlefoot played with ali several times straight, maybe a week or so, before Cera's comments.
Unless I'm really confusing something, this is a possibility that can be ruled out. Cera was reserved against Ali right after their first meeting. The illness of Littlefoot's grandfather was already showing signs on the morning Ali's herd arrived in the Valley. I consider it almost 100% certain that the real outbreak of the illness was the very same evening. There is absolutely NO indication that there was any more time Littlefoot and Ali had together before they set out to the land of mist. If Littlefoot and Ali had more time together than we know of, it would be after the adventure of LBT 4 and before the herd's departure.
If we take a look into the series, however, Ali is Never again mentioned by any members of the Gang, including Littlefoot. That makes me wonder just how close they really are to Ali. They didn't know her as well as they know each other.
While it is obvious that Littlefoot and the others know each other much longer and better than Ali I don't think that the fact of Ali being never mentioned again is an indication for the possibility that they don't care as much about each other as is usually supposed. One "cruel" fact is that it is not Littlefoot nor any of the others who is telling us the stories. The stories are told by film makers and what does not contribute to the plot of a movie is simply not included into it. It is for that reason (and no other) that we never ever heard a word again from the many permanent residents to the Great Valley who appeared in only one movie. Unless we assume that every single one of them (including little Dinah and Dana) just left the Great Valley and was forgotten immediately we must assume that they are still around. If nevertheless they are kept out of the movie then the only reason for this is, that the film makers don't have any use for them in the stories. Now take a look at LBT 5 to 11 the way they are, not the way they could have been (usually meeting Ali again would have been a logical consequence of all the longnecks moving to that crater. Obviously not all were there after all). Is there any movie in which a depiction of Littlefoot thinking or talking about Ali would have contributed to the story? Certainly not. This is no proof however he or the others don't think or speak about her at other times or without us being aware of it.
Even so, the love between Littlefoot and the Rest of the Gang is still probably on a higher, closer level than the love between Littlefoot and Ali.
I would rather say that (if indeed there is a kind of sand-box love between Littlefoot and Ali) that would make it a different rather than a higher or lower level from the relationship of Littlefoot and the others. But I think I know what you mean. The fact that Littlefoot and the others have gone through so much more and have spend so much more time together certainly is a fact that mustn't be ignored. However, I think that the fact that Littlefoot and Ali are of the same species mustn't be ignored either (well, you didn't ignore it). So far we had very, very few cases of one of the LBT main characters interacting with members of the own species. It almost seems like either there weren't so many longnecks in the Great Valley as Littlefoot's mother had expected in the first movie or else Littlefoot is simply not interested in them (which again would support the theory of Littlefoot feeling more than just the ordinary every day kind of friendship for Ali).
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hay guys sorry i couldent reply for a while i wanted to but i had some movies siting on the table and i wanted to whatch them.
but im back and ill tell you one theory i came up with about the love relationship(if there is one)between littlefoot and ali in my opinion its like a relationship where ali loves littlefoot but littlefoot doesent know it also she gives away lots of indication for such love when ever she looks at littlefoot for instance its clear she isnt looking at him normaly also even before she became friends with the gang she would show this infection for him so in simple terms its girl loves boy and boy is clueless thats my opinion
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Love is a very strong word Titan. and should not be used carelessly. Does she care for littlefoot? Yes. but Love is IMO too strong to describe her feelings.
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sorry didnt know but your right its a strong word and a powerfull one also if you dont mind me asking how did we get from the return of ali to a relationship between ali and littlefoot anyways im not trying to be a hard head im just asking in curiosity but i still go with my opinion
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One person who wrote a fanfic interpreted that Ali had been taught the lessons of the past. The old ruling of keeping to your own kind made her afraid to become friends with other herds and not feel superior to the others as the lessons were meant to do. She definately showed the fear when she met the rest of the gang for the first time. (Hiding under Littlefoot was just screaming fear.)
Though if this is true, it would highly explain why she was only interested in making friends with Littlefoot.
However, this interpretation causes a small problem that can't be ruled out. It's turning towards the ones she fears for help when Littlefoot is nearly buried alive by a rockslide. Under normal circumstances one would not turn to those they fear for help.
Granted they are his friends and that possibly made it a little easier, but it takes alot of courage to ask for help from those you fear. Love is said to bring alot of courage when it really matters. So love is a possibility that gave her the courage she needed to ask Littlefoot's friends for help.
This is one of the hints I have found by myself in LBT 4.
And yes, Malte, I am most possibly the one who fantasises about romance in LBT the most on this board. I just love romance too much. :)
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TITANOSAUR may be right about Ali's feelings for Littlefoot come closer to love than Littlefoot's.
(I don't think "care" can be used as an alternative word in this context Nick. Everyone in the gang cares about Littlefoot and yet there is something different about the relationship between Ali and Littlefoot. Something that may have been overrated for a long time as Action9000 pointed out, but nevertheless something different from the friendship with the others.)
Remember this scene after Ali left when she first met Cera and the others? She is looking at Littlefoot in this funny way and Littlefoot says "Oh gee..." In the German translation he says something that (if translated back to English) would come closer to "Oh dear!" As if he was almost a little frightened. That look of Ali's tells Littlefoot something but apparently he is not a hundred percent certain what to make of it.
Also it is mainly Ali and Cera who are exchanging sort of spiteful looks on a few occassions behind Littlefoot's back. Littlefoot appears to be blissfully unaware of this.
One person who wrote a fanfic interpreted that Ali had been taught the lessons of the past.
There are many fanfictions which in my opinion go way too far! I have been rumbling about that very un-LBT like fanfictions many times. I persist to think of the relationship between Littlefoot and Ali as a kind of sandbox-love not comparable to the relationships between older dinosaurs. Remember, they are kids!
Nevertheless it may well be that in the homogenous herd of longnecks Ali may have learned more about love than Littlefoot did in the Great Valley (he is unaware that EVERY child has both, a mother and a father). There is another interesting point about Ali being part of that herd. Even though they never bother to show any other longneck kid I take it for granted that there must be other young longnecks with that herd (same as I take it there would have to be other young longnecks in the Great Valley). But apparently Ali is more "interested" (sorry, I don't know of a better term) in Littlefoot. Perhaps this is just because he is not with the herd. I wouldn't be surprised if Ali would settle down at some place as beautiful than the Great Valley rather than always taking the toils and risks of migrating. This may be included into her legendary quote "The world is changing. Maybe we'll all live together some day." I think I have written on this elsewhere, already. Perhaps Ali is under the impression that in the long run all the migrating herds will try to settle down somewhere if there is a place that provides enough food even in the long run. Maybe Littlefoot's being so different by having learned other habits (for example his way to live with other kinds) made him more interesting for Ali, while that kind of interest was not on Littlefoot's end (as he is quite happy to live in the Great Valley and shows a certain reluctance against the herd life, or at least against the leadership of the Old One).
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the fact that there can or is such relationship between the two wouldent be such a bad idia in most cases the fact that there kids usualy isnt thought of in relationships in japan even children are put in sictuations when there parents deside who there children are going to marry although no such evedence has been found in lbt it wouldent leed any one to think such relationship isnt possible.even in a early age
:) also if your goin to use a short name for me use david it is my origanal name k B) :^.^: just not to often
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I would love too see Ali at least in one more movie. I don't know about her joining the Great Valley though a lot of people are used too just the five of them. About Little Foot and Ali being in a relationship. I don't know about that. I mean when Little Foot and Ali met in number 4 there was no sign whatsoever of Littlefoot and Ali being more then friends. And I'm just not too sure if it's for the best if Ali comes back and Little Foot now wants her as a girlfriend. But having Ali in another movie would be great.
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As much as I've love to see Ali make her seemingly over-subscribed return (I mean that in a good way), I don't play on the idea of a love relationship between her and Littlefoot. As Malte and Nick said before, there must be a childish attraction there but nothing so strong for them to form a relationship bond as in life-long partners. Also, I reckon that the idea of Ali becoming a 6th party member to the gang would be slightly edgy. I think that these specific breeds of dinos were selected for a reason i.e. they're all different. If Ali suddenly became another member, the weighted balance of characters breeds would be tipped towards that of the longnecks. To me, it seems as though the longnecks seem to have some means of mental superiority over the other breeds of dinos in the GV, eg Grandpa and Grandma Longneck have been on a few occasions, regarded as the leaders of the Great Valley (from others I've spoken to). We all know that this is not true as Grandpa says in LBT 7 "Then, as now, we made an agreement as a group. No one opinion out-weighing the other." Dominance is too strong a descriptive word because it is not a display of "who rules over the others" but particularly with the longnecks (i.e. LF's grandparents) they seem to be the wisest, more knowledgeable and open-minded about situations (e.g. Doc entering the valley, Pterano's sentencing (Grandpa longneck stating the punishment) etc. all besides Mr. Thicknose) They seem to be the leadership "qualities".
Relating this back to Ali, somehow I think a careful balance has had to have been considered regarding Ali. If she popped up in every LBT flick at some point...she'd most likely be considered as a member of the group skewing the proportion of breeds 2:1. Therefore, enhancing the "dominance" (don't like that word but can't think of any other) of longnecks. And in doing that, I reckon the power in the group could be somewhat dwindled as they all had to learn to accept their differences as individual breeds, overcome their biases and prejudices to achieve a common goal. As in the first LBT movie
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I guess we all agree on one point: Ali should return either on a new movie, or in the TV series, so that the promess is kept.
English is a very tricky language, the usage of the word love can have all kinds of meanings, and not the only one of romance. Now, as kids grow up they usually pair out with other people and call them their girlfriend or boyfriend even if there is nothing remotely similar to love, and Littlefoot and Ali, are kids, as much as I prefer to see them as mature characters the series has taken its turn to make them more childish, for that in my opinion there has been a slight decrease in quality since lbt 4. I would be opened for a relationship between Ali and Littlefoot, it existing would be just a more tight friendship than the one Littlefoot experiences with the rest of the gang and nothing more. I agree with Littlefoot1616, there would be some sort of unbalance in the equilibrium created amongst the gang, but still I'd love it if Ali could stay in the great valley or become a more often guest star, I can't see any wrong coming out of it.
As for LBT 4, I do agree with Malte that it makes no sense for a herd to come to the great valley and leave in a couple of days, expecially after a long journey, they probably rested for at least a week, and I do believe that is enough time to form a ever lasting relationship (take it as friendship =p).
As for Grandpa and Grandma Longneck being the "leaders" of the valley, we'll I've been studying a bit of psychology, and I've just finished a work about the accomplishments of late life. We might take it for granted, but most of the world leaders were and are people of over 60 years old. Grandma and Granpa are clearly the most elderly dinosaurs in the valley, and seem very experienced and wise, so it's only natural the others will listen to them and seem themas some sort of guidance counselers (not sure on the spelling =x).
I have a theory about the how they're going to take Chomper off that island. If you remember LBT 5, Chomper says that there isn't much food on the island, so him and his parents have no reason to stay. Furthermore, I guess that land strip that helped the gang to reach the island isn't permantly gone, it's just probably underwater for a period of time due to a rise in the tides, and maybe it only shows up a few months a year, and when it reappears Chomper and his parents will seize their chance. I also believe that Chomper knows the way back to the great valley, he was born there, and came from there to the island, he might not know how to get in, but he and his parents surely know where it is.
Another theory is that we must look at the big picture. Through out the lbt's from 4 to 11, we have witnessed weird phenomenons, there is something happening to the planet, maybe the final extinction of the dinosaurs? I don't know where they are going with that, but it could make a very interesting ending for the land before time series, the gang, all the fokes in the great valley and all the dino's they met over the years, coming together to find the last safe haven on earth, maybe they would have to move out of the valley for survival, or maybe that safe haven is the valley, something around this, to finish what they were trying to start with the first movie. For a planet that was overgoing some tough changes they seemed to find many green areas out-side the valley, what if that is changing? I hope they try to make something out of this, make it a more mature plot and find a suitable ending for the series, I really can't see the lbt lasting forever, 11 movies is more than enough, and maybe the only thing that's keeping them together, their D. Sebastian (look up on portuguese history to get where I'm going with this =p) is the return of Ali.
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in response littlefoot, Ali's addition would only slightly tilt the makeup of the group, yes there would be more longnecks, but the others still make up a bigger part of the group. In any case, I don't think that Ducky Petrie and Spike would care one bit that Ali has joined them, indeed I think they would start building relationships with her.
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In any case, I don't think that Ducky Petrie and Spike would care one bit that Ali has joined them, indeed I think they would start building relationships with her.
Oh yeah for sure Nick! I don't deny that for a second! I'm just mentioning that I reckon the idea of all 5 of the gang being different was decided for a very specific reason is all. I never said that the concept couldn't work! I'm sure the gang and Ali would get together like a house on fire (a phrase from my housemate...his words :P: ). But in somehow, I just think the bond between the gang would be "weakened" slightly if there was an uneven ratio of species within the group. I think that is their strongest standing ground. I'm not saying Ali's bad news! Far from it! I just reckon it's better off this way with Ali possibly making guest visits every now and again rather than her being a permanent member of the gang. :)
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You raise a good point Littlefoot.. but to be honest I don't see where ali's addition would weaken the bond between Littlefoot and the gang. They've been through so much together that their bond is very very strong. their bond would easily survive the addition of ali, and any weakening that happens would be temporary. In the long term the bonds that are built between Ali and the rest of the gang would ore than make up for any initial weakening.
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presicly it wouldnt make any diffrence if ali does join but the idia is such a larg step and the fact that the gangs bonds are so high it wouldnt make any diffrence also sence the gang has already excepted her as a friend theres no sence to beleave that they wouldent excepte her as part of the gang and the fact that there can be a relationship between ali and littlefoot also doesnt mean that it cant happen and the fact that there kids still has no factor in the equation as i said in my last reply any relation is plausible at any age it doesnt matter but the idia that the two would have such a relationship is also a big step but in my opinion would be an important role in the series cause i seriusly doubt that there going to have littlefoot go through his life without a companion that fills the void that the others can not fill
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Of course Titan, but that is a long way off... at the moment I think adding ali as a permanent sixth member would be enough change. We don't want to ruin the series by turning it all mushy :P:
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:yes of caurse your right also the idia realy is a good step forward havig ali as a 6th member would be a big chang wether or not its good or bad in many opinions this chang would be good but sometimes chang can have its coniquences
( :blink: did i spell that right)and your also right that sence the wrighters have made the series for kids they have no intention of making it mushy like other shows and wont use the idia for some time
:D and you can call me david ok just dont use it to often only when you going to use a short name for me
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Ok David, I usually address people by their alias names. :P: Habit of mine
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to me its good to have habits it makes you who you are in my expirence
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At any rate, Ali will not be in 12, LBT 13 is a possibility, maybe 14. I hold out more hope for her being put in the series, especially if the series does well.
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i hate to chang the subject but i have a question how can i post pictures so i can show them in one setting without having to email them can you tell me
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The only way you may post pictures now, is through another website (like your own image host). This is because the Gang of Five has reached its upload limit, and there is simply no space available to upload more images. Uploading directly at the Gang of Five has been Disabled until further notice.
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ok but i can just simply email them thats easy for me but to email the same pic is tiring for me do to all the clicking or just send them to roger for his opinion
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I do think that the constant presence of another character would interfere seriously with the land before time as we knew it all along. In a German LBT magazine of 2000 / 2001 (most regretably it wasn't continued after the first four issues) they had a comic in which the impression was raised that Chomper was a permanent member of the group. Apparently Cera's father didn't mind his presence.
I admit that this is a bad example as in Chomper's case there is a problem different from the one we would have should Ali be made a permanent member. There is this inequality in the number of representatives of a single species which Littlefoot1616 pointed out already. At first sight it might appear like we were talking about some kind of government which seems entirely inappropriate when dealing with a group of dinosaurs. However it is very likely that Littlefoot and Ali would agree on many issues and would form a kind of "fraction" within the group while the others are largely "on their own" with their individual opinions.
Have you been around good friends before and after they got a girl- / boy-friend? Have you been around them while their partners where there too? There is a difference in behaviour on both ends. Even when we give credit to the fact that they are still kids so such a change in behaviour would not be as distinct as in case of teenagers or young adults I still think it would create a very different mood in LBT. Therefore I'm looking forward to see Ali again but would be very sceptical at least about any plans to make her a permanent character.
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You mean a faction? Yes there is that possibility, however, I think that once the relationships are built up between Ali and the others (Cera, Ducky etc) the group would adapt to the changes. In other words, the rest of the group would get used to the changes in the relationships they have made. Also remember that there may be disagreements between Littlefoot and Ali, indeed there would be. All relationships, on every level, have diagreements and arguments.So we cannot say that just because there are two longnecks that they will agree on everything. Indeed I think that adding ali would expand the wide range of personalities in the group. When we first saw Ali, she was shy, andreluctant to be friends with anyone but other longnecks. When she left, she had been changed, she was more accepting of others.
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You mean a faction? Yes there is that possibility, however, I think that once the relationships are built up between Ali and the others (Cera, Ducky etc) the group would adapt to the changes. In other words, the rest of the group would get used to the changes in the relationships they have made. Also remember that there may be disagreements between Littlefoot and Ali, indeed there would be. All relationships, on every level, have diagreements and arguments.So we cannot say that just because there are two longnecks that they will agree on everything. Indeed I think that adding ali would expand the wide range of personalities in the group. When we first saw Ali, she was shy, andreluctant to be friends with anyone but other longnecks. When she left, she had been changed, she was more accepting of others.
Funny you should metion them arguring, as I'll be having them argue in my fic, Dark Future, quite a good amount.
Oh, and no matter what you guys say, you will NOT sway me away from my opinion of the Littlefoot&Ali relationship. Though I feel I'm trying to sway you onto mine. I'll stop now. :)
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We're not going to try :P: i actuallu agree that there may be something there, but 'romance' is out of the question for now. Perhaps when they get older and mature, but definitely not now? I doubt, when we were kids that we had any idea what 'love' is, apart from the 'love' we felt for our parents and they felt for us. littlefoot and the gang are no different, although Ali perhaps has been told about 'love' by her mother while they were traveling with the herd. Since we can prove that with any certainty, it must remain only a guess.
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Too bad we have to wait so long for her... waited for 7 movies to see a come-back of her. I really doubt if they will bring Ali back.. But still from deep inside i still really want to see her again onscreen.
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she's coming back in my LBT story. but as a perminant charactor :D .
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ok but i can just simply email them thats easy for me but to email the same pic is tiring for me do to all the clicking or just send them to roger for his opinion
Why would you need my opinion to post pictures? Register at photobucket, imageshack, etc. and you can mostly post whatever you want.
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BTW roger did you get that email I sent ya here wile back I hope its the right email address?
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No...I haven't gotten anything. :unsure: Where did you send it to?
If you sent it to anything besides araychel@gmail.com I won't get it.
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ah damn I sent it to the wrong address slage well it wasnt any thing important now any ways what is you email so I can send a messege to ya?
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anywho I plan on having Ali in my story and yes there will be a relationship between her and Littlefoot.I like the idea which is why Im using the idea.
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ah damn I sent it to the wrong address slage well it wasnt any thing important now any ways what is you email so I can send a messege to ya?
araychel@gmail.com
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araychel@gmail.com I had arcarial@gmail.com I wonder what was wrong I'll send ya a drawin.