The Gang of Five

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Title: Is there anyone in LBT that you would call evil?
Post by: LittlefootAndAliTogether on February 18, 2015, 12:21:11 AM
I wonder, considering that most villains seem to be just hungry predators, are there any in LBT that you could actually say are, well, evil?

I do worry about Chomper's parents.  I mean, that seems very cold to suggest, when your kid invites some friends over for dinner, or says he is going to, to reply "Sure, we could use some dessert."

 :wow  :wow  :wow  :wow  :wow

That almost does sound evil, if you really think about it.

(Note, this thread isn't really about them, but I thought I'd bring up that oddity.)
Title: Is there anyone in LBT that you would call evil?
Post by: Coyote_A on February 18, 2015, 01:35:08 AM
I think that Chomper's parents just thought their son was joking about the whole "friends with leaf eaters" thing and didn't take it seriously. As for really evil characters I can recall plenty, such as the original sharptooth, Ozzy and Strut or Red Claw from the TV series.
Title: Is there anyone in LBT that you would call evil?
Post by: LittlefootAndAliTogether on February 18, 2015, 02:36:25 AM
I actually find it hard, as stated from just the film, to show Sharptooth himself as eviller than any of the other guys that tried to eat the Gang of Five.

Now, Red Claw, on the other hand, if he's willing to stoop to cannibalism, then he's pretty bad.

As for Chomper's parents, what is so alarming is that Chomper could have had Fast Biter friends for all they knew.  They didn't smell Littlefoot until after they had said that line.   There's no reason to assume that they knew he was even mentioning Leaf Eaters.

Besides, the look on his face says it all.  If he thought they were kidding around, he'd have probably shown them the Gang of Five rather than hide them in the Stinky Place.  Especially as his parents had said that they already had something for dinner so the kids wouldn't be in immediate danger, er, would they?  

Also, I don't find Strut that evil.  More misguided and bullied.   Ozzy, he's a whole nother story!   :lol
Title: Is there anyone in LBT that you would call evil?
Post by: Coyote_A on February 18, 2015, 01:40:28 PM
Quote from: LittlefootAndAliTogether,Feb 18 2015 on  10:36 AM
As for Chomper's parents, what is so alarming is that Chomper could have had Fast Biter friends for all they knew.  They didn't smell Littlefoot until after they had said that line.   There's no reason to assume that they knew he was even mentioning Leaf Eaters.
Keep in mind that Chomper is much younger than any member of the gang. He might not have understood the joke... Although to be fair, they've never showed us any sharpteeth younglings playing in the movies or during the TV series. And in modern day reality predators, eating cubs (sometimes even their own) is not a rare occurrence.
Title: Is there anyone in LBT that you would call evil?
Post by: Serris on February 25, 2015, 12:16:12 PM
Sierra from The Stone of Cold Fire. I swear he's a sociopath. I mean who casually states they're going to feed children to the sharpteeth?

Rinkus is also a pretty nasty piece of work. I mean, he suggests killing the children if they don't tell him where the Stone of Cold Fire is.
Title: Is there anyone in LBT that you would call evil?
Post by: LittlefootAndAliTogether on February 25, 2015, 12:43:54 PM
What about Ozzy? He wanted to give the kids a lava bath, is horrible to his own brother, and was gonna throw Littlefoot off the Great Wall?  

One of his worst moves was actually against Strut.  Strut was gonna go across the log when lava was coming and he made Strut get out of the way and said 'I'm first!  I'm first!  I'm always first!"

Ozzy is so selfish.  He's rotten toward everyone in the film.


I also agree about Sierra.  He also says "Who cares?  You should be used to this sort of thing by now!" when it looks like Ducky has fallen to her death.  (Not that Rinkus seemed too concerned either.)

Title: Is there anyone in LBT that you would call evil?
Post by: Petrie157578641 on January 03, 2016, 10:49:32 AM
Ozzy, Sierra and Rinkus. Also I completely disagree that original movie sharptooth was evil. There was absolutely no indication that he was something else other than just a hungry predator.
Title: Is there anyone in LBT that you would call evil?
Post by: Sneak on January 03, 2016, 12:22:47 PM
As I remember, Don Bluth himself stated that original Sharptooth wasn't villain at all.
the same we can say about all other sharpteeth.

Creature becomes evil when they do things beyond simple nature actions. Ozzy, Strut, Pterano, Rinkus and Serra showed us that well.

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More thoughts about Sharptooth and Red Claw gang...

Sharptooth, besides his natural hunger, wanted to make small revenge for his damaged eye. Hmm, does it make him evil?..

Red Claw... As I understand, he and his fast biters imagine themselves as the most important persons in region, so they banish any other sharpteeth from their way, for no more reasons, right?
Also, we still don't know, if they chase our gang more because of some conflict with Chomper and Ruby than chasing for getting food...
Title: Is there anyone in LBT that you would call evil?
Post by: Campion1 on January 03, 2016, 01:47:01 PM
The Yellowbellies
Title: Is there anyone in LBT that you would call evil?
Post by: JulianR94 on January 03, 2016, 03:22:27 PM
Quote from: Snik,Jan 3 2016 on  06:22 PM
As I remember, Don Bluth himself stated that original Sharptooth wasn't villain at all.
the same we can say about all other sharpteeth.

Creature becomes evil when they do things beyond simple nature actions. Ozzy, Strut, Pterano, Rinkus and Serra showed us that well.

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More thoughts about Sharptooth and Red Claw gang...

Sharptooth, besides his natural hunger, wanted to make small revenge for his damaged eye. Hmm, does it make him evil?..

Red Claw... As I understand, he and his fast biters imagine themselves as the most important persons in region, so they banish any other sharpteeth from their way, for no more reasons, right?
Also, we still don't know, if they chase our gang more because of some conflict with Chomper and Ruby than chasing for getting food...
Exactly how I think about it, and why I depicted him as such in my story. A somewhat tragic figure, driven by hunger and revenge. Though I've gave him a pretty bad backstory to justify that.
That's just on a sidenote, however.

Concerning OP's question, I would say Sierra and Rinkus, even Pterano until the turning point in the respective movie, and even those were doing it for simple power. Though I don't consider their actions forces of nature per se, so yeah, I would classify them as a little evil.
Other than that... Maybe that plated sharptooth (green Giganotosaurus) from the 5th movie that attacked Chomper's parents? He seems like a pretty "evil" guy. :D
Title: Is there anyone in LBT that you would call evil?
Post by: landbeforetimelover on January 03, 2016, 08:22:05 PM
Quote from: Campion1,Jan 3 2016 on  11:47 AM
The Yellowbellies
My God, that made me laugh!  They're so EVIL for ruining LBT 13 for us!  Just joking of course.

As for evil characters, I don't consider sharpteeth to be evil just because they're doing what's natural for them.  Evil is doing something unnecessarily bad for no purpose other than it gives you pleasure to do so.  Rinkus and Sierra from LBT 7 would fit that bill.  Pterano....I'd call him conceited and overly ambitious, but not evil.  The difference between him and the other fliers was that he didn't enjoy violence and hurting others like the other fliers seemed to.  Strut from LBT 2 is close to being evil in my eyes.  Dill and Icky certainly aren't nice, but they're still doing what's natural for them so I'd call them a grey area.
Title: Is there anyone in LBT that you would call evil?
Post by: Sneak on January 04, 2016, 01:16:05 PM
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Other than that... Maybe that plated sharptooth (green Giganotosaurus) from the 5th movie that attacked Chomper's parents? He seems like a pretty "evil" guy.
but as I remember, he attacked gang, Chomper defended them with his bite, then Chomper's parents attacked him to defend their son. also, I assume there would be some talks on sharptooth language about small island territory, where isn't much food for three adult sharpteeth. One of them would be excess. :D

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yellowbellies
LOL

they are just a mistake of nature. nothing more
Title: Is there anyone in LBT that you would call evil?
Post by: JulianR94 on January 04, 2016, 02:43:12 PM
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but as I remember, he attacked gang, Chomper defended them with his bite, then Chomper's parents attacked him to defend their son. also, I assume there would be some talks on sharptooth language about small island territory, where isn't much food for three adult sharpteeth. One of them would be excess. :D
Huh... Have to watch that part of the movie again sometime... But now that you say it, it makes sense. Still, if not his demeanor then his depiction is clearly "evil", at least intented by the makers of the movie, snake-like eyes and all.
Title: Is there anyone in LBT that you would call evil?
Post by: Sneak on January 04, 2016, 03:23:39 PM
Quote from: JulianR94,Jan 4 2016 on  09:43 PM
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his depiction is clearly "evil", at least intented by the makers of the movie, snake-like eyes and all.
:cry
We're sharpteeth...
Great circle of life gave us such depiction and facial features...

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yay! I became Chomper now! ^-^
Title: Is there anyone in LBT that you would call evil?
Post by: JulianR94 on January 04, 2016, 03:29:54 PM
Quote from: Snik,Jan 4 2016 on  09:23 PM
Quote from: JulianR94,Jan 4 2016 on  09:43 PM
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his depiction is clearly "evil", at least intented by the makers of the movie, snake-like eyes and all.
:cry
We're sharpteeth...
Great circle of life gave us such depiction and facial features...

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yay! I became Chomper now! ^-^
Not snake-eyes, though, my fellow hunter.  :p
Title: Is there anyone in LBT that you would call evil?
Post by: Dr. Rex on January 06, 2016, 10:50:35 PM
Ozzy, Rinkus, and Sierra for me.
Title: Is there anyone in LBT that you would call evil?
Post by: Hypno on August 30, 2017, 04:53:19 PM
Quote from: JulianR94,Jan 4 2016 on  04:29 PM
Quote from: Snik,Jan 4 2016 on  09:23 PM
Quote from: JulianR94,Jan 4 2016 on  09:43 PM
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his depiction is clearly "evil", at least intented by the makers of the movie, snake-like eyes and all.
:cry
We're sharpteeth...
Great circle of life gave us such depiction and facial features...

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yay! I became Chomper now! ^-^
Not snake-eyes, though, my fellow hunter.  :p
Actually, they did. There's quite a few sharpteeth that have slitted pupils, not just the Giganotosaurus.



As for the topic title itself, the only villains I can think of are Ozzy, Strut, Rinkus, Sierra, Red Claw, Screech, Thud, and the book version of Sharptooth. That's about it.
Title: Is there anyone in LBT that you would call evil?
Post by: Sneak on August 30, 2017, 05:12:23 PM
...and Cera with Ducky.  :rolleyes:

Ok ok, Cera was "apprentice of the evil", and /ducky only in single episode.
Title: Is there anyone in LBT that you would call evil?
Post by: Ducky123 on October 01, 2017, 08:53:05 AM
Ducky is the most evil swimmer, hands down :p
Title: Is there anyone in LBT that you would call evil?
Post by: Longneck3050 on October 01, 2017, 09:56:52 AM
Yes, Sharpteeth.
Title: Is there anyone in LBT that you would call evil?
Post by: Littlefoot505 on October 15, 2017, 09:01:31 AM
Quote from: Dr. Rex,Jan 6 2016 on  08:50 PM
Ozzy, Rinkus, and Sierra for me.
You said it. I wouldn't say that any of the sharpteeth are evil because they're just doing what's natural to them. Ozzy was always really mean to Strut, and he was relentlessly trying to kill the gang just because they took his egg! As for Rinkus and Sierra, they would've had no qualms about killing Ducky whatsoever.
Title: Is there anyone in LBT that you would call evil?
Post by: DarkHououmon on October 15, 2017, 09:20:54 AM
Ozzy trying to kill the gang came as a last resort, if I remember right. Originally all Ozzy wanted to do was scare them into not interfering with his future attempts at getting some egg food. It was only when the gang kept causing problems (such as getting them spotted by a flyer mother) that Ozzy decided it was better to just get rid of them. He was likely getting really hungry, which made him more irritable.

But what separates Ozzy from a sharptooth is that he doesn't need to eat only eggs. He was choosing to do this. He did have the option of eating green food. He and Strut were both omnivores. If he was getting hungry, he could have easily eaten some grass or berries or something, instead of using up all his energy taking the risk going after eggs.
Title: Re: Is there anyone in LBT that you would call evil?
Post by: Gentle Sharptooth on July 16, 2018, 07:05:38 PM
From what I discern of LBT lore, according to the canon of the films, Sharpteeth are meant to be seen as evil. The Original LBT had Sharptooth as the principle villain and antagonist who chases the Gang of Five out of sinister motives. I mean why would a T-Rex waste time on a mouthful of infant dinosaurs when he could feast on larger dinner? Then again Sharptooth does have a vendetta against Little Foot for the thorn brush In the eye, his mother knocking him into the abyss and Cera’s guilt by association. There is also the case to be made that Sharptooth is so starved by the famine and earthquake, he will pursue any prey to keep himself from perishing. In the first two possibilities Sharptooth is a evil carnivore, in the third and last proposed possibility he is simply famished and pursues the Gang out of necessity.

However, it is evident that LBT the Original was not meant to be seen in prism of endless philosophy but in a clearer more absolutist point of view: good versus evil. I then conclude that Sharptooth in the first LBT is evil, but the sequels leave the morality of sharpteeth open to further interpretation; especially in the person of Chomper. 
Title: Re: Is there anyone in LBT that you would call evil?
Post by: Sneak on July 17, 2018, 06:20:49 AM
Yes, Don Bluth himself considered him as not evil.

Only thing he did that went outside borders of nature - is trying to kill Littlefoot not only of hunger but also of revenge. This action moves my favorite sharptooth right to the border between being just natural predator and creature with evil intentions, but he definitelly didn't cross this border.

His first and third encounters with gang was pure fortune, I believe he didn't intentionally stalk ONLY gang. Due to hunger and terrible fight with Littlefoot's mom and fall to the abyss, he tried to eat small prey like children.

Third encounter (awakining) was also fortune plus Cera's actions, and btw, I do think he didn't even realized Cera was here, he just woke up from terrible fall and microcoma, so he possibly  could not recognize nearest objects.

Final encounter could not even happen, he could juss pass through... If Littlefoot didn't want to make evil revenge and risk his and his friends' lives only to make a vile deed and kill innocent creature who only tried to survive hahahahaha Littlefoot is the true villain!  :anger
*calms down*
Ok, final encounter could not even happen, if Littlefoot wasn't afraid that Sharptooth would find a valley and tried to get rid from him to protect his new home. BUUUUT I still also thinks our lovely longneck thought about pure revenge, and if not Cera, his revenge would cost lives of him and his newfound friends, that's not good.

I think Littlefoot also went veeeery close to border between being just natural dinosaur and creature with evil intentions... In the nature, herbivore creature doesn't just kill passing by carnivore, right? He does it only if there's direct danger to his life or his family.

Sigh... Revenge births another revenge... Evil births another evil...
Title: Re: Is there anyone in LBT that you would call evil?
Post by: Gentle Sharptooth on July 17, 2018, 01:14:46 PM
To Sneak:

Your thesis is based then on the second of three motives I pose for Sharptooth: I. Villany, II. Revenge, and III. Hunger.

I think you can make a case for all three, but in the mind of a child Sharptooth is evil and stalks the Gang like the Headless Hessian or a Ghoulish demon (mich has been written about the supernatural aspects of Sharptooth, I believe you even made comments in those threads). However, I agree with you Sneak that there is a plausible case for Sharptooth having natural instincts of hunger and the emotional desire of vendetta. On the nucleus of the first film (excluding the sequels) we can infer that Sharptooth could be in famine mode and so his behavior is extra violent due to the strain on his vitals and Brain from not getting a sufficient amount of proteins. Thus when we see Sharptooth acting like a demon and stalking the Gang it could be that unlike Chomper’s parents, he is in state of total feeding frenzy (especially after his fall into the abyss and being comatose). This then would explain that Sharptooth wasn’t totally seeking revenge but sustinance. The case for this can be seen when men were at sea and shipwrecked. Over time hunger overcame their normal reservations and humanity and turned them into cannibals. Sharptooth I believe was in famine mode and the lack of nourishment drove him into a frenzy. Revenge though present for the story purposes, was IMHO a secondary motive.
Title: Re: Is there anyone in LBT that you would call evil?
Post by: Sneak on July 17, 2018, 02:05:03 PM
Well, if revenge was FIRST motive, then Sharptooth would spend a loooot of time to follow only gang's smells/traces. Being extremely excausted and hungry. I don't think he would do that.

Revenge aspect was semi-hidden element in the whole movie. I believe many people (including myself) didn't even notice that Sharptooth was after Littlefoot of revenge during first watching the movie. Revenge from Littlefoot's side was more exposed, since they still didn't find a valley and Littlefoot suddenly tells "we must get rid from him once and for all!". But his revenge wasn't showed on 100% too.

btw...
*sudden blast of lightning in my head!!!!*
*rushes to rewatch the movie, reread the book and reread script*
Title: Re: Is there anyone in LBT that you would call evil?
Post by: Gentle Sharptooth on July 17, 2018, 02:19:44 PM
I agree, the revenge motive is tertiary and hidden because Sharptooth doesnt have any dialogue, while as you rightly said Littlefoot makes his revenge unequivocal and obvious. Sharptooth Is hunting in famine feeding frenzy state; making revenge a pleasant bonus. The Gang takes his hint of them personally, but by the sequels and having been acquainted with other Sharpteeth, they come to understand it is instinct. The Gang makes the mistake we as humans often do, judging actions as malicious and premeditated when it could be “knee jerk,” or a response out of Old hurts and a history we do not know or even the behavior we witness has nothing to do with us at all and the person is merely venting in our earshot and eyesight. 
Title: Re: Is there anyone in LBT that you would call evil?
Post by: Sneak on July 17, 2018, 02:43:05 PM
Gladly Littlefoot learns about it and does reasonable actions when he met Chomper, and during adventure on Island. If endless revenge towards any types of sharpteeth inhabited his heart after his mother died, who knows, he is brave and determined, and he would... ahem... kill future threat on its very root by himself... *shivers* If you know what I mean...

I don't tire to repeatedly thank developers for introducing Chomper as sharptooth's side that helped to reveal to us and to gang true nature of sharpteeth.
Title: Re: Is there anyone in LBT that you would call evil?
Post by: Gentle Sharptooth on July 17, 2018, 03:01:03 PM
You raise an interesting point. Littlefoot’s acceptance and protection of Chomper is a major change in Littlefoot’s course. He hated Sharptooth for killing his mother but loves Chomper. He saw for the first time that even sharpteeth are little at some point and that nature and nurture can change them from being violent towards lead eaters to being friends. Littlefoot has come a long way.

Chomper was a major step in making Sharpteeth more than mindless meat eating machines. Even Chomper’s parents revealed that Sharpteeth care about their own offspring. I have stayed before that Chomper allowed me to admire sharpteeth with impunity and to root for him since he is a hero and part of the Gang.
Title: Re: Is there anyone in LBT that you would call evil?
Post by: Hypno on July 29, 2018, 01:49:59 PM
Yes:

Sharptooth (book version) - villain
Ozzy and Strut - Villains
Rinkus and Sierra - Villains
Meanest Sharptooth - Villain
Red Claw - Villain
Screech and Thud - Villains

Didn't include Ichy and Dil since they're trying to eat, not murder for fun.
Title: Re: Is there anyone in LBT that you would call evil?
Post by: Gentle Sharptooth on September 01, 2018, 04:31:42 PM
Yes:

Sharptooth (book version) - villain
Ozzy and Strut - Villains
Rinkus and Sierra - Villains
Meanest Sharptooth - Villain
Red Claw - Villain
Screech and Thud - Villains

Didn't include Ichy and Dil since they're trying to eat, not murder for fun.

Ozzy and Strut I wouldn’t qualify as villains imho. Ozzy is motivated by a motus operandi and instijct to eat eggs, he only exhibits antagonistic characteristics when the Gang of Five tries to stop him from his eggcellent feast. Strut is reluctant, he doesn’t even like eggs, he prefers greens and would never have harbored negative feelings for the Gang if Ozzy hadn’t been denied eggs. I like to think about it this way, you are about to eat your meal, and someone steals it and says your a villain for wanting to eat it.

Ozzy is only doing what His species of dinosaur does, he eats eggs and yet he is portrayed on purpose as a villain in LBT II, the Truth is he is doing merely what his species does; it’s not malicious or villainous.

So while agree Ozzy and Strut are meant to be seen as villians, I personally wouldn’t label them villians since they are merely seeking out thief primary source of food. Ruby like Chomper did for Sharpteeth, helps balance that any particular herbivore, carnivour, and omnivore isn’t evil for what they eat. “It’s the circle of life.”
Title: Re: Is there anyone in LBT that you would call evil?
Post by: Dr. Rex on October 08, 2018, 04:56:47 AM
Quote from: Dr. Rex,Jan 6 2016 on  08:50 PM
Ozzy, Rinkus, and Sierra for me.
You said it. I wouldn't say that any of the sharpteeth are evil because they're just doing what's natural to them. Ozzy was always really mean to Strut, and he was relentlessly trying to kill the gang just because they took his egg! As for Rinkus and Sierra, they would've had no qualms about killing Ducky whatsoever.
Yeah, that's pretty much my consensus about them too.
Title: Re: Is there anyone in LBT that you would call evil?
Post by: Bruno on November 21, 2018, 08:18:10 PM
Definitely Ozzy, Rinkus, and Sierra as they are shown to have no qualms with killing for the sake of killing. The original Sharptooth might be, if you take what we understand of the cut scenes from the original, and what is in one of the books that came out around the same time as the movie that portrays him as being sadistic. However, what we are presented with in the movie makes it a bit difficult to regard the original Sharptooth as any more evil than the other sharpteeth throughout the series.
Title: Re: Is there anyone in LBT that you would call evil?
Post by: Gentle Sharptooth on January 17, 2019, 06:45:37 PM
I wonder, considering that most villains seem to be just hungry predators, are there any in LBT that you could actually say are, well, evil?

I do worry about Chomper's parents.  I mean, that seems very cold to suggest, when your kid invites some friends over for dinner, or says he is going to, to reply "Sure, we could use some dessert."

 :wow  :wow  :wow  :wow  :wow

That almost does sound evil, if you really think about it.

(Note, this thread isn't really about them, but I thought I'd bring up that oddity.)

We are meant to view Sharpteeth as svil through the eyes of the Gang of Five. However, Chomper and his parents allowed us to have a more objective view of Sharpteeth considering, seeing them less as villians and more as simply meat eaters. The Original Sharptooth sure seeemd to be evil, but Snik and I discussed that Sharptooth could have been motivated by famine brain which drove him into a feeding frenzy.

I think evil in LBT is meant to be sny sharptooth except for Chomper, his parents being in a grey area because they were antagonists but changed to affectionate when The Gang helped save Chomper from drowning in The Mysterious Island.

I think Ozzy coukd qualify as evil: a) he wanted to eat eggs at all cost much like greedy person who is capable of anything, b) unlike sharpteeth which need meat to live, he tried to kill Chomper and the Gang for getting in the way of egg snatching, c) he refused to adapt like Strut to veggies to survive, and would prusue eggs to oblivion and finally d) he would have eaten Ducky’s unborn siblings and those of all the Great Valley inhabitants, commiting eggicide and hatchlingcide.
Title: Re: Is there anyone in LBT that you would call evil?
Post by: Dr. Rex on March 11, 2019, 10:36:51 PM
I wonder, considering that most villains seem to be just hungry predators, are there any in LBT that you could actually say are, well, evil?

I do worry about Chomper's parents.  I mean, that seems very cold to suggest, when your kid invites some friends over for dinner, or says he is going to, to reply "Sure, we could use some dessert."

 :wow  :wow  :wow  :wow  :wow

That almost does sound evil, if you really think about it.

(Note, this thread isn't really about them, but I thought I'd bring up that oddity.)

We are meant to view Sharpteeth as svil through the eyes of the Gang of Five. However, Chomper and his parents allowed us to have a more objective view of Sharpteeth considering, seeing them less as villians and more as simply meat eaters. The Original Sharptooth sure seeemd to be evil, but Snik and I discussed that Sharptooth could have been motivated by famine brain which drove him into a feeding frenzy.

I think evil in LBT is meant to be sny sharptooth except for Chomper, his parents being in a grey area because they were antagonists but changed to affectionate when The Gang helped save Chomper from drowning in The Mysterious Island.

I think Ozzy coukd qualify as evil: a) he wanted to eat eggs at all cost much like greedy person who is capable of anything, b) unlike sharpteeth which need meat to live, he tried to kill Chomper and the Gang for getting in the way of egg snatching, c) he refused to adapt like Strut to veggies to survive, and would prusue eggs to oblivion and finally d) he would have eaten Ducky’s unborn siblings and those of all the Great Valley inhabitants, commiting eggicide and hatchlingcide.
The original Sharptooth being driven by famine and hunger is actually a pretty interesting theory. It would explain why he seems much wilder compared to other Sharpteeth we've seen.
Title: Re: Is there anyone in LBT that you would call evil?
Post by: Anagnos on April 01, 2019, 05:05:29 AM
I must agree with Serris on this one. Sierra and Rinkus for me too. There are really not that many in the LBT universe who I would call evil, but they are very close.
Title: Re: Is there anyone in LBT that you would call evil?
Post by: Ducky123 on May 15, 2019, 01:19:50 AM
In my personal head canon, Old One is an evil  :bestsharptooth

She always gets across to me as an oppressive and matriarchal leader who is very purist (discriminating against other kinds) and truly wicked when it comes to making sure that nobody leaves the herd. Using that headcanon in my story SDP  :PCera
Title: Re: Is there anyone in LBT that you would call evil?
Post by: Sneak on May 15, 2019, 05:40:24 AM
^looooool

Glad that Littlefoot from original movie is much more evil than innocent Sharptooth. XD
And it's partly canon, with that sudden "Let's get rid of him once and for all" and risking his friends' lives only to get his personal revenge.  :anger (at least it's what can be seen in theatrical version)
Title: Re: Is there anyone in LBT that you would call evil?
Post by: UnionRags123 on July 12, 2019, 09:22:41 AM
In regards to The Sharptooth and his vendetta against the gang:
Littlefoot caused the thorn to hit Sharptooth in the eye
Littlefoot’s mom knocked him into a gorge
And Cera’s not just guilty by association. She rammed him in the head while he was lying in the gorge
The rest of the gang are guilty by association though

I’d say Sharptooth is evil in the book, but in the movie he’s not quite at “evil” - but also the first movie is the “darkest” so of course he’s gonna be the most extreme Sharptooth
Title: Re: Is there anyone in LBT that you would call evil?
Post by: Chomper123 on July 21, 2019, 02:31:06 AM
Hmm, well Cera had moments that seemed considerably evil, like when she would tell Littlefoot in Episode 5, when she would pester him about being friends with Chomper and make fun of Chomper saying he would eat Littlefoot  :thinking
Title: Re: Is there anyone in LBT that you would call evil?
Post by: StardustSoldier on July 21, 2019, 02:53:26 AM
Given that Chomper is a sharptooth, I actually understand and even sympathize with where Cera was coming from. She turned out to be wrong about him in the end, but still, I think it was a valid concern.
Title: Re: Is there anyone in LBT that you would call evil?
Post by: ImpracticalDino on July 21, 2019, 10:13:41 PM

Hmm, well Cera had moments that seemed considerably evil, like when she would tell Littlefoot in Episode 5, when she would pester him about being friends with Chomper and make fun of Chomper saying he would eat Littlefoot  :thinking

That doesn't even come close to evil honestly...it's just her being nervous about Chomper since he's a sharptooth like StardustSoldier said, and because it's in her nature to be a bit teasing at times, don't you think?

In fact, I feel like the original Sharptooth is a bit evil. He was chasing the children for food at first, and not even the killing of Littlefoot's mother would qualify as evil, only because it was in self-defense. But it's the sheer persistence of chasing the gang down and vengeance against Littlefoot is what strikes clear to me. I mean...they're just hatchlings? Why keep trying? If he really wanted food, try to find something better. And besides, he should give the longneck a break. After all, it was his rash and stupid decision to literally stick his head in a huge thorn bush on his quest for sustenance. Sigh...but I guess his instincts were in control and not his rationale. In my opinion, his ego of being the scariest and baddest sharptooth of all was hurt that day and took out that anger on the Gang of Five too. At this point, it's more of a speculation than anything, but it could be a possibility...
Title: Re: Is there anyone in LBT that you would call evil?
Post by: OwlsCantRead on November 07, 2019, 12:53:45 PM
Hmm, well Cera had moments that seemed considerably evil, like when she would tell Littlefoot in Episode 5, when she would pester him about being friends with Chomper and make fun of Chomper saying he would eat Littlefoot  :thinking
I can't believe I missed this thread for a while, but I would argue that Cera doesn't come off as evil, just mean-spirited at her worst moments. In the first film, she's definitely a foil to the extent of being an antagonist, but she isn't outright malicious more so confused. Just because one is actually counterinituitve to the situation does not make them evil, per-se, it's all about perspective and the big picture.

We are meant to view Sharpteeth as svil through the eyes of the Gang of Five. However, Chomper and his parents allowed us to have a more objective view of Sharpteeth considering, seeing them less as villians and more as simply meat eaters.
This as well. From a prey's point of view, sharpteeth are monsters, but as Chomper proved, this is also a two-dimensional theory. Thud wouldn't have done what he did in the TV series in that one episode if he was a complete monster, for instance. This pretty much discounts most, if not all sharpteeth, since by Circle of Life aesop propagated by the first movie implies that such chases are just the natural order of things, even if the gang must detest it and view sharpteeth as horrible enemies. Again, subjectively based on the lens/POV.

Definitely Ozzy, Rinkus, and Sierra as they are shown to have no qualms with killing for the sake of killing.
I'll probably join the consensus for this as well. Maybe less so Ozzy, as by the end of LBT2 the tormented eggstealer is completely and utterly frustrated to the point of snapping, but both Rinkus and Sierra gave off a very sinister vibe through their film even if the final payoff at the climax wasn't so cathartic.

...although some people from this forum hold the opinion that a certain smug green-eyed longneck from the TV series is the single most evil antagonist the series has ever produced. :P
Title: Re: Is there anyone in LBT that you would call evil?
Post by: Anagnos on November 07, 2019, 01:57:25 PM
Given that Chomper is a sharptooth, I actually understand and even sympathize with where Cera was coming from. She turned out to be wrong about him in the end, but still, I think it was a valid concern.

One can also understand that the circumstances surrounding Littlefoot's mother's demise at the claws of the Sharptooth. Hereby the initial reaction of the gang concerning Chomper's birth was a rather rational one. Imagine yourself in their position after everything they encountered during their journey to the Great Valley and the ugly confrontation with Sharptooth definitely had an act in their rightly justified reaction of the baby sharptooth. Of course, all of those fears proved to be futile in the end, as we all know.

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I can't believe I missed this thread for a while, but I would argue that Cera doesn't come off as evil, just mean-spirited at her worst moments. In the first film, she's definitely a foil to the extent of being an antagonist, but she isn't outright malicious more so confused. Just because one is actually counterinituitve to the situation does not make them evil, per-se, it's all about perspective and the big picture.

The big picture in this one is that Cera was likely acting this way due to how she was raised by her parents, and by extension, her father. From the moment he appeared in the original film, I got the impression that he was essentially a xenophobe who saw other races as inferior to his own. It's likely that this viewpoint was eventually passed down to Cera and possibly even her sisters. Of course, none of this actually points out that Cera is evil by nature, and by the end of the film, a totally new side to her is shown that is willing to protect those she cares for.

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We are meant to view Sharpteeth as svil through the eyes of the Gang of Five. However, Chomper and his parents allowed us to have a more objective view of Sharpteeth considering, seeing them less as villians and more as simply meat eaters.

Same as with every being, they don't see themselves as the ''bad guys'', per say. But with sharpteeth, we have to remember that they are carnivores. Therefore, they must consume meat as nutrition in order to live. I like to reference what Don Bluth said about the Sharptooth, as that really points out the factuality of the character. If you haven't had a chance to read it, it's right here (https://landbeforetime.fandom.com/wiki/Sharptooth_(character)).

I guess what I'm trying to convey here is that not everything is as black and white as you might initially think. Life works in mysterious ways and is full of little mysteries. ;)
Title: Re: Is there anyone in LBT that you would call evil?
Post by: Gentle Sharptooth on December 22, 2019, 03:53:20 AM
Hmm, well Cera had moments that seemed considerably evil, like when she would tell Littlefoot in Episode 5, when she would pester him about being friends with Chomper and make fun of Chomper saying he would eat Littlefoot  :thinking

Cera seemed more bitter and antagonistic, than evil to me. Sharptooth (TLBTI) was certainly evil, he sought to gorge himself on the Gang of Five, when he could have dined on the Diplodocus herd who ate most of the food that the Gang wanted to eat (see attachment).   

Title: Re: Is there anyone in LBT that you would call evil?
Post by: StardustSoldier on December 28, 2019, 12:42:53 PM
The Diplodocus herd were the real villains in all this.
:opetrie
Title: Re: Is there anyone in LBT that you would call evil?
Post by: Goldenwind on January 13, 2020, 01:40:50 PM
They were the real antagonists all, along. XD I will agree that Ozzy, Rinkus, Sierra are evil. Although I think I also see the gigantasaurus in the 5th movie as probably a villain because of his depiction and attacking Chomper. I don't want to say Mr. Threehorn is evil as I like his character and overall franchise arc... But he about crossed that line in movie 11 where he puts the Tinysaurses in danger, and blows off Tria when she wanted him to stop (Which to me, contradicts Cera's statement about her dad's possible motive, "Doing it for Tria"). Also I clearly see Red Claw and his gang being evil just based on what I saw in the TV pilot, The Cave of Many Voices.
Title: Re: Is there anyone in LBT that you would call evil?
Post by: ImpracticalDino on January 13, 2020, 04:16:51 PM
Ugh, I'm so bad at picking up the finer details like that and completely gloss over it or forget about it because it was such a short and forgettable portion of the movie.

Those were very ravenous beasts I tell you, probably even more hungry than Sharptooth was. :sducky

Red Claw and his minions may be evil, but they're pretty incompetent and only pose as a nuisance to the Gang at best in my opinion.

But then again, we're talking about the same leaf eaters who were able to devise a plan and successfully kill Sharptooth through friendship and teamwork, so this is only a walk in the park for them. Not to mention, the dozens of adventures in the Mysterious Beyond.
Title: Re: Is there anyone in LBT that you would call evil?
Post by: Goldenwind on January 13, 2020, 04:51:33 PM
Ugh, I'm so bad at picking up the finer details like that and completely gloss over it or forget about it because it was such a short and forgettable portion of the movie.

Those were very ravenous beasts I tell you, probably even more hungry than Sharptooth was. :sducky

Red Claw and his minions may be evil, but they're pretty incompetent and only pose as a nuisance to the Gang at best in my opinion.

But then again, we're talking about the same leaf eaters who were able to devise a plan and successfully kill Sharptooth through friendship and teamwork, so this is only a walk in the park for them. Not to mention, the dozens of adventures in the Mysterious Beyond.

I tend to easily pick up and retain details that I like or left a bad impression on me. ^^'

Considering how big they are, I can see that as the case. :opetrie

That is so true. :bestsharptooth Even if he's like the biggest most dangerous sharptooth there is, he has no chance against them.  :SmugSpike

Also it could be iffy for Thud being completely evil as he does save the entire gang once, presumably as a sign of thanks. (Their friendship is so strong that it is even affecting Thud. :PCera )

Title: Re: Is there anyone in LBT that you would call evil?
Post by: ImpracticalDino on January 13, 2020, 04:57:51 PM
I honestly would tell you what role Thud will be playing in The Seven Hunters...but that would be spoiling the story, would it? :p

But based on this conversation we're having now, you could probably guess that easily.
Unless you have already read up to that point or beyond that is.

I do have to agree with your logic there. Even if Thud isn't completely reformed and still sides with Red Claw, he did save the Gang one time to return the favor towards Chomper, who was merciful enough to not leave him and his tail stuck under a rock in the TV episode Escape from the Mysterious Beyond. :)
Title: Re: Is there anyone in LBT that you would call evil?
Post by: Goldenwind on January 13, 2020, 05:02:56 PM
I honestly would tell you what role Thud will be playing in The Seven Hunters...but that would be spoiling the story, would it? :p

But based on this conversation we're having now, you could probably guess that easily.
Unless you have already read up to that point or beyond that is.

I do have to agree with your logic there. Even if Thud isn't completely reformed and still sides with Red Claw, he did save the Gang one time to return the favor towards Chomper, who was merciful enough to not leave him and his tail stuck under a rock in the TV episode Escape from the Mysterious Beyond. :)

I probably would. XD Can't wait to see his role though.

Indeed, this alone made me very interested in the character. :chompysmile
Title: Re: Is there anyone in LBT that you would call evil?
Post by: ImpracticalDino on January 13, 2020, 05:16:09 PM
Lol, I know I'm taking this off topic right about now, but I'm curious to know what you think of Mo? He's such a lovable, courageous, vibrant, optimistic, and also maybe a bit naive as well in my opinion. You either love or hate him, and I fit in the former category. :DD

There's so much potential in him and his character to be explored honestly, but it's very rare to encounter an LBT fanfic with Mo featured in it, let alone even appear as a secondary character. I want to ask you if you have also thought of any ideas involving him. Just wondering, and yes I do understand that some people are deterred by his style of dialect or just by the fact that he lives in the Big Water and not near the Great Valley or Mysterious Beyond, where most of the action usually takes place at. For me myself, I actually do have one idea involving him...but I actually have no fanfiction writing experience as of right now. :lol

I also took this off topic because I really want to converse with you more, I think you're very creative and enthusiastic. :)
Title: Re: Is there anyone in LBT that you would call evil?
Post by: Goldenwind on January 13, 2020, 07:27:18 PM
When I saw Moe in movie 9 I liked him a lot. I thought he was a fun character with depth. He had flaws but was genuinely a great fellow. I was saddened by his sacrifice scene when I first saw it, even though I knew he would survive for the TV show episode. I agree there is potential for the character. Espically since there is a completely different world in the prehistoric ocean (Finding Nemo but with prehistoric dino fish. X) ). Unfortunately, I couldn't fit him in the "Spike's Misadventure" story I was writing outside of the Red Claw lake gag. ^^'

Hmm… I actually had a couple of story ideas with Mo. One of which is about Chomper having developed a phobia of water based on events that happened in the show and movie 5. Mo and the gang try to help him overcome it.

I really appreciate it. Thank you.  :)petrie Also can I hear about the story idea you have?  :olittlefoot
Title: Re: Is there anyone in LBT that you would call evil?
Post by: ImpracticalDino on January 13, 2020, 07:54:40 PM
When I saw Moe in movie 9 I liked him a lot. I thought he was a fun character with depth. He had flaws but was genuinely a great fellow. I was saddened by his sacrifice scene when I first saw it, even though I knew he would survive for the TV show episode. I agree there is potential for the character. Espically since there is a completely different world in the prehistoric ocean (Finding Nemo but with prehistoric dino fish. X) ). Unfortunately, I couldn't fit him in the "Spike's Misadventure" story I was writing outside of the Red Claw lake gag. ^^'

Hmm… I actually had a couple of story ideas with Mo. One of which is about Chomper having developed a phobia of water based on events that happened in the show and movie 5. Mo and the gang try to help him overcome it.

I really appreciate it. Thank you.  :)petrie Also can I hear about the story idea you have?  :olittlefoot


I've kept this private with two very close friends here, but I guess it's a good time as any to reveal to you - and anyone else that notices this, what my idea is since I'm more comfortable now. Well, there's not really any plot yet, but I do plan on featuring Mo and also an OC that is currently in progress. It will be a Mosasaurus named Dove. My reasoning for the name is that it's short and sweet, it pairs nicely when said together with Mo, and it's also a pun as well. :lol

I also picked the name as a bit of symbolism to let everyone have an idea of what the main personality of Dove will comprise of - something that seems so absurd and weird from the perspective of leaf eaters and all creatures that usually fall victim to a Mosasaur's appetite. So far, I would say that he's caring and relatively peaceful, and would rather not engage in any violence or fights to deescalate a situation or dominate over others. It doesn't make him a pushover in the slightest however, so nobody should be stupid enough to tempt fate. Once my trait list is finalized, I'll see what else can be added or removed.
:Mo
Title: Re: Is there anyone in LBT that you would call evil?
Post by: Goldenwind on January 13, 2020, 08:42:04 PM
I think Dove is a very interesting OC. :) I hope you make great progress with him and your fanfic.  :Mo
Title: Re: Is there anyone in LBT that you would call evil?
Post by: ImpracticalDino on January 13, 2020, 08:52:52 PM
I think Dove is a very interesting OC. :) I hope you make great progress with him and your fanfic.  :Mo

Thanks! And I think my one week break from school next week should really give the time I need to eventually make some progress. Hopefully I stay motivated and not get stuck on any ideas!

I also like your Potential Story Ideas based from the TV series. Incorporating some canon ideas while also building upon them makes for a very interesting, wild, and fun story tbh. I thought the one with Chomper accidentally calling Littlefoot "Daddy" was pretty adorable and could bring up some very interesting dialogue between them, plus an inner monologue with Littlefoot himself. The second idea was also pretty interesting since it focuses on a character with a poor reputation who gets blamed for stealing all the shiny stones. What really did me in was Hyp actually working together with Mr. Threehorn out of all characters to choose one, making it one odd duo and one unlikely ally. Good reference to Ducky's obsession with the minerals in The Canyon of Shiny Stones. The one who commits the crime is the one you least expect. This is why I think the second idea works well. The third idea was crazy, but yet I also love it. A bit of karma and also a bit of a life lesson for Cera I'll say. :lol
Title: Re: Is there anyone in LBT that you would call evil?
Post by: OwlsCantRead on January 13, 2020, 08:59:48 PM
The real villains are you two for derailing this thread after such an abrupt bump. :P Take it to PMs if you must. :SmugSpike

My opinion still stands, that for the most part most of the "villains" in LBT are simply antagonists to the gang, be it due to diet or the surrounding circumstances. Many of them simply chase the Gang for food, even the more fleshed out ones like Ozzy & Strut and Ichy & Dil. While LBT fanfic can have a few absolute irredeemable villains due to more black-and-white motives, it's a lot more gray in the actual series proper.
Title: Re: Is there anyone in LBT that you would call evil?
Post by: ImpracticalDino on January 13, 2020, 09:26:27 PM
The real villains are you two for derailing this thread after such an abrupt bump. :P Take it to PMs if you must. :SmugSpike

My opinion still stands, that for the most part most of the "villains" in LBT are simply antagonists to the gang, be it due to diet or the surrounding circumstances. Many of them simply chase the Gang for food, even the more fleshed out ones like Ozzy & Strut and Ichy & Dil. While LBT fanfic can have a few absolute irredeemable villains due to more black-and-white motives, it's a lot more gray in the actual series proper.

Sheesh, party pooper... But obv I see your point. :p

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In my opinion, I would still argue that Sharptooth was evil...or at least the most evil in comparison to the other antagonists featured in the LBT movies. It feels like such a waste of energy to chase the Gang of Five for who knows how long, and still end up empty handed. I guess we could also assume from his perilous pursuit that he was unsuccessful in capturing any other prey off screen, so Sharptooth has to resort to getting a meal that is easy to get (seemingly) but at a huge drawback of any nutrition. Being in an environment where leaf eaters are pretty scarce due to the lack of vegetation also doesn't help the situation at all. But then again, what about all the herds traveling to the Great Valley? There were a lot of casualties, so theoretically, there should be scattered corpses all around for a Sharptooth feast, correct? Was that ever shown in the movie? We also have to factor in the Diplodocus herd that ran up to the trees and ate up all the tree stars that the Gang should've had. Where the hell did they went after that? I have no clue honestly. The last factor to consider is the chance of an encounter. With all of these food jackpots littered across the land due to the Earthshake and the vast expansiveness of the Mysterious Beyond itself, what were the chances that the Gang would encounter Sharptooth not just once, but twice!? Unfortunately, a decent chance because both the Gang and Sharptooth were traveling towards the direction of where the fabled Great Valley supposedly exists. But even then, if Sharptooth had some sort of consciousness and a bit of empathy, he would leave the kids alone and move towards the food source that is plentiful AND easy pickings at the same time.

So with all things considered, I now think that Sharptooth could've made much better and more rational decisions in the first movie, but he isn't a complete monster. Very flawed, but maybe he thought he had no other choice but to hunt the children down, otherwise face starvation.

Good job Owls, you got me brain gears grinding over here. ;)Cera

I meant to put "me" instead of "my" in case you were wondering. :p
Title: Re: Is there anyone in LBT that you would call evil?
Post by: OwlsCantRead on January 13, 2020, 09:32:49 PM
I would argue for that reason that the original Sharptooth was more a villain than most of the later ones. He had a profound impact on Littlefoot by maiming his mother, and i personally believe that his scarred eye is why he insists on hunting down Littlefoot while he normally might have made a more rational choice.
Title: Re: Is there anyone in LBT that you would call evil?
Post by: ImpracticalDino on January 13, 2020, 09:48:45 PM
In that case, I guess we're both in agreement now. :)

Poor Littlefoot, what an unfortunate situation to end up in. I kinda wonder what thoughts were running inside the Sharptooth's mind the moment he was hit in the eye with the thorn - albeit by accident because Littlefoot was trying to escape from his pursuer. A normal and rational mind would shake it off and let it go, but not for this guy. I would even say that he wasn't completely open minded before his eye ends up getting injured, making him more enraged. During a hunt, the natural survival instincts probably held mostly dominant over his normal cognitive abilities. So when the Littlefoot accidentally hurt him in the eye, it was most likely taken as some sort of challenge by Sharptooth, and therefore that's how the endless chase for the blood and meat of the Gang started.

Or we could just say that Sharptooth is a very egotistical guy in general and doesn't like his pride to be hurt like that. The more simple explanation of course, but at the same time, not explaining the full scope of possibilities though. :p
And the really, really simplified explanation is revenge. :o
Title: Re: Is there anyone in LBT that you would call evil?
Post by: Goldenwind on January 13, 2020, 10:40:40 PM
The real villains are you two for derailing this thread after such an abrupt bump. :P Take it to PMs if you must. :SmugSpike

Apologies. XD

In that case, I guess we're both in agreement now. :)

Poor Littlefoot, what an unfortunate situation to end up in. I kinda wonder what thoughts were running inside the Sharptooth's mind the moment he was hit in the eye with the thorn - albeit by accident because Littlefoot was trying to escape from his pursuer. A normal and rational mind would shake it off and let it go, but not for this guy. I would even say that he wasn't completely open minded before his eye ends up getting injured, making him more enraged. During a hunt, the natural survival instincts probably held mostly dominant over his normal cognitive abilities. So when the Littlefoot accidentally hurt him in the eye, it was most likely taken as some sort of challenge by Sharptooth, and therefore that's how the endless chase for the blood and meat of the Gang started.

Or we could just say that Sharptooth is a very egotistical guy in general and doesn't like his pride to be hurt like that. The more simple explanation of course, but at the same time, not explaining the full scope of possibilities though. :p
And the really, really simplified explanation is revenge. :o

That is a pretty interesting idea.  :thinking It would explain why the gang ran into the "Sharptooth" twice on their travels as well as give him characterization outside of the standard meat eater.
Title: Re: Is there anyone in LBT that you would call evil?
Post by: Gentle Sharptooth on March 08, 2020, 10:42:30 AM
The Diplodocus herd were the real villains in all this.
:opetrie

Leafevils! Those Diplodocus were in league with Sharptooth! It was all a conspiracy man! *Puts on tin foil hat* :D XD
Title: Re: Is there anyone in LBT that you would call evil?
Post by: ImpracticalDino on March 08, 2020, 06:57:43 PM
The Diplodocus herd were the real villains in all this.
:opetrie

Leafevils! Those Diplodocus were in league with Sharptooth! It was all a conspiracy man! *Puts on tin foil hat* :D XD

Concrete proof that not all leaf eaters are good. :olittlefoot
Title: Re: Is there anyone in LBT that you would call evil?
Post by: Gentle Sharptooth on March 08, 2020, 07:00:14 PM
The Diplodocus herd were the real villains in all this.
:opetrie

Leafevils! Those Diplodocus were in league with Sharptooth! It was all a conspiracy man! *Puts on tin foil hat* :D XD

Concrete proof that not all leaf eaters are good. :olittlefoot

Exactly man! The narrator is lying to us, Litflefoot, the dentist, all of em are duping everyone into think leaf eaters are good. Its a leaf lover conspiracy.
Title: Re: Is there anyone in LBT that you would call evil?
Post by: Anagnos on March 09, 2020, 10:17:26 AM
Just because they show the sharpteeth in a bad light, doesn't mean that they're the only bad guys this world has to offer. A leaf-eater can be just as brutal and cruel as the carnivores. It's just about showing the perspective of the other side. Often you have to inspect the story from both angles to get the full story. Wouldn't it be a funny plot twist if the sharpteeth suddenly turned good and vice versa? :p
Title: Re: Is there anyone in LBT that you would call evil?
Post by: Gentle Sharptooth on March 09, 2020, 01:48:40 PM
Just because they show the sharpteeth in a bad light, doesn't mean that they're the only bad guys this world has to offer. A leaf-eater can be just as brutal and cruel as the carnivores. It's just about showing the perspective of the other side. Often you have to inspect the story from both angles to get the full story. Wouldn't it be a funny plot twist if the sharpteeth suddenly turned good and vice versa? :p

Interesting analysis. Sharpteeth may do bad simply in the hunt; they are hardwired to be violent in prusuit of food. But the supposed calm leaf eaters have no such exuse; and if one of them is cruel there is no pleading I was hungry and overstepped. Down with the Leaf Eaters!  :bestsharptooth
Title: Re: Is there anyone in LBT that you would call evil?
Post by: Compsognathus on January 12, 2021, 09:19:33 PM
Certainly Ozzy, Rinkus, Sierra, Red claw. I also consider Shorty somewhat evil, even though not so much as the former ones. Shorty was not particularly nice to Littlefoot at first, tried to hurt him, and even when he returns in the series, he still pretends, as he has passed the leader challenge, so he will lead the gang right away, leaves few members of the gang behind, and he does not really act to them as a caring friend, and I do not think, that he is so much reformed.
Title: Re: Is there anyone in LBT that you would call evil?
Post by: Gentle Sharptooth on March 24, 2021, 01:12:20 AM
Itchy and Dil seem evil to me. They can hardly can get along themsleves.
Title: Re: Is there anyone in LBT that you would call evil?
Post by: Sneak on March 24, 2021, 04:02:55 PM
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They can hardly can get along themsleves.
err... Is that why you consider them as "evil"? XD
Littlefoot and Cera argue with each other all the time, but it doesn't make them evil. :P
Half of Earth's population has arguing problems, but majority of them are not evil.

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Hmm, I little consider Ichy and Dil as pure evil. Because duo's main goal, including stalking gang and threating them through Ichy's speech - everything was about getting food, the main reason. Nature of predators, "nature of nature". They are carnivour force, natural predators (and they teamed up to get prey more easily and get benefits of their characteristics and abilities.).
Only thing that can possibly make them "evil" - they're purposly stalking ONLY the gang after their first encounter. Because their failure to get them first time, getting some small injuires, and becoming fools. This small "revenge" plot is only thing that differs from nature predators' behavior. Kinda reminds me original Sharptotoh a litte, though couple details are different.
Title: Re: Is there anyone in LBT that you would call evil?
Post by: Gentle Sharptooth on March 26, 2021, 09:01:56 PM
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They can hardly can get along themsleves.
err... Is that why you consider them as "evil"? XD
Littlefoot and Cera argue with each other all the time, but it doesn't make them evil. :P
Half of Earth's population has arguing problems, but majority of them are not evil.

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Hmm, I little consider Ichy and Dil as pure evil. Because duo's main goal, including stalking gang and threating them through Ichy's speech - everything was about getting food, the main reason. Nature of predators, "nature of nature". They are carnivour force, natural predators (and they teamed up to get prey more easily and get benefits of their characteristics and abilities.).
Only thing that can possibly make them "evil" - they're purposly stalking ONLY the gang after their first encounter. Because their failure to get them first time, getting some small injuires, and becoming fools. This small "revenge" plot is only thing that differs from nature predators' behavior. Kinda reminds me original Sharptotoh a litte, though couple details are different.


Fair points. I think what made me see them as evil wasn’t being predators, but that they hated company, even each orher’s company and turned on each other. So in my view their evil nature is they betray one another and destroy their dynamic duo.