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The Laconia incident

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For those who don't know This happened after the RMS Laconia was torpedoed by U-156. The ship happened to be carrying about 80 civilians 268 soldiers of the British army 1,800 Italian POWs and 160 polish Soldiers on guard. Only after the ship had been sunk did the captain find out that the ship was carrying POWs. over the next few days two more U-boats U-506 and U-507 and the Italian submarine Comandante Cappellini tied the lifeboats to them and set sail for African coastline and a rendezvous with Vichy French surface warships which had set out from Senegal and Dahomey. Note the captain of the Uboat sent out a message in English telling all ships in the area that he would not attack if they gave assistance.

If any ship will assist the ship-wrecked Laconia crew, I will not attack providing I am not being attacked by ship or air forces. I picked up 193 men. 4, 53 South, 11, 26 West. ― German submarine.
This is the message that the U-boat captain sent.

On september 16th a USAAF from Ascension Island.  spotted the four subs with red crosses draped over the gun decks. The rescue was red cross sanctioned but the bomber crew did not know that. The crew was ordered to bomb the subs which it did and the subs forced the survivors that were on board out the subs and dived to avoid the bombing. later a majority of the survivors were picked up. Admiral Karl Dˆnitz gave strict orders after this that the Uboats were not to help survivors of the ships they sunk from that point on. 1,649 most of the lives lost were POWs but Vichy French ships rescued 1,083 persons from the lifeboats and took aboard those picked up by the four submarines. a total of 1,500 passengers survived.


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Interesting.

Remember when you mention these events to add a year to them so we know what and when your talking about.



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sorry about that I forgot to add the date it was 12 September 1942 that it was torpedoed.


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After the war the allies tried to use the order Admiral Karl Dˆnitz gave against   him after the war during the Nuremberg trial along with War Order No. 154.


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^ Yet at the Nuremberg trials the prosecution of Dˆnitz for the Laconia order was mostly abandoned, partly due to the testimony of US admiral Chester W. Nimitz that US submarines in the Pacific theater of the war were under pretty much the same orders (very little was publicized about the submarine warfare in the Pacific until well after the war).
Submarine warfare is particularly nasty. In most cases the crews of ships sunk would stand very little chance to be rescued. Other ships in a convoy would not stop to pick up survivors for fear of being attacked themselves, for the same reason (and the fact that there is very little room on them) submarines would usually not make any attempts to pick up survivors, and escort ships too were first and foremost out to attack the submarines rather than taking the risk of stopping and picking up survivors. So in most cases no serious rescue attempts were undertaken to begin with. And also much of the submarine warfare took place in the North Atlantic where the icy water would kill most of the unlucky sailors unlike in case of the Laconia which was sunk in comparatively warm waters of the African shore.
In addition to the order not to safe enemy sailors, there were also cases in which sailors of sunk or sinking ships were actually shot by the crews of German, Japanese, and American submarines. Submarine commander Heinz-Wilhelm Eck was the only submarine commander tried for war crimes (though to be sure he was not the only German submarine commander to have committed this kind of crimes). He had shot survivors of the Greek freighter Peleus and was executed for this in 1945.
However the same kind of crimes were committed by allied submarine commanders as well (which does not mitigate the horror of atrocities committed by one side but rather increases the horror of the overall picture). US submarine commander Dudley W. Morton for example shot Japanese sailors of ships he had sunk without facing any legal consequences from this though it has been speculated that it was for these actions that he did not get the medal of honor (on the other hand he is held in proud memory as a hero of the Pacific war and a destroyer of the US navy was named after him). The same kind of action (machine gunning sailors drifting in the water) did not prevent British submarine commander Anthony Miers from getting the Victoria Cross though. In submarine warfare there are few examples of the participants shining for humane treatment of the victims :(
Another example of atrocities against defenseless enemy combatants would be the practice of shooting enemy airmen after they bailed out of damaged planes and were dangling on parachutes. But I guess this would be off topic unless we intent to widen the scope of this thread.