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Beyond the Mysterious Beyond => The Party Room => Ask Me => Topic started by: Campion1 on July 30, 2010, 08:25:03 PM
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Something campion ask.
No one knows me here but hey, I'm bored. Ask me about anything, personal or not personal. About movies, games, or anything like that.
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What's your favorite movie and video game?
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What's your favorite movie and video game?
There was once a time when "The shining" was my favorite movie, but that's kinda changed. One of my all time favorite directors would have to be John woo, who made my number one favorite film "The Killer." It combined some of his best elements, and truly tore at my heartstrings. The first 10 minutes sets up the plot very well, and just the overall idea is dramatic. Watching The land before time again made me think about what can make an animated movie shine, but it hasn't trumped my love for The Killer. Bullet in the Head may have gotten unforgivingly cruel half way, and it was a good film as well, but that seemed big budget compared to The Killer. It sucks that so little people know about it.
As for my favorite game, Resident Evil 2 and Another world tie up. If push came to shove, Another world would have it. Both the game and it's creator (Eric Chahi) have inspired me in so many ways that it's not even funny.
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Stupid Question:
What are your major pet peeves?
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Stupid Question:
What are your major pet peeves?
I'm sorry I didn't see this yet!
So, my major pet peeves? Let me think... People who blast loud music in their cars. Why does it have TO BE SO LOUD!? Another one is when random people say that playing video games means you have no life. HOW STUPID! :anger
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MERRYCHRISTMAS!!!
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hate to be a spammer, but bump! :p
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How much of watership have you seen/read? ;)
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haha, oh youu
I have read every page of watership, analyzed them like crazy, read the "sequel" fully, watched all three of the seasons of the show completely, and probably seen the movie about 40 times. This also includes the making of's and whatnot. I have read just about every watership fanfic available on fan fiction.com, and have stumbled across the more "adult" creations of the material. The only thing I await now is the inevitable CG reboot, which I know will happen. It just will..
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Which do you like better? The Watership Down movie or tv series?
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The TV series, most definitely, it just has so much more to offer, but I will say that the movie got me into everything. However, when I finally got my hands on the book, I started to like the movie a little less, but it still has it's place for me.
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Is the tv series a sequel to the movie or does it happen at the same time as a spinoff? Because several characters from the movie that died are in the show (like Gen. Woundwort and Blackavar for example), that was what confused me in the first episode.
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The series is a complete take on the book itself and is in it's own universe. It even has some small hints of things from the second watership book, which I did catch on further inspection. Things like this and the actual references it does use from the first book are entirely missed from the absolutely bizarre fandom that watership has. Everyone just rips it apart for being a cartoon and making blackberry a female.
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There's a second? I thought there was only a first book, then ten shorter books, Tales from Watership Down or something like that. :unsure:
But I'd have to say I prefer the movie over the tv series so far, I've only seen the first episode and the two with the weasel, the second was rushed, how could six rabbits kill a weasel that big by jumping on it? :bang
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Because, for one, the kill wasn't even on camera, and for two we're talking about bigwig, the mighty warrior who stopped woundwort and actually introduced fear into his soul. If you doubt him being able to kill a weasel, you don't even know who he is.
Bigwig is the original Campion, and a rabbit take on 007 and other spy fiction
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Got me there. And I forgot to ask, was Campion killed in the movie? I saw a few rabbits that looked like him getting torn apart by the dog at the end. :unsure:
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Campion, I do not think, was killed in the movie. However, of note, is that most of the efrafa rabbits do look the same, apart from Chervil (if I remembered him correctly) Campion actually didn't have a vital part in the movie as the other captain's did, but still played as Woundwort's silent go-to
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Do you have some favourite WD fanfics?
What do you mean by "adult material"? The type with much of blood or with rather... ekhem... sensual stuff?
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What do you mean by "adult material"? The type with much of blood or with rather... ekhem... sensual stuff?
Don't ask... :crazy I doubt he meant gore...
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Do you have some favourite WD fanfics?
What do you mean by "adult material"? The type with much of blood or with rather... ekhem... sensual stuff?
Sadly I do not. And by adult material, I meant straight up 34 :p
Anymore watership questions? This is fun
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Of course. :neutral
Would you want a sequel made if it was animated like the first film over CGI or the tv series style?
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You know what? What the hell. Go CG. we've already got a crap load of the series and people would just complain if it looked cartoony again. I don't know how a sequel could be made considering watership wraps itself up. I think the main draw for the film was that it was about rabbits killing each other and dying. All they would have to do is keep the tone and do that by about x2 and it would become a cult classic again today, regardless if it's good or not. That's what the film was back in 78, and I think it would break new ground today as a cg film in 2011 or whatever.
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You know what? What the hell. Go CG. we've already got a crap load of the series and people would just complain if it looked cartoony again.
I prefer traditionally animated films in the style of the first Land Before Time or Watership Down.
Who is your favorite character from the Watership Down franchise?
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I do too, but we need something to bring a spark to CG like watership did for animation.
Now, my favorite character? Campion of course... I admit, I really liked Bigwig in the book, but he just seemed a little too overpowered to win me over. Campion did it for me, because he belonged to a flawed force. He knew it was flawed, but it was what he grew on, and woundwort was important to him. Eventually he was noticed by watership and had to play spygames with woundwort and his rival Vervain. When things started to finally make sense for him, disaster struck, and at the breaking point, he sacrificed himself for woundwort. (spoilers) He is brought back by the black rabbit himself, but his death alone effects EVERYONE, and woundwort even mourns his death. Not only that, but it brought him a realization about himself. I think Campion is a force more than just an individual.
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Gen. Woundwort mourns :o
Does Campion live in the tv series too? It says he does on Wikipedia and Watership Down Wiki, but you know how reliable they can be without references. :rolleyes
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Yes, he does live, but at one point he dies. He is brought back by the black rabbit with the command of ending woundwort. Eventually some things happen (i won't say anything) and he does get to settle down in the end.
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I read this on Watership Down wiki:
In the animated series, Campion sees that Woundwort's leadership is destroying Efrafa, but is torn between his feelings for the free ways of Watership Down and his loyalty to his chief rabbit. In the end, Campion turns against Woundwort to save his friend's warren, yet sacrifices himself to save Woundwort from a falling rock. Surviving miraculously but with terrible scars and losing an ear, Campion is touched by the Black Rabbit of InlÈ and is tasked with stopping Woundwort. Feeling empty and half-dead, Campion's will to live is returned thanks to the love of Blackberry. He finally settles with her on Watership Down.
Apparently he is killed in the rockslide that nearly killed Gen. Woundwort and he ends up killing Gen. Woundwort after the black rabbit saves him, but it doesn't say how. And didn't you say Blackberry was a male in the movie?
But if Campion betrays Gen. Woundwort, why would he have tried to save him? Or was he still torn between the two families?
I'm going to have to watch it sometime so I can find out myself, maybe tommorow, its getting late here (9:00 is late according to my parents on school days :rolleyes ).
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Campion did not kill woundwort, and blackberry was a male in the movie.
what you need to understand is that woundwort found and rose efrafa from it's weak state. He looked out for all of it's members and created a new system that gave everyone power in him. Anyone that was in the owsla looked up to woundwort and admired him, and even campion continued wide patrols after he died in the first book. The reason why so many rabbits in it were desperate was because he became too tight and violent. He was still a strategic person, but too power hungry. That's why it tore at campion. He looked up to woundwort like a leader, and it was against his nature to turn on him.
In retrospect I think campion was the only one that could have actually killed woundwort. Bigwig had his chance in the show, but due to it coming near an end they had to make some cuts.
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In the animated series, Campion sees that Woundwort's leadership is destroying Efrafa, but is torn between his feelings for the free ways of Watership Down and his loyalty to his chief rabbit. In the end, Campion turns against Woundwort to save his friend's warren, yet sacrifices himself to save Woundwort from a falling rock. Surviving miraculously but with terrible scars and losing an ear, Campion is touched by the Black Rabbit of InlÈ and is tasked with stopping Woundwort. Feeling empty and half-dead, Campion's will to live is returned thanks to the love of Blackberry. He finally settles with her on Watership Down.
I've just had a weird thought. What if Black Rabbit of Inle planned on Woundwort dying from that falling rock in cave, but because of Campion's intervention that didn't happen? Therefore BR had to employ a backup plan, so everything would end as he originally intended: Watership Down being safe, Woundwort dead and Campion being happy with Blackberry. Hmm... Maybe they should rename season 3 as "Watership Down: Final Destination"? :D
And considering what was the result of Campion's sacrifice in the long run, one could say it was a case of Nice Job Breaking It Hero. Then again Hazel was more responsible for "breaking it", because of him deciding to attack Efrafa when Woundwort had a change of heart.
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Personally I don't think the black rabbit planned for anyone being happy, but had a problem with efrafa and woundwort period. It is interesting to bring up Campion intervening with the BL's plan of killing woundwort, considering BL resurrected him and tasked him with killing woundwort, maybe as a punishment? who knows. I always questioned why the BL hated woundwort so much. But I guess woundwort is just something special, having survived death like campion, but not by the black rabbit's er, paw..
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Who is your favourite secondary character from tv-series?
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I guess Woundwort, but I like Hazel as well. Woundwort isn't as simplistic as he was in the movie, and I like his depth, especially when he grew a bond with pipkin.
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By secondary character I meant the one who is a bit less important than main characters.
I agree. That episode with Pipkin and Woundwort showed that General is a villain with a heart. :)
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Oh, I see. Well, that's hard to answer. I guess I liked captain moss. He showed signs of wanting to defect as well. I kinda like Vervain a little, if not for just how disgusting he is. All of these things work because they aren't entirely one dimensional.
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All of these things work because they aren't entirely one dimensional.
Yes. I remember Vervain saying "Shouldn't we warn them? Give them a fighting chance? They are rabbits after all..." when men was about to destroy Redstone Warren and Woundwort used that to get seer Silverweed from Cowslip.
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Yes, that was a good example of his softer side. I remember reading a fanfiction, I think from the starter of thankustars.com, where vervain was paired up with Hazel and bigwig. It was nice a portrayal of how that would turn out.
more questions? :)
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Heh. I remember it. He pretended to have some disease to scare off group of foxes. :D
Favourite episode/plot from series?
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Hmm. I don't know... I think I like "Homecoming," especially the final four minutes or so. Would have to think about that.
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Favourite quote from series?
Hmm... Does my questions become monothematic? :DD
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No, i just think we're both really into watership. It's nice that you like it, i never got to talk about it in depth with some fans before because they didn't care
No quotes pop up in my favorite list. maybe there are some, but I guess they don't matter if I can't remember them.
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The fans didn't care about it enough to talk about it? :blink:
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Yes, i swear, I am not making that up. I remember a long time ago I talked to a member from inleh-rah's forum and whenever I brought up the subject he just rejected it and said there was no reason to bring it up. There's a large part of the fandom that will make art of the film, characters, quote etc. but whenever you get into a discussion about the themes of the movie and mention the book they tend to shy away. At least this has happened to me anyway.
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That's a bit strange.
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I know. I think the watership fandom is really messed up. I wish so many didn't hate so hard on the series as well.
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Characters you don't like?
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None.
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Favourite part of the movie?
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Probably the ending scene with the final battle between woundwort and bigwig. It gets pretty intense, I remember I played some of at a party and people thought it was so cool. I also like, for the some reason, the part where they have to cross the pond to avoid the dog. (Well that does it then!) Also the scene with the quote "The council were merciful!" was very well done. it's scary through blackvar's reaction, and the captain's subtle actions.
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1. When did you first find out about Watership Down?
2. When did you first read Watership Down?
3. When did you first read Tales from Watership Down?
4. When did you first watch Watership Down?
5. When did you first watch Watership Down: The Series?
6. What would you change about Watership Down? The movie and the tv series.
7. Who is your least favorite Watership Down character?
8. Who is your favorite Watership Down creature?
9. Who is your least favorite Watership Down creature?
10. Which is your favorite episode from the tv series?
11. Which story from Tales from Watership Down is/was your favorite?
12. Which do you prefer? Watership Down or Tales from Watership Down?
Is that enough Watership Down questions? :smile :angel
Also, who is that in your signature? He reminds me of Chris "Con Artist" (http://conartistgames.com/).
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Who you are seeing in the signature is Chow yun fat and his character from the movie "A better tomorrow 2." Now, onto your watership questions:
1. I first found out about watership when an old friend of mine simply showed me an image of a crazed, blood covered rabbit and gave me a name. I can't give a date.
2. I was able to read watership about a month after I saw the movie.
3. About a year ago, I received Tales of watership down as a present for christmas, and read it under a week flat. (too longer due to being busy)
4. I was able to watch watership down whenever I looked up it up online. I originally watched on youtube.
5. I don't remember. I remember taking a while to watching more of it because I was put off by some of the things it had.
6. For the movie, I would have taken out the meaningless bits with the the barn fight with the rats, and mixed the scene with violets death with meeting the mouse, then have a scene for the things that went on on the boat. For the show, I would have added Woundwort's council and want it to end right instead of the rushed ending.
7. None.
8. The dog. He was just so hateful and insane for no real reason!
9. I can't say.
10. As was said, Homecoming.
11. For El-ahrairah's bit, "The story of the terrible hay-making" was just awesome. I liked how he transformed in front of the rabbits and tricked them into thinking he was someone different, and the ending of the chapter is just so dark, it's great. For the watership bits, well, as I have said, I think the whole thing with with the new doe (it's been a while since i read the sequel again) could have been fleshed out and turned into something better. But I will say my favorite chapter was "Campion" as it further touched on woundwort's influence and had hazel and campion meeting again since the events of the first book. It also talks about wide patrols and efrafa and whatnot. That's good.
12. Watership Down.
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That's how I first saw Watership Down, on youtube, because a friend on another said to watch the film, and she was right, it was very interesting to the end.
Anyway, which do you like better. Watership Down or The Land Before Time? If you can't answer this, I understand.
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Watership down. It creates a unique world based off of our own and does so many things with it.
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Have you heard of Animals of Farthing Wood? Its alot like Watership Down, only its more about foxes than rabbits.
Its really good, and you can watch it here. http://www.youtube.com/user/Rebseh#g/u (http://www.youtube.com/user/Rebseh#g/u)
The first 13 episodes are uploaded as one video or three seperate, but for seasons 2 and 3, they're uploaded as seperate videos. But the major difference is, there isn't as much blood as Watership Down, only very rarely, but books are a different story.
If you want to watch them in order, start at the bottom of the playlist and go to the top. They're in order by how they happen. Episode 1 part 1, part 2, part 3, Episode 2 part 1, etc.
EDIT: It starts to get better around episode six, but you should start at episode one (if you do watch it), so you know what's going on.
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Yes, I have heard of animals of farthing wood, I have watched some episodes. I'm not a fan.
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Okay. I was just wondering.
Besides LBT and Watership Down, what movies do you like? Animation, CGI and Live Action.
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I like action movies, thriller movies, and thinker films. Examples would be any film made by John Woo (at least any film he directed in china), Die hard, The shining, Alien/Aliens, some other films...
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Have you ever seen Dog Soldiers?
Its really interesting for a werewolf movie. :yes
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No.
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Have you ever seen any of the Aherlock Holmes films? this doesn't uiinclude the recent omne with Robert Downey Jr.
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I haven't seen them, but the newer movie kind of got me interested in his character. Only just a little.
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Which version of Campion do you prefer? The movie Campion or the tv series Campion?
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The tv Campion! <3 him :yes
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Who do you think would have made a better villian if Woundwort did die in the first episode of season 3? Vervain(:p) or the season three weasel?
I already know that most hate the fact that Blackberry is a female in the tv series and that is why I'm asking. Which do you prefer, the male or female Blackberry?
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Answer to first question: Neither. Woundwort is the driving force for the third half of watership. He is a good character (although a bit one dimensional) in the third season.
I already know that most hate the fact that Blackberry is a female in the tv series and that is why I'm asking. Which do you prefer, the male or female Blackberry?
I hate it when people bring this up, because it doesn't matter. Nobody would have complained if Blackberry was a SHE in the movie. Period. Because all that matters for that character is that they're the idea thinker. The Series blackberry didn't have that trait, so that's probably why it was extremely noticeable. If you ask me, I would prefer blackberry being a doe, because then it wouldn't make the goals of our heroes so simpleminded. (OBTAIN DOES, REPRODUCE)
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Your probably right there. And I have to agree with you, I do prefer the doe Blackberry, and I think she did do something good thinking in the series, just not as much in the movie.
Anyway, do you know why Bigwig, the weasel, Fiver, Primrose, Moss, Pipkin, Keehar, Hannah, Yona, Hawkbit, Darklink, Clover and Dandelion look so different in season 3 than in seasons one and two?
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Because that's when the series decided to darken it's mood.