The Gang of Five
The Land Before Time => General Land Before Time => Topic started by: dragoonanime on June 18, 2009, 02:16:57 AM
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I think it was interesting how there were 4 sequels were something changed the valley for the worse resulting in the herd leaving in two of them for a while.
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I don't think any of the sequels could be considered "dark" per say, but if we're talking about the sequel that was the most serious with the most mature topic, that would definitely be LBT 4 because it deals with death.
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I voted 13
Why?
I seem to recall those yellow belly clowns as scary.
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I voted for LBT IV, for the same reason as Landbeforetimelover. It also had perhaps the scariest close call in a sequel, which was when Ducky was dropped by Ichy, ended up with her lights knocked out, and was almost eaten by Dil. The first time I saw that one, I thought she was a goner (dead folks float in water) :(.
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I wonder if LBT 14 would be dark.
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I'd say either 4 since it deals with a possible death of Littlefoot's grandfather, and for a while there it does look like Ducky may be dead or soon will be. Possibly parts of 7 the deal with kidnapping and such, though it's spoiled by various elements such as the et dinos.
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To be honest I still think LBT13 is the darkest.
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LBT 4 too.
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Definately 4 and 7.
Both dealt with darker and more mature topics (death and kidnapping respectively).
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Land before Time 4 :)
the same idea as everyone elses
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I actually thought the beginning of LBT 13 was really quite dark, among the darkest moments in the series so far. Still, I have a hard time calling LBT 13 dark overall.
I would probably go with LBT 7 and Pterano's character.
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I do find LBT 13 dark especially the yellow bellies.
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i would say its definitely either 4 or 7 for the reasons already mentioned here.
one scene in particular i do find slightly disturbing in LBT 7 is the flashback scene where, i think its Littlefoot's grandparents, or someone explaining what happened when Pterano broke off and took alot of the herd with him.
we don't actually see any dinosaurs being directly attacked during the flashback, but the look of horror on Pterano's face during it and merely imagining what is happening to all of them is a bit chilling.
Given the very kid friendly nature of the sequels up to that point, im surprised that scene even made it into the movie.
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Dunno if I could really brand any of the sequels as "dark" exactly. There's nothing particularly sinister about any of them apart from the odd event. Like in LBT 13, the start of that was a bit of a shocker to witness given how the rest of the movie pans out. I guess, if I absolutely HAD to place a darkest plot sticker on one of the sequels, I'd say 4 since (as most of you have already said) it has the closest dealings with death. But I still wouldn't class it fully as a dark story :p
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I was very pleased with the beginning of LBT 13. Though I had no desire to watch Grandma die, it did have subject matter that was significantly more mature than in earlier sequels. Unfortunately it went from being the most mature sequel to the least with those crazy ass yellow bellies. :rolleyes: LBT 13 is definitely my least favorite sequel.
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I was very pleased with the beginning of LBT 13. Though I had no desire to watch Grandma die, it did have subject matter that was significantly more mature than in earlier sequels. Unfortunately it went from being the most mature sequel to the least with those crazy ass yellow bellies. :rolleyes: LBT 13 is definitely my least favorite sequel.
Wait...Grandma Longneck dies? What the hell happened in that movie?
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No, though I dislike saying spoilers, she doesn't die in that movie. The movie starts off ok, but becomes pretty silly.
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So would there be any future sequel.
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Not from what we've heard so far. News has spread that the LBT offices have since packed up and shipped out so it doesn't look likely to be any more LBT for a while.
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I didn't vote for it, but I think the first one has some dark moments, like when Littlefoot mom dies that fight with the T-Rex, there was also that scene where Petrie was thought to have died, Ducky was so sad. I never saw the 4th as being the dark, even with the Grandpa possiblity of dieing but that's just me. I saw the 7th as being dark for one Pteraon was watching those meat eaters killing off those dinos, then one just dropping over the edge to her doom and he did nothing to help. Well those are my opinions. I never saw the 13th one.
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I voted for Land Before Time II. Why? Because after a little bit of thought, I decided that in spite of their somewhat humorous moments, Ozzy (in particular) and Strut (not so much) were rather dark villains. Ozzy could have just lived in the Valley and ate plants, but he was so obsessed with eggs he couldn't he also bullied his younger brother into following him in the process preventing Strut from eating plants, in spite of Strut's complaints of being starved. They tried to kill Littlefoot becuase he constantly got in their way and I don't remember whether they were going to kill the rest of the gang when they had them cornered on that ledge and got scared off by Chomper's shadow. It also showed the Valley as being dangerous with the sinking sand and the geyser that Littlefoot almost gets hit by, the volcano too.
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I was very pleased with the beginning of LBT 13. Though I had no desire to watch Grandma die, it did have subject matter that was significantly more mature than in earlier sequels. Unfortunately it went from being the most mature sequel to the least with those crazy ass yellow bellies. :rolleyes: LBT 13 is definitely my least favorite sequel.
Wait...Grandma Longneck dies? What the hell happened in that movie?
No she didn't die in fact the beginning of LBT13 and Littlefoot's first dream sequence are the only good parts of that movie, the songs and those stupid dodo birds ruined it almost completely :lol but I voted for LBT4 why because Grandpa Longneck almost dies and it includes the Land Of Mists AKA prehistoric Silent Hill.
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I actually watched 13, and yeah, it really does sucks as much as everyone says.
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I couldn't watch it at least not to the end at least there's a dream sequence where the dodos die and heck,two of them actually JUMP off the old knocked over tree.
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Ah well. I suppose every series has its Phantom Menace, although this film was by far the worst of the two.
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I kinda hate the last three LBT films which is why I always prefered 1-10.
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I don't know, I thought 12 was OK. Anyway, I thought that 4 was probably the darkest sequel.
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(double post, sorry about that)
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so did I ,I remember recently I watched it on the PC,got bored,then threw in some SH music and that intesfied the movie heck,the land of mists is silent hill just look at all that fog :lol
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Oh, I might add, besides dealing with death though, 4 did have an awesome cave sequence which is very dark and one of the best sequences of the seuqels. :) But that's not what I'm voting for. I'm gong with 3...it's all about the herbivores facing drought that'll eventually kill them all. 5 starts out in a similar manner but then it took on a new storyline of how they'll get off the island...and then brought in another storyline about Chomper. Which is part of the reason 5 is a mess---it felt like they couldn't settle with one storyline and in the end took a lot of time into resolving the lame Chomper one while resolving the other 2 (the herbivores finding food and the gang getting off the island) quickly and unthoughtfully. <_<
But movie 3...it's awesome. ;)
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Huh, I apparently already voted in this poll but I can't for the life of me recall what I put. Maybe 3.
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I said three, probably because of the some of the violence at the end of the films.
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Always wanted to post here.
My choice is The Land Before Time 4. That's how Land Before Time sequels should be done. Having a conflict based around some flyer festival (LBT 12) or a candy tree (LBT 11) is not a good way to create an epic, unforgettable story. The LBT 11 and 12 were enjoyable enough, but they simply can't beat the Journey to the Mists.
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The Roy Allen Smith sequels, (earlier ones) while was still very much light hearted in comparison to the original, still had an interesting "feel" to it that was a nice mixture of goofiness and some element of danger. Out of the Roy Smith ones, I have to side with the majority and say Land Before Time IV had the darkest theme. It dealt solely with Little Foot's grandfather dying, a bit more subtle racism (i.e. Ali) then Mr. Three Horn's, "Three Horns never waste water, but your herds do!" in the third sequel, and mostly darker scenes like what Cancerian Tiger said about Ducky, and the Land of Mists, while not as perilous as what the kids cross in the first film, still pretty spooky.
Out of the Charles Grosvenor movies, definitely Land Before Time VII, as it actually deals with kidnapping, lust for power, manipulating family members, sending part of a herd to their deaths, even if it was unintentional, it was still reckless and stupid, back stabbing cohorts, coming to terms that just because you may love a family member doesn't mean you have to agree with them and their actions.
In the end however, I'm going with 4.
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I'd say maybe 4 overall. & has dark elements, spoiled by the alien rainbowface reveal at the end. leaving them a mystery would have been better. 5 starts off a bit dark but not like 4 dealing, like mentioned above, with the possibility of Littlefoot's grandfather possibly dieing. Though 2 dealing with egg stealers/eaters had dark elements also, and the way one of them stole one ducky's parent's unhatched egg. Though spoiled a bit by how the egg got back to the nest.
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LBT 5 since the Gang got separated from their families like in the Original plus their home was destroyed. LBT 3 and LBT 4 were quite dark, too.
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If a movie 14 ismade it needs a darker storyline, after 13.
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I totally agree! LBT 13 was ridiculous but sadly chances are low that there'll be another movie at all anytime :(
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definitely Land Before Time VII, as it actually deals with kidnapping, lust for power, manipulating family members, sending part of a herd to their deaths, even if it was unintentional, it was still reckless and stupid, back stabbing cohorts, coming to terms that just because you may love a family member doesn't mean you have to agree with them and their actions.
That's what I went with - it wasn't every LBT episode you saw that dealt with (unintentional) dino-slaughter, extortion to some point, kidnapping, and forgiveness all jammed into one...
...and Dr. Who even visited :lol
For that, I choose 7!
4 came close because as I see, it dealt a lot with the possibility of losing a loved one - circle of life, which is always tricky to explain, and Dil I remember seemed a heckuva lot more threatening than Sharptooth 1.
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For me it is a close race between the fourth and seventh films, for the reasons that others have indicated. I would have to say, however, that LBT 4 would be my vote for darkest sequel simply for the way it was presented to the audience.
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In my opinion, it would be IV or II, but neither is very dark. And I find LBT I darkest indeed.
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VII always struck me as the darkest (of the sequels) given Pterano's backstory.
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Well, "darkest story" is pretty tough to define... Each individual has his own themes more dark than another. There can be small dark moments, or general dark atmosphere...
Many LBT sequels had that in them, actually.
II has first true villains and their horrific actions.
III, possibly, has the most dark general atmosphere, from beginning till the end, with all this situation with water during all the movie, worse conflicts between herds, near-death of Great Valley and its residents because of lack of water and fire, and then situation repeated in Mysterious Beyond.
IV has theme of near-death of your close relative, and very dangerous travel to Land of Mists.
In V herds left valley because of danger of hunger, travel through lifeless land again, with more conflicts between herds, each time Gang stepped into Big Water something very bad happened, their parents for a long time thought their children could be dead.
In VII we have horrific Pterano's backstory and his relationships with other herds, and his actions, together with two villainous accomplices, make situation nearly repeat again.
In XI herd of tinysaures was hunted down during all the movie, because... you know why.
And that's just some of them I can tell about right away, without deep thoughts, and I didn't list some other movies, though I can say something about them as well right now.
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I would say the sequel with the darkest story is most likely Stone of Cold Fire.
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I think it's almost unanimous to say IV and/or VII has the darkest story.
I also agree that the nightmare of Grandma dying in XIII was pretty unnerving.
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I also agree that the nightmare of Grandma dying in XIII was pretty unnerving.
Oh, good point. I forgot about that part.
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I also agree that the nightmare of Grandma dying in XIII was pretty unnerving.
Oh, good point. I forgot about that part.
Yeah I remember that scene being really unsettling when I first saw it. Especially for a film that has a very silly tone throughout. Also the scene where Littlefoot has the same dream but with the Yellow Bellies instead was also pretty unsettling.
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I also agree that the nightmare of Grandma dying in XIII was pretty unnerving.
Oh, good point. I forgot about that part.
Yeah I remember that scene being really unsettling when I first saw it. Especially for a film that has a very silly tone throughout. Also the scene where Littlefoot has the same dream but with the Yellow Bellies instead was also pretty unsettling.
Yeah, in hindsight, that scene was pretty out of place in a movie like that.
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I am currenrly rewatching LBTII, and honestly the fact that the gang nearly drowns in the sinking sand is really dark. For one is eatablished that the Great Valley is not a paradiso, that even in the glorious “Promise Land” one’s life can be snuffed out. This frankly is a major shift, the Original film made the Mysterious Beyond a place of purgatory and danger, but the Great Valley as untouched by predators or threats. LBTII undos this illusion, adding eggstealers, sinking sand and eventually sharpteeth in the form of Chomper’s parents. The writers wanted to make it clear the Great Valley isn’t safe, just safer than the Mysterious Beyond.
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I am currenrly rewatching LBTII, and honestly the fact that the gang nearly drowns in the sinking sand is really dark. For one is eatablished that the Great Valley is not a paradiso, that even in the glorious “Promise Land” one’s life can be snuffed out. This frankly is a major shift, the Original film made the Mysterious Beyond a place of purgatory and danger, but the Great Valley as untouched by predators or threats. LBTII undos this illusion, adding eggstealers, sinking sand and eventually sharpteeth in the form of Chomper’s parents. The writers wanted to make it clear the Great Valley isn’t safe, just safer than the Mysterious Beyond.
You know, I wrote a perfectly good post/review on how LBT II was pretty much a deconstruction of the first film and why that process (unintentional or not) helped it stand out as a sequel. It pretty much covers all of what you just wrote at length.
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I am currenrly rewatching LBTII, and honestly the fact that the gang nearly drowns in the sinking sand is really dark. For one is eatablished that the Great Valley is not a paradiso, that even in the glorious “Promise Land” one’s life can be snuffed out. This frankly is a major shift, the Original film made the Mysterious Beyond a place of purgatory and danger, but the Great Valley as untouched by predators or threats. LBTII undos this illusion, adding eggstealers, sinking sand and eventually sharpteeth in the form of Chomper’s parents. The writers wanted to make it clear the Great Valley isn’t safe, just safer than the Mysterious Beyond.
You know, I wrote a perfectly good post/review on how LBT II was pretty much a deconstruction of the first film and why that process (unintentional or not) helped it stand out as a sequel. It pretty much covers all of what you just wrote at length.
Share the link and I’ll read it. :ChomperPOG