The Gang of Five
The Land Before Time => 1988 Theatrical Release => Topic started by: Megatoph on July 21, 2006, 12:43:50 AM
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ok one thing I don't git is how can Littlefoots mother could have died with just a bite in her back? I mean heck bite me in the back and i'm still good for miles! I'm not teasing the charactor or nothin heavens no. but its kinda strange when you think about it. that wound could have easly healed up. Dinosaurs where alot more durable than the producers of the first LBT movie thought.
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I think this is in the wrong section. ^^;
Anyway I don't think it was the bite alone that killed her. Even as a kid, I realized that the bite wasn't enough to kill, so perhaps the fall, if she did fall that is, may have had something to do with it. The earthquake could've caused more damage to her.
Or perhaps it was the bite all along. I mean this is a kids' movie. They may have lessened the detail of the wound for children's sake. It was probably much worse than what they showed in the movie. But if they made it too detailed, they could have just kissed their G rating goodbye.
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I understand you there. but i think kids are alot more smarter than every one likes to think. I had my cusin whos 4 years old and he didn't beleave that one bite could have killed here. he asked me too and I quote
Dave why did she die? it was just one bite.
I didn't say nothin' though. I did ask myself the same question however. maybe the earthquake did more damage than we saw I dunno.
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I never said children weren't that smart. Like I said, I knew what was shown couldn't have been the full picture.
But then again, it IS still possible for her to die from just one bite. After all, you have heard of komodo dragons, right? It only takes one of their powerful bites to kill prey.
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While the bite in the back is the only one we see I'm positive that there were other injuries along her neck as well (though we didn't see how they were inflicted). She may have suffered internal injuries from a fall. When a 30-40 ton dinosaur falls to the ground it is a different story than when a light human does. I suppose that scenes from the fight between Littlefoot's mother and the sharptooth were cut (most of the scenes that were cut from LBT were cut because they were considered too scary for kids) so maybe we didn't see several more painful moments. Maybe Littlefoot's mother could have survived if she had been in a place with enough food and water so she could have rested for some time. However I suppose that on that journey in the original LBT even a minor injury could proove fatal if it prevented somebody to continue the journey for several days. The strains of the previous journey may have further weakened Littlefoot's mother so the wounds took a more serious effect than they would have in case of a rested and well nourished longneck. Finally, important nerves are running along the spine, so an injury in that part of the body mustn't be underestimated.
PS: I moved the topic.
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Yeah, I agree. Though in the movie, the bite first appears on her back, and then appears on her neck. o_O Either way it's pretty much almost right on her vertebrate, very important part of the body. The fall could have broken some bones as well.
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Yep...what exactly was taken out in that bite? Could've been a very important organ or bone or something...also the other thing, even though it isn't shown, if it's big enough, you can bleed to death...
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The inury is varying in location and size, so it is difficult to say.
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There's also another factor to put into play. To pull off the bite, Sharptooth jumped right on the back of Mama Longneck. I'm sure that Sharptooth landing right on her back caused a few broken bones, maybe even other internal injuries. For all we know, there could've been internal bleeding. :blink:
The wound was indeed originally inflicted right near the joint between the neck and the spine. The animators just had trouble keeping the bite showing there. :rolleyes: Anyways, this made it and so that the neck of Mama Longneck was hanging by a thread. It was only a matter of time before the neck detatched from the spine.
In fact, the animators cut out alot of realisim with the bite itself. Under normal circumstances, a bite that huge would cause alot of bleeding. So there's the account of blood loss that we don't see due to the animators trying to cut it out.
Man, when you look at it like this, the creators kinda made Sharptooth look like a savage killer. I'm just glad he's dead now. -_-
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I know I'm gona be Bashed for saying this but even for a kids movie I think they cut out too many scenes.
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The scenes that were cut out from the movie, from I have been told a couple years back, were so scary even the people working on the movie were frightened half to death. So can you just imagine what would happen to the poor kids watching the movie if those scenes were left in?
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yeah I guess. I wonder what ever happend to thoughs clips anywho? your right though as much as I love Dinosaur violence and monster battles I agree with you. besides I love LBT as it is. no need to tamper with it.
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Sometimes I wish there was a way I could see those cut scenes. Ah well. I could always just use my imagination.
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thats how I make up my storys imagination. anywho back on topic. I guess we'll never know how exstinsive Mumma longneck injerys were.
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No, I guess not.
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the injury more likley ripped part of a vein out. then the earthquake entensified her injuries. that is how i see it
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There is an article in Don Bluth's Toon Talk magazine (Vol. 2 No. 1) on the matter of deleted sharptooth scenes. It reads:
The Tyrannosaurus Rex, non in color, was unusually dramatic. John, Gary, and myself set out for the meeting at 20th Century Fox's screening facility in London. The unveiling of our work was embraced, as expected, with grins, merry laughter, and even applause.
As the lights came up, so did Steven [Spielberg] and George [Lucas]. "It's too scary," both remarked. "We'll have kids crying in the lobby, and a lot of angry parents. You don't want that," Steven said. "Believe me guys, you don't want that." "Let's meet at Elstree Studio tomorrow, they have an editing room there," suggested George. "Good," Steven agreed, "we'll tame it down and cut some of the biting moments." John was speechless, Gary stunned and I was in retreat, into my head, behind bolted doors.
Directing a movie is like birthing children. To see it rushed into surgery, even for commercial reasons, somehow fractures one's enthusiasm. On that day, nineteen fully colored Rex scenes were cut from the movie, I mourned for a week. Were Steven and George right to do it? In hindsight I think yes. Land grossed $72 million worldwide, and became one of the supporting pillars for the animation renaissance.
Least you chose to forget, Land Before Time has been followed by six sequels, direct to video, that have generated in excess of $250 million.
That, you can't forget!
Apart from the interesting bits about the sharptooth scenes this article also gives some idea of Bluth's opinion of the sequels and the role money plays in LBT business.
There are some other interesting articles about Sharptooth in that magazine. Bluth obviously had a problem to see a character as a villain for merely following natures command. On the back of the magazine there is a big picture of sharptooth with the following line:
Sharp Toth isn't really bad,
he's just been grumpy all his life...
...he'll get over it.
As for deleted scenes, we can be quite sure that they haven't been destroyed but are catching dust in some archive. With the upcomming TV series there is perhaps (this is only my guess) a chance that there might be a rerelease with some deleted scenes in the bonus material.
From what Aria says Charles Grosvenor is supportive of the idea of deleted scenes as bonus materials (though when she wrote that she was probably refering to the sequels).
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ok one thing I don't git is how can Littlefoots mother could have died with just a bite in her back? I mean heck bite me in the back and i'm still good for miles! I'm not teasing the charactor or nothin heavens no. but its kinda strange when you think about it. that wound could have easly healed up. Dinosaurs where alot more durable than the producers of the first LBT movie thought.
That's because we bipedal apes don't have sharp, serrated teeth or jaws that can exert 3,000+ lbs of force on bone.
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A bite to he back of the neck is a different story than a bite to the back of the nack for a human, and it depends how bad the bite was, anyway.
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from what i've observed while watching it in the shadow you can see a vein being ripped out.
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They are not going that much into gory details. There is no shadow of which we could clearly identify such details as a vein. However, it is actually little sense in questioning the fact that Littlefoot's mother did suffer mortal wounds of some sort. I don't suppose she would pretend dying to go on alone, would she -_-
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it is actually little sense in questioning the fact that Littlefoot's mother did suffer mortal wounds of some sort. I don't suppose she would pretend dying to go on alone, would she
Well-put, Malte.
I suppose our community is trying to find something to talk about, as topics are running a bit thin lately.
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Yeah, in the shadows, that always just looked like skin coming off, rather than blood spurting when the Sharptooth was on Littlefoot's mom's back. In any case, that was the neck where he attacked (a vital spot). It probably just didn't kill her right away, but I always had the feeling that, at that point, the damage was done.
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As A Matter Of Fact, It's True. Littlefoot's Mother Did Died After Defeating The Sharptooth. That Was Very Brave Of Her. Poor Littlefoot's Mom. I Hope You'll Understand.
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I think the location of a dinosaur's jugular and carotid was the same as a human's. Perhaps one or both of them ended up severed. As for the bite to her back, keep in mind Sharptooth's jaws were massive. Therefore, the bite must've been very malicious. Not only was she bitten near or on the spine, but some of her peripheral nervous system neurons may have been severed, perhaps leaving her somewhat paralyzed. She had a good chunk of meat ripped right out of her. It definitely looked like something other than flesh. My theory is that she bled to death :(. Yeah, even a bite like that would cause massive blood loss. They did not even have surgeons, so her blood loss, along with her possibly being somewhat paralyzed on the side she was bitten, would've caused her inevitable death. As far as her fall is concerned, her species weighed thirty-five to forty tons. Imagine weighing that much and crashing down on solid, jagged rock. She probably had many broken bones and lacerated vital organs, causing internal bleeding. When the math is done, one could conclude that she died a slow and painful death :cry. At least she got to see her only child one last time. She is, in my eyes, a hero for having given her life so TWO would be saved. The fact that, despite the fact that racism existed among the dinosaurs, she saved Cera was a noble move on her part. I'm certain that, somewhere in his heart, Mr. Threehorn is grateful to Littlefoot's mother for having saved his daughter. I wish she had not died, for she was a very sweet and loving mother. I'm glad her death was not in vain, though. That's just my theory as to what her cause of death most likely was.
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So lets see
Sharptooth landing on her back possibility of breaking it, two bite marks high chances of losing blood, and the earthquake that did twice the damage... :huh: Yeah that pretty much cause her death.
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To tell you the truth I always thought the wound Sharptooth inflicted on her back and the one seen on her neck in one part of the scene were seperate injuries but there is a very high possibility she died of blood loss(like you said) plus she could have gained addional damage from the earthquake and falling on jagged rocks(I believe someone else said that).
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I wish that they had showed the rest of the earthquake scene. That way we would have known exactly how littlefoot's mother died. I think the fall killed her.
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It could be one of those things where there are several causes, or 1-2 main causes and 1-2 other events made things worst.
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I would like to see all of the cut scenes but for all we know they could've been incenerated.
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I have a feeling there somewhere in the Amblin Entertainment studios
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then again they could be.
come on Don Bluth we want deleted scenes :DD
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I have heard so many rumoors about those deleted scenes were destroyed. But Don Bluth has them. I mean who throws away stuff like that. :p
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maybe the editor for that matter with no knowledge that people may want to see those scenes
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Dude, deleted scenes get thrown away all the time. Nearly twenty extra minutes of the space battle in Return of the Jedi were filmed, but now only a few still shots remain because Lucas felt they had no purpose and destroyed them.
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well I'll be darned :lol
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Dude, deleted scenes get thrown away all the time. Nearly twenty extra minutes of the space battle in Return of the Jedi were filmed, but now only a few still shots remain because Lucas felt they had no purpose and destroyed them.
Being a film director you never know if the movie you're shooting will become a cult or no. :)
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Dude, deleted scenes get thrown away all the time. Nearly twenty extra minutes of the space battle in Return of the Jedi were filmed, but now only a few still shots remain because Lucas felt they had no purpose and destroyed them.
Being a film director you never know if the movie you're shooting will become a cult or no. :)
Well, at that point I think Lucas had realized Star Wars was a phenomenon, but didn't feel the need to archive every piece of film that was recorded. He even wanted the original film strips for each of the six movies destroyed, but starwars.com managed to make them into a collectible by placing one piece of film from the premire of each movie in a frame and then sold them off. I have one of them.
I guess no one really had the foresight to do anything like that with LBT, and, at least to begin with, it really didn't seem like it had that much of a cult following.