The Gang of Five
The Land Before Time => General Land Before Time => Topic started by: AvestheForumFox on December 04, 2007, 01:13:18 PM
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hope ya'l dont mind a post like this, as it relates directly to my first viewing of the sequels. Yesturday I watched movies 2 through 5 and a portion of 6 all for the first time... My thoughts?
The Bad:
1. The villains... mind numbingly stupid, the lot of them!
2. The villain's songs - OH MY GOD!
3. Am I the only one who wanted to pie the beginning narrator every time he said the word 'Dinosoar' all dramatic like?
4. Continuity problems. One scene shows Cera leaving the group refusing to join them, the next shows her actually with them. I think this was the scene where Littlefoot and the gang goes looking for the bullies to save them from uncertain trouble.
5. Ali's sudden change of heart about Littlefoot's friends. I felt it was an unnaturally rushed emotion. Though it can be justified that she needed help to save Littlefoot from the cave.
6. The sixth movie..... this one was almost a pain to watch, though I like the improvements in the artwork. Still, did we need Lone Ranger references in a prehistoric movie? and every time Littlefoot's granpa said the word 'Lone Dinosoar' while telling his story it made me wince a bit... I'll finish watching this one today to see if I like it any better =P
7. Cera's father is an idiot!
The Good:
1. Chomper <3
2. Chomper again :lol:
3. The scene where Littlefoot asks his granparents about babies.. their expressions = priceless. And I laughed! :lol:
4. Ali's cute ^_^ her scenes reminded me very much of Falene from Bambi, nice touch with Disney elements here and there.
5. Chomper :lol
6. The Fifth movie = My favorite!
7. I actually laughed some!
8. And last but not least, I actually enjoyed some of the songs! I was scared they'd make me hate the series before the end, but alas! (I only hate the villain's songs...) Always There nearly brought tears to my eyes when Littlefoot's part came. **sniffles**
More to come as I progress... special thanks to various members of YouTube for posting the full movies up (though its illegal) Hope I'm not such a cheat! XD
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I aggree with you that some songs aren¥t good chosen to the videos. Some of the songs make some people here, how could I say... crazy, like the one song in the TV episodes I feel so happy. But let the songs really hate you the movies? I mean, one could don¥t like something, but hate? Isn¥t that a bit to hard. :huh:
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I really disliked LBT 6 because it was sorta lame. I don't know how else to describe it. It's not fun to watch very much anymore for me. I'd say that's my most infrequently watched sequel.
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There are some movies I like better then others. Though even the ones I like least have some scenes I like. Once I get the dvd's I may just watch the individual scenes I like instead of the whole movie of the ones I like least when I'm not in the mood to watch the whole movie.
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I have to agree with what AvestheForumFox posted. LBT 6 is quite possibly my least favorite LBT movie of all time. Now, would you rank LBT 5 over LBT 1? It's not as stupid of a question as one may think... mabey. :lol:
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I have to agree with what AvestheForumFox posted. LBT 6 is quite possibly my least favorite LBT movie of all time. Now, would you rank LBT 5 over LBT 1? It's not as stupid of a question as one may think... mabey. :lol:
oh, most certainly not. the original is strictly without question the first and best of the series. no. 5 is just my favorite sequel so far
But let the songs really hate you the movies? I mean, one could don¥t like something, but hate? Isn¥t that a bit to hard
this does make me feel a bit bad. what I meant was that if the sequels were nothing more than a sing a song every few minutes (which it wasn't) that it would make me totally 'dislike' the sequels (the original would had never been included in there) hate was perhaps a bit over exaggerating. Which I do apologies
sorry :unsure:
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Like I said, there are a few sparse masterpieces hidden within the LBT songs, but there are some that I just plain loathe. My least favorite one of all time would have to be that "Who Needs You" thing from LBT 4. It makes an otherwise serious sequel (Littlefoot's grandpa is on his deathbed for crying out loud!) seems utterly silly.
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Like I said, there are a few sparse masterpieces hidden within the LBT songs, but there are some that I just plain loathe. My least favorite one of all time would have to be that "Who Needs You" thing from LBT 4. It makes an otherwise serious sequel (Littlefoot's grandpa is on his deathbed for crying out loud!) seems utterly silly.
i didn't like that song at all..
it sounded like two old married farts who were arguing over nothing. it was lazily pulled off and i could sense no efforts at all to make it worthy... not that it ever was 'worthy' like you said... it was totally out of story and a sore to the ears...
Always There ranks second place on my favorites just below 'If We Hold On Together'
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The song "Who Needs You." Reminds me of the few episodes I saw of The Honeymooners, though I doubt anyone her has heard of that tv series.
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The song "Who Needs You." Reminds me of the few episodes I saw of The Honeymooners, though I doubt anyone her has heard of that tv series.
It's actually one of my favorites. :^.^: I love the interaction between old Ralph and Norton! Too bad I can't see it anymore....
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"Who needs you" reminds me how childish the series really is. I like not to think of it that way though. So long as I avoid that song and "oops-eeps", I'm fine when watching LBT, but when I watch those songs, I think to myself "Why am I even bothering to watch this garbage?" It makes me question my liking of LBT sometimes when I watch those songs, so I avoid them at all costs. Another one was added to the list with LBT 13. "Yellow belly bounce" was horribly childish. I'm even thinking of cutting it out of the movie using a video splitter it was so bad. :(
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Yellow Belly Bounce was no worse than the others in LBT 13, in my opinion. I'd sooner cut "How Do You Know" then any of the others.
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I actually liked "how do you know"...until Petire came in and mutilated it. :lol
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oh my... i should probably be thanking you all for these warnings when i finally get to 13
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Ha ha ha, sorry.... :P:
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Ha ha ha, sorry.... :P:
No worries, I need these warnings XD
I've been trying to shovel them out of Action9000 so I'd know what to expect
I just hope there arent anymore Clint Eastwood/Lone Ranger esque scenes... God, those hurt
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oh my... i should probably be thanking you all for these warnings when i finally get to 13
Well, if you want a little more specific, the song was great until 58 seconds in when Petrie cut in. Littlefoot's voice was so good! Then Petrie has to cut in and totally mutilate the song, turning it into a childish horrible song. Worst rhymes that made me cringe the most were "tummy and mummy ( for mom)" *Cringe*. Then of course, the others supported him and said the same childish crap. That was one of the worst mutilations I've ever heard in any song! -_-
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One thing's for sure, though: If one wishes to know the target audience of the series, sequels, and television series, one does not need to look further than the "games" included on the LBT DVDs, how difficult they are, and their content. :rolleyes:
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One thing's for sure, though: If one wishes to know the target audience of the series, sequels, and television series, one does not need to look further than the "games" included on the LBT DVDs, how difficult they are, and their content. :rolleyes:
should I even tempt this?
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Like I said, there are a few sparse masterpieces hidden within the LBT songs, but there are some that I just plain loathe. My least favorite one of all time would have to be that "Who Needs You" thing from LBT 4. It makes an otherwise serious sequel (Littlefoot's grandpa is on his deathbed for crying out loud!) seems utterly silly.
When I was younger, I loved that song. It's probably the only LBT song (with the exception of If We Hold On Together) that I don't mind listening to nowadays.
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One thing's for sure, though: If one wishes to know the target audience of the series, sequels, and television series, one does not need to look further than the "games" included on the LBT DVDs, how difficult they are, and their content. :rolleyes:
should I even tempt this?
Assuming you actually have any of the latter LBT DVDs, then perhaps some things are best left unseen. The games would only be fun for someone who can count their age on one hand, two at the very most. I don't know about the content of the "15th Anniversary Edition" DVD for the original, whether it's condiiton is as that of the others.
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I like the LBT games on the DVD! They're sorta fun...the first time anyways. :lol
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I play them ONCE just to make sure the DVD works properly. :rolleyes:
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I copy all my dvd's so I don't have to buy them again if they get scratched. :P: I don't worry about disk corruption and crap like that. My dual layer dvd burner was really expensive though. -_-
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this does make me feel a bit bad
sorry, it wasn¥t meant bad or something like this. Just a question what interested me. So, if I let feel you bad, than I am sorry for this.
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seems like there are others who also share my dislike for LBT 6, though im not too surprised by this. As for those games on the DVD. Idon't even want to speak of them! I tried a couple of them and immediatley regretted playing them. I've never really hated the songs in LBT (excluding "oops-eeps" and all the times "I feel so happy" was repeated)
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I agree with you :lol:
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I don't think there's even one song in the TV series I could even say I liked. They were either tolerable or terrible. <_<
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There were a sparse few that I liked from the TV series (nothing that compared to some of the pieces in the sequels, though), such as "I Feel Mad" in "The Great Log-Running Game," "What To Do" in "The Forbidden Friendship," etc.
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LBT 6 seems to be rather unpopular. Personally I consider it one of the better sequels by Grosvenor. Though I wouldn't rank it as excellent I certainly prefer it to most of the other sequels done by him. It is the one movie in which Grosvenor included something mysterious but let it stay mysterious rather than being as obvious as in case of LBT 7. It was one of the few Grosvenor movies with decent sharpteeth (LBT 5 and 9 being the other two) and I found Dinah and Dana to be an interesting supplement. As for the music, there was no song which I would rank among my favorites, but neither was there any one which I really disliked. There were a few contradictions to other LBT movies (most notably Littlefoot's grandpa's remark about being told Great Valley legends when in the first movie they are all implied to see the Great Valley with their hearts only). The story seemed solid to me. While the legend did play an important role they never explicitly turned the myth into a fact or discarded it as a fairy tale so it was mostly left to us to decide whether or not we would like to consider Doc the lone dinosaur of the legend or just some taciturn loner who happens to be able to deal with sharpteeth.
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While the legend did play an important role they never explicitly turned the myth into a fact or discarded it as a fairy tale so it was mostly left to us to decide whether or not we would like to consider Doc the lone dinosaur of the legend or just some taciturn loner who happens to be able to deal with sharpteeth.
...until the TV series came along and shoved "The Lone Dinosaur" back into the series as a confirmed being and that Doc was, indeed, him. :rolleyes:
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I don't think there's even one song in the TV series I could even say I liked. They were either tolerable or terrible. <_<
or Oops Eeps (I can't put that in either of those categories :p)
Good Times Good Friends always sounds alright, and the We Need A Plan part seems too rock-ish for LBT, but the piece itself is still fairly good
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this does make me feel a bit bad
sorry, it wasn¥t meant bad or something like this. Just a question what interested me. So, if I let feel you bad, than I am sorry for this.
Oh no! I just felt bad for being possibly too offendish or too harsh, it wasnt you in the slightest. :p
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...until the TV series came along and shoved "The Lone Dinosaur" back into the series as a confirmed being and that Doc was, indeed, him.
As far as I know, Malte is still too afraid to watch the LBT tv eps after hearing about the one with the return of Ali.
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And I still think that the Ali return wasn't botched and that she acted like her normal self.
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...until the TV series came along and shoved "The Lone Dinosaur" back into the series as a confirmed being and that Doc was, indeed, him. rolleyes.gif
Another point for me not to be in too much of a hurry to let the TV series alter my view on LBT :bang
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I would not have been a happy camper if I never got to learn the real identity of Doc, if he was actually the Lone Dinosaur or not. At least that's one thing the TV series HAS done. Keeping a secret contained throughout the course of a film is one thing (and quite possibly a good thing, at that), but not spilling the beans at the end of the story or during another story is not good writing in my opinion. Where's the resolution in THAT?
And the obvious parody on The Long Ranger with LBT 6 is another mark against it for me. Of course, if we assume that the Lone Dinosaur is "real" on the LBT world, then we can't really hold that against it, but the parody cannot be ignored.
EDIT: Actually, did the TV series episode in question ever reveal it in the first place? It's been a few weeks since I have last seen the episode the one and only time that I have seen it, so my memory on it is not entirely clear.
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Ah, okey, than it¥s all right. But every time if I am hearing something like this, I remember the sentence of my father. Someone can¥t really hate anything, just don¥t like it. :lol
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Oh no! I just felt bad for being possibly too offendish or too harsh, it wasnt you in the slightest.
Ah, okey, than it¥s all right. But every time if I am hearing something like this, I remember the sentence of my father. Someone can¥t really hate anything, just don¥t like it. :lol
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I made it to 10! woohoo!
I'm ecstatic!
okay.. where do I begin?
first, I finished watching LBT6, granted I first thought the whole 'Lone Dinosoar' bit was too cheesy (I still kind of do) I thought it turned out to be a somewhat decent film.
the films after, I was instantly dazzled by the painted backgrounds and almost Disney quality animation (I thought it would be worst, like a saturday morning cartoon) the 3D effects looked a bit too much in some scenes (Littlefoot running along a tree branch for example)
the songs... oh man... some of these songs I absolutely adored! some I felt like skipping, bu the majority of them were heart warming and charming
I loved the snow! The snowball fights were classic! And I nearly cried when Spike left with the other spiketails...
oh.. I could keep going on and on.. needless to say, I am now a full and very happy fan!
I'll be watching 11 tomarrow, should be interesting :DD
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upps, sorry for the doublepost^^
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I knew there was zippo chance of Spike ever permanently leaving the valley in LBT 8. I didn't think the powers that be would ever dare pull off such a shocking stunt. It still made for an interesting scenario, though.
Yes, some of the songs are absolutely wonderful. However, there are some I could do without. "The Lesson" is one of the more disfavored ones here (I personally have nothing much against it, but still...).
LBT 11... hmm, how shall I put this... stresses morals more than the others. You might like it, you might not. I can't say.
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I'll be watching 11 tomarrow, should be interesting
I was really disappointed with LBT 11. <_< They never even leave the valley and the whole story was kinda lame. Littlefoot would never do the things he does in LBT 11. You'll know what I mean when you watch it. :(
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yea, I'd recommend going to 12 first, then 11, it's better to end on a bad note than to abstain from one because of another :p
the only reason I like 11 is because Foxxy Love does the voice of Lizzie :p (Drawn Together reference)
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Littlefoot would never do the things he does in LBT 11.
I kind of disagree with you on this.
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I kind of disagree with you on this.
Okay, but don't talk about that issue in explicit detail until AvestheForumFox sees the movie. I don't wanna scare them away. :p
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yea, I'd recommend going to 12 first, then 11, it's better to end on a bad not than to abstain from one because of another :p
the only reason I like 11 is because Foxxy Love does the voice of Lizzie :p (Drawn Together reference)
I would recommend viewing them in perfect order. There are... significant changes in LBT 11 that would leave you hanging for LBT 12.
And I assume you mean "note," not "not." Hey, if you did it to me, I can do it to you, too, Tails_155. :p
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thanks, I'd've missed that :p (yay double compounding XD)
and tuchÈ, 11 is the only keystone since the first one XD the only movie that has to be watched where it is or it throws the series a bit out of whack...
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and tuchÈ, 11 is the only keystone since the first one XD the only movie that has to be watched where it is or it throws the series a bit out of whack...
My point exactly. :^.^:
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I would not have been a happy camper if I never got to learn the real identity of Doc, if he was actually the Lone Dinosaur or not. At least that's one thing the TV series HAS done. Keeping a secret contained throughout the course of a film is one thing (and quite possibly a good thing, at that), but not spilling the beans at the end of the story or during another story is not good writing in my opinion. Where's the resolution in THAT?
And the obvious parody on The Long Ranger with LBT 6 is another mark against it for me. Of course, if we assume that the Lone Dinosaur is "real" on the LBT world, then we can't really hold that against it, but the parody cannot be ignored.
For the story of LBT 6 it didn't matter at all whether or not Doc really was the lone dinosaur of the legend or just some lone longneck capable of dealing with sharpteeth. Therefore it was not necessary to spill the beans. In case of LBT 7 I might have felt kind of uneasy and confused if they had not spilled the beans about the rainbowfaces, but I am quite sure that I would have preferred a more mysterious end to that Star Trek departure. I guess there are some things we are not SUPPOSED to be certain about.
The whole story ended with the creation of a new legend and who knows how the tale of Littlefoot's grandpa would be continued by future generations. We often see the heroism only in extremely spectacular actions or in people we are not accustomed too while we take a lot for granted from those people we know well.
As for the Lone Ranger, it may be that the obvious similarity doesn't disturb me as much as most of you as the "Lone Ranger" may not be as overused over here as it may be in the US.
As for LBT 11, I still think the whole story was a bit too simple, implausible (the freaking out of the grownups over the tinysaurs), and the sharpteeth were too harmless. Also I was disappointed that, first time she was mentioned since the original movie, no explanation was given on the whereabout of Cera's mother. If it comes to Tinysaurs, I think they could have made a much more interesting story if they had used tiny sharpteeth for example. A sharptooth species too small to pose a real threat to anything alive and above Chomper's dinner (insect) size. In spite of the lack of a real thread the frenzy of the grownups would have been a lot more understandable in such a story (if the grownups were to learn about it at all). The story could have been about Littlefoot and the others accidentally discovering the Tiny Sharpteeth (which might pose a threat to the not grownup dinosaurs) and being held prisoner by them to stop Littlefoot and the others from giving away the presence of the Sharpteeth to their parents. Such a story could have been really interesting. On the one end Littefoot and the others would have to learn that the tiny sharpteeth (while not threatened of being stomped out by big inhabitants of the Valley) pose no real threat. On the other hand the sharpteeth would be at odds about what to do with their unintended prisoners (some might be serious about killing the kids while others would see that in this case their parents would never stop searching for them). Also I expect the sharpteeth would have to device a way to prevent Littlefoot and the others from fleeing (e.g. by keeping them apart from each other so they couldn't escape as a group). The different reactions of Littlefoot, Cera, Ducky, Petrie, and Spike might also be more than a mere repetition of their conduct towards Chomper...
I'm getting of topic. Anyway, I think LBT could and should have been done better.
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That sounds like an interesting fanfiction. Would have been interesting if the movie had gone that route. I would guess if were done early on they may have, but more recent movies seem to not want to get to dark. Though I've not seen any past 10 it seems that way to me, to a degree, from what I've read. Though there's a lot I don't know about 11-13 until I see them.
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Oh dear, it seems that REMkFAN has only uploaded four parts of the 11th movie. looks to be very recent also, so this guy/girl must still be working on it
may be a slow viewing for me
so far though, I think the Tinysoars are kinda cute, and I still think Cera's father is an idiot... (for obvious reasons, though I like that he seems to had found a familiar face and a possible mate)
I like Tria! ^_^
edit: Do ya'll think I should skip to 12 and 13 until the rest of 11 is finished?
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edit: Do ya'll think I should skip to 12 and 13 until the rest of 11 is finished?
It's up to you. If you really want to view them all in the shortest time possible, then you would, of course, skip over to the others (assuming that they've been uploaded to YouTube at all). However, to get the full effect, I would view them all in order. That might necessitate waltzing down the Wal*Mart isles with LBT DVDs in hand (something that has almost became a habit for me :P: ). Unless you're spent on cash (and I'm sure that this may be the case), then you might be better off doing that than hoboing them off of YouTube. :P: I doubt you would be able to find LBT 12 or LBT 13 as streamable videos without having to resort to... uh... that "W" thing....
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Isn't Cera's dad nearly always the idiot, speciest, ect? Though most will disagree with that and also that It seems to me the only way he is a co leader with grandpa longneck is he can bully everyone in the valley except for grandpa longneck.
One of the factors that gave me a few ideas for an rp, though none had interest, so should not mention it.
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Isn't Cera's dad nearly always the idiot, speciest, ect? Though most will disagree with that and also that It seems to me the only way he is a co leader with grandpa longneck is he can bully everyone in the valley except for grandpa longneck.
I don't believe Mr. Threehorn is stupid. What makes you think that?
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While stupid may be the wrong term he certainly shows unreasonable stubbornness and racist reservations. This was most obvious in LBT 3 when, in spite of being warned against fleeing in the direction of the wind, he did just that for no other reason than not complying with Littlefoot's grandpa.
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in spite of being warned against fleeing in the direction of the wind, he did just that for no other reason than not complying with Littlefoot's grandpa.
Yeah, that's the only time I've ever seen him do something I would call "stupid". :p
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What about his racism based conclusion in LBT 5?
"Everyone knows how stupid duckbills are!..."
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What about his racism based conclusion in LBT 5?
"Everyone knows how stupid duckbills are!..."
If I may say so, that's just him being an A**.
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While stupid may be the wrong term he certainly shows unreasonable stubbornness and racist reservations. This was most obvious in LBT 3 when, in spite of being warned against fleeing in the direction of the wind, he did just that for no other reason than not complying with Littlefoot's grandpa.
I believe idiot is actually the word that Kor used, not stupid.
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Is there a difference between "stupid" and "idiot"? I thought they meant the same thing.
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Is there a difference between "stupid" and "idiot"? I thought they meant the same thing.
I don't think they have different meanings. Then again, why do some people call others a "stupid idiot"? Are they really calling them a "stupid stupid" or a "idiot idiot"? I don't know.
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Is Topsy an idiot? I don't know. He does certainly have impaired judgment at times due to his emotions and attitudes, notably, the forementioned fire incident in LBT 3.
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I certainly wouldn't label Cera's dad an idiot or stupid in general. But there are many cases where his stubbornness and racism drive him into actions which are stupid even though we might """excuse""" them with his racism. Gee, I never thought anything in the world could ever be "excused" with racism :blink:
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I certainly wouldn't label Cera's dad an idiot or stupid in general. But there are many cases where his stubbornness and racism drive him into actions which are stupid even though we might """excuse""" them with his racism. Gee, I never thought anything in the world could ever be "excused" with racism :blink:
An excuse to wear tall pointy white hats perhaps
As for the differences between the two words
Idiot is like a class or category, a label for a person with a low IQ
Stupid is very often used to discribe something.. like "Wow, that's so mind bogingly stupid!" or "It cant be any more stupider than that!"
you cant say "It cant be any more idiot'er than that" =P
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you cant say "It cant be any more idiot'er than that" =P
You can't exactly say "stupider" either. That's not a word. :p The correct way to say it is "more stupid". Just like you can't say "funner". You have to say "more fun".
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Meh, Good point =P
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I was aware of idiot as a noun and stupid as an adjective.
Come to think of it there are cases in English were adjectives are used like nouns. There is a case in LBT 3 for example.
Petrie: "How we find water Littlefoot?"
Littlefoot: "We smell for it silly."
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As for the worst animation, I would have to say that #7 was pretty bad. It didn't seem like any effort was put into it. I also don't like the fact that they never remastered LBT 1. It still looks like my old VHS Cassette even though it's a DVD! <_<
Come to think of it there are cases in English were adjectives are used like nouns. There is a case in LBT 3 for example.
Petrie: "How we find water Littlefoot?"
Littlefoot: "We smell for it silly."
That's not exactly proper english. If you want an example of proper english, and LBT movie is not the place to look for it. :lol
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Aye, but it is the type of English one would come across in real life colloquial discourse as well.
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Aye, but it is the type of English one would come across in real life colloquial discourse as well.
True enough I suppose... :)