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Land Before Time Captions / Littlefoot discovered bug be-gone
« on: October 01, 2015, 06:00:08 PM »

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The Fridge / Disney Dissapointment
« on: September 02, 2015, 10:29:28 AM »
Kiara wasn't even planning to run away for good.  She had planned to get Kovu and try and resolve the problem.  She never intended to run away, that was Kovu's idea to have them run away, whcih she turned down.  

Besides, it was Mufas's will that Kiara and Kovu end up toghether to end the conflict.  


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The Fridge / Disney Dissapointment
« on: August 31, 2015, 11:03:58 PM »
Also, Kovu's death would be a setback for continuing the monarchy unless Kiara remarries.  (Unless she is dumped as the heir and this new Kion takes her place.)  In short, it woud undo a part of what movie 2 was all about.

(It would be as pointless as if they were to bring Bron in in Great Longneck Migration yet kill him off at the end of Journey of the Brave, bringing this huge plot change in in 10 for nothing.)

As for Kovu, I'd hardly call him a villain or anything near it in movie 2.  If anything, he's an antihero.  Indeed, even Zira is more sympathetic than Scar.

Let's put it this way, Zira was likely fond of Scar over Mufasa (perhaps she didn't like Mufasa, as it would be niave to assume every lioness in the Pride Lands was a Mufasa fan.)

Anyway, when Simba first returns, reappearing after an absence that is hard to explain (he was supposed to be dead) and why did he run away?   (We the audience know, but nobody else but Scar and the hyenas did.)

Simba actually confesses to having a role in Mufasa's death right in front of everyone, and, when his own mother asks him if it's true, begging him to tell her it's not, he outright says it's true.

Then it looks like Scar is trying to finish him (which he is).  None of the other lions come to Simba's defense, just letting Scar corner the rightful heir on the edge of that edge.  It seems they believed that Simba deserved it.

However, Scar ran off his mouth, letting Simba know the truth.  Then Simba knocks over Scar and makes him admit his guilt, which he does.  Then, the lionesses aid him.  (They weren't too fond of Scar anyway.)

Later, Scar is kicked by Simba, off the cliff, in sef-defense of course, but Scar survives the fall, but is kiled by his own henchmen.  

However, it is unlikely anyone but the hyenas knew that Scar didn't die by Simba's hand.

Thus, whie those who hated Scar would believe Scar's confession over Simba's, those who were unsure or were pro-Scar would think that Simba caused his father's death, ran away, came back and tried to depose Scar, confessed to killing Mufasa, attacked Scar and forced a false confession out of him in his brother's death, and then murdered Scar so that he could take the throne.

And, of course, Simba kicked them out.  So Zira may truly have believed Simba to be guilty of both Mufasa's and Scar's deaths and that he wasn't worthy to be king of Pride Rock.

Also, Scar had picked Kovu was his heir.  If anything, Zira's main flaw is how devoted she is to Scar.  In fact, her last words "This is for you Scar!" confirm it.  

Indeed, she tries to raise the appointed heir, Kovu, and neglects Nunca, and it's clear that Nunca is so upset that he's almost ready to have history repeat itself (i.e. him kill his brother to seize power just like Scar did with Mufasa.)

However, Kovu, despite hearing how bad Simba has been his whole life, actually decides to hear Simba out on the Scar thing, rather than killing Simba when alone.  (Perhaps he DID plan to kill Simba if Simba had admitted true guilt (though, admittedly, that's not a bad trait), prompting Zira to act herself.

Nuncas ends up dying, and, ironically, his death turns her against Kovu and pro-Nunca, giving him more attention in death than she had his entire life.  

She attacks Kovu, giving him a scar, and blames him for Nunca's death.  Indeed, she practically disowns him.

Kovu actually goes back to Simba, even though he's got to know that Simba could well have him executed on the spot for, as it would appear to Simba, attempted murder of the king of Pride Rock.  

After he leaves and Kiara comes to him, I think he believes that neither Simba nor Zira are going to back down and so the best bet for them is to run off and form a priide of their own.   It's a wrong assessment, but Kovu isn't perfect.

Anyway, we can see how fanatical Zira is when she threatens to kill Vitani merely for not fighting, cuasing her whole group to turn on her.

Kovu was pretty good to get past Zira's brainwashing.  Not everyone could do that.  So don't call him a poor leader.



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Land Before Time Captions / Drunk Petrie and Ducky doing line walk test
« on: August 31, 2015, 01:35:13 PM »

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Land Before Time Captions / Chomper solved the food problem
« on: August 31, 2015, 01:13:15 PM »

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The Fridge / Disney Dissapointment
« on: August 31, 2015, 01:05:03 PM »
I think loads of the rumors are false.  The Kovu fans would be very ticked to have them spend all that time on him yet to kill him off in a TV Serires.  (Though it may be that Kiara only THINKS he's dead (just like the Pride Lands thought Simba was dead for years.)

Also, there is another problem with Kiara being Queen.  Last I checked, the leader of the Pride Lands was Simba.

Does Simba step down or is he dead too?  If he has a second cub, that seems unlikely that he's dead.  But why then give control of the monarcy to his daughter?

(It is possible that Kovu apepars dead, Simba doesn't think so, goes looking for Kovu, and leaves Kiara as the temporary Queen of the Pride Lands.)


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Land Before Time Captions / Ducky really has to pee
« on: August 28, 2015, 05:58:24 PM »

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Land Before Time Captions / Topsy's Not Feeling Good
« on: August 27, 2015, 12:10:49 AM »
Tria: What's a matter Topsy?

Topps:  I found out we cannot deport that new Sharptooth.

Tria: You mean Chomper.

Topps: Yeah, he claimed anchor baby status since he hatched in the Great Valley and now he's officially a Great Valley resident.  

Tria:  Well, Chomper is a nice Sharptooth.

Topps: That would be a first Tria!  I blame the Longnecks!

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General Land Before Time / Are Shawmen Dinosaurs a good idea?
« on: August 21, 2015, 04:37:49 PM »
You know, the type that serve some weird deity or spirtula force and have funny rituals.

Perhaps some could try and sacrifice the Gang to volcanoies to please some deity.  The fun of this is that they could be a bizarre form of Leaf Eater, Fast Runner, Hidden Runner, or Egg Stealer and need not be Sharpteeth, but still could be interesting bad guys.

Or they could at least be an amusing distraction to the plot.


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Character Discussion / Dil and Ichy: Former Friendly Sharpteeth?
« on: August 21, 2015, 04:27:15 PM »
I've been wondering that, and LAT appears to agree with me, owing to how he's apparently brought it up here before.

I mean, do you think that the fact that Ichy can talk in Leaf Eater and also referred to Littlefoot & Co as "animsals" was just pure coincidence, or coudl there be somethng darker in his past?

I mean, what if Ichy did somehow get raised by Flyers for years, eventually they tried to harm him and he killed in self-defense?  Before that, he'd have eaten fish and stuff.  

After the incident, he got a liking of Flattooth meat, but was getting PTSD from hunting Leaf EAters due to being able to understand them, has to dehumanize them by calling them "animals" to cope with it.

Perhaps something similar happened to Dil (or pheraps she just came to rely on Ichy due to her vision problems, though her Sharptooth pack may have abadoned her, and Ichy needed her due to his size problems and she learned Leaf Eater from him.)

At any rate, not only do we have a possible past scenario for Ichy, and perhaps Dil (seems more likely for Ichy to live with Flyers for years than for Dil to live with Leaf Eaters), but we might have a possible future for Chomper by looking at the two characters Dil and Ichy.

Chomper is going to suck at hunting if he puts if off for years and then something goes wrongly wrong or he caves one day and has to leave the Great Valley and his friends for good.

He probably won't bond with other Sharpteeth, and so may have to work with other outcast Sharpteeth to survive.  

Heck, it's possible that he might even team up with those two.  They'd have a lot more in common and his size would impress the other two.  And they could help him get Leaf Eaters.  

Also, considering that Chomper might get PTSD from going rogue, if he goes rogue, maybe they could help him cope with that too.   He seems too sensitive to be able to handle it on his own.

And maybe he could get Dil and Ichy to actually BE freinds instead of partners and so they'd be more efficient.  

Chomper might live in the Land of Mists, so he could be somewhat near the Great Valley, even if he might never be able to go back again.




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Land Before Time Captions / Stunned Ruby
« on: August 15, 2015, 10:44:14 AM »


Ruby learned that she would be in Journey of the Brave.

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Land Before Time Captions / Prehistoric Rock Candy Tastes Awful
« on: August 15, 2015, 10:43:26 AM »

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Land Before Time Captions / Ruby and Chomper
« on: August 15, 2015, 10:40:44 AM »

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Land Before Time Captions / Mammals
« on: August 15, 2015, 10:39:40 AM »

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Land Before Time Captions / Bad Sharptooth
« on: August 15, 2015, 10:38:28 AM »

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Land Before Time Captions / Ducky Nya
« on: August 15, 2015, 10:37:37 AM »

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Land Before Time Captions / Ruby D'oh
« on: August 15, 2015, 10:36:47 AM »

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Land Before Time Captions / Land Before Time Game Caption
« on: August 15, 2015, 10:34:51 AM »

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Land Before Time Captions / Chomper's first kill
« on: August 15, 2015, 10:33:54 AM »

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Land Before Time Captions / Chomper's New Diet
« on: August 15, 2015, 10:32:44 AM »


Chomper had trouble adjusting to living among Leaf Eaters...

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