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Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: Mumbling on March 30, 2008, 03:38:29 PM
Ok well Patrick(Nimrod) once asked me wether I like singing LBT songs. I told him I did like to sing, and told him I always sung while cycling home from school. He asked me if I could sing for him, once. This was months ago, and I just came over my 'fear' for singing to others.

For him I recorded myself singing one of the LBT songs. I sent it to him and also to some friends of mine who had seen my msn name ( which said I was singing ) . I expected very negative reactions, but I got the opposite of what I thought I would hear. I still think my voice it bad, but here is a list.

Renewed(other songs will come later on)

No one has to be alone (http://www.driveway.com/n6p6p2g8x7)
Things Change..  (http://www.driveway.com/c8e6u4r3l7)
Things change, again. (http://www.driveway.com/x1s7r0g4w9)
Things change, once again. last time :p (http://www.driveway.com/v4m2x7z1u0)
Bestest Friends (http://www.driveway.com/y4r1h5o3u6)
Family (http://www.driveway.com/i4i1n1w6r9)
Girls and Dads (http://www.driveway.com/r0y2j1d3h6)
How do you know (http://www.adrive.com/public/c5747e1c512e3cf273dab0b2582f5288c9f984bb8e83e800fd2023b6d653b421.html)
Kids Like Us (http://www.adrive.com/public/e598aecdd6bed0195a5b1f514b791c8c59fbb0f12b4d795d508ff3fd119cdedd.html)
Kinderen net als wij(dutch for kids like us) (http://www.adrive.com/public/8f268489e3d3f20b84ff2349ee13876af1ec70bf9d153f85328ab4134c20cc36.html)
Say So (http://www.adrive.com/public/01234d4067fa3f669a632e193620a472d698f88e0905879845586efbe97d8d86.html)
The Lone Dinosaur (http://www.adrive.com/public/3b079d1bfb15dc4a4cafedd10969b38031cfec01fc12a30101d02ddae84eca2d.html)
The mad song*I went crazy in this one xD don't let me scare ya :p * (http://www.adrive.com/public/79a69b839995e1d26419f69a7431e42d69cc483d776bda5d01938081b6fd2615.html)
Vriendjes voor altijd, I had this before but was deleted (http://www.adrive.com/public/88cac4e4ae4978b6db375f85ee38824b82b0906830da07aabebf6b448618c69e.html)
When you're big(Dutch) (http://www.adrive.com/public/09d73f2d8d52a0279ee1c6a0f943753e571729a6eb08ce41447f5b5a71b31185.html)
Beste Freunde(German for bestest friends) (http://www.adrive.com/public/a68409eabb294e47b9af364cc9bb320ec16e4c77786e260d4e1561b0263303ca.html)
Beyond the mysterious beyond (http://adrive.com/public/4065039847ca93375ca11b97a0d8d14900c611177521cb8b57966cb5a9531662.html)
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: landbeforetimelover on March 30, 2008, 03:46:05 PM
Nice songs.  It would be nice however if you used some other service besides 4shared.  They'll delete your files in a month if you don't log in and you have to wait to download the files.  Driveway.com is the best file hosting site by far.

You would make a great addition to the LBT songs that we sing together (unless you have already participated in "things change"). :yes
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: Mumbling on March 30, 2008, 03:47:15 PM
Hmm thanks I'll maybe start using that. Let me check it out tomorrow :)
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: action9000 on March 30, 2008, 03:47:40 PM
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By the way we seriously lack a blushing emoticon =P.
I agree, we should probably do something about that. :yes

Some very nice singing! :) You did a beautiful job.

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It would be nice however if you used some other service besides 4shared.
I like 4shared when sharing a large collection of files, but for a single file,
http://www.driveway.com (http://www.driveway.com) is very nice.
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: Malte279 on March 30, 2008, 03:49:43 PM
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By the way we seriously lack a blushing emoticon =P
While I generally agree it may for once be a good thing that there is no blushing emoticon right now. Judging from our previous chats about your songs you might use those blushes in excess ;)
I'm not flattering you Iris, but your singing voice is just beautiful :yes
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: Mumbling on March 30, 2008, 03:51:30 PM
Quote from: Malte279,Mar 30 2008 on  08:49 PM
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By the way we seriously lack a blushing emoticon =P
While I generally agree it may for once be a good thing that there is no blushing emoticon right now. Judging from our previous chats about your songs you might use those blushes in excess ;)
 
Heh, maybe that is true xD... Ok I wanted to use it again.. Hmm. I am just ashamed of my voice.. well nevermind. I am going to bed now.. see you guys. :rolleyes:
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: Clawandfang on March 30, 2008, 03:52:51 PM
You already know my thoughts on your singing Mumbling. Keep it up!
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: Mumbling on March 31, 2008, 09:30:18 AM
Action9000 and landbeforetimelover I've listened to you and uploaded them to driveway instead.

I've also sung a new one, which came out quite well I think.. ( Yes, finaly something positive what I can say about my voice. ) except for the point that I was singing too low. If we hold on together > by msn

Thanks for all the compliments *blusing emoticon ^^*, Nah seriously I can agree with you now, if I dont know it's me singing.. :lol  I think I've just got a very negative view on myself. sorry :unsure:
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: kjeldo on March 31, 2008, 02:23:37 PM
wow! mumbling it is so good that i'm get scared!
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: Lillefot on March 31, 2008, 04:20:51 PM
That's a really nice voice! Well done!
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: Mumbling on April 04, 2008, 03:12:11 AM
Things Change is there :P:

Hmm, I will put the other songs in the list some other time.... and sing some over again B) . Thanks to Action9000 I've now got the songs without vocals. thanks again :lol
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: Littlefoot on April 04, 2008, 03:35:49 AM
Nice and beautiful voice, no doubt about that. That was very nice job. Very adrable. Awesome :)
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: Malte279 on April 04, 2008, 04:42:46 AM
There is but one point of criticism I have to make. Namely the title of that file: "Things change - Iris. badly sung.mp3".
I mean... come on! That is a misleading title Iris and with all your modesty I think that you know it Iris. You have a bright and clear voice and can hold the high notes which make guys like us rattle. Modesty is a good thing, but talking oneself into believing that one is worse than one really is is not a good thing.
Discrediting your own work might be misunderstood as "fishing for compliments" (something I'm certain is not your intention) unless you can pinpoint what exactly it is that you dislike about your performance. If you cannot pinpoint it is there maybe a chance that it is not so badly sung as you claim it to be but that in fact it is really good? :)
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: Kor on April 04, 2008, 06:01:24 AM
I listened to the singing and enjoyed what I heard.  It also seemed you did catch the emotion that was supposed to be portrayed in that scene.
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: Mumbling on April 04, 2008, 02:02:10 PM
Quote from: Malte279,Apr 4 2008 on  10:42 AM
There is but one point of criticism I have to make. Namely the title of that file: "Things change - Iris. badly sung.mp3".
I mean... come on! That is a misleading title Iris and with all your modesty I think that you know it Iris. You have a bright and clear voice and can hold the high notes which make guys like us rattle. Modesty is a good thing, but talking oneself into believing that one is worse than one really is is not a good thing.
Discrediting your own work might be misunderstood as "fishing for compliments" (something I'm certain is not your intention) unless you can pinpoint what exactly it is that you dislike about your performance. If you cannot pinpoint it is there maybe a chance that it is not so badly sung as you claim it to be but that in fact it is really good? :)
Malte, I save those files at my computer. This is just the name I give them myself  :P: ... What I mean is I can do better, because I was just awake at that time, but it the only time here when it is silent(at my house, noisy brothers, parents animals etc). To be honest I actually think this once was sung pretty good. (wow me saying that :o)

And no it is not my intention, really. When I was a kid they liked telling me i shouldnt sing. When I was happy I always sang a song. and well everytime  they told me I shouldnt, because it was 'terrible'. I think these guys destroyed my mood and created this black view of myself. I'm not going to say anything more about that.

Now you and some others have made me clear I CAN sing, so although I was thinking about quitting I now have decided to go on.

All the others, thanks. Your compliments sometimes make me blush ^^.
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: Kor on April 04, 2008, 02:19:27 PM
If you wish, and like, to sing I think you should continue.
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: Clawandfang on April 04, 2008, 02:32:11 PM
Your voice probably improved as you grew, so that could explain why no one appreciated your singing in the past... heh.  I agree with Kor here (who wouldn't?).
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: Mumbling on April 04, 2008, 02:33:51 PM
It has changed, yes it did for sure. But my parents told me that they always knew I was quite a good singer. (never told me before i said this: 'MAMA mensen vinden mijn stem mooi!' which actually means: mum people like my voice...) I will keep on singing more LBT songs then.. :)
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: Kor on April 04, 2008, 03:33:08 PM
That is good to hear.  Maybe other songs you like too.
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: Mumbling on April 04, 2008, 03:35:00 PM



File Name : Things change. again.mp3  
Download link : http://www.driveway.com/v4m2x7z1u0 (http://www.driveway.com/v4m2x7z1u0)  


File Name : Things change, a bit better.mp3  
Download link : http://www.driveway.com/x1s7r0g4w9 (http://www.driveway.com/x1s7r0g4w9)  





haha there you go 2.. Will be singing again in some time :) for now my voice is taking a rest.
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: Mumbling on April 07, 2008, 03:30:48 PM
Ok another one.. ehmm it is dutch.. and at some places i didnt reach the best notes i could. but as this was the only silent time I had to sing it :p. Maybe I'll resing this one.

(driveway isnt working)
Vriendjes voor altijd (bestest friends) (http://www.4shared.com/file/43353772/1c99254c/Vriendjes_voor_altijd_-_iris.html)
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: Nimrod on April 07, 2008, 03:55:36 PM
aw, very nice and sweet Mumbling. I love your voice. Great singing. :)
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: Kor on April 07, 2008, 08:14:52 PM
I just listened to the file, and you sing very well.  I really enjoyed listening to you singing.  Even though I didn't understand the language.
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: Malte279 on April 08, 2008, 01:40:46 AM
At the risk of repeating others just as myself, you have a really beautiful voice and know how to use it :yes
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: Mumbling on April 08, 2008, 09:15:41 AM
Bestest friends (http://www.driveway.com/y4r1h5o3u6)
heh english version now, and Driveway worked again. Have fun listening.

(because the silence is gone again)
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: Mumbling on April 08, 2008, 01:04:18 PM
No one has to be alone (http://www.driveway.com/n6p6p2g8x7)

 :)
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: Clawandfang on April 08, 2008, 01:25:08 PM
Your voice is great, but the one thing niggling me is the amount of Windows sounds which seem to creep into a lot of the things you do.

Other than that, truly excellent.
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: Mumbling on April 09, 2008, 10:23:05 AM
Quote from: Clawandfang,Apr 8 2008 on  07:25 PM
Your voice is great, but the one thing niggling me is the amount of Windows sounds which seem to creep into a lot of the things you do.

Other than that, truly excellent.
xD I know. My computer is reaaaaaaaallly weird sometimes. But if I have sung a song there is hardly an oppertunity to resing it. Because there is a lot of noice here, parents little brothers pets etc. But ok I still think it is the computers.. It makes a lot of sounds even when I am not doing anything. I am used to it though.

Haha this is sort of funny. Sometimes you guys asked what I ment with noise on the background. Well now I have recorded my singing without telling my familymembers I was going to sing.. Welcome in my world..:

when you're on your own, with noice:D (http://www.driveway.com/i1z5k8d3g2)
By the way I am probably going to remix this song when I am going to start a project, I really like it.
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: Mumbling on April 09, 2008, 11:32:13 AM
by the way there is no music on the background.. at least, not of the song.
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: Kor on April 09, 2008, 01:42:34 PM
I enjoyed it.  It was interesting for folks who wonder more of what your background sounds like most of the time.
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: action9000 on April 09, 2008, 11:21:26 PM
I listened to your "When You're On Your Own" and once again, you amazed me!  You even managed to nail that high note ("It's", waaaay up in the stratosphere somewhere) at the end of the song. B)  :wow

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By the way I am probably going to remix this song when I am going to start a project, I really like it.
That sounds pretty cool!  What will you be using to remix it?  What to you plan on doing? :)  Do you mean to remake it like I've been doing or do you have something else in mind?
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: Mumbling on April 10, 2008, 01:19:52 AM
Quote from: action9000,Apr 10 2008 on  05:21 AM
I listened to your "When You're On Your Own" and once again, you amazed me!  You even managed to nail that high note ("It's", waaaay up in the stratosphere somewhere) at the end of the song. B)  :wow

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By the way I am probably going to remix this song when I am going to start a project, I really like it.
That sounds pretty cool!  What will you be using to remix it?  What to you plan on doing? :)  Do you mean to remake it like I've been doing or do you have something else in mind?
I don't know yet Action :p . It just came into my mind... I'm just going to live my life and see what it is going to bring me :)
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: action9000 on April 10, 2008, 01:21:12 AM
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I don't know yet Action  . It just came into my mind... I'm just going to live my life and see what it is going to bring me 
Sounds like a plan. :)
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: Mumbling on April 10, 2008, 01:23:13 AM
Action, can you tell me more about Sonar? I do not have the money to buy it of course, but I'd like to know something more about the program.
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: action9000 on April 10, 2008, 02:26:19 AM
Sure!  "Cakewalk Sonar" is too powerful and complex to explain in one post but I'm happy to try and sum it up.  I haven't used it *a lot* (I prefer FL Studio's workflow) but I'll explain what I can.

First thing first, here's the official website.
http://cakewalk.com/SONAR/English/default.asp (http://cakewalk.com/SONAR/English/default.asp)

Sonar is a fully-capable Digital Audio Workstation (DAW).  That means that, on its own, can be used all the way from the first phase of a music project all the way up to mixing and mastering the final release that can be distributed (commercially or otherwise).  It's a very high-end tool, used and respected by audio pros around the world.

Sonar is what's known as a "host program" or "host application".  There is a Huge variety of other audio software which can "plug into" a host application in order to expans its functionality.  Sonar includes a wide range of plugins when you purchase it, including audio effects such as convolution reverb (AMAZING technology by the way!  It uses a recorded impulse from a real-world location in order to simulate that same location with any audio that you run through the plugin.  It's a bit CPU-intensive but the results are outstanding), single and multiband compression (control the dynamic range of various frequencies of an audio file), vocal tuners andvirtual instruments, among tens of others I'll get a little more into later on.

Here's a screenshot of what Sonar can look like, fully-loaded:
http://cakewalk.com/Products/SONAR/English/New/Collage.htm (http://cakewalk.com/Products/SONAR/English/New/Collage.htm)
Needless to say, Sonar benefits greatly from having two (or more!) monitors to help fit everything on the screen. B)

Sonar is capable of working with both live instruments and virtual instruments, via MIDI data.  Don't let the term MIDI scare you into thinking it automatically will sound like crap.  MIDI (Musical Instrument Digital Interface) is simply a protocol (language, if you will) used by various audio hardware and software to communicate.  MIDI can be transmitted from a hardware or software instrument (say, a keyboard) to tell a synthesizer or sampler (a sampler is basically a program which contains a library of .wav or other audio files which are played back when instructed to by a MIDI command) what to do (note G4 on at MIDI channel 1, for example).  Without getting too much more into MIDI and virtual instruments, let's get back to Sonar. :p

Sonar can be used to record and manipulate audio data in ways you may have never imagined.  If you have a sound card (audio interface is another term for 'sound card') with multiple inputs for example, you can record multiple instruments/vocalists simultaneously and send each performer's recordings to seperate "tracks".  The audio on each track can be modified, compressed, equalized, stretched, tuned and otherwise played with as much as necessary within Sonar, using a variety of plugins and tools included with Sonar.  The benefit of recording every performer/performance to a seperate track is that they can be manipulated individually.  If one person is out of tune, for example, you can modify just that single recording without messing up any of the others.  Sonar gives you the option for hundreds or even thousands of tracks running simultaneously...basically, if your computer can handle it, Sonar can do it.
A feature I loved in Sonar when mixing the vocals for "Things Change" in our last LBT project: Envelopes!
You can think of an envelope as an effect, basically.  The path the data takes through Sonar is simply this:
Recorded sound -> Effects -> Output to speakers
An Envelope is simply a layer that is placed on top of the recorded sound in order to manipulate it in real-time before you hear it through the speakers.  It's different from say, a reverb plugin because an envelope can change its value hundreds or even thousands of times per second.  A perfect example of an envelope that I used a LOT in our projects is Volume.  In Sonar, you can simply draw a curve on top of the recorded audio you see on the scree.  This curve is literally how the volume of that audio clip behaves.  If I want to fade one voice out and another voice in, I simply draw a line down to Minimum during the time in the audio I want to fade the first voice out and draw a line to the desired volume level on the track I want to fade in.  Of course, you have full control of the rate at which volumes change.  Besides volume, envelopes can be used to control basically any trait of a sound clip that you can think of, including panning (placement of the sound within the stereo image of the left/right speakers, and surround speakers in the case of a surround sound mix), filtering (you can have a low-pass filter's cutoff point change over time, for example), among countless other attributed.  Envelopes also exist in FL Studio and they are equally functional.  FL does lack the precision audio editting that Sonar has, though.  In general, envelopes and similar editting is easier in Sonar than in FL Studio.

Even if you're not doing Any (or very little) live recording, Sonar is very powerful.  If you want my honest opinion though, Sonar is better for live recordings than working with MIDI data.  If you intend to work primarily with MIDI and virtual instruments, I would recommend FL Studio (http://www.flstudio.com) over Sonar simply because of the work environment.  I should also mention that, like Sonar, FL Studio is a fully-capable DAW for producing and mastering music.
Anywho...
Sonar gives you a decent number of virtual instruments.  Virtual instruments, by the way, are just what you'd expect them to be: They are plugins running within Sonar that generate sound.  You can set up a MIDI track in Sonar, point it to a virtual instrument and when the MIDI track sends a message, the virtual instrument plays the sound.  THis sound can then be adapted and modified using any other plugin available to Sonar.  Virtual instruments and other plugins may be purchased from both Cakewalk and 3rd party vendors.
Sounds Online / EastWest (http://www.soundsonline.com) offers some absolutely fantastic orchestral virtual instruments.  I recently picked up the Platinum edition of Symphonic Orchestra (http://www.soundsonline.com/Orchestra-Platinum-Bundle-pr-EW-155PROB1.html).  It really does give you control and sound quality that you'd never expect to have working with a virtual orchestra.  The demos on this site speak for themselves.

Sonar offers a number of ways to compose ("Sequence") your MIDI data.  You can think of MIDI data as sheet music or an old-time "Piano roll" with the holes cut in a roll of paper for an automatic-playing piano to read and press down the keys as the paper roll moves through.  Sonar offers both of these options as environments to write your MIDI music in.  

*That being said though*, many virtual instruments DO NOT function well when MIDI data is written entirely in the sheet music view.  The reason for this is rather complex to explain to somebody who may not have much exposure to working with virtual instruments.  The reason is this:
All virtual instruments rely on existing data, whether it be a mathematical formula which generates a sound wave (in the case of a synthesizer) or a library of pre-recorded .wav files (called "samples) which are played through a user-friendly exterior (in the case of a sampler).  The problem is, this data is produced, in most cases, to be relatively "generic", to be suitable for a wide range of musical situations.  The downside to this is that the producer/composer needs to get a bit creative with the sequencing (composing) of the MIDI data in order to make it sound good.  Sheet music has extremely strict timing.  The first beat of the 3rd measure, for example, in sheet music will Always start Exactly on Beat 1 of the measure.  The problem is, what if you're trying to compose a smooth, connected melodic line?  What if your samples have a long attack time?  The long attack sounds nice and expressive on the first note in the melodic phrase but beyond that note, it just sounds very fake and "synthetic".  Why?  The attack on the sample isn't natural.  The .wav file starts playing right on the beginning of Beat 1 of the 3rd measure but the .wav file has, say, 100 milliseconds of buildup/attack on the note.  As a result....so much for that smooth connected melodic phrase!

That's where the "piano roll view" comes in handy!  In the piano roll view, notes appear as horizontal bars, with the playback marker scrolling from left-to-right.  The higher the bar is vertically, the higher the pitch of the note.  In the previous example, one could easily smooth out the melodic passage by simply moving the later notes to the left (earlier) a little bit to compensate for the attack time.  The end of the previous note would blend with the start of the current note, resulting in a nice, smooth musical phrase.   B)

The downside is that Sonar has a rather poor, awkward piano roll view, especially when compared to FL Studio's.  FL Studio has NO sheet music view at all.  Its MIDI functions rely entirely on the piano roll view.

Here is a screenshot of Sonar's Piano Roll view:
http://www.cakewalk.com/Support/images/kb2005275_1.jpg (http://www.cakewalk.com/Support/images/kb2005275_1.jpg)

By comparison, here's FL Studio's Piano Roll:
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/Aug02/imag...loopsjw04.l.gif (http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/Aug02/images/fruityloopsjw04.l.gif)

I know they don't look a great deal different from the screenshots (except the colour scheme).  It would take me another essay to explain just why FL's piano roll is so much more user-friendly.  The short answer is, the tools are much more easily-accessable, moving notes around is more streamlined, it's easier on the eyes, everything you need is right there, and the mouse clicks/hotkeys make a lot more sense than in Sonar.  By the way, FL Studio's piano roll can get very classy and professional-looking by changing a few options which are disabled by whoever took this screenshot. :p I'll post up a screenshot of my FL Studio and you'll see what I mean.
Here's a piano roll screenshot of my remix of If We Hold On Together.
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h141/action9000/fl2.jpg (http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h141/action9000/fl2.jpg)
You can see the volume envelope in that salmon-coloured area at the bottom of the screen. I drew that in with the mouse and the volume of the selected instrument follows that curvature. :)

Sonar has a very pretty sheet music view:
http://pianologist.com/wp-content/uploads/...piano-score.jpg (http://pianologist.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/music-arrangement-melody-score-with-piano-score.jpg)

Too bad it's not very useful when doing any real MIDI work (as explained above). :p

In short:
Sonar is most ideal for the producer that uses MIDI a little bit as a secondary function ad focuses primarily on recorded audio.  Perhaps Sonar is more appealing if you aren't as addicted to FL Studio as I am (I absolutely love FL Studios' workflow and environment). :p  On the flipside though, I belong to a forum where many of the people do primarily MIDI work and some of them swear by Sonar just as I swear by FL Studio.  Is Sonar bad for MIDI?  No, I don't think so.  I personally find FL Studio more streamlined but that may just be because of how I like to work.

Sonar is an amazing all-in-one package, even without picking up any additional plugins or virtual instruments.  It includes a nice assortment of both to get you started.  Unlike FL Studio, Sonar is also fully-capable of producing surround-sound mixes of your music.

Bottom line: Sonar is a monster of a program that takes  a lot of learning and getting used to but it's absolutely incredible if you can learn it.  The MIDI part especially takes getting used to.  I'm not a fan of its MIDI features but that doesn't mean it's bad.  I know people who love it. :p  I really like Sonar for its audio manipulation features, which makes it ideal for mixing vocals to music.  If you're writing MIDI music in Sonar though, get ready for a few headaches...at least in my experience.

FL Studio is a much lighter-weight package (that doesn't demand 2 monitors unless you really want to use 2 monitors :p.  I actually use 2 monitors with FL Studio and it's great. It's not necessary though - I used one forever.) which, unless you NEED the benefits that Sonar offers, probably makes more sense to a hobbiest or even a professional.  FL Studio is fully-capable of recording and manipulating audio, just as Sonar is.  The workflow for audio recordings isn't as nice as Sonar but it gets the job done if needed.  I've produced mixed a half a dozen of our LBT songs entirely in FL Studio and the results were every bit as good as when I used Sonar.  I also want to note that All of the background music I did for our LBT songs here was produced entirely in FL Studio (using 3rd-party virtual instruments from EastWest to generate the sounds), not Sonar.

Unfortunately, while FL Studio is capable with handing and manipulating audio recordings/vocals, it's not as easy to do the "finishing touches" in FL Studio as it is in Sonar.

Another difference:
FL Studio 8: Producer Edition (which I use): $200
Sonar 7: Producer Edition (I've played with Sonar 6): $620
Definitely another point to consider. :lol

In a perfect world, I'd say "get both" but they are expensive and they take time to learn...in the case of Sonar, a lot of time. :lol

There is a fully-functional demo (you can even save mp3s and .wav files.  You just can't save *project* files) of FL Studio on their website:
http://www.flstudio.com (http://www.flstudio.com)

A screenshot of FL Studio running on my computer.  This is an older screenshot from a couple of versions ago but it's still pretty similar.
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h141/act...oldOnGoldXP.png (http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h141/action9000/FLIfWeHoldOnGoldXP.png)
(wow, this is old...back when my computer only had 1 processor core (which FL kept maxing out!) :p)

A time-limited trial of Sonar is available here:
http://www.cakewalk.com/Support/kb/kb20061101.asp (http://www.cakewalk.com/Support/kb/kb20061101.asp)


As for the system requirements of these programs; they're not high, at least not just running Sonar or FL Studio as they come in the box.  What really requires the big, beefy computers are the virtual instruments and effect plugins.  50+ instruments at 20MB+ each, with volume envelopes on each instrument updating 512 times per quarter note each, maybe a convolution reverb on the master-out....yeah, that's where you need the computer power!  Do you have a quad-core processor and 4GB of RAM yet? :lol:
Speaking of which, did I mention that while Sonar supports multicore processors, FL Studio does Not, as of yet?  my dual-core only gets to 50% usage in FL Studio before Fl says "No more!"

Oh, and fair warning: 50 instrument tracks isn't unheard of! :p  I was trying to set up an orchestral template to roughly cover most of the bases I'd need for most music projects...I ended up loading over 120 instruments before I finally ran out of RAM. :lol   ...Did I mention I have 8GB of RAM in my computer? :lol:
I still wasn't done setting up my template...from that point, I decided templates were a bad idea.  :P:


Whew...okay, I'll shut up now! :p
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: Mumbling on April 10, 2008, 08:16:13 AM
Haha, that was interresting to read.. :p Well you sure know what you are talking about... But guess what, I like illegal software, sort of. I might download Sonar or maybe FL Studios. Then I might take my time to learn the basics of those programms, and then I might well try it out for real...? It sure does look very complicated to me for now, but I am a quick learner..

Thanks for giving me all the information, sometimes you sounded like a commercial.. xD I think I am going to like this stuff, music editing etc. I was familair to musical things on the computer before, but that wasn't really thesame... I am going to see if I can download them somewhere( full versions ) and while I am downloading them I'm going to watch some tutorials on youtube(isn't it nice..)

Thanks again for all this information hah.

By the way probably I am going to mix my voice, my brother's voice and my mums voice with the song 'when you're on your own'. Going to look if I can do that. We will use different microphones as well to see if there are any problems on the quality part. I'm glad my family works with me.

Hmm, I'll keep on letting you know how far I am... :D
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: orchid141 on April 10, 2008, 08:26:32 AM
WOW WOW WOW

iris thats really beatiful =O
you sing with so much emotion, it kinda makes me cry..
well i love it. its very nice.
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: Mumbling on April 10, 2008, 08:30:31 AM
You hear me every day and you still like it.. weird girl.. :p

Family (http://www.driveway.com/i4i1n1w6r9)

A new one,, yes I was home alone  B)
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: orchid141 on April 10, 2008, 08:33:39 AM
BUHU  :nyah are you challenging moi? :lol

its not my fault that you sing so beautifully :rolleyes:
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: Mumbling on April 10, 2008, 08:35:24 AM
Probably you are right on that. Ok ok you won. But you'd better watch The land before time ( original) RIGHT NOW or otherwise I am coming to get it back personally xD. Kidding, but I do want you to watch it soon because then you know why I like it so much.. :)
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: orchid141 on April 10, 2008, 08:37:21 AM
wow thats the first time that ive won a discussion xD
yeahhhh i will watch it soon but im watching teletubbies with my
one year old brother at the moment! xD
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: Kor on April 10, 2008, 01:56:03 PM
You do sing very well.
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: Mumbling on May 15, 2008, 09:57:07 AM
Girls and Dads (http://www.driveway.com/r0y2j1d3h6)

Heh, finally an update. I had some problems with family, they wouldn't be silent.. I couldn't sing for a while. Because of that my voice became less too.. But I have tried to sing this one.. heh

I couldn't reacht the high note at the end.. *snif* :lol
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: Kor on May 15, 2008, 10:42:22 PM
I"m sure you will be able to next time, and I enjoyed your singing.  I put the song on my mp3 player with the other lbt songs I have on there.
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: Mumbling on May 16, 2008, 01:36:20 AM
heh, that's really cool.. I have got 1 lbt song on my ipod which is sung by a gof member.. but that's really it..
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: Kor on May 16, 2008, 05:43:36 AM
It's fun to do that and listen to them.
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: Mumbling on June 06, 2008, 12:56:47 PM
Bored.. So.. I sang, upstairs.. on my own room..

Can you hear any difference in quality?

http://adrive.com/public/840e798cca2ea7a6f...c107fe5243.html (http://adrive.com/public/840e798cca2ea7a6f570d6e45e907464d4011b8e1be2c9f04c4b00c107fe5243.html) <<< Bestest friends in german, no idea if I sang it right or not.

http://adrive.com/public/4065039847ca93375...b5a9531662.html (http://adrive.com/public/4065039847ca93375ca11b97a0d8d14900c611177521cb8b57966cb5a9531662.html) <<< Beyond the mysterious beyond...

 :)
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: Kor on June 06, 2008, 02:11:46 PM
Thanks, I'll listen to them later todaym & add them to my collection of LBT mp3 songs.
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: Mumbling on June 06, 2008, 04:11:28 PM
^^ okay kor.
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: kjeldo on June 07, 2008, 08:21:39 AM
B)  B)  B)
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: Malte279 on June 07, 2008, 02:47:46 PM
You sang the German version of Bestest Friends quite alright and very understandable Iris :yes
In could tell from some of the "ch" sounds that you are not a native speaker, but that doesn't harm the charm of your singing at all.
A beautiful performance! You might want to play it to your German teacher :yes
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: Mumbling on June 07, 2008, 03:24:58 PM
My german teacher is a... won't say the word but anyway if I would sing it in front of him he would at first say I have to shut up, secondly he'll give me a lower mark because I actually spoke german in a correct way. He cannot handle the fact that I speak german to some people while I'm not doing a single thing in class.. it's driving him crazy, my laziness.
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: Kor on June 07, 2008, 03:28:51 PM
Sounds like a bad teacher.
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: Mumbling on June 07, 2008, 03:31:41 PM
German is my only insufficient!

the system here is you get a mark 1-10 10 is highest 1 is lowest.. and everything below 5.5 is insufficient. my german mark at this moment is.... 5.4 yea.. You got me.. im 0.1 below the sufficient `¨¨'
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: Mumbling on June 10, 2008, 06:03:51 AM
Okay I just noticed that I have NEVER heard kids like us in english :| So.. I'm going to search for the song and going to sing it when I'm home ( school now.. boring lesson)
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: Kor on June 10, 2008, 10:22:37 AM
Good luck.  The song should not be to hard to find.
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: Mumbling on June 13, 2008, 09:48:33 AM
Tried to record 'Kids Like Us'  but my brother came rushing in, so I stopped the recording with a '****' heh.. So I'd better not upload that one.. :p I will record it later in my room.

Soon Daniel will give me a mic, the one he always used. It's one of great quality, but he isnt using it anymore. So.. Better quality is coming up.

Off topic:
I got an 8.5 for german.. That's good because now my mark is sufficient again.. (This was a listening test.. Now he shouldnt dare to say I'm BAD when it comes to German.)

Anyway, back on topic. Kids Like Us should be uploaded today. And probably when I have the new mic I will resing all the songs, hoping for a better quality.

For those waiting for the results of the gof singing project. It'll be up soon, I promise. :)

Edit: I have to thank Malte for sending me 'Kids Like Us' and some other LBT songs. Really.. Thank you  :^.^:
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: Kor on June 13, 2008, 10:16:45 AM
Thanks for the update.  It must be hard to find time alone with you live with others, especially other siblings.   You may have an idea of how Ducky must feel at times when she is back her parent's nest with all her other siblings.
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: Mumbling on June 13, 2008, 11:37:09 AM
Yes.. I absolutly know haha. Still, no matter how anoying they are, I will always love them :) .

I just noticed my voice isn't great today...  :unsure: Though I did record like.. 5 songs? Both Dutch & English, I'll upload em later today.. Most of them will have some notes on the wrong place.. :p
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: NeptuneNavigator2001 on June 13, 2008, 01:01:20 PM
Aww, Iris, that's okay!  Really!  You're stepping out, sis!  You're doing these songs, and that's great!  I know you want them to sound "good," but, don't be hard on yourself, okay?

*off-topic*

LOL, you are SO FAR ahead of me on our post count!  :P: Heh!  I don't mind....  Feels like there's been a LOT less activity on the board nowadays.....

*on-topic*

Just keep plugging away at it, Iris!
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: Mumbling on June 13, 2008, 02:11:23 PM
songs?:
 How do you know (http://www.adrive.com/public/c5747e1c512e3cf273dab0b2582f5288c9f984bb8e83e800fd2023b6d653b421.html)
Kids Like Us (http://www.adrive.com/public/e598aecdd6bed0195a5b1f514b791c8c59fbb0f12b4d795d508ff3fd119cdedd.html)
Kinderen net als wij(dutch for kids like us) (http://www.adrive.com/public/8f268489e3d3f20b84ff2349ee13876af1ec70bf9d153f85328ab4134c20cc36.html)
Say So (http://www.adrive.com/public/01234d4067fa3f669a632e193620a472d698f88e0905879845586efbe97d8d86.html)
The Lone Dinosaur (http://www.adrive.com/public/3b079d1bfb15dc4a4cafedd10969b38031cfec01fc12a30101d02ddae84eca2d.html)
The mad song*I went crazy in this one xD don't let me scare ya :p * (http://www.adrive.com/public/79a69b839995e1d26419f69a7431e42d69cc483d776bda5d01938081b6fd2615.html)
Vriendjes voor altijd, I had this before but was deleted (http://www.adrive.com/public/88cac4e4ae4978b6db375f85ee38824b82b0906830da07aabebf6b448618c69e.html)
When you're big(Dutch) (http://www.adrive.com/public/09d73f2d8d52a0279ee1c6a0f943753e571729a6eb08ce41447f5b5a71b31185.html)

THEY ARE TERRIBLE, DON'T BLOW UP YOUR EARS xD!!
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: Kor on June 14, 2008, 01:51:33 AM
Are those new songs, or old ones you've done and you're putting the links in one place for convenience  of folks?
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: Mumbling on June 14, 2008, 01:53:06 AM
Quote from: Kor,Jun 14 2008 on  07:51 AM
Are those new songs, or old ones you've done and you're putting the links in one place for convenience of folks?
New ones.. All of them, except for Vriendjes voor altijd. I already had that one, but it was deleted. All the links to my songs are in the original first post.
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: Kor on June 14, 2008, 09:04:06 AM
Thanks for the new songs and it's a good idea to keep the links all organized like you've been doing.
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: Mumbling on June 17, 2008, 02:00:37 PM
Update:

No new mic is coming, it was broken.

Insufficient for German again! I got one more test to make everything alright, but that'll be about all the grammar we had this year. I'm so going to mess it up.

I had an odd feeling, while listening to things change. Somehow my mind started to develop thesame text in another melody. I'm working that out now, it'll probably be the next thing you'll see here. But it'll take some time.

Patrick, about singing in german. Maybe you can send me the song family, so that I can put it on my ipod. Because my computer upstairs cannot play and record at thesame time. (it plays 3 times as slow as normal) Heh. I did manage to analize the text though!

And I might use the mic of my mother once, to see if it's any better then my webcam :P:
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: Kor on June 17, 2008, 05:00:38 PM
To bad about the test.  Some folks, I would assume, test badly but still know what they've studied, just the stress of the test makes it look worst, and some do not learn well the way school teaches.

Hope you get a working mike soon.
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: Lucario#1 on July 05, 2008, 08:19:03 AM
I still love your singing! :lol
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: Nimrod on July 05, 2008, 08:43:28 AM
well, only problem is, I don¥t have it in german. what I can do is, I could ask a friend of mine to send me the german version. But I¥ll try my best :-)
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: Mumbling on July 05, 2008, 10:31:19 AM
Thanks, that'd be nice :)
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: Amaranthine on July 26, 2008, 12:41:28 PM
XD I love how you sang the "Mad Song".  :lol:

Nice singing! :D
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: Mumbling on August 07, 2008, 02:45:33 AM
Quote from: Rat_lady7,Jul 26 2008 on  06:41 PM
XD I love how you sang the "Mad Song".  :lol:
rofl.. xD

I can get really crazy sometimes.. with singing or talking or whatever, it doesn't happen tooo often but.. yea.. :p

anyway, thanks :)
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: Mumbling on February 23, 2009, 02:21:59 PM
After 7 months of no activity in this topic I thought I might revive it. :)

My english has increased, so has my voice. I have got a cold right now but who cares... I mean... I had to sing the dutch version of if we hold on together! And since I had a nice videoclip of it anyway, I will give the youtube link(once uploaded).

The recording quality isn't quite what people would call... great... but that's because of this computer's soundcard, not sure what's wrong with it but it makes my mic sound terrible.
(Oh and it goes out of sync somewhere random. Thats because my computer gets slow when recording hmm.... Ya know what? I'm gonna resing it on the computer downstairs where the result will be waay better :yes )

Here's the link! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvX3Jat0nFk&fmt=18 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvX3Jat0nFk&fmt=18)
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: NeptuneNavigator2001 on February 23, 2009, 06:41:32 PM
That's awesome Iris. :) And, my opinion, about the sound card, it's probably that it's not as high quality as the sound card in the other computer, perhaps. :oops :) Maybe you could find a newer one somewhere for cheap; that would probably fix that. :) Just my thoughts about that. ;)

EDIT: And oh boy, I haven't downloaded several of your other songs from this post... xD I should just redownload them all. :)

EDIT 2: Oof, oh no, some of them won't download, I think since they were on driveway, and, I think that whole server's down now... :unsure: Can you reupload the ones that don't work anymore to adrive or some other place, so we can download any we might not currently be able to?
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: Mumbling on February 24, 2009, 02:10:30 AM
Sorry no... I lost all my songs somewhere...

But its correct that this soundcard sucks when compared to the one in the other computer. Dont feel like spending any money on it though ;)
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: NeptuneNavigator2001 on February 25, 2009, 12:44:54 PM
Quote from: Mumbling,Feb 23 2009 on  10:10 PM
Sorry no... I lost all my songs somewhere...
:blink: Oh no.....  :confused .....I have some of them, I know that............  Hmmm, that's too bad....  :(

EDIT: Yay, I do have all the ones that were uploaded to Driveway. :) Got 'em in time, but, I was confused, because apparently Iris, the link you pasted for Kids Like Us (the English version) is actually the link for How Do You Know?......xD LOL! :p So, those of us who wanted to download the songs that were on adrive, couldn't ever get the English version of Kids Like Us... xD Oops. :p I downloaded the last two I was missing, except for that one, since, I, couldn't.... xD Can you access your adrive files? :) Heavens, please, fix that error.... :D That's the only one I'm missing. ;)
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: Mumbling on February 25, 2009, 04:39:10 PM
Oh lol. Yes I can access my Adrive account.. :) Let's see how to fix that ;)
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: NaNaNa on March 08, 2009, 12:02:36 PM
Seriously, if you just had a little more self confidence in your singing, it would be perfect. Whats with all the disclaimers about it sounding bad? It doesn't sound bad, it sounds incredible
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: Mumbling on March 08, 2009, 12:09:42 PM
Errr.. I can do that just.. not in the microphone..

Dont ask me why cus I have no idea, but if someone ever will record me when im singing and I dont know that I'm being recorded ya can probably hear that.

Thanks though :D
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: Vek on October 16, 2010, 07:05:12 PM
*sound of digging*

Me: hum ? what is that... It's look like... an old... singing topic ! Jonhson ! Tell the men to stop the search, i found something !

Jonhson: Right away, sir !

Me: Wow, many songs in it.

Jonhson: Indeed, sir.

Me: let see...

Jonhson: Sir... What is that ?

Me: a 404 error, it happen sometime. Let look the others... 404, 404, 404, 404...

Jonhson: Sir, there is a file unavailable here !

Me: Yeah, its the same thing, you idiot.

Jonhson: Forgive me, sir.

Me: Not until you go flagellate yourself.

Jonhson: I will, sir ! * walk away *

Me: Good. Jackson !

Jackson: Sir ?

Me: Bring me a brick wall so i can hit it with my head. The internet hate me. It's the 3rd time its happen when i simply want hear fandub LBT song.

Jackson: Here you go, sir !

Me: Thank, Jackson.

:bang
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: Mumbling on October 16, 2010, 07:59:15 PM
Terribly sorry, but I doubt I still have those songs. I will look into it another time.
Title: LBT songs sung by mumbling
Post by: Nimrod on October 24, 2010, 07:27:02 AM
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