The Gang of Five
The Land Before Time => General Land Before Time => Topic started by: Bruton the Iguanodon on December 31, 2011, 11:43:05 PM
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...feel bad for Ducky and Spike...what happened to them in 6...you know?
Because I haven't come across a single person who seems to feel sorry for what they went through. The fact that it was offscreen and we see them so happy just afterwards---espicially Spike while he's singing---might soften it, but you have to remember what happened. Doesn't anyone here?
Well, either way I gained new respect for Spike and Ducky after that---seeing as they've suffered real pain. I've yet to gain this respect for any of the rest of the gang. Over the course of 13 films. Can you believe it?!
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I don't recall what happens to them.
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Ducky got her beak stuck in a hive of buzzing stingers. Same thing happened to Spike's tail.
Does the fact that someone forgot mean I'm in the minority? :unsure:
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They got stung by bees. Who hasn't been stung by a bee or worse? To me, respect is about so much more than just pain. Why is it that these two deserve respect for a painful mishap and yet the others don't get respect for the things they've gone through or all the good things they've done? Of course I felt sorry for those two when it happened, but I never favored them above the others for getting stung by bees.
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Ah I see.
I can't say I felt that bad for them, since, from what you said, they're fine later on. So the stings were not traumatic.
Besides, bee stings aren't the worst things they could have endured. In fact there is a moment in LBT where they faced something much worse than a simple horde of bees: lava. In the first movie, Ducky and Spike were trapped on a slab of stone surrounded by lava, and they almost got hit by it.
Believe me, touching the lava would have caused them much more pain than a few stings to the beak or tail.
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But they didn't touch the lava, thanks 2 Littlefoot. :smile
So, I prove my point?
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What exactly is the point of which you wonder about?
Personally I never saw the bee stings as anything overly dramatic (and neither seemed Ducky).
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Unless they were allergic or a ton of the bees stung them, the bee stings would be no more than a mere annoyance to them. But they're fine in the next scene, which suggests to me that they either did not get stung or not many bees stung them.
I've got stung by a bee a few times growing up, so I know how painful it is. But a bee sting is not usually serious. It's usually very minor and requires little treatment.
Being stung by bees is not the worst thing that happened to Ducky and Spike. As I said before, they had to face lava in the first movie, and there's no way getting chased by a horde of bees is more traumatic than almost falling into lava.
And the gang has been through things that I would consider worse than a few stings. Here's a couple of them:
-When Cera was getting chased by the crazy domeheads and almost gets crushed by them
-When Littlefoot almost because lunch because he stood inside a sharptooth's mouth
-When Cera and the twins fell from Saurus Rock
-When Cera twisted her ankle (yes I consider this worse than bee stings because it hinders her walking ability)
-When Petrie's wings froze in the sky and he fell down
-When Littlefoot was almost killed by Ozzy and Strut
All these things I would consider as worse than bee stings. Bee stings, while painful, are very minor, unless you're allergic or a lot of them sting, neither of which was true in LBT6 since Spike and Ducky are not on the ground moaning from the stings, or getting treated for it.
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But no 1 was seriously injured then
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Being stung is not being seriously injured either, though.
It's really not as bad as you make it out to be. I think your just taking one of the only instances of injury in the series, and blowing it way out of proportion because it's the only one, and you WANT it to be serious.
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It WAS serious; people underplay this scene
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Tell Ducky that she underplayed it for she didn't seem to care much either, nor did Spike. Seriously, a bee sting is hardly a serious injury of any kind unless you happen to be allergic (which neither Ducky nor Spike apparently were). Why exactly do you think it was so extremely dramatic. Please give reasons for your opinion of a bee sting being so serious an event or so grave an injury.
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I agree with Malte, however, I'm going to contradict myself. Ducky was not stung by a bee, but was stung by multiple. Depicting there was at least twenty, it could have been serious since all the poison has been on them. But I'm guessing that it wasn't since Ducky didn't seem to care about it that much.
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At least 20?!!!!! :blink: :blink:
Oh, poor Ducky, poor Spike...:cry I'm talking bout this cause this is the only time the main cast was ever injured in the film series
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I'm talking bout this cause this is the only time the main cast was ever injured in the film series
I think your just taking one of the only instances of injury in the series, and blowing it way out of proportion because it's the only one, and you WANT it to be serious.
... I rest my case.
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We only ever saw Petrie being chased by that number of bees while we don't know if those were the selfsame bees as in case of Ducky and Spike. It is not likely that Ducky and Spike were stung many times otherwise it would be odd why all of the stings would be so close to the same spot that they could all be covered with a single leaf.
I'm talking bout this cause this is the only time the main cast was ever injured in the film series
No it wasn't. We see several characters being knocked unconscious (which I tend to consider as more grave than a bee sting), we have Littlefoot nearly drowning in LBT 9 (a fate shared by Cera in one TV episode), we have the charcters being hit by avalanches of rocks, mud, and snow, we have Petrie being rendered incapable of flying for twisting a wing (in the TV series), we have (also in the TV series) Littlefoot being rendered hobbling for steping into a sharp thorn...
With all this I really fail to see the special drama of a bee sting.
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No, no one was ever injured in the film series; half the injuries you pointed out weren't injuries and the others we had to wait till the tv series to see. It was the first time Spike and Ducky were ever injured, making it the first time any member of the gang was injured. And they haven't been injured since---Ducky stubbing her foot on a rock during "The Mad Song" in 8 and nearly being crushed by Spike in 10 isn't exactly what I'd call breaking the mold---it practically is the f***king mold!!
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Think what you will of it (but kindly do not continue to use even the censored version of the f-word all the time. It is not helping to make your points more convincing if used in excess), but I maintain my view that the cases I listed (some of which could have been near-death experiences) are somewhat more severe than a bee sting. You have every right to think differently about it, but I doubt you will find a majority consensus on your interpretation of what is serious and what is not among the things mentioned in this thread.
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But seriously, can you think of any other times one of the main cat was actually injured during the films series? 9Not the tv series)
13 films and all we got was a killer wasp attack stuck smack dab in the middle. Seriously, after 13 films....??!! You miss 5 minutes oif movie 6 and you wouldn't even know any of the cast got injured. Why the bee stings bother me is that if not 4 those...the whole cast would have got out scot free. But as it is...
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Another instance of characters getting injured in LBT is when Cera twisted her leg in a TV episode. It caused her enough pain that she could not walk home without Spike's help. That obviously caused her a lot more pain than a few bee stings did to Ducky and Spike (who were fine in the next scene apparently, while Cera was limping or showing signs of pain the rest of the episode).
The idea that the bee stings are the only time the gang got injured is, in my opinion, just silly. They were injured even in the first movie. No one can honestly believe that Littlefoot and Cera didn't get hurt during their fight. They were really ramming into each other, knocking each other around, there's just no way they didn't get hurt from that, even if it was just bruising.
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They were injured even in the first movie. No one can honestly believe that Littlefoot and Cera didn't get hurt during their fight. They were really ramming into each other, knocking each other around, there's just no way they didn't get hurt from that, even if it was just bruising.
I'm not talking about the occasional "boo-boo" which you can forget about it less then 10 seconds. There's plenty of those:
1. When Littlefoot got scratched by Petrie when he climbed up on Littlefoot's head in 1
2. When Littlefoot and Cera fought in 1
3. When Cera bumped into a stalegmite in 1
4. When, after the landslide Petrie said "Me hurt all over" in 2
5. When Chomper bit Cera in 1
6. When Ali bit Littlefoot in 4
7. When Littlefoot bumped his head on the log at the beginning of 5
8. When Ducky smashed her hand on Spike's tail in 5
9. When Littlefoot got his tail bitten by Spike in 5
10. When Littlefoot tailwhipped himself in 6
11. When Littlefoot got a rock dropped on his toes by Petrie in 6
12. When Littlefoot rolled over on a pinecone in 7
13. When Ducky smashed her foot onto a rock in 8
And so on. There's no shortage of those. But real injuries? The one you mentioned was from the TV series, I'm talking about the film series. The fact that we had to wait until the tv series to see many real injuries is enough to prove my point. I even googled "Land Before Time injuires"...and got a result for
a topic I made on this site questioning why they hardly ever happen. Serriously, what's up witht this?
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I'm not talking about the occasional "boo-boo"
I beg your pardon, but you have been talking about bee stings all the time. I think we really got some very different definitions there. A bee sting would be a "boo-boo" to me while being knocked unconscious or rendered unable to walk or (in Petrie's case) fly, or near drowning experiences and all that by my definition simply go way beyond the "horrors" of a bee-sting (something so negligible that I would think even the term injury would be pushed if applied to a bee-sting).
With everyone participating here having basically made their points I reckon we must agree to disagree on this issue.
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Okay, I'm just saying there's no "hospital worthy" stuff
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A bee sting would definitely qualify as a "boo-boo", especially since Ducky and Spike were not in any agony later on. I find it strange to elevate bee stings above stuff like having an ankle painfully twisted to one side (I had that happen and it's not fun), having a horn rammed against my back (I'm sure Littlefoot felt that for a while), or even a rock slide (which would have hurt a lot more).
I see no reason why bee stings are so serious of an injury. They are obviously not. If Ducky and Spike were allergic, that's one thing. But they aren't allergic, so it's not serious. I don't see a reason why the bee stings they received should be treated like they were the worst things that ever happened to them while other worse things had happened before.
I feel that you are making a mountain out of a mole hill with this one incident. I'm not saying bee stings aren't painful, but they are hardly a serious injury that requires a lot of attention. Ducky and Spike obviously did not get a lot of stings nor were they allergic since we don't see them in agony later on, and far as I know, it was not referenced later on.
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Okay, I'm just saying there's no "hospital worthy" stuff
Being knocked unconscious by avalanches or loosing consciousness for lack of oxgen under water and falling distances multiple times the hight of the person falling are the kind of stuff that get people in hospital over here.
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Okay, I'm just saying there's no "hospital worthy" stuff
Being knocked unconscious by avalanches or loosing consciousness for lack of oxgen under water and falling distances multiple times the hight of the person falling are the kind of stuff that get people in hospital over here.
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I think Ducky getting repeatedly smashed a tree Cera was stomping on in LBT XII was more painful than a bee sting or two. Heck, even getting slept on by a pile-up of Yellowbellies and then farted on would be a lot more painful :crazy. Ducky and Petrie may not have verbally expressed pain during that scene, but their expressions said it all :lol.
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Sooooooooooooooooooooooo glad I didn't see it
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Buit anyways, the gang has suffered worse stuff in terms of near-death expieriences...but getting hurt? This is more then usual, is my point.
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The first movie alone is full of characters smashing rocks, intetionally or un-intentionally, and their bodies producing some unnerving blunt sounds when hitting some other rocks but not smashing them, like when Littlefoot is thrown at a rock when he fights Cera. If those aren't injuries, then bee stings aren't either.
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Wouldn't the bee stings hurt more though, then those incidents like Petrie crashing into the ground when they first meet him, etc?
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well, Smashing into the ground seems to have given Petrie permanent brain damage. Why else does he say "me" all the time?
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well, Smashing into the ground seems to have given Petrie permanent brain damage. Why else does he say "me" all the time?
I think it was already established in an earlier topic that it didn't give him brain damage. Saying "me" is not indication of brain damage or even retardation; it's just the way he speaks. Why should him saying "me" all the time be a reason to label him stupid or 'damaged'?
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Plus he did not start using me instead of I until LBT 2 ;)
Still (and in spite of the fact that the original movie didn't dwell on it one bit) I suppose smashing through a layer of earth after a high fall is not unlikely to cause injuries.
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Still (and in spite of the fact that the original movie didn't dwell on it one bit)
Ta-da, if it didn't dwell on it, he wasn't injured. Admit it guys, the most the characters have ever actually gotten hurt was the bee stings. And as you've pointed out to me, that's weak.
Petrie does say "I teach you to flyyyy" in 2, by the way :smile
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I think the most herendous injury would be Pat's lava injury. That was pretty brutal if you ask me. If you are just talking about the main protagonists, then most brutal injury would be Cera's injury in "10", when she headbutts the rock.
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Oh definitely. Pat got hit by lava I believe. He was lucky his leg didn't char off. His injury was more severe than a few bee stings and more crippling. He had a hard time fighting the sharptooth because of it.
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I mean of what the main cast has suffered.
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Then yes, Cera's headbutt would qualify as the biggest injury in the series. Remember this is my opinion, but I think this matches up to just plain old bee stings or even is the most. Cera got a minor concussion from her action. Ducky and Spike, though, could still carry on with their normal lives.
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That's pretty weak---she also injured her leg in the series, Petrie injured his wing, and Littlefoot stepped on a sharp plant. Can anyone think of any other times the main cast has been injured other then these and the bee stings?
Also, Topps has never been hurt...
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Littlefoot rolled over a pine cone(7), Littlefoot was injured after the attack from Cera (1), The gang were stuck in the tar pit (3) (IDK if that counts, but it sure kinda does.), Rocks fell on Petrie (2), Petrie was injured by a ton of snow pushed on his head (8), and that's all I can think of now.
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Was Littlefoot really injured by Cera? As much or worse then Spike and Ducky were in 6?
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It seemed that way. If I was beaten up by some bully that is significantly stronger than me, I would sure be much more injured than if I got a dozen bee stings.
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Oh, and wasn't Petrie struck by lightning in 9? Wouldn't that be as bad as a bee sting or worse?
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I don't ever recall that. What time frame was that in?
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I believe some point around the 57:00 mark...when he flies up to avoid the swimming sharptooth
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Okay, so that would probably be the biggest injury then. (definitley beats the bee stings Ducky and Spike had).
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Wait---did you just go and watch it?
If so, was I correct about him getting struck?
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Yeah, I have it on iTunes. It costs like $10 to get it.
But yes, you are correct. It was 58:32.
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Guess it's time for me to face the facts that there are more injuries in the series then I thought. Really, we just fond 3 really nasty incidents Littlefoot, Cera and Petrie suffered, so in reality Ducky and Spike have suffered the least. Isn't that ironic? :wow
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Sort of, you could definitley put it that way. The three most used characters face the harsher challenges than the two other characters. It's pretty predictable especially since it happens in many other movies.
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Littlefoot, Cera and Petrie are the most used, huh?
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Yes.
Littlefoot - should be the most obvious ones to be used in the most of the stories since he is the one that really started LBT. Without him, none of the characters would have come together because of their race.
Cera - Second most used character. She really helps add more conflict and resolutions to plots more than she does on trying to be her character. This would probably why she is the way she is. Without her, some of the plots in the sequels would be impossible to finish unless they use a different character.
Petrie - Ah, yes, good 'ol Petrie. He pretty much uses his flying ability to help out the gang in different areas of searching.
Ducky - pretty much useless except in 7 when she gets stuck in the cave. Pterano would have not been stopped if Ducky never left out.
Spike - Useless of them all. All he does is eat, sleep, eat, chew, walk a little, eat, (you get the point.)
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Still (and in spite of the fact that the original movie didn't dwell on it one bit) I suppose smashing through a layer of earth after a high fall is not unlikely to cause injuries
So, does Petre's fall count then as a worse then bee stings injury?
Also, it's possible he was stung by a bee at least once when he fell in the tree, right?
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I often look at this offscreen injury as the turning poit for Spike and Ducky. There are two sides of their life in the series. The first is the innocent days of the earlier films in which they knew no real pain, and then, after the "It's you" scene in 6 when they walk away, the other side begins---seemingly as carefree---seemingly morecarefree, actully---but with the terrible knowledge of fiery hot pain. :cry
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Seriously, I think you blow a bee sting or a couple of them widely out of proportion. I don't see any indication for Ducky or Spike to suffer from that kind of trauma you seem to make it.
PS: I took the liberty to add a subtitle line ("Bee stings in LBT 6" to this thread since the original title didn't let on what it was all about).
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Ok, so then all these "injuries" were worse?
Petrie being struck by lightning on the tail
Petrie being crsuhed by snow
Littlefoot rolling over onto a pine cone
Ducky being dropped by Ichy
Ducky being stepped on by Cera in 12
Petrie crashing into the earth in 1
Littlefoot getting beaten by Cera in 1
Petrie getting crushed by rocks in 1
Ducky getting thrown by Ms. Maia in 6
http://gangoffive.net/index.php?showtopic=5221&st=560 (http://gangoffive.net/index.php?showtopic=5221&st=560)
Members here think otherwise
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In reality, all those would be worse than a bee sting. And you can't contest that.
But, since we're talking about an animated movie, where reality isn't very important, maybe the "terrible bee sting" does have some merit inside the LBT universe. So, let's take a closer look.
Since none of the injuries (including the bee-stings) left any long-term marks on the characters in LBT (with the possible exception of Petrie), the only way we can judge the severity of a injury, in-universe style, is the amount of acute (sudden) pain it would cause. So, during an injury we have to see the character's reaction.
And since we didn't see Spike's and Ducky's reaction during the bee sting, and having already established that we cannot rely on reality regarding injuries in LBT either, we cannot know how painful it was. Or can we?
What was the most severe reaction of all? Ducky falling unconscious after hitting the hard surface of water in LBT 4 (water seems very hard when you jump from a high point, and it is painful). She couldn't have fallen unconscius from the bee stings, otherwise she would not have been able to run away from the beehive, and bees would have stung her all over.
So, that's at least one injury that was more severe than the bee stings, and that is using the laws of LBT, not laws of reality.
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But in 7 she bit Sierra and he dropped her and she fell for 28 f***ing seconds before hitting the water and didn't pass out or antything!!!!
(I'm serious---I timed it myself and it's 28...f***king...seconds.)
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^LBT doesn't pay much attention to reality. Or consistency. That's why I proposed that watching the character's reactions could be the only way to measure the pain endured, on a case-to-case basis. Otherwise, there's no way to measure severity of an injury in LBT in-universe style. If we don't want to use reactions as an indicator, then we will have to apply the laws of our world, and then the bee stings will be far behind smashing and hitting rocks, falling on water from high altitudes, being struck by lightning and being burnt by being near lava. Or, we won't apply any laws at all, and in that case discussing which injury is the worst is pointless, because we have no way of measuring it.
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And since we didn't see Spike's and Ducky's reaction during the bee sting,
Which I'm really upset about---should't we see them in their last moments before they get stung? I wanted to see how it happened, their reactions...but we didn't. :anger
Also, did Petrie get stung whe he fell in?!
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Hello?
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I'm going to say this in the nicest way I can. Be patient. If people want to respond to your topic, they will. If they don't, then they don't. Bumping the topic until somebody responds is not allowed and it doesn't get you anywhere.
To be honest, why would you want to see them get stung? It does nothing to help the plot progress. The conversation was about bad luck. Petrie didn't believe in it, and what happens? Ducky and Spike arrive after being stung. That's all that's really needed. I honestly would not have wanted that scene in the movie because I don't think it would have added anything to the plot.
It's more than likely Petrie did not get stung when he fell, otherwise we would have heard him yell "Ouch" or something along those lines. When he flew out, he was yelling out of fear not pain.
In terms of injuries, I might be repeating this and if I am then I apologize, but Chomper bites Cera's tail in LBT 2. Yes, no scars or anything appear, but getting bitten by something that could have easily torn her tail off (excuse the graphic imagery) is far more severe than being stung by a wasp.
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OK...It's just hard 2 be patient sometimes
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I'm just sort of...annoyed that it wasn't shown. <_<
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It was just a forgettable throwaway gag in the Bad Luck song. I'm sure they didn't put as much thought into it than you have, even.
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It happened before the song, though. So yeah, it was offscreen and could've been shown. I guess the closest we'll ever get is my fanfic of it. Seriously, I have one.
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Don't any of you wish it could have been shown or think it could have been shown?
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Don't any of you wish it could have been shown or think it could have been shown?
If the bee stings were a conclusion of a kind of an Ducky and Spike mini-adventure, then yes I would like to see that sub-plot. But the stinging all by itself, not really. The stinging scene all by itself would be little different from the scene in the fifth movie where Ducky gets kidnapped by a rhamphorynchus.
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Since they had the decency to include that pointless scene why not show this one?
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Perhaps because they learned about not including pointless scenes? Are you complaining about the lack of a pointless scene?
By comparison I would give the scene about Ducky in LBT V a little more credit than I would to a bee-sting scene. The LBT V scene provoked Cera's first open outbreak of distrust against Chomper right into his face (while everything up to that point had been either while he wasn't around or else aimed at his parents). The bee-stings however are (from what I read in all threads about it so far) not considered as anything important by anyone except for yourself. I'm afraid you have a bit of a little obsession about these bee-stings (no offense meant) which just isn't really shared by many if any.
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Well, then why even bother to include it if it's not gonna be shown? I mean, it didn't sit well among how things had been going so far---up till then, the whole gang had gotten through the series practically unscathed. For all the perils they've been through, that's amazing.
Plus, I'd much rather see this then the Ducky kidnapping scene in 5, which just feels like what you see in 4 and in 7
Gosh, though, am I the only person to actually put this much consideration into Ducky and Spike's stinger attack? Well, if so, I'm proud of it. :smile
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up till then, the whole gang had gotten through the series practically unscathed
No they hadn't and we had examples listed several times before. I can only repeat that you seem to be the only one to consider a bee-sting anything so serious. Take pride in that if you will but to others your concerns may appear rather exaggerated. Personally I really feel that you are making a sharptooth out of a bee so to speak. A bee-sting is not any kind of real wound or perhaps not even an injury. Judging from the little attention given to it the LBT characters don't seem to agree with you either on this point and this alone may be the sole answer to your ever repeated question why no bigger deal was made out of the bee-stings.
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Unscathed? I don't think so. What about Ducky getting knocked out? What about Cera hitting her head so hard that she felt horrible afterwards? What about Cera getting bitten by Chomper? What about the rock slide they were caught in? Surely that resulted in a few bruises or scratches (not shown simply because it's a kids' movie).
These and other examples of more serious injuries have been provided for you, and yet you seem to ignore them and elevate a few mere bee stings as being more important. The gang didn't take the bee stings that seriously. I don't recall them having nightmares about bees. Heck I don't think it was ever mentioned again. So it seems like you really are taking the bee stings more seriously than the gang ever did.
Seriously, I don't get why you continue to believe that the bee stings are more serious than they really are, or why you seem to think something like getting knocked out is less serious than a bee sting. It's just a bee sting. It's only a minor discomfort. It's not going to disable them in any way.
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Well, Ducky only fell on her back in 4, that wouldn't hurt as much as the LBT 6 incident, (if she fell face first I'd say differently, but as it is she probably just had the wind knocked out of her ad went unconcious.
2 of the other examples you listed---the gang getting caught in the rockslide in 2 and Cera getting bitten by Chomper in the same film---would't have been nearly as bad as the movie 6 incident either. The other incident you mentioned happens in 10; while it looked bad it wasn't early as bad either.
They've had a few instances when they could have matched the bee stings--- for example, they could have shown Littlefoot gettig really hurt in his fight with Cera in 1, or actually have had the lightning strike Petrie in 9 (lightning isn't necessarily fatal) but both were averted.
Have I proved my point yet?
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You have not proven anything at all Bron!
You just keep repeating your own personal opinion Bron which you are of course perfectly fine to have.
But to once again answer the question that you originally seemed to have "Does anyone but me consider the LBT 6 bee-stings a terrible injury exceeding anything else we had in LBT up to that point"
NO, apparently nobody does.
Once again you are perfectly entitled to your opinion but so is everybody else to theirs. I got to admit that I don't really have the impression that there is any real discussion in this thread anymore. You deny or ignore what everyone else is saying to stick to your opinion. At the same time you do not come up with any arguments other than your personal opinion not backing it up with any further points or arguments other than your view that bee stings were more horrible than everyone here but yourself perceives them to be. Your opinion has been noted and you are entitled to it, but unless you have anything more at all to say to back up your opinion I suggest you learn to accept that others do not consider bee-stings as something so dreadful as you do (by what we see in LBT 6 not even Ducky and Spike seem to).
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I made my arguments here:
Well, Ducky only fell on her back in 4, that wouldn't hurt as much as the LBT 6 incident, (if she fell face first I'd say differently, but as it is she probably just had the wind knocked out of her ad went unconcious.
2 of the other examples you listed---the gang getting caught in the rockslide in 2 and Cera getting bitten by Chomper in the same film---would't have been nearly as bad as the movie 6 incident either. The other incident you mentioned happens in 10; while it looked bad it wasn't early as bad either.
And I also proved how they could have been injured worse:
They've had a few instances when they could have matched the bee stings--- for example, they could have shown Littlefoot gettig really hurt in his fight with Cera in 1, or actually have had the lightning strike Petrie in 9 (lightning isn't necessarily fatal) but both were averted.
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Dude, are you seriously still bring this up? What did we say about thinking before you post? You are not posting anything new to the discussion. You are merely re-posting your previous points because you don't want to accept that nobody else agrees with you. If you ask me, this topic should be closed because there is nothing of value that can be earned through arguing about this.
Bruton, nobody agrees with your view. Deal with it and move on.
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Alright, I understand, but I have a few more things to ask
Why did they not have Petrie get actually struck by lightning in 9? They could have injured him, but didn't...or did they? His tail looked black...or am I just seeing things?
And are you sure just faling flat on you back, getting the wind knoked out of you and briefly passing out would be worse then getting stung over and over until you managed to unstick yourself? What Ducky suffered in 6 sounds far worse...but yet people say otherwise. :huh:
Ad 6 was the first time Spike got hurt really bad. Unless the rockslide in 2 counts...does it? :unsure:
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And are you sure just faling flat on you back, getting the wind knoked out of you and briefly passing out would be worse then getting stung over and over until you managed to unstick yourself?
Yes, Bruton. Yes.
Ad 6 was the first time Spike got hurt really bad. Unless the rockslide in 2 counts...does it?
The rockslide counts. But OK, Spike appears to be a sturdy fellow who has it hard getting injured.
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Why did they not have Petrie get actually struck by lightning in 9?
Because they didn't. I don't get why you think so much about it. Not every dangerous situation the gang gets put in has to lead to an injury.
And are you sure just faling flat on you back, getting the wind knoked out of you and briefly passing out would be worse then getting stung over and over until you managed to unstick yourself? What Ducky suffered in 6 sounds far worse...but yet people say otherwise.
YES! Falling from high above, crashing into the water and becoming momentarily UNCONSCIOUS is far worse than being stung by a couple bees. DUCKY ALMOST DIED FROM THAT FALL! You can't be killed from bee stings.
Ad 6 was the first time Spike got hurt really bad. Unless the rockslide in 2 counts...does it?
The rock slide does count. Technically you can also count the numerous times he has fallen during movie 1, even though it didn't show any scarring. But again, BEE STINGS ARE NOT A SERIOUS INJURY!
I really fail to understand why you consist on putting so much emphasis on the severity of something so trivial. Why can't you just accept that nobody agrees with your opinion and trying to force it down upon us is not going to get you anywhere?
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Yes, falling down and hitting water and going unconscious is indeed far more severe than a mere bee sting. Sorry Bruton, but you cannot elevate a bee sting above being unconscious. Being obviously obsessed with bee stings does not make them more severe than anything else.
Ducky almost died for being knocked out. She did not die from a bee sting. Are you ignoring this fact? People already explained to you why bee stings are minor and not even real injuries at all, and yet you continue to ignore what people told you to stick with your predetermined belief, as if you have some kind of phobia around bee stings or something.
Nothing you have said has proven your point, Bruton, and it likely never will. Nobody here is as afraid of bee stings as you are. Nobody here thinks they are that serious. They're only serious if you're allergic and if enough bees sting, but neither of this was true for Ducky and Spike and even they don't share your enthusiasm about bee stings being a "traumatic injury" nor did they fall apart "experiencing the first real pain", since they already experienced pain before.
I do agree that this topic has not brought much worthwhile discussion in regards to LBT. All it has been is you exaggerating the severity of a mere bee sting, ignoring what others have said on the matter, trying to make bee stings worse than what other things had happened to the gang while trying to make those incidents to be minor inconveniences, and you continuously trying to prove your point while providing no real evidence on your part and only repeating your opinion.
What exactly are you trying to accomplish? Are you trying to make us all suddenly say "Okay you're right. Bee stings are more horrible than falling from a great height" or something like that? Sorry, but it ain't going to happen. So my advice for you is just to accept that nobody agrees with you and stop trying to us to agree with you on this.
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Alright, I get it.
I'm sorry.
I guess it was in the long run unnecesary.
Why did they not have Petrie get actually struck by lightning in 9?
Because they didn't. I don't get why you think so much about it. Not every dangerous situation the gang gets put in has to lead to an injury.
Just wondering why though, seeing as he was so close and it wouldn't have efected the story
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And I suppose, from what other people have said, that the rockslide in 2 was just as painful, if not more, to Spike---as well as the other 4 members of the gang---as the movie 6 one?
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...Y'know Bruton, I've seen a lot of pointless topics you've made and bumped lately. Not many of us have time or the reason to post into something as pointless as a bee sting scene. We have lives to take care of outside of the internet. Do you have anything better to do that doesn't involve LBT?
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Sadly, no. I don't really have any friends or anything...this is the most exiting thing in my life.
I can't believe I'm saying this!
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Cut it out oogaboo!
Nobody on the GOF is entitled to tell someone else to just leave unless there is a violation of rules. I want to say what I have said in some chats before, that I do appreciate the boost of activity which Bruton has created in the land before time sections. We will not make any attempts to badger Bruton out or anything!
You Bruton however really, REALLY need to work on yourself in order not to badger others. Do take to heart and turn into action what recommendations I have given you before. Pestering people about answers which they obviously don't have, and insisting on your view of matters (regarding bee-stings for example) without really backing it up with anything but opinions (which are not kept distinctly separate from opinions in the process) are examples of attitudes which people are legitimately getting annoyed about as you have undoubtedly noticed. Some GOF members had a difficult start in the past but managed to integrate really well into our community. Most people here don't tend to hold grudges or annoyances if a person changes in that respect, but they really need to see the effort someone is taking not to be annoying in order for that someone not to be perceived so.
Unless something interesting and non repetitive is brought up in this chat within the next day I think I'm going to close it down as I'm afraid it has reached the point where opinions regarding bee-stings and their severity or lack of such are established and where little more than harsh feelings over so ridiculous a matter can be "achieved".
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But Oogaboo didn't tell Bruton to leave. The way I interpreted it, he was just asking Bruton if he could participate in non-LBT related stuff on this board, the same thing that other members have also said to Bruton.
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Aye, okay I misunderstood the final line of your post then oogaboo. I'm sorry about that.
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I'm just taking a guess of course. I could have misunderstood what Oogaboo was saying myself.
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I never said Bruton needed to leave this forum. Nor did I antagonize him. I was just asking if he has anything else to post about rather than post multiple LBT threads that may not need so much as an explanation.
No need to get huffy... :neutral
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I don't want to leave either, and I admit I do feel kind of bad about getting on people's nerves here.
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But also, for goodness sake DO WORK on some of the issues addressed Bruton!
I could not help but notice that since the posts addressing precisely that problem you again posted insisting on us answering questions where it is just beyond me (and likely beyond everyone else) why on earth you think we could possibly know.
If you do that it does not come as much of a surprise if people are getting annoyed.
Excuse my misunderstanding oogaboo.
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Alright, so we've established that Ducky suffered worse when Ichy dropped her, Littlefoot suffered worse when Cera beat him up, Cera suffered worse when she smashed her horn, and Petrie suffered worse when he smashed into the ground.
Yet, am I right in thinking this is the worst physical pain Spike has suffered?
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For the record, when I read oogaboo's post I jumped to the same conclusion as Malte. But the confusion has been cleared up, lets not worry about it.
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To be honest, why would you want to see them get stung? It does nothing to help the plot progress. The conversation was about bad luck. Petrie didn't believe in it, and what happens? Ducky and Spike arrive after being stung. That's all that's really needed. I honestly would not have wanted that scene in the movie because I don't think it would have added anything to the plot."
Then why couldn't they injure some useless characters---like say, Dinah and Dana?!! I'm not against them injuring the main cast, but this was not the sequence to do it with, since it had no relevance (unlike Ichy dropping Ducky). So why couldn't they injure useless (and hateful) characters?
And p.s. Ducky fell on her back, which would only knock the wind out of her and make her go unconcious, but not cause her any sever pain, unlike if she fell facefirst, and Spike had never been injured before now (he was fine in the rockslide in 2)
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Most times, when someone falls on their back, they hit the back of their head. That's the worst part of the head that can take a blow, worse than the temples, and potentially fatal. The back of the head holds the cerebellum, the portion of the brain responsible for vital functions including the nervous system. How could that not possibly be severe?
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Well, a face-first would be worse, but I guess what happened in 4 would have hurt more then the bee stings she suffered in 6...so really, I guess you could say when she comes back from being stung in 6 that, "she's suffered worse physical pain" (corrections, if this is wrong, are much appreciated)
No one can honestly believe that Littlefoot and Cera didn't get hurt during their fight.
Compared to the injuries Ducky and Spike suffered in 6? That's nothing!
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To be honest, why would you want to see them get stung? It does nothing to help the plot progress. The conversation was about bad luck. Petrie didn't believe in it, and what happens? Ducky and Spike arrive after being stung. That's all that's really needed. I honestly would not have wanted that scene in the movie because I don't think it would have added anything to the plot."
If it was so unimportant they could give it to unimportant characters whom we wouldn't care if they got hurt. But as it is, it's Spike and Ducky! If they're gonna hurt them just for the sake of making a point, at least show it to us! It was Spike's first time being seriously injured, and while Ducky's fall in 4 may have caused her more physical harm, it probably hurt less.
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I once screwed up a dive off a diving board and hit the water in a similar way Ducky did in LBT IV. That felt like an entire swarm of bees, and she probably fell from a greater height than I did. Compared to one bee sting, an entire swarm is rather intense :p.
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On your back or facedown? There's a huge difference. And Ducky did get stung by a whole swarm of bees in 6.
And just to note one more time, it was the first time Spike had ever gotten hurt and to date the last.
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I always felt more bad for Ducky when Mrs. Maia (or whatever that dinosaurs name was) tossed her away. Not when she got stung by bees.
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Honestly, I never really viewed Ms. Maia being evil for tossing Ducky away. Yeah it wasn't nice, but I still can't understand why people judge her as being some heartless dino all because of that. She just woke up and was likely in a grumpy mood. My sister can be nasty when she just wakes up, but she isn't a bad person.
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Can we stay on topic? As I said before, since she didn't fall facedown it wouldn't have hurt as bad as if she had. It caused her more physical harm, but the bee stings probably hurt more.
And it was Spike's first injury.
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Can we stay on topic?
That was unnecessary and a bit rude. Topics branch off like that all the time.
And Ducky did get stung by a whole swarm of bees in 6.
It is incredibly unlikely that they stuck their face and tail in a bee hive. The main reason being the colony would have reacted the way they did when Petrie fell in one; they would have swarmed. The most credible outcome of disturbing a bee colony would be stings and/or bites all over the body, not on just one region. I have made the mistake of disturbing a bee hive and while the stings hurt, I have to say, it's not as bad as falling on your back from a height. I've bruised bones from that. The lasting effects of bruised bones is definetly worse than those of bee stings. I think you fail to realise that hitting the water without breaking the surface is like falling on concrete. Water has a surface that holds well against weight that is less concentrated. meaning it's flat. Also, you have more nerves on your back side. More nerves=more pain.
Of course, now we bring the ferocity of the bees. I've encountered bees that bite and sting during attack. The additional weaponry will increase the intensity of the pain felt, no doubt. This was not the case of Ducky and Spike who had trivial and rather unlikely injuries. Case in point, they should have suffered more than a bandaged beak and tail.
By the way, you have more nerves on your back. That is where the spinal cord is. One more thing: the force needed to knock someone unconscious will cause them great pain when they come to. Not only is the pain intense, but it lingers longer than bee stings. Have you ever been knocked unconscious? Trust me, you feel the pain, just for a second but enough to make you never forget how it felt. To me, a bee sting doesn't compare.
That's the reason I never felt bad for them getting stung unrealistically. ;)
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Alright, but it was Spike's first injury.
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So why does no one feel sorry 4 him?
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Alright, well, I've decided to bring this topic back up, but NOT to re-discuss the re-discussment (I know, not a word, but gimme a break) of the fact that bee stings are qualified as "boo-boos". This time, I'm finally asking if this topic should just be closed once and for all.
I'm asking this because I (and probably many other members here) don't feel this is a topic worth discussing anymore. It just seems too...pointless to talk about who got hurt in LBT 6 and why.
To close out, bee stings are not a serious injury whatsoever.
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Alright, well, I've decided to bring this topic back up, but NOT to re-discuss the re-discussment (I know, not a word, but gimme a break) of the fact that bee stings are qualified as "boo-boos". This time, I'm finally asking if this topic should just be closed once and for all.
I'm asking this because I (and probably many other members here) don't feel this is a topic worth discussing anymore. It just seems too...pointless to talk about who got hurt in LBT 6 and why.
To close out, bee stings are not a serious injury whatsoever.
You are right they aren't, however if someone is allergic to them that will likely be a different story. Now I don't know if dinosaurs could be allergic to bee stings, but it is something to consider.
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I do agree this topic has been uselessly overdiscussed. I'm sure they're over their bee stings now.