The Gang of Five
The Land Before Time => General Land Before Time => Topic started by: Bruton the Iguanodon on February 01, 2012, 03:17:44 AM
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When I watch LBT, I see it's obviously clear Ducky cares about Petrie. She kisses him, she comforts him on not being able to fly, she's the only one who actually cries when he seems to be dead, she runs to him and squeezes him, she goes to comfort him in 7, and so on. But does Petrie feel the same way?
My main argument is from watching 7. As we know, Ducky is kidapped. Shortly afterwards, we see the gang on a hillside deciding what to do while the adults argue, and, at 33:14, we see Spike drawing in the dirt and...crying. I was so shocked on seeing this. Spike never cries. He didn't even cry in the original, in which pretty much the rest of the main cast did (with good reason). It's that sudde moment that makes you go, "Oh my god...he really cares about his 'little' sister! Ohh..." and then he immediately sets off to find her.
Petrie on the other hand is a different story. He just bitches about how "this all my fault!!" and doesn't seem nearly as depressed by Ducky's kidnapping. He's not crying, he didn't seem motivated to find her even. Littlefoot seemed motivated, Spike was defiitely motivated, but all we see with Petrie is a motivated grin between him and Cera, which is great, except...it's his "girlfriend" who's been kidapped.
OK, we get to the cave and find her, and guess who's the first to run to her? Not Petrie, but Spike, while the others just meander over. It's a extremely touching moment. The aforementioned crying scene and this pretty much says Spike loves Ducky more then Petrie. OK, so they hug afterwards, and it's a sort of replacement for the cute moment that Spike stole, not as good but OK. He asks her how she got there, she tells her story (which is too short).
And then Petrie ruins this "next-best" moment by breaking down sobbing.
In the earliest films I'd have to say Petrie was actually my favorite, cause he was less annoying, and if it was the Petrie of the earlier films in 7 I'd be quite mad at Spike for stealing a moment which could have been a really nice hommage to the movie 1 incident in which the rest of the gang thinks Petrie is dead, and Ducky runs to him when he comes back. But by 7 Spike was definitely my favorite, ad Petrie was just "the dookie". He completely deserved that moment, whereas Petrie was...well, more annoyig then usual in this one. Clearly Spike's devotion to Ducky as a brother overpowered the beloved Petrie/Ducky shipping in movie 7, but what do you think?
AAd just for the record, if you look real close when Spike runs to Ducky, you can see just the slightest discernable expression of jelousy on Petrie's face.
j/k
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Well, Spike is Ducky's brother, so naturally he would be more concerned about her. If I had a choice to save one of my siblings or a friend, you bet it will be a sibling first, even though I'd do my best to save both :p.
And who said Petrie and Ducky are an item? Sheesh, you're sounding like one of those hopefuls of a Ducky/Petrie pairing. Can't a boy and a girl just be best friends for Pete's sake? As a tomboy, I had to deal with this crap growing up. I know how Ducky feels :rolleyes.
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Did you even watch LBT 7? Petrie is constantly sobbing about how "this is all my fault" because he feels GUILTY. It IS his fault that Ducky was kidnapped, and he's realizing it throughout the movie. Also, this is the first time he has seen his Uncle in forever, and he idolizes him so it's only natural for him to feel confused about the whole situation. But most of all, he feels guilt that his best friend was taken.
Call me crazy, but I'd say that's showing just about as much care for Ducky as Spike. The only reason why Spike is the first to go after Ducky is because, like CT already mentioned, Spike is her brother. It's only natural that he care deeply about her. The reason why he wasn't like this in the first movie is because Spike wasn't officially adopted into Ducky's family until AFTER they reached the Great Valley.
And seriously, calling Dusky and Petrie is ridiculous. They are best friends and are the closest to each other than the rest of the gang, possibly because of their small sizes. That doesn't mean they have to be an item. Also, they are two different species of dinosaurs. The only reason why Littlefoot and Ali are often paired together is because they are both longnecks, so a relationship between them would make more sense, even though the whole idea of relationships with the younger characters in LBT is ludicrous.
Now I'm gonna take a step back and admit that I'm being entirely hypocritical here, because in my Revenge stories I have Littlefoot and Cera paired together as well as Ali and Shorty. Does it make sense? Absolutely not. I wrote the original story a while ago when I first established those relationships. Also, it's a fanfic, therefore non existent in the actual canon.
Bottom line, Petrie cares for Ducky just as much as Spike does. Whereas Spike shows it in his determination to get her back through brotherly love, Petrie expresses it through guilt and shame.
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If Petrie had cared as much for Ducky he would have been with her dduring the killer bee attack, would have been crying like Spike, and he would have gone off without hesitation, and he would have run to her first, before anyone else.
He did none of those things. He even dampened the "second best" reunion he did get with Ducky. So f**k u, Petrie, and Spike, you have my sincere appreciation.
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Ok, you're getting out of line.
First off, for the love of God, STOP USING THE EDITED VERSION OF F BOMBS because it's just as bad as using the non edited version!
Second, do you understand what it means to feel GUILTY? You normally feel GUILTY when something happens that was YOUR FAULT. What happened in 7? Ducky was kidnapped because Petrie told Pterano where the Stone of Cold Fire was, then lashed out at his friends when they told him about the kind of flyer Pterano was which caused Ducky to want to go apologize in the night which in the end caused her to overhear the flyers' conversation. In the end. IT'S HIS FAULT AND THEREFORE HE FEELS GUILTY, THEREFORE HE CARES ABOUT DUCKY!
he would have been with her dduring the killer bee attack
Says who? It happened off screen. He was more than likely at his nest with his mother and siblings when it happened. Just because he's Ducky's friend doesn't mean he goes EVERYWHERE with her. And don't bring up the "the two of them are an item" thing because THEY AREN'T.
would have been crying like Spike
So by that logic anybody that doesn't cry doesn't care? Littlefoot, Cera and Spike weren't crying when Petrie supposively died at the end of the first movie. Does that mean they didn't care? I don't understand how you can even say that Petrie didn't care about Ducky because he didn't cry. Plus, SPIKE IS DUCKY'S BROTHER! It is natural for him to cry that his sibling was taken hostage!
and he would have gone off without hesitation
When has Petrie ever been the one to initiate ANY type of adventure or journey in the franchise. HE DOESN'T BECAUSE IT IS NOT IN HIS CHARACTER! He is not brave like any of the others, and that is part of his charm. Littlefoot always starts the journeys because he is the leader of the group. In this case, Spike goes off first because DUCKY IS HIS SISTER!
and he would have run to her first, before anyone else
Wrong. Spike would go to her first when they meet up in the cave. Why? BECAUSE HE IS HER BROTHER! IT MAKES SENSE! Petrie is the last to go to her because HE FEELS GUILTY ABOUT HER KIDNAPPING! IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE!
So next time, put more thought into your posts before you post them and back off of bashing Petrie the way you are right now, because it's not tolerated here.
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Hey! DON'T...........BASH...............PETRIE! He's good and he cares about Ducky. LBTFan13 made 4 very good points there..
-Even though Petrie can't go everywhere with Ducky ALL of the time.. and of course Petrie isn't the bravest of the five. "Brave" isn't part of his charm.
(and I've known for a long time that Petrie DOES care about Ducky.)
Why did you have to bash him.. and drop the "F" bombs for? :( That was very unnecessary.
You sure have been very hard on Petrie and Pterano in your posts about them. Why do you have to be so hard on them? It's ok not to like Petrie and Pterano, but you don't have to go and write such rough and mean posts about them.
I wouldn't go and write a post and swear/drop "F" bombs about Spike, even though he isn't my favorite character. Why do you go write mean posts about Petrie and Pterano even though they're not your favorite LBT characters? :( I don't know why you do that, but please don't swear or say any nasty or mean stuff about Petrie and Pterano anymore, ok?
Petrie is a very good and caring little pteranodon. You really didn't need to go and bash him and drop "F" bombs/swear about him though. That was uncalled for and was very unnecessary.
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First off, for the love of God, STOP USING THE EDITED VERSION OF F BOMBS because it's just as bad as using the non edited version!
:exactly Bruton, this is exactly the kind of stuff (among other) we want you to learn about basic social interaction. Apparently the recent suspension did not bring home the point. :bang
We are not into censorship on this board which is why we are not going after every case when someone in the most dire distress is using such an F bomb (provided it is not aimed at other members), but you are using it all the time. Think about what you write before you post it or otherwise more severe sanctions than a short time suspension need to be imposed much as we hate to do that. Don't apologize! Just stop doing that kind of thing! :anger
As for crying, some people are "built closer to the water's edge" (crying easier than others). Moreover Petrie was under pressure not only by the abduction of Ducky and the guilt he felt for it, but also by the fact that his adored uncle whom he had defended before had done it.
I totally agree with Anna about Ducky and Petrie being very good friends, but not an item (LBT 2, 10 and 11 all imply that they are too young to have any clue about love relationships) and before you bring up Ducky's enthusiastic kiss in the original movie as an argument, you should notice that Spike is licking (his equivalent to a kiss I suppose) Littlefoot on several ocassions without this making them an item.
You are still the only one who blows the bees in LBT 6 so much out of proportion as to refer to them as "killer bees" and he happened not to be arround when she got stung a bit (which did not result in post traumatic stress disorder, lasting damage or anything else). Deducting his not caring about her is just simply ridiculous!
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By that logic you just applied, Bruton, then it would make sense for me to make this statement: Spike and Ducky didn't care about each other in LBT8. Why? Because Spike refused to stay in the Great Valley with Ducky, and Ducky refused to go with Spike when he left the Great Valley. Oh sure she did go after him later, but if she really cared, she would have left right away.
See how ridiculous that argument is? It's silly of me, or anyone, to say that Ducky and Spike didn't care that much about each other all because of one detail. And your arguments for why Petrie isn't as "devoted to Ducky" as Spike don't hold make any more sense than that.
Just because they are good friends doesn't mean he has to be everywhere with her and feel the same emotions as she does. Petrie is as devoted to Ducky as Spike is, but he's not her brother; he's not going to follow her around like some kind of crazed stalker.
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You know Bruton using curse words that are clearly unnecessary in a discussion degrades the statement your trying to make and yourself. Other then that I really don't have to say anything else cause everyone here basically answered your question.
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I do like PEtrie; heck in the earliest films he was my favorite. But he got really annoying as they went along; I still like him but not as muhc. And he was a real ***hole in 7...it is his fault, he doesn'tdeserve that reunion.
Edit: I feel terrible about saying all this. I just really love Petrie and thought his guilt and shame was unnecesary.
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^ Now with you totally ignoring everyone and continuing to use harsh language while lacking any comprehensible need for the expression of dire distress the matter is handed to the staff room since it looks like you are either not capable of understanding what everyone is telling you or else simply out to provoke people! Staff action is necessary either way for the sake of the forum.
I just wish you wouldn't act like that :bang
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Ok, now you're making me angry.
STOP WITH THE CURSING! IT'S NOT OKAY, IT DOESN'T MAKE YOU SOUND COOL, IT DEGRADES ANY POINT YOU TRY TO MAKE, AND IT IS NOT TOLERATED HERE ON GOF! How many times do we have to tell you this in order to get it through to you? And don't even think about posting "I'm sorry" because clearly you have shown that you are not since you continue to do exactly the opposite of what we tell you not to do!
Seriously, do you even think before posting, or do you enjoy making pointless topics and remarks just to annoy the people on this forum. I am trying to help you out here but you continue to ignore EVERY SINGLE piece of advice I and everybody else here has given you!
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I bet your believing that hate post I wrote about him a couple weeks ago, huh? :anger
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Hate posts by nobody on the GOF are accepted, encouraged or vindicated. Steps will be taken but this is not a free ticket for agressions to be vented.
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Bruton, enough with the cursing. Is there any reason for it? You've been warned in the past about it, and yet you continue to do it. If you really wish to still come here, then knock it off. Cursing so much is not welcome here on GOF.
I recommend you actually listen and take into account what people are saying. The world does not revolve around you. Your words are not the only ones that matter. Listen to what people have to say and acknowledge it, and stop antagonizing people.
Banning people is not something this board enjoys doing, but if you continue behaving this way despite warnings, I'm afraid it will come to that. It's your choice.
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Bruton, I don't want to see you go. But there are norms that must be respected, otherwise the forum would descend into chaos and then into oblivion. So, please behave. Please :(
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If something like this happened on the wiki I'm an admin on you'd be blocked for 10 years automatically, no questions asked. That right there is inexcusable to continue cursing when everyone else warned you several times to stop.
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I agree with what everyone else is saying here, Bruton. Cursing is not something that is tolerated here on the board. Heck, I swear a lot in real life, but I know when the time is right and when the time is wrong. In this case, it's wrong. Even if it's censored, we still know what it means, and we still know exactly what you were trying to say. Please, just knock it off.
Honestly, I think Spike would be a bit more devoted to Ducky than Petrie. Think about it. SPIKE IS DUCKY'S BROTHER. Why would he not be devoted to her a bit more than the others?
Again, please, if you don't want to be kicked off the board, stop what you're doing and shape up. I don't mean to sound rude, and I'm incredibly sorry if what I said is taken offensive in anyway. I genuinly don't want to see you go, and I only care about your well-being, but if you continue to act like this, there is nothing more I can do to help you.
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I agree it’s because they’re siblings, even if not by blood, but I think it goes farther as well. Ducky was the first thing he ever saw in this world. I know Ducky is not a thing, but that word is much broader than simply saying she was the first dinosaur he had ever seen. When Spike opened his eyes, for a moment, she was his entire world; she was all he knew. She saved him. Had she not looked about after Cera knocked her away, Spike would either be dead right now or with another herd, possibly a nice one, maybe a cruel one. I’ve wondered what Rooter would have done had he found the egg, but I digress. Ducky is everything to him now in an emotional sense, I feel, because a time came when she was everything to him in a literal sense. If you were alone in a nest, unhatched, would you not cling to the first piece of life you saw, especially if she gave you your life (in a sense, she did, in a stronger sense, she might have). Every day, he thanks her for giving him the life he has now by giving her his legs, his strength. Perhaps he’ll do so for all time to express his eternal gratitude. (I can see an adult swimmer atop an adult spiketail, but I digress.) Many times the gang was in danger, but Ducky was the only one he ever called out to with his own voice. They share a special connection that can be loosened but not broken. They’re family, more so than with the other four members of the gang of seven, so one can expect them to have a special bond shared with no other.
As for the swearing issue, you’re sort of biting at the gatekeeper. The high council of this forum set language rules here: http://gangoffive.net/index.php?showtopic=356 (http://gangoffive.net/index.php?showtopic=356). They could have let you out a long time ago, so I’d try being grateful at their patience and thanking them for their charitable tolerance of only minor interventions up to this point. You’re being asked the easiest thing to do in the world: not to do something. In other words, in this matter, to do nothing. Less finger pushing, less wear on your keyboard, less proofreading, less everything. Everyone has difficulty doing something, but no one has a problem with doing nothing. Thinking of cursing? Simply do nothing at all, easy as that. So just type less, or rather, don’t take the extra effort to add words that as far as I know, no one here enjoys, and we’re left with a dedicated LBT fan who is energetic and helps to keep this forum flowing regularly. Thank you for the thought-provoking thread.
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OK, I'm sorry. I'll knock it off. I really will.
(Cue Bryan Adams music)
PLEASE FORGIVE ME...
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(Cue record scratch)
stop apologizing and start acting right!
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I agree with everyone else. What the tail is up with the bashing? Seriously! Can't you just say you're not a big fan of them? Or you don't like them? Seriously, this is getting annoying.
You've said you would improve your attitude around here, but you're not. Questioning my captions over and over is not what I'm talking about, even though that's wrong too.
Seriously, I hate to say it, but you really need to learn to analyze better.
And Vonbob's right. If you want others to forgive you, you have to correct your actions. You keep apologizing but it seems that you don't really mean it.
Seriously, I don't wanna see you get kicked off either.
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You don't understand Bruton.
It's VERY EASY for anybody to say "I'm sorry, I won't do it again." Heck, I say it all the time when I do something wrong. The only difference is I MEAN IT and I make sure never to make the same mistake again.
You on the other hand continue to apologize and then you do the EXACT OPPOSITE of what you say you will do. It's hard for anybody to think you're apologies are sincere if you continuously fail to change your attitude.
If you are really sorry, then act like you are. Stop with the cursing. Put more thought into your posts. Stop bashing other people's opinions or characters that people like. Act like you want to be a member of GOF and not a troll.
Anyway, Friendly Sharptooth brings up another good point about how Ducky is the first dinosaur he sees when he hatches, so it makes sense he has that particular bond towards her.
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Okay, I mean it this time.
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I promise to stop dropping f-bombs, or a-bombs, or anything of the sort.
Really, Petrie did not deserve to cry---Spike did. Petrie did not deserve the touching reunion with Ducky---Spike did. And to boot, at this point Petrie had completely lost my respect for him as favorite character---a respect that, you guessed it, had transpired to Spike.
Funny how it all worked out, huh? I mean, if I'd just seen movie 1 ad no others and someone asked who my faovirte member of the gang was, I'd no doubt say Petrie. But no, it's Spike.
Maybe it's the result of looking at Spike (and Ducky, admittedly) with more respect after the infamous movie 6 incident with the bees. I mean, 6 was 7's precedessor. But either way, Spike is now officially my favorite, and has just been growing higher on that status throughout the later LBT movies, while my like of Petrie has by contrast decreased (with 7 and "Imaginary Friends"), or just dulled, since after 6 he simply didn't feel interesting anymore.
EDIT: Hey guys, I'm sorry about this whole fiasco. I love Petrie and I didn't truly mean what I said about him. I was just not doing so great.
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You're gonna have do much more than say that, Bruton. Anyone can just say they'll do something.
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Alright, I'll try.
I'm not saying this to offend Petrie. I still adore him---I used to love him in the earlier films, and still do, but not as much, as I felt his voice got too whiny.
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But----hold on a second, are you guys saying Spike remembers his own birth?!
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Well let's hope that this time you do mean it.
Is it really that impossible for Spike to remember the day he hatched? I would think that coming out of his egg and seeing Ducky for the first time would really stick with him all this time.
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Voices are the first thing we learn to recognize before we begin to memorize faces. More then likely it was Ducky's voice he was drawn to before the source.
Honestly, you're being way too hard on Petrie, even going so far as to bash him and throw the F-bomb at him. He may not be my favorite character, but I would'nt speak about him in the manner you have done.
Something I'm really questioning is, are you really a fan of the series? All I ever see you post it seems are negative things about the series and even the characters. Calling Littlefoot and Ducky dumb, using the F-bomb toward Petrie, saying Cera basically has no right to feel negativity towards her father's new marriage, saying Spike is weird for his growth spurt at birth...really? It seems you don't even care for the main cast :rolleyes.
And once again, like others have said, stop blowing the bee stings out of control. It is not "infamous". Pearl Harbor was infamous. We're talking about a stinkin' bee sting here for Pete's sake! Compared to much of the other mishaps they've been dealt, a bee sting is nothing.
As the others have said, apology and posting a song title won't gain you any favor until you act upon your word. Not only must you talk the talk, but you must also walk the walk if you want to be seen as credible.
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As a reply to CT's post...Eeeyup.
And what makes you think Petrie doesn't care about Ducky? I think you need to watch the movies again.
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Not to take sides or anything, but can we cancel the echo in here. As much as I believe it's necessary to assess the situation, I'm beginning to find it a little unfair how everyone is expressing their grievances towards Bruton.
Yes, I myself have observed his actions and his repeated violations. So I understand where you're coming from, but I also sense some hostility from the other members. Many of them as a matter of fact. Can't we minimize it just a little?
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Oh no! I'm not trying to say that I hate him for his actions. Of course not! It's very unlike me to hate someone. And I'm one of the most forgiving people you'll know!
I don't know about everyone else, but I'm just trying to get him to see the error of his ways. I'm not trying to be hateful, I'm just pointing out his mistakes, and so is everyone else...I think.
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Not to take sides or anything, but can we cancel the echo in here. As much as I believe it's necessary to assess the situation, I'm beginning to find it a little unfair how everyone is expressing their grievances towards Bruton.
Yes, I myself have observed his actions and his repeated violations. So I understand where you're coming from, but I also sense some hostility from the other members. Many of them as a matter of fact. Can't we minimize it just a little?
Well I never saw this coming when it comes to hostility. I'm kind of surprised by all of it. I've been devoted most of my time to the wiki and haven't paid much attention to what's happened here until I read some comments. I was dumbfounded afterward.
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I don't believe it's possible for me to hate anyone, and Bruton is no exception. I, too, was just trying to point out his behavior to him and not crucify him. Some of us have had these discussions recently in the AM Section under his topic. None of my posting has been in any way, shape, or form meant to harm or bash Bruton.
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This is something I sometimes have a problem with. When I feel strongly about something, I sometimes exaggerate that emotion a bit too far. It doesn't happen a lot, but there are a few occasions.
I want it to be known that I had no intention of showing hatred towards Bruton. Like others, I was trying to show him that his actions were not being received well by others and what could be done to change it, but I may have come off as hateful, and if I did I apologize. I am not the type of person to hold grudges or stay angry at somebody for long, and I don't want to start doing that ever, especially not here.
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Bruton has a week to think about it now and I told him again exactly what the problems were.
I want to stress again that I really appreciate his input in general a lot which is why I hate the need to impose any sanctions. The frustration some of his posts caused is rather understandeable though and the staff could not ignore it without failing to do its job.
Bruton enjoys the same protection of bashing as every other member on the GOF does. I don't think anyone lowered him or herself to any personal attacks, but I want to say that I appreciate your input Truttle. I'm sure it takes courage to speak up for moderation against the majority even in case of a usually well behaved majority as can be found on the GOF. Thank you :)
I very much hope that the problems will no longer occur in the future.
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"I don't think anyone lowered him or herself to any personal attacks, but I want to say that I appreciate your input Truttle. I'm sure it takes courage to speak up for moderation against the majority even in case of a usually well behaved majority as can be found on the GOF."
I don't follow you. You ackowledged we were not inflicting personal attacks, yet at the same time you're appreciative that someone spoke against us? I thought opposition should only rise against harm. You're glad someone is discouraging people from trying to be helpful? Again, you acknowledged there were no personal attacks, so on what grounds do you support your approval of us being discouraged from what we were saying?
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I'm not sure if he's saying he's glad Truttle spoke against the majority. I think he was basically just saying it takes courage to do that, regardless if the majority is right, wrong, or neither.
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I think he was thanking Truttle for trying to stop the posts towards Bruton. He realized the situation was starting to get out of hand and he decided to step in and try to mitigate it, which does take great courage to do.
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Nobody here did attack in any way that would be a violation of the board rules. That's one of the things I said. When everyone is agreeing about the criticism of somebody there is a certain risk however that things might get out of control in case people were trying to outdo each other with the criticism. This did not happen here, but it can and did happen in the past.
Truttle spoke up against this "echoing" and in any case I believe it takes some courage to speak up against such an echo and that's what I think deserves recognition.
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I'm really sorry about this all...I was out of line. I'm back now, and I'm gonna make sure I don't do that again.
Something I'm really questioning is, are you really a fan of the series? All I ever see you post it seems are negative things about the series and even the characters. Calling Littlefoot and Ducky dumb, using the F-bomb toward Petrie, saying Cera basically has no right to feel negativity towards her father's new marriage, saying Spike is weird for his growth spurt at birth...really? It seems you don't even care for the main cast .
I am a fan of the series, I just have watched it so much it's discussing it that's more fun now. Ad I do like the main cast. I was out of line about what I said about Petrie---I was upset he wasn't as good of a "boyfriend" to Ducky as Spike is a brother to her, which was crazy.
I don't really think Ducky and Littlefoot are dumb---I just pointed out one incident in which Littlefoot seemed clueless when there was a solution at hand.
I do think Cera could have been nicer to Tria, but admitedly I, like her, was accoustomed to the wa things had been---with just her and her dad. This change occured even later in the series then Littlefoot's dad coming into the picture, giving the viewer even more time to get accoustomed to it, making it an even bigger change. And I, like Cera, hate change. But I do like Tria, so can't you see where this is coming from?
And what I said about Spike? Well, I just stated what I thought were the facts. It was weird what happened to him---outside of movie 7, this is the only strange, supernatural occurence in the series, to my knowledge. OK, other then Littlefoot occasionally hearing the voice of his mom, but like MarzGurlm I'm ok with that---I mea, it didn't feel wrong or seriously weird or anything, like this did!
But I really do like the main cast, and a few things I say about them shouldn't reflect how I think about them as a whole.
Again, I want to apologize about how I acted earlier. I promise I'll do better in the future.
Anyways, it sure is great to be back on here! :smile
Is it really that impossible for Spike to remember the day he hatched? I would think that coming out of his egg and seeing Ducky for the first time would really stick with him all this time.
Well, now that you tell me it's entirely possible, I willingly accept this theory. I can just imagine how it would go if I asked Spike:
"Really? After all this time?"
Spike (mumbled, barely conprehensible): "Always."
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"Really? After all this time?"
Spike (mumbled, barely conprehensible): "Always."
Is it coincidence or may this dialogue by any chance be inspired by a dialogue between Dumbledore and Snape in the final Harry Potter book?
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You guessed right! ;)
I wondered if anyone here would get the reference. It's one of my favorite exchanges in the series!
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Oh, and if you want proof that I like the main cast, Canceria Tiger, here's a quote from a previous post I wrote:
If I lived in the LBT world I'd feed myself to the sharpteeth if it would save the kids from getting eaten by them. Just because I don't like Pterano doesn't mean I agree with some things he says (I put a lot of emphasis on "some".)
Is that good enough for ya? :smile
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No? :unsure:
Also, I'm sure what the answer is, but just thought I'd ask...did Spike feel guilty too about Ducky's kidnapping, for not being a protective brother or letting her go off like that?
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Anyone?
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No, I don't think so. As probably the most mentally "ballanced" of the characters I don't believe Spike to be likely to blame himself for something that was not his fault.
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So he wasn't crying in shame or anything?
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Not by my interpretation at least.
It is not spelled out so everyone is welcome to make an own interpretation, but personally I consider it rather unlikely. Spike is a simple character in the most positive sense of the word I believe. I believe (and a believe based on many movie scenes it is) him to be a character with a high ability to take joy from simple things in life which many may take for granted. I do not think his simplicity would make it likely for him to construct complex "what if scenarious" that would permit him to end up blaming himself in a somewhat paranoic manner. Even for someone with a more complex way of thinking it would be an odd construction if the individual was blaiming him or herself if he or she had acted just like Spike. They (Spike and Ducky) were right in the peaceful Great Valley, they were utterly clueless about Pterano and his friends and it is a far call from not liking anyone to seehing him as a pottential kidnapper (the much the more as the "reason" for that kidnapping was rather questionable.
I really don't see why Spike should, and even if he was more paranoid, would blame himself. His sadness is well and sufficiently explained by his worries about Ducky. No self-blaming needs to be included to account for it I think.
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Hmm...well would you consider it Littlefoot's fault for telling Petrie where the stone was or Cera's for setting Petrie off on the rant that led Ducky to get kidnapped? Or is it all solely Petrie's fault? :unsure:
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To put it in Rooters words I think this was: "Nobody's fault". Unless my memory cheats me Littlefoot's grandparents say something to the same effect to Cera's father. Not only did they not know about Pterano's background, but I feel even the awareness of his being a powerhungry but not very competent herd leader would not have put them in a position to foresee his actions. The dealing out of blame seems to be rather unnecessary to me in this case.
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Does someone need to be blamed? Does someone need to feel guilty about what they did? No, not really. That's something some of us seem obsessed with. We worry too much about pointing fingers at someone when something goes wrong.
Case in point, look at how many people are blaming Obama for our country's recent problems. Look at how many people blame Bush over the deep debt we are currently in. Look at how some people blame vaccines for causing autism. And the list goes on.
Of course, in some cultures, it's different. In one culture, Japan I believe, there's less of a focus on blame. If someone breaks a bed, instead of saying "He did it", they just say "The bed broke". Why? I don't know, other than Japan is less focused on needing a "bad guy" and more interested in just fixing a problem as it occurs. Perhaps this mindset reduces unnecessary arguing over whose fault it was or not.
In LBT7, blame is not really needed to explain what happened. Ducky wandered in the wrong place at the wrong time and got captured. Not one of her friends or the grownups need to be blamed for this. It's something that just happened, and instead of blaming each other, they should focus on action, on going after Ducky and get her back.
And that's the idea Spike seemed to have. He knew his adopted sister was in danger, and he wasn't going to stand idly by and listen to the grownups argue or listen to his friends ponder what to do or blame each other (I think Cera blamed Petrie during this scene). He was going to take action and leave to find Ducky because he knew that in this case, action is more important than blame or guilt.
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So LBTFan13 in his first post, as well as Petrie, were wrong? It's not Petrie's fault?
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I disagree with the view that Spike was likely to have a strong sense of guilt and self-blaming about what has happened. I consider my view likely and plausible on the basis of what I have seen of Spike in the LBT movies and on the basis of the circumstances of the events of LBT 7.
I am not saying that any other view was therefore wrong and am not going to take any kind of "there can be only one" kind of attitute on a matter that in the end remains a matter of opinion and interpretation.
But to convince me of a view that Spike was feeling guilty and blaming himself I would need arguments in favor of such a view which I considered better than the impressions that I got and that led me to my view.
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But what I was asking was, when he said:
Did you even watch LBT 7? Petrie is constantly sobbing about how "this is all my fault" because he feels GUILTY. It IS his fault that Ducky was kidnapped, and he's realizing it throughout the movie. Also, this is the first time he has seen his Uncle in forever, and he idolizes him so it's only natural for him to feel confused about the whole situation. But most of all, he feels guilt that his best friend was taken.
He says it is PEtrie's fault but Malte and Darkhoumon say no.
And Cancerian Tiger, I'm a little worried you still think I hate the main cast. Were the points I made not convincing enough? :unsure:
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Something I'm really questioning is, are you really a fan of the series? All I ever see you post it seems are negative things about the series and even the characters. Calling Littlefoot and Ducky dumb, using the F-bomb toward Petrie, saying Cera basically has no right to feel negativity towards her father's new marriage, saying Spike is weird for his growth spurt at birth...really? It seems you don't even care for the main cast .
You still haven't answered me about this! I'm getting really worried you still think I hate the main cast! :unsure:
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You still haven't answered and I'm seriously worried you still hate the main cast. I gave my reasons why I said that stuff, I've tried to convince you I love the main cast, and yet you still haven't responded. If you found what I said, and my supporting points, inadequate, at least respond to say why. All I know is I'm trying to convince you that I love the gang, from saying why I said those so called "hating" words about the gang to brining up previous posts in which I've proved I love them, yet I can't seem able to convince you. :( What is it gonna take for me to convince you? I'll really do pretty much anything at this point!
The reason why he wasn't like this in the first movie is because Spike wasn't officially adopted into Ducky's family until AFTER they reached the Great Valley.
Which is, in a way, why I kinda almost liked the gang more in the first movie (besides in the last 2 minutes of it in which Spike gets adopted) because they were all just friends---not family in any way, and I think that way they make a better group.
Ah well, those days are gone. :cry
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Bruton, you need to calm down. People aren't gonna be on the board every minute of every day. We all have our real lives to take care of. If nobody answers, then you have to be patient. They will answer eventually, but not if you continue to badger people for a response, because then it becomes a chore for people to do so.
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Still, is it really all that out of question for Petrie to have been crying like Spike, and being the first one to run up to Ducky when they find her?
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Jeez, I haven't watched seven for a long time. It's in the VCR, I should watch it again...but that's beside the point.
It's not out of the question at all, they're buddies, but so are all of the gang. Spike's just a little bit closer, and feels more of a connection to Ducky. As said before, he's her "brother". Petrie probably felt the same way, but showed it differently. I think he was the (correct me if I'm wrong) second one to run up to Ducky once they found her. He was also the first one to shout, "Ducky!" when they found her in the cave. But, eh, who knows? The only way we'll really ever know is if we ask the people who worked on this themselves. And that's probably not going to happen anytime soon.
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But Spike was crying, unless my eyesight is deceiving me, and he goes out to find Ducky first, and he runs up to Ducky first. If Petrie cared that much about her, wouldn't he do those things?
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I've always felt that Spike and Ducky have the strongest bond of all the Gang. Ducky and Spike are together 99% of the time, all the time. They know absolutely everything about each other. I would have said that Spike's love for Ducky is unconditional, if it weren't for his departure in Big Freeze. But it might be simply Spike's overeagerness to spend time with his own species, which is understandable given the paucity of resident spiketails in the Valley. So if Petrie shows a strong bond with Ducky, and Spike shows an even stronger one, I don't have a problem with that.
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But Spike was crying, unless my eyesight is deceiving me, and he goes out to find Ducky first, and he runs up to Ducky first. If Petrie cared that much about her, wouldn't he do those things?
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Walk a mile in both their...feet...in the situation. Do allllllll that they had done. I think you'll find the reason why Petrie was so hesitant to approach her and Spike was the first to go to her. Think about Petrie's PERSONALITY and all that had just happened to him. Of COURSE he was going to her last. Not to mention, he probably had to give the bigger ones some hugging space before he went in for his hug =P .
But in the matter of Spike being more devoted to Ducky than Petrie...it's because he sees her as his SISTER. When I first saw the thread, I thought I was reading it wrong. I thought "Why WOULDN'T he be more devoted to Ducky than Petrie"
Ducky may be Petrie's friend, but I'd say that Spike gets first dibs on reunion hugs for her any day. Because she's his sister, the first thing he saw, and he was just able to get there first because he RAN. Though Petrie was flying, he was probably a little slower than the others. You have to get airlift and landing in the right place, not to mention the fact that Littlefoot and Cera were having to give their hugs in the meantime. So it might not just be a matter of the emotion of the situation, but the speed of getting there.
And the way I see it, Spike sort of "imprinted" on Ducky when he hatched, so in his earliest "baby" stages, she was more of a mother than a sister.
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How come Spike was a baby for less then a minute though? :huh:
And you used "imprint"? RU a "Twilight" fan? I sure am! :smile
But wasn't Spike crying whern he was drawing in the dirt? Why wasn't Petrie? Instead he was babbling "this all my fault" and he should've gone up to Ducky 1st and been with her during the bee attack in 6 if he's that devoted to her
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Clearly you've never learned the definition of "imprinting" when used for goslings T_T .
And yes, Spike was crying because he was worried about her. But then he got up and pretty much said "enough is enough". And he was the first one to do it! The others followed suit. And Petrie was being attacked by the bees too, you know. At the point of the bees, it was "every man for himself!".
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Petrie didn't get stung though...least I don't think
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^ I don't think he was stung. He managed to fly away, I think because he looked unharmed to me.
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He still had to fend for himself.
One does not simply help a friend with being chased by bees, especially when you are the same size as said friend. You can help them with predators, but when the threat is smaller than you, you don't have a snowball's chance in heck of helping them until AFTER the chase is over. Like I said before, being chased by bees is an ever man for himself situation.
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he happened not to be arround when she got stung a bit
and so he didn't go through what she did, and hence didn't get hurt as much as her there...although if falling into the ground in 1 and getting snagged by the sharptooth's jaws counts he has been hurt as much as she was...I was just wondering why they avoided having the lightning strike him in 9
Bottom line, Petrie cares for Ducky just as much as Spike does. Whereas Spike shows it in his determination to get her back through brotherly love, Petrie expresses it through guilt and shame.
I was just frustrated that Petrie expressed it this way. What I basically was bothered by was this (and because he didn't run up to her first or cry about her). I know Petrie is better then that; he didn't have to immerse himself in unnecessary shame and guilt.
I feel sorta bad for Petrie for that; and Cera's "you can say that again" sure didn't help.
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Also why was Spike crying? It's not that he didn't already know Ducky had been kidnapped and was fine. Look at him while Grandpa tells about the Pterano incident---he's fine.
So what gives? Why was he suddenly crying? :huh:
And do you guys think Petrie was too hard on himself?
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I always thought Petrie was having mixed feelings.
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Well he was being unnecessarily hard on himself. It wasn't his fault.
Also why was Spike crying? It's not that he didn't already know Ducky had been kidnapped and was fine. Look at him while Grandpa tells about the Pterano incident---he's fine.
So what gives? Why was he suddenly crying?
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Well didn't you think that Spike was attempting to hold it in? Trying to be strong? Didn't you think that he just found he couldn't hold back his tears any longer and started to cry?
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Watch him during the scene I mentioned. He looks fine. Something gives.
As for Petrie, why did he blame himself? He shouldn't have! It wasn't his fault!!
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Ducky and Spike are together 99% of the time, all the time.
I can't say I love this---they are seperate characters, even if they are foster siblings. They can't always be glued together. Ducky's scene with Cera, for example, is one of her more interesting ones because it's one of the few she gets where she's not glued to Spike (I'm talking about the scene in movie 8, just for reference).
Before I go any further, I realize I'm starting to sound like my old self again, which I definitely want to avoid. But I saw that quote, which has bothered me for a while simply because it's the truth. It's not like I want the gang to split up. But the other three, when not hanging oout with their friends, get scenes to themselves. Why shouldn't these two?
Again, I'm sorry if I'm coming across as sounding like my old self. It's simply that I see---that I would like to see, at least---the gang as five seperate individuals, not three individuals and a Zak-and-Wheezie style duo who are together 99% of the time. Even if they are siblings, you don't necessarily hang out with your sibling 99% of the time.
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Something I'm really questioning is, are you really a fan of the series? All I ever see you post it seems are negative things about the series and even the characters. Calling Littlefoot and Ducky dumb, using the F-bomb toward Petrie, saying Cera basically has no right to feel negativity towards her father's new marriage, saying Spike is weird for his growth spurt at birth...really? It seems you don't even care for the main cast
I admit that the more I watch the series, the more I see it for it's flaws. That's why I think it's best to watch/listen to the things we like in moderation.
I'm sorry I called Littlefoot and Ducky dumb. No, I don't think they are. I just think Ducky can be rather naive (I hope I'm using this term right), and made a big deal of one incident where Littlefoot failed to see a solution to a situation at hand.
I don't think Cera has no right to feel negative towards her dad's new marriage---really, that's quite hypocritical, since I personally prefered Topps before Tria and Tricia came into his life. But I also saw Topps' side of it, seeing as Tria nothing short of the threehorn-lady of his dreams. And also, I felt bad for her; I felt Cera was directing way too much of the blame on her, and putting her into the middle of it all.
Petrie...I don't know what was wrong with me. I think I was out of control. Petrie my favorite member of the gang at the moment, and I promise I will never speak ill of him again.
And no, I don't think Spike is weird for his growth spurt. I just thought his growth spurt was weird, cause...well, let's face it, it didn't make sense. But I've learned to accept it and am not going to argue about it any further.
Anyways, I hope that explained enough.
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Something I'm really questioning is, are you really a fan of the series? All I ever see you post it seems are negative things about the series and even the characters. Calling Littlefoot and Ducky dumb, using the F-bomb toward Petrie, saying Cera basically has no right to feel negativity towards her father's new marriage, saying Spike is weird for his growth spurt at birth...really? It seems you don't even care for the main cast :rolleyes.
To answer your question, I mainly became attached to it again out of nostalgia, love for the music and scenery, and, well, nostalgia.
As for your complaint about how I feel towards the cast, I don't hate Petrie, or think that Ducky and Littlefoot are dumb. They just annoyed me a bit.
As for Cera, I don't have a problem with someone who isn't entirely accepting of.their stepparent (i've gone through a similar issue in the past year) but felt Cera in 11 just came across as meanspirited and unsympathetic, hating Tria without any reason other than the fact that it meant her dad actually loved someone else beside her. I feel if the movie showed a scene explaining that Cera felt Tria was going to replace her mom, it would have turned out different. But as far as we know, Cera never even thought about her mom in any of it.
And lastly, the thing with Spike. It IS weird. Why I am the only one who actually finds it weird is a mystery which n four whole years of being on these boards I still can't figure out for the life of me. :confused
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I've always felt that Spike and Ducky have the strongest bond of all the Gang. Ducky and Spike are together 99% of the time, all the time.
Why, just why? That is not right. They are individuals with individual personalities. Cant they be together 98% of the time ,even??
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What's your problem with that?
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What's your problem with that?
With what?
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With whatever in the world it may be that made you write:
Why, just why? That is not right. They are individuals with individual personalities. Cant they be together 98% of the time ,even??
I sincerely don't get what you mean.
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With whatever in the world it may be that made you write:
Why, just why? That is not right. They are individuals with individual personalities. Cant they be together 98% of the time ,even??
I sincerely don't get what you mean.
Did you read what I'd quoted?
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Let me try to clear things up here...
First of all this is a really interesting thread (not counting some of the replies back then...)
First of all, what jansenov said three years ago is quite true... the bond between Ducky and Spike is undoubtedly stronger than the bond between any other characters. And they DO spend a lot of time together. You seldom see Ducky riding on Littlefoot or Cera, do you?
I can see where you're coming from, Bruton, and I do get what problem you have with it. However, I think you might have misinterpreted jansenov's words a little. Surely he didn't mean to say that Ducky and Spike HAVE to do everything together and spent their whole life together and he surely didn't think of Spike and Ducky as dinosaurs without individuality. In fact, Ducky and Spike are very different from each other. It's true that they often share their opinion or rely on the opinion of the other sibling but they're not acting like some sort of synchronised double character or whatever you wanna call that :p It's scenes like the one you mentioned a long time ago in LBT 8 where Ducky does not do things with Spike together but asks Cera for advice on dealing with annoying siblings :smile
Did that clear up things, Bruton?
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Now here's an actual reply to some of the earlier posts of this thread and its original subject of discussion :p
Despite being a supporter of the DuckyxPetrie pairing, I have to say that Spike (at least in the movies and series, fanfictions are a different area :smile ) is more devoted to Ducky than Petrie is. It is true that the bond between Ducky and Petrie is stronger than the bond between any other main characters but the bond between Ducky and Spike is a special case.
As many have stated years ago, Ducky and Spike are siblings and therefore have a very special and strong connection and (brotherly/sisterly) love for each other. Ducky and Petrie on the other hand, are just (very close) friends but that's about it.
My personal take on the scene where the Gang finds Ducky in LBT 7 is as follows:
There are a few reasons why Spike is the first to run to Ducky.
1. He's her brother. As I've discussed above, his love and care of Ducky exceeds the love and care for her of everybody else easily. Look how agitated and sad he was when Ducky was gone? Usually he's never the one to take action first (unless it's about food :lol ) but in LBT 7 he totally is! Besides, did you ever see Spike cry before that? (I know he cried in 11 but so did Ducky and Petrie). Petrie didn't cry for Ducky when she was kidnapped. Yes, he obviously didn't not care about it but he wasn't as downcast as Spike.
However, to be fair, you can see that Petrie really does care a lot about Ducky too. Despite being the scare-dy egg he is, he gathered all his bravery and confronted his uncle and his two evil companions and almost died trying to save Ducky. Just to look at this from the other side...
2. Petrie may have been somewhat hesitant to approach Ducky because of the guilt he felt. After all, it was all his fault that Ducky was captured. Had he not told Pterano of the location of the Stone of Cold Fire (or rather, had he not asked Littlefoot about it :p), Pterano, Rinkus and Sierra wouldn't have been making plans in the middle of the night and Ducky wouldn't have had any reason to be so upset about the argument between Petrie and the Gang that kept her awake and ultimately urged her to take a noctural walk to find Petrie only to bump into said flyers...
I think Petrie was a little worried Ducky would blame him (as unlikely as it is for Ducky to actually go as far as blaming somebody, LBT 8 is probably the only exception :p) and therefore stayed back.
3. Spike was simply faster than Petrie :lol Okay, maybe not...
The scene right before "Good Inside" shows that they are very good friends as well but ultimately, Spike is the one Ducky is closest to ;)
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Thanks. I'm sorry. And I wasn't saying they shouldn't be together! But 99% of the time isn't giving them a break! And yes, I do like to think of them as individuals.
But there was also my frustrations in the previous post, if anyone wants to talk about that.
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Yeah, of course they need a break from each other every now and then. Yet they need each other.
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Yeah. But I also had some questions/frustrations I'd previously mentioned, if you want to talk about them.
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Something I'm really questioning is, are you really a fan of the series? All I ever see you post it seems are negative things about the series and even the characters. Calling Littlefoot and Ducky dumb, using the F-bomb toward Petrie, saying Cera basically has no right to feel negativity towards her father's new marriage, saying Spike is weird for his growth spurt at birth...really? It seems you don't even care for the main cast :rolleyes.
Hey, I have a right to complain about those things, don't I? :confused
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Something I'm really questioning is, are you really a fan of the series? All I ever see you post it seems are negative things about the series and even the characters. Calling Littlefoot and Ducky dumb, using the F-bomb toward Petrie, saying Cera basically has no right to feel negativity towards her father's new marriage, saying Spike is weird for his growth spurt at birth...really? It seems you don't even care for the main cast :rolleyes.
Something I'm wondering is, did you take into consideration why I might feel that way about each of the characters? I've been asking you this for nearly four years and you've never answered.
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For a very long time this thread has just not contained anything of real substance at all and contributions by other members have either been ignored or else seemed to fuel your fury about something where nobody really understands what exactly you are furious about and where you never really laid out where that fury is comming from in a manner that would be understandable for anyone else.
These are the reasons why hardly anyone wants to post here anymore and same as you claim your right to complain about whatever exactly it may be you are complaining about, others are claiming their right to ignore this thread!
This thread has a history of frustration, rule violations (and sanctions for them) and hostility without bringing forth anything positive or a respectful discussion.
Because of that, the admins have decided that either the next post in this thread will bring it back on a constructive track for actual discussion and comprehension or else we are just going to lock it for good!
I really dislike being forced to that kind of admin work on Christmas of all days <_<
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I am so sorry.
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Malte, I'm seriously sorry about this. You're amazing and didn't deserve this. I'm sorry. :neutral
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Bruton, I'm not looking for apologies or kowtows and it is not my intention to intimidate you. I do admit that my own tone was kind of harsh and straight from the shoulder in my last post.
Nonetheless, I'm afraid it is really how many members feel about this thread. It is very unclear what exact point you are trying to make and why you are so agitated about this. You seem to be angry about others not sharing your view and you seem also angry when people don't post in this thread anymore at all, which kind of leaves only the option to others to agree with you to keep you happy even though people may not even fully understand what exactly they are agreeing to (that Petrie should cry more and sooner about Ducky? That Spike should care less about her than Petrie? That Spike does care more about her than Petrie (which is an opinion rather than a fact since care cannot be measured and is not expressed in the same way by different characters)?).
There is just an awful lot of highly emotional declarations but barely any room for discussion in this thread and all this in combination with a great degree of uncertainty what exactly this thread is meant to accomplish at all.
These are things that must end unless the thread is to be closed for good. It must be clear what exactly is to be discussed, it must be clear that discussion (differing views and opinions that is) are possible and will be respected, and that there is no obligation for anyone to participate in this thread if he or she isn't interested in doing so.
If those basic principles of clarity, oppenness for different views, and recognition of voluntary participation are observed this greatly enhances the probability of participation in this thread. If this thread can be brought back onto that track it can remain open while without that I may have to close it down if chances are that it will just further spark tensions and frustration. I'll leave it open for now, but it will be closely monitored by the admins.