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Beyond the Mysterious Beyond => The Arts => Silver Screen => Topic started by: WeirdRaptor on August 20, 2012, 12:39:22 AM
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Yo, after seeing all the stuff concerning "Dr. Whooves" floating around the 'net, I got curious and went onto Netflix to check out Doctor Who. Sadly, only New Who is organized as a single series whereas I have to search out individual episodes of the old show. I've already watched everything The Ninth Doctor had to offer on his tragically short run and I'm halfway through the Tenth Doctor stuff. Does anyone have any specific episodes they think I should check out?
Also, heck with it, how did you become a Who fan?
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I became a dr who fan way way back in either the late 70's or early 80's. The first story I saw was one of Tom Baker's. Episode 2 of the Armageddon Factor. I'm not much into the new show. I've seen the first 2.5 seasons.
As for stories it depends on what you may like. There are some bad stories of the classic era. One thing, they did, since they had such a tiny budget, was to stretch out a story by padding out episodes. Though back then the episodes were shown 1 25 minute episode a week. The early first doctor stories had each episode with separate episode titles.
There are some classic stories, but there are also many stories missing of the first 2 doctors, especially the 2nd one. Though thanks to several fans who used reel to reel there exists all of the sound tracks of the missing stories. Some stories have some episodes or a single one, or with some just clips or what I think are called telepics.
I can try to list what I think most consider classic stories of each doctor if you want. Though some eras have different feels then others. & the first 2 doctors are in black & white. They didn't start doing color till the 3rd doctor onward. Some folks I heard hate black & white and won't watch it so thought I"d mention it.
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Also there are some webcasts that bbci did of the 6, 8th and who at the time was the 9th doctor, till the bbc announced the show would be returning, then he became an alternate 9th doctor. I've not seen that one, I've only seen the 6th and 8th doctor ones, though it's been years since I saw them. There was a 7th one but it's not online anymore It think & I didn't finish watching it since it seemed very weird and such. Though those are in flash animation. The 8th doctor one is based on an unfinished story of the 4th doctor, unfinished due to a strike a bbc.
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Ironically I had never even heard of Dr. Who until I heard about Dr. Whooves online. Still don't know who Dr. Who is. I should check that out some day. :p
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Ironically I had never even heard of Dr. Who until I heard about Dr. Whooves online. Still don't know who Dr. Who is. I should check that out some day. :p
Basically, he's a humanoid alien called a Time Lord, who travels through time and space in a ship resembling a 1950s police phone box, creatively solving the problems of the people he meets, whether it be saving a group of people from a murderous alien, settling a dispute between two species, or thwarting the destruction of a planet. When he does so, he is often intervening in an event that will have important consequences for the timeline, and must unfold in a certain way lest the universe (or a portion thereof, such as our Earth) descend into chaos. The original series lasted for over 25 years, from 1963 to 1989, and the new series (intended as a continuation of the old), began in 2005.
Contrary to popular misconception, the main character's name isn't "Dr. Who"; his real name is unknown, and he simply calls himself "The Doctor". The series title is a reference to the question that is on everyone's minds when he introduces himself. :p He appears human, but his species possesses two hearts, a virtually unlimited lifespan (the Doctor himself is at least 900 years old), and the ability to instantly replace every single cell in their body if they are fatally injured, taking on a completely new form in the process. (This is one of the secrets to the original series' longevity; whenever the actor playing the Doctor decided to leave the show, all the showmakers had to do was hire a new actor and have the previous Doctor "regenerate" into him). His living ship, the TARDIS (Time And Relative Dimension In Space), is meant to disguise itself wherever it goes, but became stuck in the form of a police box when the camouflage mechanism broke while visiting 1950s Britain (The Doctor hasn't fixed it because he likes it that way). Its interior is a pocket dimension, making it much bigger on the inside than its external appearance would suggest.
I discovered the show back when the new series first aired on the Sci-Fi channel back in 2005 or 2006. At the time I had an obsession with watching movies with interesting aliens and monsters in them, and the commercials for Doctor Who looked to provide plenty of those. I soon became hooked, and since then I've watched every episode of the new series, and a handful of the old series' episodes.
Does anyone have any specific episodes they think I should check out?
Because I still haven't seen much of the original series, I don't have a whole lot of episode recommendations, but the Fourth Doctor serial "Genesis of the Daleks" might be a good one to see, as it establishes some important series mythology regarding the origin of the Daleks. Also perhaps "The Time Warrior" with the Third Doctor, which marks the original appearance of one of the Doctor's recurring foes.
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1st Doctor Era (Black and white only): Season 1. I"ll do a general rundown of the episodes of this season.
An Unearthly Child: (4 episodes): I liked the first episode, but not episodes 2-4 of this story. Some dr who fans give episodes 2-4 a separate title such as the tribe of gum, ect, since the first episode is a separate story to episodes 2-4. Also in this era there was, as of yet, no overall story name, each individual episode had it's own title. Also this is the period before the 1st doctor was a hero figure, he is what some call an anti hero, or maybe even villainous to an extent.
The Daleks (7 episodes): Not sure if you like daleks or not. I don't personally, but it seems every other dr who fan but me loves them for some reason. But, overall I liked this story, though some elements of it make no sense. Dalek fans may like this 7 episode story. I didn't mind it overall. Unlike some other long stories it doesn't seem to drag or have to much padding. Though That maybe in part since I don't watch all the episodes all at once in 1 sitting like some do, but 1 dr who episode a day. Overall I'd say an ok to interesting story,even though the daleks are in it.
The Edge of Destruction (2 episodes): not to good, and odd at times, very odd. Though the end of this is the turning point where the doctor becomes the hero type figure most know the 1st doctor to be.
Marco Polo (7 episodes) Totally lost, all 7 episodes are lost. Only some telepics, promotion stills & audio available. I watched a loose cannon reconstruction and didn't like it much. Way to much padding and it drug a lot. Also it is the first of the historical, where no aliens appear, and the only sci-fi element is the tardis, which is not seen much, though more then in other historical. The only aliens that appear are the doctor and his grand daughter Susan.
Keys of Marinus (6 episodes): each episode is mainly stand alone with an overall story arc that ties them together. Overall I liked the story, but as in some dr who stories there are some spots that make no sense or are a bit weak.
The Aztecs (4 episodes): 2nd pure historical. The only sci-fi element is the tardis, seen at the beginning and ending. As in Marco Polo the only aliens seen are the doctor and Susan. Overall I liked it, though it did feel to me to drag, have some padding to stretch it out for 4 episodes.
The Sensorites (6 episodes): could not get past the first few minutes. I remember watching it decades ago, recently, a year or few ago, tried watching it again and still didn't like it.
The Reign of Terror (6 episodes): episodes 4 & 5 are lost. Never saw this but since it is a pure historical I'd guess it does drag and have a lot of padding. I may try watching an episode later on today to see what I think, but in general I don't like the pure historicals much. The last story of season 1.
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Well, Kor, I'm preferring the goofier David Tennant to the more serious Christopher Eccleston, so I guess I'm going to like the goofy Doctors.
So you're pretty much in the same boat I am, huh, Pangaea?
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For a while in the classic series they seemed to alternate goofy and serious doctor. 2 and 4 were goofy. The rest were mainly serious, with some comedy worked in in dialog and such. The 1st wasn't a very nice guy at first. Though he did change. This was Colon Baker's idea, I heard him say. To start off similar like the 1st doctor then grow more likable over time. Though the 1st doctor did not take several seasons, but several stories to change, from what I recall.
Of the 2nd doctor most I've heard some saying Tomb of the Cybermen being among his better ones. Though a lot of his stories are lost, or have 1 episode left.
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The 4th doctor has what I've heard many call classic stories, and I remember liking.
From his first season: I find it easier to instead of thinking season 14 thinking tom baker's 2nd season.
The Ark in Space: a sort of sci-fi horror bit.
The Genesis of the Daleks: shows the origin of the daleks, and the only portrayal of Davros that I liked.
2nd season: Pyramids of Mars: many like this story, & I recall liking it, though the ending is kinda meh to me. The rest of the story I liked better then the ending.
3rd season: The Talons of Weng-Chiang. Shows the doctor in an outfit other then his usual one, and a story with Leela in it. I liked the story overall as I recall.
4th season: Horror of Fang Rock
his 6th season: City of Death during the era of the 2nd Romana and K-9. I remember liking the story overall.
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Thank you, Kor! I'll be on the lookout for these episodes.
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I watch a lot of the old episodes on Dailymotion, and this guy is generally my go-to http://www.dailymotion.com/tardismedia#video=xhxpah (http://www.dailymotion.com/tardismedia#video=xhxpah) I just that it only goes 4-11
She/He even has the remakes of the first two Dalek plots with Christopher Walken and a few parodies...one of which has Rowen Atkinson!
And I personally recommend you watch the Sensorites. It was an pretty cool episode, and features what just happens when a society based completely on the basis of trust gets shaken up a little by strangers from another world and time that they don't know are trustworthy or not. Sounds silly, but it really wasn't.
And Doctor Whooves got me into this too =P
Also, considering the Doctor's age, he's definitely not 900. He was 900 in the Sylvester McCoy era, and many, many, many years have passed for him since then. He'd probably be, say 1300 or something. And for a Time Lord, that's YOUNG! So ignore his whining about "being so old" in the new series.
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Also, considering the Doctor's age, he's definitely not 900. He was 900 in the Sylvester McCoy era, and many, many, many years have passed for him since then. He'd probably be, say 1300 or something. And for a Time Lord, that's YOUNG! So ignore his whining about "being so old" in the new series.
Rule #1: The Doctor lies. It's safe to assume that applies to his age. :p
On another subject, I wonder how many new Doctor Who fans have been propagated by that one random background character from My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic. :lol
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Many, I'm sure.
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But at least for me, that rule was only established once by River only very recently. So I personally don't buy it. When it comes to his age though, I think he would just keep it ambiguous like he keeps his name ambiguous. Or at least leaves it open that he's way, way, way, WAY older than 900.
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I would guess he is vague, maybe sensitive so he keeps it at about 900.
Another 2nd doctor story I heard good things about is The Invasion, but I've not seen that one before. It has 2 episodes missing, but they have flash animated it. I think it's episodes 1 & 4 that are flash animated. It has a total of 8 episodes.
I have the dvd and will watch it when I get to it. I have rewatched some 1st doctor stories but I stopped and am waiting till Planet of Giants comes out on dvd before I continue.
I wonder if they will do that with some other stories that are missing 1 or 2 episodes like The Tenth Planet, The Ice Warriors, and a few others.
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I've heard good things about The Tenth Planet. For one thing, the Cybermen in those episodes are creepy as hell. I don't like the later Cybermen designs.
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I've seen the Tenth Planet and liked it. They are a bit creepy indeed.
One example of a bit of dialog, not sure exactly who spoke or the exact dialog, I think it may have been Polly, but it went something like:
Polly: "But we are cold and hungry."
Cyberman: "You will not know cold nor hunger when you are like us."
Sadly the final episode is lost, but the bbc did a reconstruction I think. The doctor's regeneration for the 1st time was caught, if I remember right, by a fan using a hand camera that they had back then, from 2 different sources I think. I also heard it is from a clip from Blue Peter, not sure which is true.
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Indeed. To me, the Cybermen in their introductory episode look the most like what their concept is supposed to be: man conjoined with robotic. They're covered in surgical cloth and they have all kinds of metal and wiring sticking out of them. The effect is just uncanny valley in its purest form.
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I really like the first design of the cyberman. The latter designs I don't like very much, and other things also. This design, to me, makes them more alien then the latter appearances. They also seemed almost or totally emotionless, as I recall. The latter versions do have some emotions, such as anger.
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I'm a new Doctor Who fan, too. I caught several episodes of the new series whilst sitting around on my vacation a week or so ago. I like Matt Smith's 11th Doctor the most so far, though 10's cool, too.
I was just wondering if I should start watching the new series from the 9th Doctor and onwards or if it'd be okay to start from 11th's first appearance.
Those first cybermen are creepy looking, the later designs are all kind of generic robot it seems. I haven't seen any Dalek episodes yet, so not sure what I think of them.
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I personally couldn't stop laughing at the Cybermen in their first appearance. The idea is that they are humans subjugated to be robotic, uniform, etc. etc...and that's just how they are in the new series for me. And what's more, they SOUND scary. It was the voices of the very first ones that I just couldn't stop laughing at. I take them a bit more seriously.
But yeah, you should definitely check out the Dalek episodes. I'm a bit of a Dalek nut...ehh, maybe too much of one.
(http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/176/4/2/all_the_daleks_by_bat_snake-d54vl0k.jpg)
Granted they're both scary, but in a way, Cybermen have human backgrounds. The Daleks don't have a single drop of humanity in them, and that makes them worse than the Cybermen by far. But what's more is they're totally organic. The "robot" we see is just a battletank with an occupant inside, and are bred to be the way they are generation by generation. Other than that, I'm not sure why I like the Daleks better than the Cybermen. They just seem far more "interesting".
But the other monsters I like are the Drashig from Carnival of Monsters, which are just solely predators and nothing else more and the Vashta Nerada. I would have but the Weeping Angels on my list, but they've run their course for me. Running into one of them is better than running into a Cyberman...or a Dalek...or Vashta Nerada...or whatever that thing on Midnight was. I think it was a super-extremophile of some kind.
On another note, I am ITCHING for Asylum of the Daleks...and dinosaurs on a spaceship (then riding a triceratops on a spaceship!).
The very idea of <i>every. Single. Solitary</i> Dalek asking the Doctor for help, the bane of their existance and probably the reason why a good 98% were in the Asylum in the first place, is just mind boggling but awesome at the same time. And getting every Dalek they could for filming? FANGASAM! Even greater so if the Cult of Skaro shows up briefly. I can only dream for Dalek X, from one of the books and one of my favorite Daleks, but oh well.
And for Amy and Rory to go away. And ESPECIALLY for River to get a move on to that blasted library! I'm just about sick of them. They would have been okay if they had not sort of made the storyline their b****. Especially River. I could give you a ton of reasons why I can't wait for River to get along to the Library, though that would be a cool episode to see how that finally happens.
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Fair enough.
I find the New Who Daleks to be very frightening, if only because you can't defeat them by tipping them over. Hell, touch them in New Who and you burst into freaking flames! I do, however, find what Daleks represent in any era of Doctor Who to be terrifying beyond words.
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Oh, indeed. Even the newest of the new, ridiculous as they look (except for the eyestalk) are some nasty bits of art...and apparently, they can switch out their weapons at any time, but they're getting to that...which might actually explain some of the bulkiness.
The old ones were definitely cool, but when I think about it, they were probably the most...vulnerable, so to say. Victory of the Daleks shows the Doctor whacking one of the 2005 editions with a crowbar,with virtually no harm done to it except for getting a little flustered. But in Remembrance of the Daleks, his companion Ace whacks an Imperial Dalek with a super-charged baseball bat until its eyestalk and dome fall apart! And that's just one example! In another episode, they whack off the eyestalk like a twig the shove it out a window!
But, on the other hand, they managed to build their own edition of the TARDIS in The Chase, which made for a cool episode.
Why they've never done it again, I don't know.
I'm guessing that in the old Who-New Who encounters preceding the upcoming Asylum of the Daleks, those little Old Who mutants must have squelched up in terror at their superiority!
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Doctor Who villains building their own TARDIS. ...That sounds like something that'd happen right on the 11th Doctor's run. Frankly, I'm amazed it hasn't.
Yes, they are goofy looking. Though their intense, rage-filled shrieking voices also help make up for it.
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But yeah, you should definitely check out the Dalek episodes. I'm a bit of a Dalek nut...ehh, maybe too much of one.
(http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/176/4/2/all_the_daleks_by_bat_snake-d54vl0k.jpg)
Ptyra, did you make all those Dalek plushies yourself? :wow They're rather cute (especially the little tiny one on the right). Maybe you should post some pictures of those guys in your art thread. :idea
This is going to sound strange to most people, but I've always found the New Series Dalek mutants to be kind of adorable. :oops :p This especially goes for the first one from "Dalek" and Dalek Caan in the Season 4 finale (see Ptyra's signature). It probably helps that I have a soft spot for cephalopods, which the Daleks more or less resemble. :p
I recently drew a Dalek wearing a graduation cap for my mother's graduation card (she was getting her doctorate, so I figured why not include a reference to the ultimate Doctor? :p), and a Dalek, a Slitheen, and the Space Pig standing side-by-side on a mini birthday card for my youngest brother. :lol
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I never really liked the daleks myself. Though I do wonder why nothing has been done with the good daleks briefly seen in Evil of the Daleks. I guess no one would like that type. Though it could be a different faction of daleks. And the only Davros I've liked was the first one, though like with the daleks most like his every appearance.
The daleks were a huge hit from the start.
I heard rumors that this season they may do stand alone episodes instead of every episode being part of a season long story.
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Yes, I did make them. Though since picture was taken, I've done some modifications with the biggest one, namely taking off the machine-stitched legs and re-sewing them back on by hand so they could be a lot more even.
And I would post it on my art thread if people were looking at it now!
There was a comic called the Only Good Dalek in which a Dalek had been experimented on to be made more benign, and then the others started trying to hunt it down, seeing it as an "abomination". Then there was the audio play Jubilee in which a Dalek's only option in its life at the time was to help a few humans overthrow the alternate London government's "president". Yes, president.
That one is my favorite Dalek storyline, besides Prisoner of the Daleks, which was a book. And it was the inspiration for the 2005 re-introduction to the Daleks, with themes of the Dalek being tortured in the captivity of a maniac, and supposedly being the "last Dalek". Though, the one in Jubilee bonds with the companion (History professor Evelyn Smithe) a lot more than with Rose. It's one I DEFINITELY recommend listening to if you need another good Dalek story.
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I'd love to see a good Dalek become a Doctor Companion, personally. I'd love to see The Doctor and that Dalek Companion have a nice philosophical discussion about how to deal with bad guys. Like the Dalek would still probably think they should go ahead and EXTERMINATE the latest evil doer messing with the timeline and The Doctor would rather not (unless forced to by circumstances).
Good Dalek: "IF YOU LET HIM/HER/IT LIVE, THEY WILL PROBABLY NOT REFORM, AND WILL JUST CAUSE MORE HAVOC ANOTHER DAY."
The Doctor: "That's not the point! We need to give them a chance!"
That's just the shot version. I'm sure they'd throw all kinds of reasons for their stance back and forth, but you get the idea.
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I want to see him with a Dalek companion too.
Dalek Sec could have been awesome, but alas...
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Oh man, Dalek Sec was awesome as a villain and a character!
Just thought of more for the argument between Reformed Dalek and The Doctor:
Reformed Dalek: "IT IS A VERY DIFFICULT THING TO CHANGE ONESELF FOR MOST OF US, DOCTOR. I KNOW FROM MY OWN EXPERIENCES. JUST HOW MANY OF YOUR ENEMIES HAVE YOU BEEN ABLE TO DISSUADE FROM THEIR PATH? THE NUMBER CANNOT BE VERY HIGH."
The Doctor: "You're right, and I won't deny that things go bad most of the time. But... You changed. You did what I thought was impossible. A Dalek that knows mercy and compassion. Please, that right there proves that every lifeform deserves a chance. I just need a chance to talk with [them]."
Reformed Dalek: "PERHAPS, DOCTOR. VERY WELL, BUT IF OUR ENEMY PROVES TO BE IRREDEEMABLE, I WILL NOT HESITATE."
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That sort of a relationship would be awesome between the Doctor and a Dalek companion would be awesome.
I too have played with ideas for the Doctor and a Dalek companion, mostly one that had been mutated into a human-Dalek like Sec did, but to a woman...because that itself would be a fun concept to work with
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The dalek would likely have to have at least some of the human factor, sort of thing that the ones in Evil of the Daleks got, or be a hybrid, like I heard they did in 1 story, part human and part dalek, or something.
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I haven't seen it, but I know a couple of my friends that have.
I also wouldn't be too surprised if Doctor Hooves got me into this show, either. :DD
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There could have been survivors at the end of the Evil of the Daleks, including some Good Daleks. Though lost, there is 1 episode and clips of the story, and on youtube there are some folks who have done a reconstruction of parts also. I've seen some of the story episodes in reconstruction, but I've not yet watched/listened all of it from beginning to end. I will when it's turn comes up.
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There was an 8th Doctor comic that featured what happened to Alpha, Beta, and Omega during the little rebellion in Evil of the Daleks, where they went to another planet and made a population of Daleks there that focused themselves on their humanity and peace, even making art.
Those three were creepily cute...
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Not sure how they'd get to another planet, but there could have been survivors from the battle. Or some maybe just leaving during all the explosions and such. Though I guess they'd be stuck on Skaro somewhere. Lots of areas on Skaro for them to go and live and not see others I would assume.
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Well, The Ninth Doctor described each and every Dalek as being a genius, so they could have built a transport device.
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Well, even the old ones had some technological deficiancies.
Someone is working on a brilliant fan-comic revolving around Daleks in an alternate universe who have emotions, but that is gradually being taken away, and the rebellion springing up against that. It's called The Second Empire (http://www.cg-lair.co.uk/daleks/secemp-index.htm). (I'm playing the Combat Mechanics in an upcoming episode of the animated series (http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL1F93CBFB5789942D&feature=plcp). (Both the animator and the original creator were both thinking what I was about the feminine voices and them being like their equivalent to the women who served as nurses smack in the middle of battle. I was quiet happy to learn that) One of the things the rebel groups talk about is that while they have taken up technology used by cultures they conquered, they never completely learned about them.
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Anyone else kind of disappointed that supplementary materials are being more thorough in exploring all possible outlets of Dalek nature than the main show is?
The Second Empire definitely seems interesting.
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It's still really cool, and I'm still giddy to see my parts animated...though, I'm considering re-doing a couple lines.
I would like to see an episode or some kind of story based on the daily life of the Daleks, maybe a two-parter or something were the Doctor is subjugated into some kind of hoo-haa so that he can see a regular Dalek's life from birth as if it is his own life, and with his idea of life, probably suffer just a little bit more than a typical Dalek does. I sort of see him having incredible "I'm cold, I'm tired, I'm in agonizing physical pain caused by more circumstances than I can list besides all these wires driving into my flesh, and I've just realized that I really need a cuddle or something" thoughts during that time. Of course, any other Dalek wouldn't think the last thing, but probably everything else, and have a feeling they can't describe, that being the "I need to cuddle"...and promptly deny it if they figure it out.
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That would work perfectly. Oh geez, as if we need to torture The Doctor even more!
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Yeah XD
But it might put him on a more mutual level with the Daleks
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Without doubt.
SPeaking of The Doctor, who would you all love to see take over for Matt Smith after 2014 comes and goes? Personally, I'd love Tom Hiddleston to be the 12th Doctor.
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I really wouldn't know.
But with all the talk of a woman playing the Doctor, I'm definitely picky, mostly because I imagine that a female Doctor would be a LOT like Miss Frizzle from the Magic School Bus. Kooky with a really obscure fashion sense but awesome.
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Eh, let's keep The Doctor a guy. If they want to have a surviving Time Lady having adventures, then BBC is welcome to that.
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There is always Romana, and I think in some books and big finish audio there is Iris Wildthyme. The big finish one , I heard is voiced by Katy Manning. I've not listened to any of them. I heard she travels in a tardis shaped like a double decker bus.
I wonder who long he'll stay the doctor, most stayed for around 3 seasons. A few like Jon Pertwee and Tom Baker, stayed longer.
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Not to mention Susan...she's the one character now that I really want to see returning.
Time to go back for her, Doctor.
For an episode like that, it would be pretty epic to see some flashbacks to the previous show, with the references to the Doctor being a father and grandfather, and his goodbye scene to Susan.
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Matt Smith will be staying at least until the end of 2014.
I'd love for Susan to turn up alive and well as well, just so the poor Doc can be thrown a frikkin' bone for once.
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I'm trying to work on a fanfiction or something where he finds her in Jamestown's Starving Time (a point I'd like to see on Doctor Who in general), having done the ol' Time Lord-essence-into-fob-watch thing, and is nearly dying from sickness. Then the Doctor has to find her watch and save her.
My idea is that while she was healthy, she traded her fob watch with the Natives for food and the Doctor has to get it back from them, but they're far more reluctant than he thought they'd be. Enter Pocahontas.
I think the best part about is that he couldn't say he's John Smith, 'cuz then they'd be looking at him saying "Noooo, John Smith got shot in the leg and went back to England a year ago, you don't even look like him".
In the end, he does get it back somehow, and even gets Susan to regenerate.
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That is some debate I've read about concerning Susan, if she could regenerate or not, and being from Galifrey if she'd live longer then David, I think his name is. Though with classic dr who they came up with some silly or unbelievable reasons for some companions to leave.
Of the reasons, some of them have made sense. Like Ben & Polly, finding out they had returned to I think, the day after they had left with the first doctor and deciding to stay.
& with Ace, some of the production staff, & I think the actress too herself, have said if the show had continued that she would have left during the following season after Survival to enroll in the time lord academy.
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That is a good point, I think one of the reasons why the Doctor brought Susan with him when he stole the TARDIS was to protect her from the academy or something.
Regardless, there have been some comics where they reunited, in which she and David had adopted three children because they had struggled to have one of their own, but soon did, and there was difficulty deciding if he should go to the Academy or not.
Which might suggest that Susan may have gained knowledge of the Time War. My guess is that the Doctor, before blowing everyone to atoms of atoms, tried to get her to get out before she had the same fate, but never found out if she actually did leave or not, nor could he find her anywhere.
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Your fanfic idea sounds like a work of pure genius, Ptyra. Do it. Seriously.
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It would definitely need a bit of work.
I even considered Romana being there with Susan, having "half wiped" her Time Lady-ness, so that she would age like a human, but still had all her memories. But I don't think she would have let Susan trade her watch for food.
My biggest question for it is how DOES the Doctor get the watch back from the Native Americans? Because I want that to be the "tough part" of the story, for the Doctor to explain to them why the watch is so important to him.
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Other time lords with their own Tardises are Drax (his was not shown on camera), and the Meddling Monk (not seen since The Dalek Masterplan, forgot which episode he was in) it was his 2nd and last appearance.
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The Master had his own TARDIS too. It showed up as a mobile home in Terror of the Autons
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Though from what I heard on the podcasts he's been in quite a few episodes of the current series. So his fate is known, not that of the others, unless they were mentioned in some dialog or something not mentioned in the podcasts I listen to.
I heard they originally wanted the Doctor's tardis to change appearance, but realized they would not have the budget to do so, since the BBC gave them a tiny budget back then.
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The excuse they came up with was pretty good, and in one of those cases, it ended up being a pretty good move that it was "stuck". It was a good way to keep it alive, and remind us now and them that there was such a thing of police boxes...
Which actually had a funny scene in the Sarah Jane Adventures where she ended up going back in time to see her dead parents, and thought that an actual police box was the TARDIS...and when she's calling for the Doctor, out comes a police officer :lol !
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Yes, the chameleon circuit got stuck and the doctor didn't get around to trying to fix it till number 6. I've not seen that story since the early 80's. As I recall it did change it's shape into various things then went back to it's familiar shape.
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I can really imagine why they put it back, I don't think it would have been the best move with the fans XD
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True, and it was a recognized image and trademark of the show.
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Which is probably why they pretty much had to put the police box back.
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Yes, I'm rezzing this topic. Since I started this one several months ago, I've seen many more episodes of both the old and new series. I've seen every episode of the Revived series, but only a few of the Classic Doctors. Thus far of the Classics, I've seen:
1st Doctor: An Unearthly Child, Dalek, The Edge of Destruction, The Aztecs, and The Web Planet. Don't watch Web Planet. Just don't.
2nd Doctor: Tomb of the Cybermen, The Mind Robber, and The War Games.
3rd Doctor: Spearhead from Space, Terror of the Autons, Carnival of Monsters, The Three Doctors, and The Planet of the Spiders.
4th Doctor: Robot, The Ark in Space, Genesis of the Daleks, Horror of Fang Rock, The Deadly Assassin, The Pyramids of Mars, The Pirate Planet, The City of Death, The Horns of Nimon (wtf were they thinking?), The Planet of Evil, The Talons of Weng Fang, and Logopolis.
5th Doctor: Castrovalva, Kinda, The Visitation, Snakedance, Earthshock ( :cry ), Warriors of the Deep (unfortunately), The Five Doctors, and The Caves of Androzani.
6th Doctor: The Twin Dilemma, The Mark of the Rani, Terror of the Vervoids (man vs. killer wacky weed), and The Two Doctors.
7th Doctor: Time and the Rani, Remembrance of the Daleks, The Happiness Patrol (wtf? Just...just wtf?), Delta and the Bannermen ( :blink: ), Battlefield, The Curse of Fenric, and Survival.
8th Doctor: Well, the only thing of his there is to see unless you invest in "Big Finish": The TV Movie. It was entertaining, but very flawed.
I've also seen the two films adaptation of "Dalek" and "Dalek Invasion of Earth" from the 1960s, starring Peter Cushing as...*sigh* Doctor Who. As in his name WAS Doctor WHO and he was human (!!). Oh, and I've also seen Dimensions in Time ( :bang ) and K-9 and Company ( :x ). I tried Torchwood out and found it a little too...um, how to keep this G-Rated? ...Heated, for my tastes. I liked the Sarah Jane Adventures, though.
So far I think I've seen just enough that I 'get' each Doctor, and I think I know who my favorites are. Now I'm going to come straight out and let everyone know that I know that The Doctor has never been played by a bad actor, and that they're all delightful chaps. All of them.
My Favorite Doctors, Most-to-Least:
1. 10th (my first Doctor)
2-4. 3rd, 4th, and 7th tied, coming in very close behind 10. This is cheating, I know, but I just couldn't choose.
5. 5th
6. 11th
7. 9th
8. 2nd
9. 8th (I'd put this guy higher, but we never really get know this guy in his one movie. Poor Paul McGann)
10. 1st Doctor
11. 6th Doctor (I know Colin Baker is not to blame and that it was the network that screwed him with a fashion vomit and bad writing, but dang was the 6th Doctor was a jerk. It's to Baker's credit that he was likeable at all.)
I'm going to keep collecting episodes, but man, BBC is not making it easy to get my hands on anything that was made before 2005.
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There are some stories they are redoing, that they call special editions. & some of the stories that are missing episodes will have the 1 or 2 episodes animated.
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Oh, yeah, the lost episodes. When I said "BBC" is making it hard for me, I was referring to price and availability.
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I get my dvd's through either amazon or deepdiscount.
I started to rewatch all the classic dr who stories, though I stopped, deciding I want to wait till I get the Planet of Giants dvd then I can try to see if I still dislike the Sensorites, and I'll try the recon of Reign of terror. Though I tend to not like historicals that are over 4 episodes in my limited trying of them. Last year I have watched An Unearthly Child through The Aztecs, skipped over 3 stories, and watched Dalek Invasion of Earth and The Rescue. Once I get the Planet of Giants dvd I'll try watching reign of terror & the sensorites as well as planet of giants. Then Pick up from the Romans and go forward.
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I looooooved the Sarah Jane Adventures. It was a nice way to see Sarah grow past her hurt of the Doctor leaving her behind and really starting up a life of her own. I actually find her a lot more visually appealing when she's older, for some reason O__O .
But seriously, you'd think they'd bring and umbrella or rain coat they next time they explode a Slitheen :lol .
When it comes to classic episodes, or episodes that are outright unavailable, I watch them on Dailymotion.
The Aztecs is one of my favorites to watch on Netflix, especially as the start of "Don't **** with time!" stuff. I'd really like to see more episodes that were like that, where they just skip out on the sci-fi and go straight to history. They had a nice touch...though, the Reign of Terror one was a bit tedious to watch, especially since half of it was spent with the Doctor strolling through the countryside to get to Paris. It was fun to riff though.
My biggest problem with the classic series is the name of the villain in Androids of Tara. "Count Grendel"...SERIOUSLY, TERRY NATION!? Those two names/words sound evil enough, but when you put them together, it sounds goofy! I wouldn't have been surprised if Sir Beowulf stormed in!
I also listened to one of the 8th Doctor audio plays, Dark Eyes. It was really neat. His temporary companion was pretty neat. "Tardi-box" was what she called the TARDIS...and it was awesome with her Irish accent.
Dark Eyes is one I'd seriously recommend, but you'd have to actually buy it.
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Big Finish has a lot of audios featuring the 5-8th doctors. Tom Baker has had no interest in them till very recently. They also do what they call companion chronicles with I think has 1-2 companions, for the first 3 doctor's companions.
Good to see the 2nd attempt at Giving Sarah Jane Smith a spin off series work. The first attempt called K9 & company wasn't very popular.
I watched Loose Cannons recon of Marco Polo,that was hard to sit through, though they had the sound track, and had hand colored all the pictures so it was in color. Though I did like their reconstruction of Galaxy 4. The Under Water Menace, which Loose Cannon also did a recon was, was fun to watch, in the same way Horns of the Nimon and MST3k is fun to watch. The bad guy is so over the top, to me at least. ANd the Nimon, funny. I recall when I saw them as a kid/teen I expected them to start dancing ballet any second.
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DailyMotion doesn't work that well for me, I'm afraid, and I don't have a lot of money to go throwing at Amazon. Most of the Doctor Who DVDs I have came from last Christmas.
I'm really thinking of giving Big Finish a try, because I do want to see more of The 8th Doctor.
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If you don't mind watching online flash animation the bbc did do a flash animated 8th doctor story. It also has the 2nd Romana and K9 in it. They rewrote the original 4th dr story that was never finished due to a strike at the bbc. I recall liking it.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/classic/webcasts/shada/ (http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/classic/webcasts/shada/)
There is also one they did that stars the 6th doctor, Real Time: http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/classic/webcasts/realtime/ (http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/classic/webcasts/realtime/)