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The Land Before Time => General Land Before Time => Topic started by: Manny Cav on July 26, 2007, 12:04:33 AM
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I have heard that there was a video of Cera and Ducky singing Diana Ross' "If We Hold On Together." I have searched the internet over, but have failed to find a video of such. I have had the good fortune of finding a possible audio file of it, but not a full video. Can someone enlighten me, or better still, tell me where I can find a video of it?
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there is such a thing but i'm afraid that i can't help you find it.
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The version you are looking for, first off, is actually argued around here by it either being Littlefoot and Ducky or Cera and Ducky. The only place to find it on a video is in the LBT Sing-a-long Songs Volume 1. This VHS appeared only a few months after LBT 4 did. It held all 10 songs that were in the LBT franchise at the time.
There used to be a vid of it on YouTube, but the person who provided it was banned for continuously breaking the violation rules and, as a result, the video was removed as well.
Finding it online isn't easy. You could try e-bay as your best bet. Just know that you might end up paying a pretty penny for it. :)
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erY8OTQ5jh4ey!!! I really want that video!!! :bang
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Here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Acw1DM-COf4) you go. This is the If we hold on together video from the sing along songs video. It is sung by Aria and Thomas Dekker.
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Ah yes, I remember that. I have the sing-along tape, volume one, here somewhere. I used to watch it all the time, but I haven't done so in years. I admit I don't like that version of If We Hold On Together, no offense of course.
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Thank you so much for that, Malte! And I'll admit to thinking that that version ROCKED!!!
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I liked everything about it. The beginning is sorta weird, but it really was great!
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The beginning is sorta weird
I think I know what you're talking about. The audio only version (http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e294/mr300/gangoffive/AnndiMcAfee-IfWeHoldOnTogether.swf) doesn't have the "beginning."
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I love this song. :D I thought i heard whoever voices littlefoot singing aswell. but i guess my ears were tricking me. lol
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And the debate continues over who is singing... :lol:
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I'm going to throw my two cents in and say that I can't sort out Anndi McAfee's voice anywhere in this version. I've closely listened to this, and I can sort out what may indeed be Littlefoot's voice (thus the Thomas Dekker comment Malte made). However, the voice at the beginning doesn't sound like Littlefoot or Cera. Is it possible all three of them are doing this?
And I needn't say that Ducky's voice sticks out like a sore thumb.
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To be honest, when I listened to this as a child, I thought it was just a bunch of kids singing it.
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To be honest, it did sound like Ducky and Littlefoot. I'm such a "Cera-holic" that I know her inside and out, and it doesn't sound like ANY of her voice actors. I also know Littlefoot's 1-5 voices VERY well from watching them so much, and it definately sounds like a Littlefoot one. :)
Anyways, thanks for showing that to us, Malte. I absolutely love it! :^.^:
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All of the internet sources say Cera and Ducky... this really boggles me, since I'm almost positive I hear Littlefoot in there. It's illogical. I might have to send a query to Universal Studios, or just send Anndi McAfee some 'friendly fan mail,' inquiring to who did the "If We Hold On Together" remix. She would know if she really did it or not, and mabey even who else did it. What do you guys think?
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I actually think that Littlefoot and Ducky did the VHS version of the song, and Cera and Ducky did the CD version. So, in effect, the versions of the song you hear depends on what source you are using.
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There's no way Thomas Dekker did the CD version. Those are female voices.
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I think all three are singing it. It sounds like Thomas only joins in during the chorus and the bit at the end "As high as souls can fly the clouds go by" it sounds like 2 people singing but it definetley not Ducky.
:bang :bang :bang :bang
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I think it's Littlefoot and Ducky. Young male's often sound like females, especially when they're artificially recorded. I just wish I still had that voice comparison program. I can't even remember the name of it. That thing would tell me for sure who's singing.
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used a much easier and less sophisticated program and here's thommas dekker in comparison to the voice in question. It was a much better match than Cera.
(http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa146/tlordame/voiceanylasis-1.jpg)
EDIT: you're only supposed to be looking in the lower band frequencies where the vocal aspects are kept (2khz or less). Pretty good match, wouldn't ya say?
Note: the extreme variations are not caused by vocal, but instumental influences. If they bear any resemblance at all to each other, you've probably got a match. ;)
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Aria once mentioned singing this If we hold on together version with Thomas Dekker. She did not mention Anndie taking part in it. I must confess though that I hadn't even noticed before, that indeed the CD and the video version are not identical. So I suppose Anndie participated just in the video version.
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So I suppose Anndie participated just in the video version.
This is the movie version. I just ripped the audio from it.
here's the movie version (with the beginning cut out of course) compared to the cd version. As you can see, they're by no means the same:
(http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa146/tlordame/notsame.jpg)
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Graphs like that mean absolutely nothing Austin. All it means is that at least spectrally, there isn't much difference. Only audibly can you tell who's singing, and I can tell you, its not a male voice on the CD. Maybe Tim can send you a higher quality version.
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I wasn't impressed with the audio quality posted here (http://www.gangoffive.net/index.php?topic=1119), either. A better quality version would be... better. :yes
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its not a male voice on the CD. Maybe Tim can send you a higher quality version.
I often wondered how that was Thomas Dekker on the CD version. :lol
You know, I never noticed that the video and the CD version were different either LOL.
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Both of them sounded the same to me. I don't get it.
And I never knew there was a LBT CD. What is it? Anyone have any information?
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What is it? Anyone have any information?
Sure do! As a matter of fact, I have the CD. :D
It's an LBT Sing-along CD including songs from LBT 2 to LBT 4, as well as a special edition of "If We Hold On Together" as discussed earlier. It can be found on amazon, e-bay, or a number of online sales sites.
An example:
http://www.amazon.com/Songs-Before-Video-S...85593679&sr=1-1 (http://www.amazon.com/Songs-Before-Video-Soundtrack-Anthology/dp/B000003L2M/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/105-5753171-5120445?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1185593679&sr=1-1)
A better quality version would be... better.
Sorry! If you want a better-quality version, you need to go buy the CD like I did. I have a CD-quality version on my computer, as well as the CD in my room. ;)
The low-quality version exists for people to sample the song. If they desire CD-quality, the CD exists online. B)
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That's an interesting perspective. Providing a full quality song is illegal, but providing a poor quality song is legal -- or half-legal, anyway.
Getting the CD for that one song sounds rather stupid from one angle. However, being an LBT fan kind of changes it. However, I wonder how my parents would feel about me ordering a music CD online that's targeted towards "tweens."
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That's an interesting perspective. Providing a full quality song is illegal, but providing a poor quality song is legal -- or half-legal, anyway.
Sharing the LBT songs was Petrie's doing. If you have further questions, I suggest you ask him.
From what I understand, the theory is that the LBT songs aren't exactly in high-demand and nobody will care if we share them. I'm sure we could get away with sharing full-quality copies, but that would have a negative impact on the sales of LBT merchandise.
If we give away low-quality versions, there is something to gain for buying the CD (full quality). If we gave away CD-quality recordings, why would you buy the CD? What gain would there be? You'd have the CD in your collection, that's it.
The idea of us distributing low-quality versions of the LBT songs isn't so much from a legal perspective, but a perspective targetted at preserving the LBT market and the integrity of our community. I support LBT and condone against LBT piracy. I suppose sharing among the community but I would honestly hate to know that our community is hurting LBT sales because we're giving everything to each other through a single copy.
Also, I bought my copy for Me, not for the entire LBT community. :p
It's less than $4 on amazon. It won't kill you to buy the CD. :P:
Admittedly, Universal probably isn't making much money (if any) from sales of LBT CDs anymore but it's the pricinciple that counts. I would like to see our community as a positive influence on LBT, not a negative one.
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Your principles are admirable. If it's illegal, don't do it. Even if you won't get caught.
As for the CD, I just converted the .swf file to .wav, and called it good. It's not a real ear-sore as it is, really. I'm kind of tight and advantage-seeking when it comes to money -- always doing every little thing to make it stretch like silly-putty.
Right now, though, I've got bigger LBT problems. Like my VHS rips off of CN of LBT 10 and 11 are imperfect, and I'm contemplating whether or not to get this (http://www.amazon.com/Land-Before-Time-Discovery-Friendship/dp/B000GIXINC/ref=sr_1_1/102-6207575-5940910?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1185595623&sr=1-1).
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If it's illegal, don't do it. Even if you won't get caught.
I'll let Petrie make that call since he has taken charge of the SWF files (I agree, they're very easy to convert to mp3/wav but that's besides the point :p)
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Okay People. I'm 100% sure that it's Cera. Litsten to one of her lines with (most) of the background music gone. I could have done it better, but I don't have the time right now. It's good enough. The download is only 222k so don't worry about it.
http://download.yousendit.com/6911537525ABE102 (http://download.yousendit.com/6911537525ABE102)
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I sent an email to ye olde Universal Studios. Hopefully, some straight answers will come of this. I still think Littlefoot's juvenile voice is in there somewhere....
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If you didn't believe it was Cera before, believe it now. Listen to this. It is undoubtedly a female voice. It's a lot easier to tell when ya slow it down:
http://download.yousendit.com/A69EF5430FF173A0 (http://download.yousendit.com/A69EF5430FF173A0)
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It's Aria Curzon and Anndi McAfee
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If it's illegal, don't do it. Even if you won't get caught.
I'll let Petrie make that call since he has taken charge of the SWF files (I agree, they're very easy to convert to mp3/wav but that's besides the point :p)
Convert them if you wish; they still sound like the low-quality copy I gave you, which nobody in their right mind would pay for or consider sufficient in the digital age. Hence, I'm not hurting anyone's profit on a new/used copy with these songs. I may even get the person to actually buy a copy. :P:
That's an interesting perspective. Providing a full quality song is illegal, but providing a poor quality song is legal -- or half-legal, anyway.
I've been doing websites since 2002 with song files of low quality and not once have I had anyone come and scream at me to take them down. 32kbps MP3 files are hardly cd quality let alone radio quality. Its a sample of what was presented in the film represented on the site; you want the real thing you suck it up and buy an official copy like I did. I never had anyone ask for files of entire soundtracks either, so I think people were happy for the samples as a "try before you buy" thing. :) I'm not doing sites anymore, but my experiences in the past showed that I likely won't have trouble with these files.
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If it's illegal, don't do it. Even if you won't get caught.
I'll let Petrie make that call since he has taken charge of the SWF files (I agree, they're very easy to convert to mp3/wav but that's besides the point :p)
Convert them if you wish; they still sound like the low-quality copy I gave you, which nobody in their right mind would pay for or consider sufficient in the digital age. Hence, I'm not hurting anyone's profit on a new/used copy with these songs. I may even get the person to actually buy a copy. :P:
That's an interesting perspective. Providing a full quality song is illegal, but providing a poor quality song is legal -- or half-legal, anyway.
I've been doing websites since 2002 with song files of low quality and not once have I had anyone come and scream at me to take them down. 32kbps MP3 files are hardly cd quality let alone radio quality. Its a sample of what was presented in the film represented on the site; you want the real thing you suck it up and buy an official copy like I did. I never had anyone ask for files of entire soundtracks either, so I think people were happy for the samples as a "try before you buy" thing. :) I'm not doing sites anymore, but my experiences in the past showed that I likely won't have trouble with these files.
I am sure that in the song are Ceras and Duckys voice. Mayby Litlefoots, too
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In my honest opinion, all three of them are doing it. Ducky's voice is obvious, and I know I hear Littlefoot in there somewhere, especially at "When we are out there, in the dark." However, you can hear "Littlefoot" singing with a second person that doesn't sound like Ducky. It's probably Cera. In any case, I believe it's all three of them on both version.
However, I have yet to hear back from Universal Studios. I sent them an email through their feedback section on http://www.landbeforetime.com (http://www.landbeforetime.com) nearly a week ago. I think I may have to take a more direct approach to get an official answer, like email Anndi McAfee herself. She would surely know what version she did and didn't sing on.
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I have ran out of patience with Universal Studios. As a result, I have instead emailed Anndi McAfee herself about this version of "If We Hold On Together." Looks like she'll be getting some fan mail real soon.... :wow
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Wow... what a fast response. I got this email back recently:
[my first name],
I am happy to put an end to the debate. Aria and I, as far as I am aware, are the only people who sang the newer version of "If we hold on Together." Originally, the song went into a doll that would play the song when the foot was pressed. It was supposed to be "ducky" and "cera" singing the song. Eventually, they added it to the VHS and CD. SO the answer to your question is, Aria and I sang the song. The song does have some sort of an introduction by some kids on the VHS, but the song itself is the one I recorded with Aria.
-anndi
Conclusion: It's Cera and Ducky. Straight from the horse's mouth.
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Well, I guess this ends the debate pernamently. I really thought Cera wasn't in it. And I call myself a "Cera enthusiest". Boy was I ever proven wrong. :(
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Some people just don't listen to me. :P: :P: :nyah
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Some people just don't listen to me.
See Petrie? We aren't going deaf! :lol B)
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Conclusion: It's Cera and Ducky. Straight from the horse's mouth.
Hehe. I knew it. I will admit that I thought it was Littlefoot at first, but after slowing it down, I knew that a male could never sound like that. The voice anylasis also showed it to be Cera. I guess it wasn't so meaningless after all, heh Petrie. :D
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My ears told me it was Cera from the instant I heard the song but Malte's comment that Aria sang it with Thomas had me confused at best. :P:
At least we can more-or-less put this issue to rest...except, how does one explain the fact that Malte claims that Aria told him that she sang with Thomas Dekker?
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Anndi told me that she would ask them, but that she was pretty sure Thomas Dekker didn't do either version.
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I need to check out my mails from several years ago, but I'm quite sure that Aria mentioned Thomas singing that song. I also recall reading about that doll on Aria's page.
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I got tired of waiting and chancing it at garage sales, so I decided to just get the CD brand new at eBay (Amazon went up :p ). At least I can enjoy what the others around here have experienced with the CD. I do have to know, though, how action9000 was able to rip that last track without the kids part at the beginning. How did you? :p
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I do have to know, though, how action9000 was able to rip that last track without the kids part at the beginning. How did you?
Simple: I didn't. :p
I ripped the entire CD, including all of the kids' spoken parts, to my computer. I then used Goldwave (http://www.goldwave.com), an audio waveform editor, in order to cut out the the sections of the track containing the kids' speaking parts, then I faded in the music using Goldwave to create a smooth start to the song. The result is the complete song with none of the extra stuff. B)
You can do this with any decent audio editting program. It's quite simple, really.
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Well, I just downloaded GoldWave. I'm "processing" all of the songs as I post.
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If you have any questions about the operation of Goldwave, feel free to ask. :yes'
I've played with it quite a bit.
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If I edit an MP3 in GoldWave, or chop off bits and pieces, will it reduce the quality of the MP3 further, or will it remain the same?
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If I edit an MP3 in GoldWave, or chop off bits and pieces, will it reduce the quality of the MP3 further, or will it remain the same?
When you load an MP3 into Goldwave, it appears as the waveform you see. Editting the waveform or making any changes will NOT directly affect the quality...
BUT resaving the file as an mp3 will result in a loss of quality compared to the first mp3.
Why? Think of it like a photocopier. Think of "Saving to an mp3" as "making a copy" in a photocopier. A copy is never quite as good as the source data being copied. The more times you "copy a copy in a photocopier" (the more times you save an mp3 to another mp3), the more quality you lose.
The CD gets "Copied" to the first .mp3, which you load into Goldwave. It doesn't matter what you do with this file in Goldwave. What makes all the difference is how you SAVE the new file. If you save as an mp3 again, it's the equivalent of making a copy of a copy.
The question is, how negligible is this loss in quality? If you're saving from a 320kbps mp3 source tile to another 320 kbps mp3, you will lost *almost* nothing. The result will probably sound like a 310 kbps or similar....though the new file will still have the equal Quantity of data as the original, meaning you are wasting space by doing this.
In a perfect world in order to preserve every bit of quality, you need to do this:
Rip the CD to a .wav file.
Load the .wav into Goldwave
Make your changes
Save to mp3 (bitrate of your choice).
This way you're only using the "photocopier" once and not making copies of copies. B) That being said though, that's theoretical. If you're using high bitrates (192kbps or more), chances are you won't hear a drop in quality unless you're a supreme audiophile. :P:
So the short answer to your question:
will it reduce the quality of the MP3 further, or will it remain the same?
is "It will reduce the quality of the mp3 further, yes."
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After listening to the song, you can tell that none of the voices of Littlefoot are present. It is clearly noticeable during the chorus. It is definitely Cera during the chorus.
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I'm going to throw my two cents in and say that I can't sort out Anndi McAfee's voice anywhere in this version. I've closely listened to this, and I can sort out what may indeed be Littlefoot's voice (thus the Thomas Dekker comment Malte made). However, the voice at the beginning doesn't sound like Littlefoot or Cera. Is it possible all three of them are doing this?
And I needn't say that Ducky's voice sticks out like a sore thumb.
I think the reason for that was because all of the songs on the first volume were before LBT 5, and Andi McAfee didn't appear until LBT 5. Honestly, I thought the voice was Scott McAfee, the voice for Littlefoot in LBT 2 - 4, but that's my opinion.
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What I think is that Anndi McAfee just "wasn't in character," if you know what I mean.
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I've heard it before, not on the sing-along tape, but on various video's on YouTube. It's actually very good.