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Title: LBT crossing overs, yes or no?
Post by: Serris on January 11, 2008, 05:37:51 PM
This is supposed to be a poll on the opinions of LBT fanfic crossovers.

I'm personally not a fan of crossovers, but I won't condemn anyone that likes them. However, I'm not really an LBT purist, so anything that seems a little off key for an LBT story (The 2 LBT fanfics of A Traitor in Our Midst (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2156392/1/A_Traitor_in_Our_Midst) and War of the Worlds (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2151472/1/Land_Before_Time_War_of_the_Worlds) spring to mind) will not bother me.

ETA: Uhh, how do you add a poll?
Title: LBT crossing overs, yes or no?
Post by: Serris on January 11, 2008, 05:43:07 PM
Also, an LBT fanfic that is too violent is questionable but one that is action loaded and suspensful and akin to a thriller is A-OK (even if it would NEVER make it into an LBT film).

Sexual/character bashing fanfics are a complete no-no for me.
Title: LBT crossing overs, yes or no?
Post by: lbt/cty_lover on January 11, 2008, 06:13:43 PM
I vote yes! My first fan-fic is a crossover between LBT and Eragon.
Title: LBT crossing overs, yes or no?
Post by: The Great Valley Guardian on January 11, 2008, 06:24:59 PM
I'm kinda conflicted here....cause while I prefer a pure LBT fanfic, I do tend to fancy several LBT crossovers on FF.net. However If I've never seen the show/movie/book that the crossover is based on...then it will take me a while to understand it and enjoy it much like Warriors of the Solar System (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3982438/1/Land_Before_Time_Warriors_of_the_Solar_System).

But overall I support crossovers in general.
Title: LBT crossing overs, yes or no?
Post by: Malte279 on January 11, 2008, 07:00:06 PM
I am very much opposed to LBT crossing overs especially if the crossing over is of a totally different genre. LBT + another good story doesn't make a better or even a story of comparable quality to LBT. There is hardly a way to bring characters from other stories into LBT without an awful lot of stuff that just doesn't belong there. Even in case of such easy crossing overs as land before time and disney's dinosaur it just doesn't feel right as far as I'm concerned. But from Star Wars, over Zelda, and the lord of the rings, to resident evil, and the lion king there have been crossing overs with about anything. I know this opinion is unpopular, but I think that it is a sign of imagination to be able to write stories within the boundaries set by the original movie and the early sequels rather than allowing just anything to happen in a story.
Title: LBT crossing overs, yes or no?
Post by: Malte279 on January 11, 2008, 07:36:25 PM
The poll problem is fixed now.
Title: LBT crossing overs, yes or no?
Post by: The Chronicler on January 11, 2008, 08:27:53 PM
I don't mind crossovers, as long as they don't take things too far (such as anything sexual :x ).
Title: LBT crossing overs, yes or no?
Post by: lbt/cty_lover on January 11, 2008, 08:45:30 PM
Do not read the fan-fic that involves something sexual that is on fanfiction.net if you don't like that kind of stuff.
Title: LBT crossing overs, yes or no?
Post by: The Chronicler on January 11, 2008, 09:04:08 PM
I already know which one that is and I've never even bothered a quick peek at it.
Title: LBT crossing overs, yes or no?
Post by: f-22 "raptor" ace on January 12, 2008, 12:12:37 AM
My next LBT fanfic will be a cross over.
Title: LBT crossing overs, yes or no?
Post by: landbeforetimelover on January 12, 2008, 09:25:27 AM
Cross over LBT fanfics is a real no-no for me.  No other thing can be introduced into an LBT environment that already exists (like star wars or other tv show or book).  If you add your own characters that you made up on your own, then that's okay, but I just hate it when people put a couple of shows together.  It may start out okay, but then the writers find themselves desperately trying to improvise and put things together and it just turns out rediculous (like one I saw Littlefoot was battling Luke Skywalker in a lightsaber duel after turning to the dark side.)  Though these things may be sort of funny, people tend to get obsessed with them, degrading and humiliating the original movies of both sides in their stories and eventually losing the original point and plot of the individual movies they feature in their fanfic.  Quite sad. :(

Sexual things in a fanfic are okay so long as they're tasteful, not too explicit, and don't involve two creatures from different movies or books.  By not too explicit, I mean very mild things that make you assume sexual things are going on between the characters, not mild sex scenes!  It takes a lot of skill to make the reader think that sexual things are going on between the characters without just coming out and saying it.  They usually go something like this:

"I want to...........slksdjflkjgsad..sdf.dshfolshjlkijdskglj.l.jgslkdlkjlkgjdslkgj and sdflkdsjfklslkdjljlksdf...sgjlsfj..."

That's not what I'm talking about.  I'm not talking about literally speaking what they're going to do out of the book.  Just little hints.  It usually takes a long time to make the reader think such things without just saying it or just turning it into something completely nasty.  That's why I usually say "No sexual relations between characters in fanfics".  I'm not opposed to it, but it's just too hard to include those things without including them or saying things about them for most people.
Title: LBT crossing overs, yes or no?
Post by: lbt/cty_lover on January 12, 2008, 11:51:16 AM
I somewhat like that philisophily (Yes, I misspell AND mispronounce philosophy).

Cross-overs can produce either good or bad results, depending on what the cross-over involves
Title: LBT crossing overs, yes or no?
Post by: DarkHououmon on January 12, 2008, 02:26:09 PM
Quote from: landbeforetimelover,Jan 12 2008 on  09:25 AM
Cross over LBT fanfics is a real no-no for me.  No other thing can be introduced into an LBT environment that already exists (like star wars or other tv show or book).  If you add your own characters that you made up on your own, then that's okay, but I just hate it when people put a couple of shows together.  It may start out okay, but then the writers find themselves desperately trying to improvise and put things together and it just turns out rediculous (like one I saw Littlefoot was battling Luke Skywalker in a lightsaber duel after turning to the dark side.)  Though these things may be sort of funny, people tend to get obsessed with them, degrading and humiliating the original movies of both sides in their stories and eventually losing the original point and plot of the individual movies they feature in their fanfic.  Quite sad. :(
I personally see nothing wrong with crossing things over in fanfiction. Crossover fanfics can be quite fun to experiment with in my opinion. While some crossovers can be bad, I admit, there are others that are just great and well written, well thought out.
Title: LBT crossing overs, yes or no?
Post by: Tails_155 on January 12, 2008, 02:39:20 PM
I made my vote against crossovers, but I have a clause stating if the quality is spectacular, and at least semi-'plausable' then it's alright... or if there's a complex reasoning, that's alright, but I don't like "let's put these together, because we can" crossovers
Title: LBT crossing overs, yes or no?
Post by: Sky on January 13, 2008, 12:44:18 PM
It depends on with what your're crossing over.
Crossing over LBT with, like LBTlover mentioned, Star Wars isn't a good idea.
It may be fun but the LBT feeling would get lost. I don't like such crossovers.

Crossing over LBT with, well, Dink the Little Dinosaur makes more sense to me.

Still, I'm a huge crossover fan, but not the rediculous ones.
Title: LBT crossing overs, yes or no?
Post by: lbt/cty_lover on January 13, 2008, 12:49:19 PM
Would you consider LBT and Eragon ridiculous?

Just curious.
Title: LBT crossing overs, yes or no?
Post by: Sky on January 13, 2008, 01:04:57 PM
Well, not that much like the Star Wars one.
LBT (way in the past) and Star Wars (way in the future) that just doesn't feel right.
Or it's because I don't like Sci-Fi.

But I haven't read your fanfic. But I might take a peek, though.
Title: LBT crossing overs, yes or no?
Post by: landbeforetimelover on January 13, 2008, 01:23:21 PM
To be honest, I didn't like eragon all that much so a crossover with eragon might prove interesting.  I'll only read a fanfic once it's completed though.  I've been left hanging too many times. -_-
Title: LBT crossing overs, yes or no?
Post by: Serris on January 13, 2008, 04:16:43 PM
I actually created an award for outstanding crossovers: The Grand Cross (The name is a pun)

Eligibility Rules:

Must be fan fiction

Must be a cross-over
Crossover -fusion of 2 or more books/movies/cartoons/games
At least 1 character from each work added to cross over must appear in it
At least 1 character from each work must play a role in the plot.
Cameo appearances are permitted only if the above 2 requirements are met
At least 1 character from each work must have lines
Exception: If it is stated that said character is mute
The setting does not count as a “character”

There is a maximum of 4 works fused together

May not contain sexual activity
Kissing, hugging, nuzzling, etc. are acceptable

Depictions of deaths are allowed but may not be excessively graphic

Character bashes are not allowed
Character bash - a fan fiction solely written to insult a character from the substrate fan fiction

Violence is permitted but excessive/graphic not allowed

Slash fiction is not allowed
Slash fiction – fan fiction solely written for the pairing of 2 characters together

There are no recipients as of now.
Title: LBT crossing overs, yes or no?
Post by: Mistress Dragon on January 26, 2008, 06:08:21 PM
I prefer sticking to just LBT only, but if it's something appropriate and not too over the top, then I don't mind the occasional crossover.  :P:
Title: LBT crossing overs, yes or no?
Post by: mcr mad on January 26, 2008, 09:28:14 PM
i perfur lbt not to but i'd like to see it cross over with gears of war or dragon ball z  :lol
Title: LBT crossing overs, yes or no?
Post by: Kor on January 26, 2008, 09:43:56 PM
crossovers can be interesting, though I prefer the the more pure lbt with only lbt characters, including original characters that could have been made over crossover stories and characters.
Title: LBT crossing overs, yes or no?
Post by: Chiletrek on January 26, 2008, 11:45:10 PM
Hello:
 I don't mind crossovers, if and when they aren't too unrealistic to any of the universes involved.
 And, if universes are going to be mixed, if done well, then it will be more than enjoyable to see, that's for sure :yes .
Title: LBT crossing overs, yes or no?
Post by: Malte279 on January 30, 2008, 04:48:21 AM
Does anyone here write a land before time story that is no crossing over and does not include anything that would have been impossible in the original land before time movies? I would really love to read such a story :yes
Title: LBT crossing overs, yes or no?
Post by: Kor on January 30, 2008, 05:33:24 AM
I am thinking of doing such a story with those traits, though I"m not sure if it would count.
Title: LBT crossing overs, yes or no?
Post by: Malte279 on January 30, 2008, 07:23:08 AM
With those traits you mean without crossing over elements or elements that would not have been included in one of the early LBT movies?
Title: LBT crossing overs, yes or no?
Post by: Kor on January 30, 2008, 11:56:42 AM
Not sure if it would count.  Was thinking maybe about doing a story of how my oc Diver (Ducky's sister) got to the great valley.
Title: LBT crossing overs, yes or no?
Post by: Chiletrek on January 30, 2008, 02:32:36 PM
Hello:
 That would be interesting, after all we know that all dinosaurs that came to the great valley have their own stories. I always look forward to read those stories.
Title: LBT crossing overs, yes or no?
Post by: Serris on January 30, 2008, 04:25:23 PM
Quote from: Malte279,Jan 30 2008 on  03:48 AM
Does anyone here write a land before time story that is no crossing over
My fanfic is a non-cross but I'm sure you won't like it. See: 1st Chapters of "LBT War Fanfic" (http://www.gangoffive.net/index.php?topic=2641).

It's still that "LBT War Fanfic" that you did not think was a good idea.
Title: LBT crossing overs, yes or no?
Post by: Kor on January 30, 2008, 05:09:47 PM
There can be many such stories of how each got to the great valley.  Or even how one may have gotten to another place as nice.
Title: LBT crossing overs, yes or no?
Post by: Malte279 on January 30, 2008, 06:44:22 PM
Your story idea sounds interesting Kor. But would it exclude any of the main characters from the movies (who were on their own way to the Great Valley)?
Quote
My fanfic is a non-cross but I'm sure you won't like it. See: 1st Chapters of "LBT War Fanfic".

It's still that "LBT War Fanfic" that you did not think was a good idea.
I admit that I don't think the assumptions your war idea is based on are fitting to the land before time as we know it from the movies. No offense or disrespect meant.

Looking at the pol though the idea of a non-crossing over true to the movies LBT story seems to be somewhat popular. Has anyone written such a story? I would be really interested in it.  :yes
Title: LBT crossing overs, yes or no?
Post by: The Great Valley Guardian on January 30, 2008, 08:03:28 PM
You can try my fanfic...it has no cross over material at all...


One Long Tail (http://www.gangoffive.net/index.php?topic=2125)
Title: LBT crossing overs, yes or no?
Post by: Kor on January 30, 2008, 08:13:47 PM
They may appear a bit at the very beginning.  I've not thought out the details in full.  Most of the story they'd be off doing what they did in the movie.  The adults would appear far earlier, perhaps, then they did in the movie where you don't see them again till the very end.  And there would be no magic nor powers at all.  I may use some of the seen usually in a cameo characters perhaps, not thought out all the details yet.  I'm slowly writing and posting to another forum and after not writing for many years think it maybe best to do 1 story at a time for now.
Title: LBT crossing overs, yes or no?
Post by: Littlefoot1616 on February 05, 2008, 09:52:46 AM
Personally, I've never really had any quarms over LBT crossovers. Having written one myself, I found it quite enjoyable being able to create a hybrid using characters I really like. Of course, everything has to be in moderation. You can't have too much of one side of the cross, it can just breed alienation of one element invading the other unnecessarily. Although, a story true to the essence of LBT seems to be very much a rarity to behold nowadays. Still, provided the prose is written well enough, either kinda of story (be it true to nature or mashed with other elements) can be equally as entertaining ;)
Title: LBT crossing overs, yes or no?
Post by: F-14 Ace on February 25, 2008, 10:57:59 PM
I've outgrown crossovers by now.  I pretty much only read true LBT fanfics.  Sadly, those seem to be hard to come by.
Title: LBT crossing overs, yes or no?
Post by: landbeforetimelover on February 26, 2008, 12:15:23 AM
Let me say this:  I have never read a good LBT fanfic that was a crossover.  It just doesn't work most of the time.  For those of you who are writing or going to write crossover fanfics, my advise to you is to FINISH them on your own, without posting any of you work until the book is completed.  That way, you don't go crazy and desperately try to make things work that just don't.
Title: LBT crossing overs, yes or no?
Post by: Kor on February 26, 2008, 12:29:23 AM
Normally I would not mind certain crossovers, but it seems I've come across to many.  Which makes sense, with a lot of folks wanting to do 1 crossover that can add up.
Title: LBT crossing overs, yes or no?
Post by: jedi472 on May 31, 2008, 04:34:07 PM
Quote from: landbeforetimelover,Jan 12 2008 on  08:25 AM
Cross over LBT fanfics is a real no-no for me.  No other thing can be introduced into an LBT environment that already exists (like star wars or other tv show or book).  If you add your own characters that you made up on your own, then that's okay, but I just hate it when people put a couple of shows together.  It may start out okay, but then the writers find themselves desperately trying to improvise and put things together and it just turns out rediculous (like one I saw Littlefoot was battling Luke Skywalker in a lightsaber duel after turning to the dark side.)  Though these things may be sort of funny, people tend to get obsessed with them, degrading and humiliating the original movies of both sides in their stories and eventually losing the original point and plot of the individual movies they feature in their fanfic.  Quite sad. :(

 
Really? I think the idea of Littlefoot going to the dark side is a little appealing, if morbid. (don't worry, I won't let it happen in my current fic)

By the way, do you know where I could fing that Star Wars/LBT crossover fic?
Title: LBT crossing overs, yes or no?
Post by: aabicus (LettuceBacon&Tomato) on June 13, 2008, 06:19:17 PM
I like crossovers better. If I wanted a LBT-only story, I'd watch one of the movies. Of course, it helps if the cross is with something I'm familiar with.

Jedi472, I'd have to say so far your SW/LBT fic is my favorite crossover I've read so far.
Title: LBT crossing overs, yes or no?
Post by: jedi472 on June 13, 2008, 06:23:39 PM
Thanks, LettuceBacon&Tomato! I was hoping that it would help make crossovers more appealing. A crossover is like a new kind of food. Screw up and everyone hates you for it, but create smoething interesting and suddenly everyone loves your creation. I simply try as best I can to turn my idea into words.
Title: LBT crossing overs, yes or no?
Post by: f-22 "raptor" ace on June 13, 2008, 06:26:38 PM
Quote from: jedi472,Jun 13 2008 on  05:23 PM
Thanks, LettuceBacon&Tomato! I was hoping that it would help make crossovers more appealing. A crossover is like a new kind of food. Screw up and everyone hates you for it, but create smoething interesting and suddenly everyone loves your creation. I simply try as best I can to turn my idea into words.
My next fanfic will be a major crossover.
Title: LBT crossing overs, yes or no?
Post by: jedi472 on June 13, 2008, 06:36:44 PM
Really? LBT and what?
Title: LBT crossing overs, yes or no?
Post by: jedi472 on June 15, 2008, 03:17:52 PM
Quote from: Serris,Jan 13 2008 on  03:16 PM
I actually created an award for outstanding crossovers: The Grand Cross (The name is a pun)

Eligibility Rules:

Must be fan fiction

Must be a cross-over
Crossover -fusion of 2 or more books/movies/cartoons/games
At least 1 character from each work added to cross over must appear in it
At least 1 character from each work must play a role in the plot.
Cameo appearances are permitted only if the above 2 requirements are met
At least 1 character from each work must have lines
Exception: If it is stated that said character is mute
The setting does not count as a “character”

There is a maximum of 4 works fused together

May not contain sexual activity
Kissing, hugging, nuzzling, etc. are acceptable

Depictions of deaths are allowed but may not be excessively graphic

Character bashes are not allowed
Character bash - a fan fiction solely written to insult a character from the substrate fan fiction

Violence is permitted but excessive/graphic not allowed

Slash fiction is not allowed
Slash fiction – fan fiction solely written for the pairing of 2 characters together

There are no recipients as of now.
Yeah, about the sexual activity, would you think it'd be OK if I had my main character in my current fic engage in sexual activity in the planned sequel to my story, without any description of said events, only acknowledgement that it happened?
Title: LBT crossing overs, yes or no?
Post by: Kor on June 15, 2008, 04:01:14 PM
It depends on the site.  Here there are some folks under 18 so I'm not sure, one of the admin will say if what is ok for this site, I'd assume not for here since it is an all ages site and LBT themed on top of that.   If you're posting it on another site it depends on the rules for that site.  Some may be ok with it as long as you can label the appropriate ages or movie like ratings or something.
Title: LBT crossing overs, yes or no?
Post by: Amaranthine on June 15, 2008, 08:54:39 PM
Hmmm, I don't know...it depends on the cross over I guess...

I personally can't stand it when people cross over LBT with some shows or movies what just make one go, "WTH??" :blink: Like LBT/Halo. Halo is an excessively violent video game where everyone is shooting everyone, so if someone crossed it with LBT, it would just be weird.

Maybe a crossover like Ice Age/LBT would be pretty fun because even though the characters aren't in the same time periods, one could make fun of that theory of the dinosaurs being frozen for many years and then suddenly come to life and Manny, Sid, and Deigo would look at the kids and go,  :huh: and a good plot could start from there.

I say if the story is well written, well structured, and the cross-over sounds a bit realistic, or even if it isn't but how the crossover is made up is great, then I really don't see a problem with crossing over different fiction universes with each other :D
Title: LBT crossing overs, yes or no?
Post by: jedi472 on June 16, 2008, 12:29:00 PM
Yeah. LBT and Halo could actually work, as I have seen a couple fics with that premise, a long as LBT characters don't participate in too much violent actions. Everything must be in moderation.

And as for the "sexual activity" I was talking about earlier, the readers would only find out about it because Markus tells someone shortly after. Would that be OK? I mean, my story is technically PG-13, so I think it fits in the boundaries of both the rating and the web site.
Title: LBT crossing overs, yes or no?
Post by: jedi472 on July 29, 2008, 05:51:57 PM
Sorry to dig up this old topic, but I had to ask something. In this thread people talk about "staying true to the essence of LBT". What is the essence of LBT?
Title: LBT crossing overs, yes or no?
Post by: aabicus (LettuceBacon&Tomato) on July 29, 2008, 05:57:26 PM
The "essense" is the theme or quality. Basically what makes it LBT. Qualities like optimism, morality, and a generally upbeat story.

Personally, if I wanted something with all that, I'd go watch one of the movies. The awesome thing about fanfiction is that you can do whatever you want. Why stick to the "essense" like it's holy writ? Write something new, something that could never appear in canon LBT. That's what makes it unique and worth reading.
Title: LBT crossing overs, yes or no?
Post by: jedi472 on July 29, 2008, 06:12:21 PM
See, that's what I thought. I understand that not all other books/movies.TV share those qualities, but I think Star Wars has the very same things at its core and therefore is a perfect match, provided it's detailed and true to both series in terms of story. So what if the story has warfare and battles in it? As long as the character's personalities are not warped into something completely different, why not?

And lots of other stories have these values, too. So the potential for crossovers is virtually unlimited, and as long as reasonable plots accompany these stories, their potential for enjoyment is also unlimited.
Title: LBT crossing overs, yes or no?
Post by: Serris on July 29, 2008, 06:14:20 PM
Quote from: Kor,Jun 15 2008 on  04:01 PM
It depends on the site.  Here there are some folks under 18 so I'm not sure, one of the admin will say if what is ok for this site, I'd assume not for here since it is an all ages site and LBT themed on top of that.   If you're posting it on another site it depends on the rules for that site.  Some may be ok with it as long as you can label the appropriate ages or movie like ratings or something.
The rules is for an award I made: "Grand Cross Award". They are not from any site.

Jedi, the amount of sexual activity in your sequel is within acceptable for the award.


Title: LBT crossing overs, yes or no?
Post by: f-22 "raptor" ace on July 29, 2008, 06:16:23 PM
Quote from: Serris,Jul 29 2008 on  05:14 PM
Quote from: Kor,Jun 15 2008 on  04:01 PM
It depends on the site.  Here there are some folks under 18 so I'm not sure, one of the admin will say if what is ok for this site, I'd assume not for here since it is an all ages site and LBT themed on top of that.   If you're posting it on another site it depends on the rules for that site.  Some may be ok with it as long as you can label the appropriate ages or movie like ratings or something.
The rules is for an award I made: "Grand Cross Award". They are not from any site.

Jedi, the amount of sexual activity in your sequel is within acceptable for the award.
For my next fanfic the cross over I have a lot of work because I'm over two movie series and a game series over with LBT.
Title: LBT crossing overs, yes or no?
Post by: jedi472 on July 29, 2008, 06:16:50 PM
OK, but I haven't even done any yet. It was an idea for the sequel, in which Markus will get romanticaly invovled.
Title: LBT crossing overs, yes or no?
Post by: jedi472 on July 30, 2008, 10:13:54 AM
What movies/game are you using for yor crossover F22?
Title: LBT crossing overs, yes or no?
Post by: f-22 "raptor" ace on July 30, 2008, 10:45:15 AM
Movies star trek and star wars as for the game it'll be Ace Combat so I'll have a lot of work when I get started
Title: LBT crossing overs, yes or no?
Post by: jedi472 on July 30, 2008, 10:46:23 AM
Interesting! I look forward to reading it.