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Beyond the Mysterious Beyond => Hobbies and Recreation => Computer and Electronics => Topic started by: Lillefot on November 29, 2008, 11:21:26 AM
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I was wondering if the Mac users here could help with answering some questions regarding Mac. Especially iMac if anyone own it.
Not just Mac users, I'm sure PC people could tell aswell.
Right now I have these four questions below, you may re-direct me to some guides if you have one.
-What should one know when changing from PC to Mac for the first time?
-What are good specs for an iMac?
-Which PC programs work on Mac?
-What's the differences between the Mac OS's?
Would be very thankful if you could provide a hand on this one! :)
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What should one know when changing from PC to Mac for the first time?
Well #1, if you want a decent mac, be prepared to spend at least $2,700. It's infuriating because you could get a PC with the same specs (or maybe better) for $800. #2, be prepared to replace almost all of your programs, for most of them won't work under the mac OS operating system. You could run a PC emulator on your mac, but I'm not gonna lie......it sucks. You'd have to dual boot with XP. Sure that solves your problems now, but no one has been able to dual boot mac OS and Vista. What makes you think they'll be able to dual boot with windows 7? Macs just aren't very powerful when you compare them to PC's. They really don't need to be. Their OS takes up about 1/10 of the resources than MS's OS (I'm going off of practical usage, NOT what each OS says on the box since MS lies). Your best solution is to replace all your current programs with programs that work on the mac OS, which is expensive and not very practical. In terms of piracy.....well mac programs don't have hardly any protection at all against it (except for a few major programs such as photoshop and other programs that work on both PC's and macs). In order to switch to a mac, you must be willing to spend A LOT of money and replace some of your programs for ones that might not work as well. If you've used PC's for over 3 years, chances are the switch to mac will be painful. Same goes for mac users. It's just what you've grown up with. Changing it is very hard.
What are good specs for an iMac?
I'd say you'd need at least a core2duo 2.4ghz processor, 2gb of ram, and a 200gb hard drive to use a mac effectively with 10.5. If you're gonna be gouged by a mac's high prices, you might as well go all out though and get better.
Which PC programs work on Mac?
As I stated above, you can dual boot or run an emulator, but only major programs run on both macs and PC's.
What's the differences between the Mac OS's?
HUGE. Go with 10.5. It's got a billion more things than 10.4. Even the versions 10.4.2 and 10.4.8 have significant differences. Go with the best. When a new OS or a new version of the OS comes out, upgrade immediately.
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To conclude this lengthy questionnaire, I would say to get a decent mac brand new and to get all the programs and accessories you'd want, have at least $5,000. Get one used and use pirated software (both of these options I would suggest against) and spend at least $1,500. Don't have that much money to throw away on a mac? Don't even try to go cheapo. Wait until you've got the money and then spend it on a mac.
Oh, and here's an example of the MINIMUM I would buy:
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/sys/921567767.html (http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/sys/921567767.html)
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The one I've been looking at goes like this:
Processor: 2,66 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
RAM memory: 2GB 800MHz DDR2 SDRAM - 2x1GB
HD: 320GB Serial ATA Drive
Graphics: ATI Radeon HD 2600 PRO 256 MB
OS: OS X Leopard
Screen size: 20'
Fills the requirements for a good Mac?
11965 SEK is the price. That's about 1 471,58 USD. Fair price for me(it's considerable), I could boost in 79,94 USD to get a 500 GB HD. And 169,73 USD for 4GB RAM. Don't know if it's worth it?
Practicaly, I've been using a PC for not even a year. :p (I was not into computers before)
I have a few programs that would have to run on Mac in order to consider it.
Photoshop for example. I've been looking up some on which programs that work, and which doesn't. So far, no bigger problems.
How about if one should compare a Windows OS (XP or Vista) with Mac's?
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How about if one should compare a Windows OS (XP or Vista) with Mac's?
Just looking at the OS's, Mac OS 10.5 is far superior to Vista. XP is better than all other versions of mac though. I just wouldn't go mac man unless you really need a program that only a mac computer can run. If you bought a brand new PC for about $1,000 today, it would be usable for another 5 years or so, but if you bought a brand new mac for $1,500 today, it would be pretty much obsolete in less than 2 years.
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If we should look at a PC that I've checked out aswell then,
Fujitsu-Siemens SCALEO Pa 2666-30P
Processor: AMD Quad Core Phenom 9500
Graphics: ATI HD 3850 PRO 512MB
RAM: 3 GB
HD: 1000GB HÂrddisk
OS: Vista Premium
5990 SEK (736,71 USD)
But really?
Isn't the same with all things?
I honestly don't belive there's any product in our industrialized world that last popular or top notch more than 2 years! Even less! If everyone were to follow that, I think the system would go nuts.
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You can't just look at the specs like that. The max memory expansion of that mac is probably 4gb, while the PC can probably handle 8gb or maybe even 16gb. The PC is a MUCH better deal.
AMD Quad Core Phenom 9500
That's a damn good processor, loads better than the mac processor.
But really?
Isn't the same with all things?
I honestly don't belive there's any product in our industrialized world that last popular or top notch more than 2 years! Even less! If everyone were to follow that, I think the system would go nuts.
Well yeah, the PC wouldn't look so hot after 5 years, but you could at least upgrade it to the latest OS and use it, whereas the mac after 2 years or so couldn't handle the latest OS and would be pretty useless when it came to modern day computing.
EDIT: I would show you an HP because they're a much better deal, but I can't because they've changed their website to flash based and my internet is sooooooooo slow right now (I don't have internet yet and am using the local pizza place's wifi). Just check out hp.com and you'll find a MUCH better PC with at least 8gb of ram for $800.
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But that's probably isn't it? And since when does a medium user of computers need 8 or 16 GB of RAM? Isn't that a bit of an overkill?
And I belive the obsolete matter are the same for both, in case of use.
I mean, there are both old PCs and old Macs out there, and both might work as a charm, for the user that owns them, am I right?
As these are same for everyone, I think one cannot compare on this matter.
People will always buy new stuff. What happends to the old is up to the alone user.
Atleast that's what I belive.
Yes, it's a better processor.
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A question that I'd like to ask all Mac users here:
-Why did you choose Mac?/what made you change to Mac?/what is it with Mac that you like?
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But that's probably isn't it? And since when does a medium user of computers need 8 or 16 GB of RAM? Isn't that a bit of an overkill?
Not many need 8-16gb of ram, but I can guarantee you that in a year or so, 8gb will be the standard max memory expansion. It's best to get a computer that you can upgrade so it doesn't go obsolete in a year. Crucial.com will give you 8gb of DDR2 ram for really cheap.
-Why did you choose Mac?/what made you change to Mac?/what is it with Mac that you like?
Let me just give you a pro and cons list for a PC and a Mac.
Macs:
Pros:
1. No Viruses, Spyware, or other junk.
2. Operating System requires little or no maintenance.
3. Very good for video editing.
4. They look hella sweet. :D
5. Can dual boot with XP
Cons:
1. Expensive
2. Low power
3. Expensive programs
4. Expensive accessories
5. Get obsolete about twice as fast as PC's
6. Slim selection of programs
7. Not very upgradable
8. Not many techs work on them
PC's:
Pros:
1. Cheap
2. Tons of programs work with them
3. Can dual boot mac os
4. 99% of people know how to use them
5. Very Expandable
6. High power
7. Most techs can work on them
Cons:
1. Viruses and other junk
2. .......I really can't think of anything else.
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There will be a day when the minimum program will require 8G of ram, then 16G of ram to run. Games will one day require that just to run things on minimum settings. You may not think so, but back in the 80's I remember some saying, 256k of ram, no program will require more then that. Guess what?
If one is considering Mac or Windows os, why not some others like Linux too?
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Seeing the list, I'll stick with a PC, thank you very much! Despite the problems I've suffered, I'm willing to deal with it all.
Just a little question, how is it that Macs don't get viruses and other junk? Considering everything, I didn't think that was actually possible. What's their secret?
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I would guess part of the reason is windows is a huge target compared to any other os. Though there are other reasons too I'd imagine.
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Just a little question, how is it that Macs don't get viruses and other junk? Considering everything, I didn't think that was actually possible. What's their secret?
Crackers and virus makers are low-life b*******. They would never spend that kind of money for a mac when they can just go and get a PC for 1/4 of the cost. Besides that, PC's have always been more popular than macs. Why attack the type of computer with the smaller user base? Also, the mac OS is programmed with a combination of Java and C, whereas the windows OS is programmed mainly in C++, which is a more widely known, used, and accepted form of programming language.
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Just a little question, how is it that Macs don't get viruses and other junk? Considering everything, I didn't think that was actually possible. What's their secret?
Crackers and virus makers are low-life b*******. They would never spend that kind of money for a mac when they can just go and get a PC for 1/4 of the cost. Besides that, PC's have always been more popular than macs. Why attack the type of computer with the smaller user base? Also, the mac OS is programmed with a combination of Java and C, whereas the windows OS is programmed mainly in C++, which is a more widely known, used, and accepted form of programming language.
First off, even without that kind of background info, I would also agree with calling crackers "low-life b*******" because of what they do to you. Especially with the stuff like Rootkits. (Read about that if you must know on how I found out.) *shudders* Scares me just thinking about it.
Second, even with unpopularity on their side, I'm sure there are a few exceptions. I'm sure there have been at least a few that do that bad stuff with a mac.
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As I tried a macbook with Leopard for the whole day today, I got to try it out.
It felt as f I had used the OS all my life. I was very satishfied!
One thing that bothered me though was the lack of fullscreen windows. But I think there are fixes or something for that, as I googled the issue.
Other than that, I like it alot! :D
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You like it better then windows?
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It felt as f I had used the OS all my life. I was very satishfied!
Yeah the mac OS is clean and efficient, but what matters is how it works, not what it looks or feels like. Have you installed a program yet? How about set up a wireless and wired network connection? Have you messed around in the mac OS "control panel"? Switching to a mac isn't something to be taken lightly. Most mac users don't do much of anything except video and graphics editing. If you want to do much else, you're gonna be sorely disappointed. Sure you can dual boot windows or run it in an emulator now, but what about in the future? It's a switch I'm personally incapable of making. I need windows and a PC too much. Mac really does seem like the way to go right now 'cuz it's the "best of both worlds", but in the future it probably won't be like that. Keep that in mind. The future is only a few short years away.
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It felt as f I had used the OS all my life. I was very satishfied!
Yeah the mac OS is clean and efficient, but what matters is how it works, not what it looks or feels like. Have you installed a program yet? How about set up a wireless and wired network connection? Have you messed around in the mac OS "control panel"? Switching to a mac isn't something to be taken lightly. Most mac users don't do much of anything except video and graphics editing. If you want to do much else, you're gonna be sorely disappointed. Sure you can dual boot windows or run it in an emulator now, but what about in the future? It's a switch I'm personally incapable of making. I need windows and a PC too much. Mac really does seem like the way to go right now 'cuz it's the "best of both worlds", but in the future it probably won't be like that. Keep that in mind. The future is only a few short years away.
No, I have not. Borrowed the machine you know.
Yes, I plugged in my wireless Huawei device.
Yes, I looked at every option in the Mac's control panel. I was searching for large differences. I didn't find one that would drive me nuts.
That's what I'm going to do. I don't play games, I don't open my buckets. (it would probably broke for my hands anyway! :P:)
To this point, a majority of what I do on a PC worked on the Mac aswell.
As I stated in my earlier posts... the future doesn't worry me one bit. As I take examples from both sides. I'm fine with my selection, either with a Mac or a new PC.
Besides, I'm not selling my laptop. So I got it both ways if I change.
Kor, no. I'm still speculating. But they are quite the even to me right now.
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Best to weigh the various options one has, instead of just 1 or 2 options, but more & take time and care thinking them out, doing research and thinking.
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Best to weigh the various options one has, instead of just 1 or 2 options, but more & take time and care thinking them out, doing research and thinking.
You're describing my procedure now. :D
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I'm going to poke a hole in your balloon by saying if you're not going to do any graphics-intensive or audio work, why do you honestly *need* a Mac considering their price in comparision to Windows? There is a lot of software for Windows that has no Mac version. Write down everything you use on a Windows pc, and then google around and see if there is a Mac version. If you can't live without a certain program, do not make the switch.
I'm not trying to lure you away from a mac, but I don't think you're digging deep enough into the differences.
And don't believe the BS that Macs can't get viruses. They can. Someone did it already. Far fewer for sure, but no computer is entirely safe.
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And don't believe the BS that Macs can't get viruses. They can. Someone did it already. Far fewer for sure, but no computer is entirely safe.
That's true. I've heard of this belief that Macs are invulnerable to viruses, but that isn't true. Most viruses are written for PCs, yes, but some are written for the Macs. It's not very common for a Mac to get infected, but it's not impossible.
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Yes there are viruses for macs, but there are so few of them you can count them on one hand. Most of the time they're in torrents anyway so just be legal and you'll be fine. Some of the more.....dedicated crackers have been trying to write mac viruses, but most of them are stupid and write code that isn't coded properly. That'll work okay on a PC, but a mac is VERY specific about the code it'll allow to run. If there's even one minor error, it stops the code, whereas a PC will try to debug the program automatically and even try to skip errors in the code (to an extent).
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I actually heard there was around 60 Mac viruses, though another source said about 4. I do think there's more Mac viruses than you can count on one hand, but I don't think there's a lot of them that are currently active. Still, it wouldn't hurt to get antivirus on a Mac just to be sure. Although antivirus is not necessary on a Mac considering the low chances of getting a virus, it doesn't hurt to have an antivirus handy in case it does happen.
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Pc's are likely easier to write code for perhaps, and the windows system is a very large target, a thing that would likely attract many of those sorts of folks.
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I'm still in the research.
I have some meetings in the upcoming weeks, where I hope to get more things clear.
As Petrie said, no machine's entirely safe. Of which I am aware.
I'm not trying to lure you away from a mac, but I don't think you're digging deep enough into the differences.
Thanks. It has only been a week since I started digging in this. Give me a bigger shovel?
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I personally believe in the freedom of choice. I know, the cost is going to burn a hole in ones wallet, but if this is what Gustav wants to do, then he should be allowed to make this decision... I'm not trying to get personal with anybody, and I know that everyone else is only stating what they believe to be best, but really, it's his decision. Now, anyone else have any suggestions for him? Something tangible that he can use as a guide? Well, I mean, from the Mac end? Anybody ever own one?
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I personally believe in the freedom of choice. I know, the cost is going to burn a hole in ones wallet, but if this is what Gustav wants to do, then he should be allowed to make this decision... I'm not trying to get personal with anybody, and I know that everyone else is only stating what they believe to be best, but really, it's his decision.
True, true. Though I appriciate all the opinions I get, but I do wonder wher all the Mac users around here have gone? I'd like their point of view aswell.
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I only know one mac user - lbt/cty lover
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Yeah. There aren't many mac users period. GOF's lucky to have even 1 of them.
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Macs are trendy, PC's are common.
Mac's have better hardware because there is no such thing as third party. All Apple hardware is made BY apple and apple can charge whatever they want because noone else can make parts for a Mac.
Mac's software is just as flawed as PC's. But their lack of third party coders to fix the flaws affords PC's the edge in that even if Microsoft doesn't fix it. Palin's famous Joe the Plumber may have a brother Harry the Hacker that fixes the problem.
It's in choice. New software for the mac is slower to come out, Macs run better hardware-wise but tend not do have as stable of an operating system. Macs are more expensive hands down. I'll have to say its a myth that Macs run image software better as a rule. I've seem a windows machine open a banner in 30 seconds when a mac took 5 minutes.
Do you want a product that has more hardware reliability and less software stability for more money and with fewer repair locations that are guaranteed?
Or a product with less hardware reliability and more software stability for less money with a nearly infinite number of repair locations that include the neighbors kid and range from awesome to ripoff?
~Tobe
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Interesting Topic you have here. It game me a good view about macs and all this stuff. Right now I am okay with my Vista.
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question my computer is a base windows and mac.
hers the question
do the windows os detect the mac os?
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Are you asking if you can access files you create on your mac OS partition using your windows partition?
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yes like a virus that can pass even the another hard drive is hidden or cannot seen by a win XP and mac OS
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A mac virus will do nothing to a PC OS. A PC virus will do nothing to a mac OS. Files are transferable, but only ones that can be commonly read by both operating systems (Such as jpg, avi, mov, and so forth). Any mac file will show up on a PC and any PC file will show up on a mac, but just because they show up doesn't mean that either OS can read them. A PC handles unreadable mac files by calling them "File". A mac just shows the PC file extension when available. If no file extension is available, it just uses "File" as well, but it's rarer to see this in a mac than it is in a PC.