The Gang of Five
Beyond the Mysterious Beyond => The Fridge => Topic started by: Noname on May 30, 2009, 06:20:29 PM
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Dang it! I wasn't here to vote... I was busy. Why is it that I never am able to get anything here? I've contributed to many, many parts of this forum...
And I am easily either the most or second-most prolific role-player here... just look at how fast my RP grew!
If there was an award for underappreciated member, I'd win it...
I can't believe that it will be a whole dang YEAR before I might have the chance again...
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No offense, but what is with you, Noname? So you didn't win an award. Big deal. I don't think you'll encourage many people to vote for you with this kind of attitude. I didn't win an award last year and I didn't get upset about it.
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(sigh)... I know. It's just that I've been doing everything that the winners have done (except fanart and music) for years... and have been here a lot longer than they have been without any recognition.
It's easy for you to say that... look at all of the awards that you have won!
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Well, there still is the appreciated member award Noname.. And for next year you should focus on one award that you think you could win, and make your case over the next year by working in projects or roleplaying or what have you.. Roleplaying usually gets the fewest votes.. so all it takes is a few votes there to win it..
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I've been waiting for years already! Is there some way to split the runner-up RP vote? I made an effort to raise my profile here, but it wasn't enough!
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Patience and resolve will see you through.. An award won after a long time striving for it, is much sweeter.. the long hours put in to get it, makes winning it that much more special.. There is nothing you can do, at this moment, to affect the votes cast this year.. But next year , is a whole other matter..
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Next year? They said that the last time... and the time before that! Sorry if I am so unpleasant... I would be happy to walk away with a token prize... I've been doing all I can to raise my status here.
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I understand your frustration, however you aren't doing yourself a favor by acting this way, Noname. Just be patient and keep trying. If you don't get an award next year, just keep trying and see if you'll win it the year after that, and so on and so forth.
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I am not looking to wait another year! That is too long! Another year won't help me, since several years have already passed without recognition.
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Kacie is right. Public complaining doesn't win much sympathy. All you can do is accept the vote, and move on, and work harder the next time around..
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... I don't believe that anything I do will win me much... I've been contributing here for a long time at levels equal to the winner in most ways (except for fanart.)
I'm just looking for recognition for what I have already done. I will continue to increase my output, though.
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I'd even take a "veteran member" token. The only reason that I am not being awarded is a matter of popularity.
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No offense, Noname but I (and probably others) find wearing an award you didn't win rather tasteless.
But I do appreciate you working with me on Action's LBT game project (especially the "Combat" thread).
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Nick22 gave me permission to have an honorable mention. This wasn't the first time I've had to fight for recognition on a site... but it usually pays off.
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Nick22 gave me permission to have an honorable mention. This wasn't the first time I've had to fight for recognition on a site... but it usually pays off.
I never really thought fighting was necessary to get recognition.
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Most groups in world history have had to fight some other force to get recognition, and often, when they are recognized, they flourish and outshine the previous group which had kept them down.
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I am not looking to wait another year! That is too long! Another year won't help me, since several years have already passed without recognition.
Noname its ok, next year isn't totally far away if you think about it. I knew I wasn't going to win any awards this year even though I been here for 2 years. What really matter is try and share as much as you can with the other members and have fun, will pay off sooner than you think.
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It is VERY far away for me... seriously... a whole YEAR? And I won't likely win anything then either! How come I never did before?! Really, I've done everything the winners have ever done except for fanart and music! It is based on personal preference, not merit! The only thing I did NOT do was make an Avatar until today and there were times when I could not log in due to being busy!
If not for me complaining, I wouldn't have gotten this "honorable mention"! I don't want to wait a year for a sympathy vote! I just want my due, like anyone would want. I wish there were some extra category that I could be voted for... I mean, hardly anyone even CONSIDERED me for the voting, and I have been here since near the very start!
They are just basing most of the votes off of how many times one shows up and how flashy one looks, not actual substance!
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Alright Noname that is enough.. You have been here since 2006, this board was founded in 2003. The first year of the awards was 2006, you were first eligible in 2007. You will have to wait the year, as will all of those who did not win this year. Complaining publicly will not get you any sympsathy.. I have been patient with you, explaining what you can do to make you case for next year as strong as possible..
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I know... that changes nothing, but... I know. I was active, but it isn't paying off... why not? I have done all that they have done... and nothing! :anger
Yes, I understand that you cannot bend things all for just one member of the forum...
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It simply doesn't pay off.. and that happens sometimes. You can be active nearly every day, post dozens or hundereds of times a week, and while that may get you consideration, it does not guarantee you sucess. such is the nature of dedemocracy, when you give people lots of options.. they will not always pick the option, you'd prefer..
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I know... but, there is a point at which things become unfair... such as an electorate which never elected a woman or a minority.
Can I open a poll asking if the community would like to let me share the real status of "RP gamer" to confirm it then?
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Yes, but that poll will not recieve many votes in your favor.. If you put up this poll, do not be surprised if it recieves few votes, or if it does recieve its fair share that iit is overwhelming ly against you... You have to be patient Noname.. While you are correct in your assertation the anaology you are trying to make falls apart.. So you were busy during the voting period? So was I! So was petrie! So were all the admins. Yet we made time to vote.. You are not being discrimated against here Noname.. you simply do not like the outcome..
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Why do you think the poll will go that way? I am not asking to TAKE anyone's award, merely to share in it.
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Noname...let me ask you something. Do you ever interact with other members of GOF outside of the forums? If not, maybe you should try that. Let people get to know you, not for what you post and for how active you are, but for WHO you are.
Also, what award would you like to win? Pick one and go for it. Forget about the other ones. If you want to be a good RPer then work on your grammar and English skills and spend your free time trying to be creative. If you want one for fanart, practice your drawing skills and post lots of projects. There are things you can do and frankly if you're not getting what you want from this place then you need to try harder. The people here are as nice and friendly as you're ever gonna see. We hold no grudge against you and our voting was and will never be biased.
EDIT: Forgot a word. God I'm tired. :bang
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I never said that anyone held a grudge against me... and yes, I have contacted quite a few people outside of this forum. I am aiming for the RP award, but can take anything else... except for fan-art. I cannot draw living beings very well.
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Well then I see two possible reasons why you're not getting the award you want. It's either #1 that you're not the best RPer on the forum or #2 that you need to spice up your avatar and signature more. To be perfectly honest with you, I remember members by their avatars and signature. I forget about your existence when I haven't seen you post for a day or two. You need to associate something with your name so people remember you more. That would be my best suggestion.
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The it might as well be called "the best-remembered award." That kind of defeats the purpose of naming awards by merit.
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Look at all the people who won awards Noname. NONE of them have no avatar or no signature. I'm sorry but we as humans can't physically remember the usernames of our approximately 150 active members without some sort of visual aid. It's part of our nature as humans. It's not about being flashy. Avatars and signatures play a big part in our impact on forums and on the internet.
EDIT: Forgot a word again. :bang
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Actually I didn't have signature until I won these two awards.. just for clarification...
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I know.
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Actually I didn't have signature until I won these two awards.. just for clarification...
Yeah, but your username is in a different color from the rest of the regular members, is it not? It's much easier to remember when you're only 1 in 5 of the members that post that has that color of username.
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I'd say aim for one award; it's a lot easier.
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His is more memorable than most.
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That is true.. so I had a slight advantage there.. anyway.. this thread is for people voting..
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It was like those social sites where you have to have a picture or no one notices you... THAT was my problem. I now have an avatar. While I'm not counting on it to fix everything, I contend that if I had had it a week ago, I would have been considered more seriously, or even won something in the voting.
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I wonder if this should be discussed in a seperate topic.
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I think we should split it off as it has gone pretty far off track.
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I wonder if this should be discussed in a seperate topic.
No. I think if this conversation is to continue, it should continue either off the board or through PMs and emails.
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Noname, you must remove that award from your signature again.
No single admin can make the decision to grant an award to anyone. Such decisions require the agreement of at least three admins. Which you did not get.
There is a good example why you did not get so much attention in this vote, as you just did not participate in the whole vote. Even if every single member of the GOF had voted for you on every single award existing you would, by the rules, not be entitled to get it because you did not cast a single vote yourself. You cannot expect to be recognized without giving some recognition yourself and you, noname, just didn't.
There is another thing that you may be happy to hear but that also goes to show that your participation in the GOF is shallow in a sense. If it was not you would be aware that in fact you ARE actually entitled to one award. You joined back in 2006 and have remained active ever since. Therefore you are fully entitled to wear this award:
(http://i547.photobucket.com/albums/hh475/Malte279/GOF%20Awards/2006.jpg)
We take great care to prevent any arbitrary votes or any nepotism (that's one of the purposes of the explanatory lines), but giving people a good reason to vote for you on a particular award and voting yourself are the absolute preconditions to get an award in the vote. We cannot allow people to be awarded for complaining about not receiving an award.
You are fully entitled to add the award displayed in this message to your signature (as you would have known if you followed the threads in the GOF more closely), but you must remove that "honorable mention" award from your thread.
Honorable mentions themselves however may perhaps be a good idea in the signatures. I think there would be nothing wrong if people wanted to copy paste the lines of any award votes in which they and their accomplishments are mentioned to their signatures.
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I am sorry Noname. I like you very much, but what you are doing here is just childish. I am sorry but it¥s true. You can read my statetement to this in the awards thread Kacie opened, I am not going to write this again here..
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I think those who have "runner ups" next to their award lines need to remove them. If you were the winner or runner up in a category, you won the award for the year. That's the way the rules worked. About the only thing you need to do is make sure you're not using the same picture as the other person.
noname...you can't vote yourself for the award no matter how much you think you deserve it. This is a community activity, not an individual one. If the community voted for you, you would receive the award. If they didn't, well, tough luck....that's life. I haven't won anything in three years and you don't hear me whining about it. You need to remove that award within the next day or the admins will.
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Noname, I know exactly how you feel, believe me. Read my post in the other topic for yourself. However, although I understand your feelings, it does not mean I agree with them. You are entitled to your own opinion, I'm not going to try and change it. I will try to help you realize the truth about the matter though, and I want this to sound as nice as possible.
It really doesn't matter if you get an award. Awards, recognitions, honors, etc... are not what make people who they are. People don't remember soldiers in the army for the medals they are given or the honors named after them. People remember them for what they did in order to be recognized for the award. People remember soldiers for running back into the heat of a gunfight to save their comrade. To shy away from war, people remembered Rosa Parks even though she didn't receive an award (at least not to my knowledge, correct me if I'm wrong), because she stood up for her beliefs and would not let society tell her otherwise.
I'm trying not to make this sound like a lecture, which is probably failing miserably :lol: , but the whole point is you can't let an award tell you you are a good person, and you can't let not having an award tell you that you are not a bad person. I had to realize this the hard way, but I understand it. I was hoping to get an award, and I didn't. I used to be frustrated, but now I'm completely fine with it. Heck, now I'm just happy I was even nominated for an award this year, and I know sooner or later if I try harder I will get one, but that's not the point.
If you really want something, you have to work hard at it, and ONLY that. But honestly, you shouldn't do something for an award. You should do it because you want to and that you enjoy it.
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I added the 2006 award instead.
My participation is not "shallow in a sense" because I was not here all of the time; I have real-life responsibilities to take care of as well, as I was busy recently. One should look at the whole of the participation of a member, and not just a snippet going back a month or so before the voting.
If you had an issue with the "honorable mention" award, which has been replaced with a real one... you could have brought it up with the one who had granted me one... Nick22. Although, I must ask you, what IS it that you had against him granting it to me... I mean REALLY! It makes no real difference to the forum...
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We cannot allow people to be awarded for complaining about not receiving an award.
I agree with this. Giving an award for complaining about not having one will only nurture the bad behavior, in my opinion. If someone has to complain about not recieving an award so they would get it, I feel they don't deserve that award. No offense intended or anything. I just don't believe it's fair or morally sound to be granted an award by complaining.
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I don't want that to happen either; really, I don't. It is not a complaint which EVER merits an award, but the reasons one gives, especially if they are valid.
If nothing else, I will probably win the "proactive" award next time... if you have any way of observing my participation... it will be going way, way, WAY up.
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If you had an issue with the "honorable mention" award, which has been replaced with a real one... you could have brought it up with the one who had granted me one... Nick22. Although, I must ask you, what IS it that you had against him granting it to me... I mean REALLY! It makes no real difference to the forum...
None of us even realized that was the case. We've changed rules in recent times to prevent that from happening so one admin can't make sweeping changes without others to approve of it as well. As it stands, we didn't allow this "honorable mention" so nobody gets that.
Thank you for your understanding.
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I understand and will not seek to get that "honorable mention" back on my sig... although I'd hardly call that a "sweeping change."
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Noname. as Fox of these forums, I'll go ahead and grant you an award.
How's this sound for a tap: The Most Persistent Member Award!
I'll try to find a picture of Cera trying too hard. xD
on the bright side, you've been here long enough for several people to know you. So what if you didn't win an award this year. Niether did I!
The award thing in my opinion is just for fun. Take Nick's advise and just pick something and try harder. Dont be such a nag! Your still a welcome member here.
so smile =)
life is good
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I've not trying to be a "nag", I'm just rather... indignant... but thanks anyway.
And my efforts payed off! Look, I got a "Member of 2006" award, which, had I not been the "squeaky wheel", I would not have gotten.
As it is, getting mad is no good' I'll just get even. A whole year is a long blasted time to wait... so I will increase my posting level over that time from moderate to much, much higher.
If anyone has anything which can measure posts by the day, look for my number of posts to be much higher after May 30th relative to my previous time...
If I have 150 posts a day for a year... that is far more than anyone else... and I will improve the quality as well as quantity...
But my talking about what I will do won't really win me anything, so I will just post until everyone knows my name... publicity really helps here.
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150 posts a day over the neext 6 months. you'll be looking at around 27000 posts.. posting at that rate isn't healthy no name..
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150 is probably an exaggeration... I won't really have that sort of time for long. As it is, many of those are just one-word posts on the party room activities.
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Not to burst your bubble noname, but if I'm correct every active member who joined GOF in 2006 would get that award, so you probably didn't need to be the "squeeky wheel" to get, because you most likely would have gotten it anyway.
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It wasn't really given to me until Malte showed it to me a short while ago... and I was never really made aware of it... and few people from 2006 have it. The very fact that I have stayed her constantly since that time is merit for that, I guess, and it belongs in the same category as the other awards, so it is still good. Besides, someone who joined later doesn't get it, so... at least it is... well... "irreplaceable."
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Actually, there was a topic, months ago I believe, that had that award plus the people who have earned it. If memory serves right, both my and your username was listed, Noname. I can't remember who made the topic, but I do recall finding it and that's how I got my Member 2006 award in my signature.
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I was not made aware of it until very recently; I did not say that it wasn't posted, but that I was not immediately aware of it.
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Quality not quantity, noname. ;) If you're going on a posting spree, it better be a worthwhile one.
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I was not made aware of it until very recently; I did not say that it wasn't posted, but that I was not immediately aware of it.
Which was nobody else's fault. There was a post with the award and a list of all who were entitled to have it in their signature. You can lead a horse to the water, you can't make it drink.
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150 posts a day over the neext 6 months. you'll be looking at around 27000 posts..
Holy mackerel!
I honestly belive that a posting rate of that quantity would do nothing else than tick other people off. That's an awful lot of activity...
If one is looking for popularity, there are better ways to achieve that...
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Damn! With that kind of posts, you could set a new record!
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that would easily set a new record for most posts, in fact it would be more than the current #2 and #3 posters combined. But posting is about quality not quabntity. 1 long well-written, well thought out post, is better than 1000 one liners..
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As I have said before... and will say so again... I cannot hope to maintain that level for long... as it is, just taking the time for quality over quantity will make that level very hard or impossible to maintain. 150 was an exaggeration...
Of course, some posters here have over 10,000 posts... getting close to 20,000, so some people have no right to complain about posting by their standards...
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Do remember most with those with high numbers (myself included) have been around since 2004. 10,000 over five years is not excessive at five posts a day.
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I've been here since 2006... and have an average of fewer than 3 posts per day. At the very least, that has to change.
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It'll take quite a bit of activity if you hope to see that number jump. I'm at 5.7 myself (even less if I used my other account) and I don't see why that avg. posts per day number matters.
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It is just a good sign. I also know that if nothing else, it means that I am pro-active... and yes, I am working on quality too.
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You don't need a high post count to be proactive. I believe Brian (Aves) was the proactive member last year (or nominated often) and had not been excessively active, but offered a lot of good ideas for the GOF.
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That's why I am starting threads of my own, now. If those are found to be good ideas, then that counts towards being proactive.
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Just don't make too many of them on basis: "Throw as much against the wall as you can and hope that something will actually stick to it." :p
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That is why I am making my posts longer and more detailed in addition to being more numerous. I am even preparing an RP in which there has to be a certain level of detail per post in order for it to work (maybe adding a minimum number of words per post, like 30?)
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It's good that you are trying to work at a certain award for next year. However, when you make a thread, it has something that you think everybody may find interesting and can put on a lively discussion to. Too many topics now adays are kind of thrown out just because (I'm probably guilty of that myself here). If it's something that isn't going to sustain a long discussion, it may be best to keep it in pm's.
On your rp, detail is good, but too much detail makes it more work than fun. Remember people rp to have fun, not a hard time coming up with something. Normally, rp's with less detail required tend to go longer because they are easier and in the end appear more fun. However, it is good you are trying to put thought into an rp. Just try not to make it like a Dungeons and Dragons obsessive rp.
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I don't have the stats or the time to make a D&D rp, so don't worry... of course, this is coming from a guy with a featured article on the D&D wiki (THEY recognize me there!), so I could make that if I wanted to... but I don't want to, and neither does anyone else, I think.
As it is, threads like "Ancient Roman trivia" and "Chain Reaction" are fairly attractive and by no means are limited to the interests of just one person.
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It is because these are interesting topics Noname..
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The grammar in that last post was so bad, I'm not exactly certain what you said... but, it looks like you said that those games catch on because the topics are interesting. Of course, neither ancient Greek nor Roman trivia existed on this site until I added them...
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I simply made a typo and corrected it.. it happens when I type fast..
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I can't believe that I am saying this... given my recent posting spree, but... slow down a bit, at least when you type. And yes, I know myself well, eventually, I will get tired of this posting spree, slow down, and put it in perspective... but until then...
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Good advice Noname, good advice.. Usually I am pretty good about my spelling, and I fix errors when they crop up..but sometimes I miss some.. and we all do.. at times..
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Is there any way for me to see how many posts I am making per day, besides the average counter? I don't want to overdo it... yes, even I don't want to overdo it.
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Yes.. There is , in my instance a my assistant link, which shpows the top ten posters for the day. Yesterday you posted 443 times., today, you're at over 300.
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... There is no way I can keep that up. How many are you at? At least I'm not over... 9000!!!!
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I'm approaching 300. which is an alltime mark for me.. also I have been here for almost 5 years.. and I am usually a very prolific poster at the sites I frequent..
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That is a similar number to my posts today. I hope my posting frenzy isn't contagious.
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No, I am simply keeping up with you, I usually post a lot daily, usually around 1000 or so a day.. depending on how much I'm on..
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You mean 100 or so a day, right? 1000 or so a day would be too much...
As it is, there is no need to try and keep up... if anything, I'd be spreading a bad habit to you... and I don't mean to do you a disservice.
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Lol what the heck, when I first read this I thought this was an april fools day joke or something. Realizing it was 1st of July that isn't really possible.
Honestly, noname, there have been many around that didn't win an award, so has been said here. Can I give my own experience with Awards or won't you read it after all? I'll just give it a shot.
Last year, when I joined the GoF, the awards were there like after two months of my joining date. I could vote, I didn't... Why? Because I had the feeling I did not know members well enough. Members did not know me well enough either, it's a fact. The problem I have with certain members here is that they show little of themself(respect to those) and their feeling, but only give general posts.
You don't get to know someone that way, so seeing it from that point, of course only members with popularity get a vote. It's really what matters in this community. Being yourself, being honest and helpful... and of course have fun!
This topic kind of ruined mine to be honest.
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Yes I meant 100. Once you draw down, I'll return to my usual posting levels.. and its June, not July...
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Any reason you feel compelled to try and match mine? I don't want to promote a "posting war."
And yes, I am doing my best to be active in many areas, and add an avatar, thus increasing my popularity and noticeably. I am also contacting people from the forum on MSN to chat with them there; Metadude, for instance, chats with me more there than here.
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Oh, theres no real reason, other you are posting in the same spots I frequent and Respond to you, and we have a back and forth conversation, add those up over the day and wham! you're oloking at 150 posts or so.. other sites I've frequent have posting limits, you can only post 150 times a day at one of them..
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I see. That makes sense. I suppose that I should do the pro-active thing and actually open good threads rather than simply respond and respond... I have opened a few...
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You do what comes natural, you responsd when asked a question.. I usually try to respond to things quickly..
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Me too. I guess we are not too unalike in some ways...
This whole debacle is kind of funny... sort of like me being like the overeager red ranger in this clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKFif6ze0yE...5E512DB&index=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKFif6ze0yE&feature=PlayList&p=DE5E0BFB75E512DB&index=1)
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This topic has run its course. Enough said.