The Gang of Five
The Land Before Time => General Land Before Time => Topic started by: Petrie. on July 11, 2006, 04:02:05 PM
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This was posted by arboldin but something was seriously wrong with the poll, so I had to delete it.
I think there's a conflict in the ages, and it depends on which film you're trusting. If you follow the theatrical, its Ducky (we never see Petrie hatch so that's not debatable), but I think it's in LBT 5, Cera is claimed to be the oldest.
Take your pick. :rolleyes:
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Littlefoot on it also confirmed it by saying she is the oldest saying... "but that's you" and her reply with a grin was "I know" I would guess they about young teen ages roughly, not very sure. No one really knew what the child hood length was for a dinosaur.
all we know it could of been about 18 years or something growing a little each year getting taller but the gang on Land Before Time seem to not even grow that big maybe a little bit but all the adventures that they had and different phases saying things like in Land Before Time 10 Bron stats he was looking for Littlefoot for years and spoke of the egg which is Littlefoot hatched. he could be saying 3 or 4 years no way to really tell... but from the point of view in Land Before Time. at the time of them hatching it was almost like a year or maybe longer after they hatched that they could talk to their parents and start to learn about things in the world
There is so many different conflicts to this it hard to tell what about their ages.
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Hmm, it is indeed hard to say who is the oldest. At least we know Spike is the youngest, hands down.
Without information of when Petrie hatched, it could indeed be speculated that he is the oldest. Then again, there is the concept where when Littlefoot and Ducky met Petrie, he couldn't fly. For all we know, he could be the second youngest based on this info.
So if one were to go with the theatrical release, the order is most likely, from youngest to oldest:
Spike
Petrie
Littlefoot
Cera
Ducky
I would like to imagine that Cera lied to the rest of the gang of how she is the oldest. With her ego and all, I would not be one bit surprised if Cera did lie.
So, most likely, Ducky is the oldest. For now, I'm going with that. :)
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I would like to imagine that Cera lied to the rest of the gang of how she is the oldest. With her ego and all, I would not be one bit surprised if Cera did lie.
I could imagine that too. However, it is generally difficult for me to imagine that the dinosaurs would know exactly how old they are. While I suppose they know how many cold times, times of the changing treestars etc. they have seen I don't think they would even know the numbers to say "I'm 2354 days old".
I suppose that at least the settled dinosaurs may have a relatively accurate "calendar" by observing where exactly the sun rises and sets (the outlines of the Great Wall against the horizon would probably provide sufficient landmarks so the dinosaurs could see how the point where the sun is rising shifts gradually from the left of a given summit to the right of it or the other way round. Nonetheless I don't think that the dinosaurs while searching for the Great Valley had the means or the time to even bother about this which is why I don't believe any of the characters knows exactly the number of days since he or she hatched. In case they hatched just a few hours apart (which is the impression I get from the original movie) it would be even more difficult to decide who was first.
One point that may work against this thesis of mine is Cera's mentioning of waiting for "hatchday" in LBT 5. Yet I suppose that her hatchday may have been "settled" once the dinosaur were in the Great Valley and had the time to bother about time measuring. Maybe a day was picked randomly (the day when the bright circle rises exactly above the top of summit XY) in a time of the year when the climate was similar to that on the day of Cera's birth.
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Yes that could be possible true but telling the age of any of them is next to impossible unless we ask the directors but they would say something like they never bothered with the concept of how old they really are. It just something we can contiune to debate without end under able to get a idea how old they really are.
From the Land Before Time the first one it showed Ducky being hatched then showed Cera then Littlefoot. Maybe in that older it shows who the oldest. Could be like this
Ducky
Cera
Littlefoot
Petrie
Spike
But when we come to Land Before Time 5 you have what I stated
Cera: I think it should go to the oldest
Littlefoot: But thats you
Cera: I know *grins*
In that sense it would say Cera is the oldest so that comes up to the problem of who older again... making one large circle and back to the same old same old problem once more.
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While I suppose they know how many cold times, times of the changing treestars etc. they have seen I don't think they would even know the numbers to say "I'm 2354 days old".
Do they even have "cold times"? Judging from the vegetation, the Great Valley looks tropical/subtropical, with a lot of jungle, and while temperature does become more mild during wintertime in the subtropics, it rarely feels "cold" unless one lives close to the ocean (coastal locations can receive plenty of wind).
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Do they even have "cold times"? Judging from the vegetation, the Great Valley looks tropical/subtropical, with a lot of jungle, and while temperature does become more mild during wintertime in the subtropics, it rarely feels "cold" unless one lives close to the ocean (coastal locations can receive plenty of wind).
Plus it is mentioned in LBT 8 that there had never been snow in the Great Valley before. Nevertheless the dinosaurs seem to be aware of the seasons. In LBT 6 Cera's dad mentions the time of the changing treestars (fall), in LBT seven Pterano is banned from the Great Valley until five cold times have passed, and even if the Great Valley itself doesn't get too cold, they will know when other places do because migrating herds from the colder regions will come to the Valley and tell about it.
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As for the main question...I would think Littlefoot's the oldest, since he seems more mature than his friends.
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As for the main question...I would think Littlefoot's the oldest, since he seems more mature than his friends.
Just because he is more mature doesn't mean he is older. Besides, I'd say Ducky is the oldest because she is the first one we see hatch. Cera could have lied when she said she was the oldest. But maybe that wasn't Ducky we saw hatching. It may have just been some random swimmer.
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Just because he is more mature doesn't mean he is older. Besides, I'd say Ducky is the oldest because she is the first one we see hatch. Cera could have lied when she said she was the oldest. But maybe that wasn't Ducky we saw hatching. It may have just been some random swimmer.
I agree with you on this one, F-14.
Regarding the situation in LBT 5 where the Gang agrees that Cera is the oldest:
Let us remember a similar situation in LBT 7, where Cera is arguing about always being at the back of the line while crossing land gaps. The Gang agrees with Cera saying "she do have a point" for example, as if the Gang has forgotten the details of their past adventures. If we look back to earlier films, we clearly see that this whole story about Cera being last in line is complete bogus.
I'm saying, if such a false bit of information can be protrayed in LBT 7, why couldn't the same thing have occurred regarding the age discussion in LBT 5? I'm going with this:
The discussion in LBT 5 is false, incorrect information, as the series has a reputation for making such errors (sadly :cry ).
As for who IS the oldest? The first LBT film shows a swimmer being born, who is presumably Ducky. The fact is, we don't know for sure whether this is Ducky; this scene may be interpretted in a way to show various families bearing children, of all different walks of life, not necessarily ever destined to work together. This shows the vastness of the species headed away from this land, to the Great Valley (or other hospitable land).
It is probably a safe assumption that our little swimmer from the first scene is Ducky; even her first word, "Momma", is spoken in a typical Ducky voice. However if we look towards the later sequels, namely LBT 8, we see that Ducky's voice is very, Very similar to her siblings. I have reason to believe that Aria's quotes were reused for the voices of Ducky's siblings in LBT 8. My point? Perhaps all baby swimmers sound so similar that telling them apart by voice may be nearly impossible. We cannot Prove that this is Ducky in the first scene, I don't think. If someone can correct me, that would be fantastic. B)
For all intents and purposes, everyone in the Gang is the same age, except our friend Spike. However when it comes down to technicalities....
Spike is clearly the youngest, as the rest of the Gang finds him when he's still an egg.
Petrie is unable to fly when the gang meets up with him, therefore I believe him to be one of the younger members of the Gang.
Ducky is a fairly capable swimmer, therefore she can't be especially young (can she?) I'm saying she's considerably older than Spike. However she has grown very little (compare her size to the size of one of her eggs in LBT 2. She has hardly grown at all).
Littlefoot and Cera both grew a substantial amount from when they were first seen, therefore, I put them among the older members of the Gang. Unless the discussion in LBT 5 is indeed true, we have no way of figuring out which of these two is older, I don't think.
Based on this information, I'm saying, from Oldest to Youngest:
Littlefoot/Cera
Ducky
Petrie
Spike
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How old are the LBT characters? How old would you say they are, and all that?
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I've engaged in some research of my own but I"m sad to say that It is impossible to judge age in my opinion. The only thing we can truely go on is their size(which is never changing). It is also impossible to judge exact size because we had no idea what the size of the rocks and trees are. It remains a mystery to me. :(
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Finding out is not an easy task. The only hints we have are the coming and passings of the "cold times", and other seasonal landmarks. How many winters do you suppose they've went through that we know of?
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How many winters do you suppose they've went through that we know of?
That is not a valid indication either, I"m afraid. The weather was significantly different back then.
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If the legitimate definition of a cold time is a year, then it IS a valid indicator. This is one of few known measurements of time in the dinosaur world.
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But we have no idea how long the cold time's last. For all we know, they could last a year themselves!
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*sigh* Yeah, there are a lot of geographical factors that could affect things like this. And besides, that alone wouldn't provide an accurate figure. To do this, we'd have to start from film 1 to 2 to on down the line. Even still, I doubt we'd get a good figure. So, I guess the question now is ARE they even aging or growing? According to LBT 1 and 11, they are. However, the growth figures in those films are only contained within the films themselves. Would there actually be a way to compare some earlier film with a newer one to obtain hard evidence?
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It seems that they're only growing in maturity. Their size has only fluxuated slightly through the series. Littlefoot was smaller in LBT 10 than in LBT 2! It's just too impossible to get an accurate assumption. :(
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Littlefoot was smaller in LBT 10 than in LBT 2!
??? Did I miss something? How did you reach this conclusion? :huh:
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He was smaller in a couple of places. I compared his size to his granfather's head. I should post pics of that sometime...
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What I meant was, what do you think their ages are? Let's not get too off-topic :yes
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We were trying to get some size comparisons to help with the age dilemma that is equally hopeless. It could really be anything. Like I said, all we can do is a comparison of one movie to the next one to get at least a rough estimate.
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We can determin their age by their size. <_<
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Not entirely, but it certainly helps. Unless they're all doomed to be midgets, they should be growing untill they get somewhere around the size of their parents.
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Well, if that's the case, I'd say Littlefoot is around 9 or so.
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I'd say about 6 or less for all of them. Yes, that may seem low, but they're probably quite young even at this point.
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What are you basing these ages on? Do you even know how long these dinosaurs live?
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I think we're winging it based off of several unexplainable-in-words factors. :D
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If we're not going for physical age, I'd say that Littlefoot acts like he's 14 based on a 100 year life-span.
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That seems a bit high, but what do we know? It could really be anything. There's so many x, y, and z factors that could change all of this. Most of all, however, is that I'm sure the majority of us have probably never seen a real dinosaur (massive understatement notwithstanding).
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One of the land before time books I have claims the time span between Littlefoot's hatching and the next scene in the land before time (when he asks his mother if there isn't anything more to eat) to be five years. I suppose this was just a guess of the author though. It is very difficult to estimate the age of the characters. On the one hand we get glimpses at some characters (Dinah, Dana, Tricia, Tippy) which strongly suggest that they all went through a period of "hatchlinghood". We never saw this period for Spike though who didn't live through whatever time may have elapsed between Littlefoot's hatching and his first talking in the original movie. Spike's size tripled (or more) in the first moments after he hatched. Perhaps his inability to talk was the only real indication for his being much younger than the others in the original movie and perhaps that inability to talk was not originally meant to be an indication for anything but his younger age. Anyway.
Most of the land before time movies action could be squeezed in a time span of just a few days. Exceptions are LBT 3 (realistically it would take several years at least for the Great Valley to regrow to its original splendor after the fire), LBT 5 (it would not take as long for the Valley to regrow without being burned down, but still it would take a while, and LBT 8 (passing of one cold time).
I strongly suppose Littlefoot and the others to be still rather young (ten years perhaps). Even Hyp, and his palls who are probably supposed to be teenagers come accross as rather young teenagers. There are cases when Littlefoot and the others show signs of thinking very much in child terms (maybe the Thundering Falls are tired and need to rest) though perhaps some of their thinking may be dinosaur thinking rather than child thinking (I suppose the grownup dinosaurs too might have a hard time trying to figure out the origin of an echo).
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I strongly suppose Littlefoot and the others to be still rather young (ten years perhaps).
I was kinda guessing 10 or 9 or so as well. Maybe around 8.
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One of the land before time books I have claims the time span between Littlefoot's hatching and the next scene in the land before time (when he asks his mother if there isn't anything more to eat) to be five years. I suppose this was just a guess of the author though. It is very difficult to estimate the age of the characters. On the one hand we get glimpses at some characters (Dinah, Dana, Tricia, Tippy) which strongly suggest that they all went through a period of "hatchlinghood". We never saw this period for Spike though who didn't live through whatever time may have elapsed between Littlefoot's hatching and his first talking in the original movie. Spike's size tripled (or more) in the first moments after he hatched. Perhaps his inability to talk was the only real indication for his being much younger than the others in the original movie and perhaps that inability to talk was not originally meant to be an indication for anything but his younger age. Anyway.
Most of the land before time movies action could be squeezed in a time span of just a few days. Exceptions are LBT 3 (realistically it would take several years at least for the Great Valley to regrow to its original splendor after the fire), LBT 5 (it would not take as long for the Valley to regrow without being burned down, but still it would take a while, and LBT 8 (passing of one cold time).
I strongly suppose Littlefoot and the others to be still rather young (ten years perhaps). Even Hyp, and his palls who are probably supposed to be teenagers come accross as rather young teenagers. There are cases when Littlefoot and the others show signs of thinking very much in child terms (maybe the Thundering Falls are tired and need to rest) though perhaps some of their thinking may be dinosaur thinking rather than child thinking (I suppose the grownup dinosaurs too might have a hard time trying to figure out the origin of an echo).
Some series count novelizations (or is what you were referring to not a novel, but just a reference book?) as canon, whiles others don't. I'm fairly certain the Star Wars novelizations are counted to be canon, while the Star Trek ones aren't. The 5 years figure may be well accurate, but if it was written by a 3rd party (and especially without Don Bluth's approval), then it may not be accurate. If what you're referring to is not a novel of some sort, then what I've said probably won't mean as much.
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Even Hyp, and his palls who are probably supposed to be teenagers come accross as rather young teenagers.
I'm guessing they're around 12-14 or so, but that's just a guess.
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I suppose one could call the book I'm referring to a novel. Nevertheless I'm almost certain that it was written on no other basis than the movie itself and the creative liberty of the author. I consider it EXTREMELY unlikely that the five years figure, however fitting the estimate may be, is anything more than that, an estimate of the author based on what she saw in the movie.
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I don¥t really know how old they are, because... lood at movie eleven. In this movie passes 2 years.
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I don¥t really know how old they are, because... lood at movie eleven. In this movie passes 2 years.
Huh? Where did you get that from?
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I suppose Nimrod is refering to the fact that the time passes which is necessary for the tree to regrow treesweets.
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I suppose Nimrod is refering to the fact that the time passes which is necessary for the tree to regrow treesweets.
yes, that¥s what I mean. I don¥t think that this happens in a half year^^
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But how did he get the figure of 2 years specifically?
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But how did he get the figure of 2 years specifically?
I don¥t know, but I saw, that they have in each film the same size. Without in LBT 1. I find it a bit strange :unsure:
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The only thing LBT 11 tells us in terms of size is that in a flashback near the beginning of the film, Littlefoot is unable to reach the tree sweets, whereas at the end of the film, Littlefoot is able to. However, how much time that this tells us has passed is not clear. Let's hope that we can find a way to add these little hints up.
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well, I agree with you excactly, but it could also be, that the dinos have to be small, cause it¥s much nicer for kids to understand. But I don¥t really know
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Well, here's my guesses, in my own opinion.
Littlefoot - 10
Cera - 10 or 11
Petrie - 8 or 9
Ducky - 10 or 11
Spike - 6 or 7
Chomper - 5
Feel free to guess if you like. :)
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I'd put all of them around the same age, give or take a few months or whatever, except Chomper and Ruby. Chomper was born sometime after the rest of the gang, and I'm not sure about Ruby.
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I would agree with Manny Cav. There might also be an explanation to why they never change in appearance, but I must get into science mode.
Give me a second. Okay, physics, biology, chemistry, astronomy. I'm in science mode now. Prepare for scientific overload.
For the body to change in age, there must be hormonal activity. If there is a deficiency in hormones, then the body will not change as rapidly, which can make an individual seem younger than they really are. Therefore, my theory is that the gang has a damaged pituitary gland, specifically the ones that supply the body with hormones that cause the rapid growth that is known as adolescence.
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Maybe they didn't want them to age because that would probably cause the children that love the movie/sequels/TV series to not watch it anymore. I don't think they have a "damaged pituitary gland". :lol
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That is my scientific explanation. If that was logical. However, since it is illogical, your suggestion makes a lot of sense.
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They are animated characters and a lot of animated characters never age. Also most newspaper comic characters. Not sure if any remembers peanuts but you know how old Charlie Brown should be by now? I just ignore the gang not aging since that is quite natural for animated characters.
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I would guess that none of the gang is over 12, but none of the gang is under 8 either. If I were to make an educated guess, I would guess closer to the 12 range because of their maturity in difficult situations, regardless of their speech patterns. If you don't correct a child when they say "me want", then they will most likely continue to say that until they reach the age when they realize "hey, wait a minute. Why do I say me when everyone else says I?" I believe that age is realistically around 14 or so. If you wish to argue on this matter, I would point out that the gang has been in virtual isolation except from the occasional visits of others and it seems to be a fact that correct grammar doesn't seem to matter very much in their world.
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The question is: how long can different species of dinosaures live? I guess, they just have a long childhood period.
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According to experts, Trex's live around 65-80 years and apatasaurases live around 40-50 years. Of course, we have no clue how these so called experts reached their conclusions. They might as well just be opinions or guesses which have no more basis in reality than any speculations we might make in this thread.
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We are even unsure how long it takes for a dinosaur to reach the point of maturity where they can have children of their own.
I will say this about Malte's first response. To make it completely accurate when we base it on plant life, we need to figure out exactly how rich the soil is and whether or not it holds special nutrients to make those trees grow faster. (For all we know, it could have the same nutrients as Miracle-Gro Plant Food.) So we can't even be sure if your logical explanation is accurate. :D
It is also questionable how long it takes them all to talk. For all we know, it could be different for each and every species.
There's even the unknown factor of when Petrie was born. For all we know, he could be the oldest of the gang.
As for now, there's really far too many factors involved to make an accurate guess.
However, I would indeed say they are under 12. Remember though, this is just a guess. I could be wrong myself. -_-
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For all we know, he could be the oldest of the gang.
You'd think he would've argued with Cera in LBT 5 when she claimed to be the oldest of them all them. :p
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For all we know, he could be the oldest of the gang.
You'd think he would've argued with Cera in LBT 5 when she claimed to be the oldest of them all them. :p
Though a part of me thinks she lied about that this whole time for one reason or another. That smile of her's just seemed to say something to me. :D
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Does the guess that none of the Gang is under 8 years but not over 12 include Chomper and Spike? They are characters well suited to ruin every age theory. There age may differ by just a few days, seeing that the only "official big time leap" takes place after Littlefoot's birth and before his first lines. If we assumed all of the characters to be no younger than 8 years after that time leap Spike and Chomper would have been alive and kicking in their eggs for for that time! No way to make that theory reasonable. But if Chomper and Spike are to be regarded as 8 year olds in later sequels and the TV series that would make Littlefoot and the others (with the possible exception of Petrie) about 16 years old (when does puberty start for dinosaurs?).
In general I suppose it will be a futile endeavor trying to find a reasonable explanation for something that is just "done that way" to appeal to the audience (and personally I prefer it that way from having the characters grow up; but that is a contested point of view), but so long it won't be taken too seriously, here is my theory:
We never actually learned how much time passed in the "official big time leap". We tend to apply human time standards and think that five, six, or even eight years must have passed. But looking at the astonishing linguistic abilities of some LBT characters (Ducky says "Mama" just minutes after she hatches and before she has been addressed herself by anyone) it might take much less time for LBT characters to reach Littlefoot's state of development. For all we know it may be that just one or two years passed in that "official big time leap". This would not explain the no longer visible physical development of the characters (some of whom would in real live grow by several kilogram every day), but it would explain why the development between Spike and Chomper on the one and the others on the other side is not accounted for. If Littlefoot and the others were just two or three years old in the first movie it would leave more time for the events of the other movies (LBT 3, 5, 8, and 11 in particular). Nobody ever proved that LBT character development is linear to the development of a human child :p
As for the regrowing of plants, even on very rich soil a forest would realistically take many years to regrow into something like its original state. It is another example that our standards of time and development cannot be applied one to one to the land before time.
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I could do a long post, but I like shorter ones, more of my current style. So instead I'll take a line from a show that some of you have likely seen or heard of. If these things start to bother you just repeat to yourself like I use to:
"It's just a show, I really should just relax." :p
It's likely impossible to judge ages and time passing since they script writers ignore it themselves in certain extents and ways. The great valley regrows but the gang are not older. Spike hatches and quickly becomes his current size.
I do my best to ignore the passage of time stuff and just enjoy the show, though I do notice it and other things. I just say to myself that same thing and focus on enjoying the show. :yes
"It's just a show, I really should just relax." :p
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"It's just a show, I really should just relax."
That was my point exactly when I introduced my theory like this:
In general I suppose it will be a futile endeavor trying to find a reasonable explanation for something that is just "done that way" to appeal to the audience (and personally I prefer it that way from having the characters grow up; but that is a contested point of view), but so long it won't be taken too seriously, here is my theory:
We mustn't take any attempts to combine the land before time with science too serious. That is not to say that it can't be fun to try to mix it, but not if we take it serious enough to argue about questions like the location of the valley, or the species of a character, in a hostile manner.
There are some aspects of the land before time that are not supposed to be explained in a rational manner. There are some things that ought to be just accepted the way they are as the lack of logic does not hurt the story itself, while in cases where land before time becomes self-contradictory it is something we can complain about with some justification.
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I guess one could also say, that there is a big of magic about the water in the Great Valley, or some of the water from the fountain of youth trickles into water of the valley and those that drink from it stop aging or physically maturing. Farwalkers who drink from it have the save thing that happens to them and it can continue if they drink from it on a regular bases, such as once a year.
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If I'd compare him to human years, I'd say Pterano seems like a 30-to-32-year-old.
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Yes, he seems to have some kind of middle age crisis. :lol:
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Most of the gang do seem to act like teenagers, in there knowledge and way of acting etc.
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I don't really agree. I guess I would place Hyp, Nod, and Mutt at very early teenagehood at most and Littlefoot and the others are significantly longer. Also notice that they are sometimes still rather naive in their thinking (e.g. Littlefoot in LBT 10 doesn't know that he had a dad).
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The gang, to me at least, are not yet teens, or the time of fast growth as the lbt dinos call it.
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How old do you think ruby is?
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The gang is about 8-13.
Spike and Chomper are towards the lower end.
Hyp and his group are 13.5-15.
But let's do a "aging disabled" thing and not get too serious.
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and yet antoher lbt mystery -_-
i also agree with that 'the gang is between 8-13' thing :yes
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Since getting back into LBT, I couldn't help but wonder just how old Littlefoot and his friends are. This is what I came up with in terms of their ages:
Littlefoot: 8
Cera: 8
Ducky: 8
Petrie: He always seemed a bit younger than the others(Spike aside) so I'd say 7
Spike: 5
Chomper: 4
Ruby: Can't really say since not alot is known about her
Littlefoot, Cera and Ducky seem more knowledgeable than the others. It's difficult to say just how old Petrie might be since we never saw him hatch. However given his way of speaking and how he depends most often on Littlefoot or Ducky(Sometimes Cera), it's safe to say he's most likely younger than they are. Now considering that by the time of both Land Before Time 5 and the TV series, Chomper has without a doubt gotten older(Spikes on his tail, ability to speak, small muscles in his chest).
However this is just my guess on their ages. How old do you guys think they might be?
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The gang of 5, apart from Spike, do seem a bit close in their ages. Not sure about Petrie, he may be a bit younger. Ruby may be a bit older maybe. Maybe 9 or 10, but I'm not sure.
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There's already a topic like this somewhere else.
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There is? I haven't seen it anywhere...
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There are several in fact. They're a little different but the thread you made is exactly like another one that already exists. Perhaps someone else can find it. I can't seem to find anything on this board despite the fact I've been a member for nearly 2 years. :p
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Well I've been browsing these forums for awhile and I have yet to see a topic like this one*Was afraid this would happen*
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Here's an older thread with pretty much the exact same topic as this one:
http://z7.invisionfree.com/thegangoffive/i...?showtopic=2048 (http://www.gangoffive.net/index.php?topic=1648)
Here's another in a similar vein (though not an identical subject) that I also came across:
http://z7.invisionfree.com/thegangoffive/i...?showtopic=3935 (http://www.gangoffive.net/index.php?topic=3740)
So...is this thread going to be merged with the older one? :confused I'm interested in posting in this topic, but I want to do it in the right place.
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It's ok, if there is 1 of the admin may merge this and that topic if they feel it's needed.
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I think Cera is the oldest gang member. Perhaps Ruby is older, but hey, it's still GoF, not GoS. :)
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Here's an older thread with pretty much the exact same topic as this one:
http://z7.invisionfree.com/thegangoffive/i...?showtopic=2048 (http://www.gangoffive.net/index.php?topic=1648)
Here's another in a similar vein (though not an identical subject) that I also came across:
http://z7.invisionfree.com/thegangoffive/i...?showtopic=3935 (http://www.gangoffive.net/index.php?topic=3740)
So...is this thread going to be merged with the older one? :confused I'm interested in posting in this topic, but I want to do it in the right place.
I remember there being another more involved topic than these two. This has been discussed many times in other threads.
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Is this the one you're talking about?
http://z7.invisionfree.com/thegangoffive/i...p?showtopic=911 (http://www.gangoffive.net/index.php?topic=721)
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^^^No, but that's yet another one. You get the idea. This topic has been brought up many times before.
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If you want you can ask an admin if they'll look over and merge the threads, or move them to 1 section together.
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I remember there being another more involved topic than these two. This has been discussed many times in other threads.
This must be the one you’re talking about (or else I’m missing something :wacko):
http://z7.invisionfree.com/thegangoffive/i...?showtopic=4341 (http://www.gangoffive.net/index.php?topic=4136)
It was in the “1988 Theatrical Release” forum; that’s why I didn’t notice it before.
Would it be feasible for all four of these threads (this one (http://www.gangoffive.net/index.php?topic=1648) and this one (http://www.gangoffive.net/index.php?topic=721) being the other two) to be merged into a single topic, so that all the discussions of the gang's ages would be in one place?
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That sounds like a good idea. Won't cause any confusion that way.
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It depends if the topics could seamlessly be merged with no odd jumps. Like merging one talking about Littlefoot and Cera would have odd jumps. Everyone is talking about mainly Cera, for example, then suddenly the talk is all about Littlefoot.
If you feel the threads should be merged maybe you can pm one of the admin and see what they think.
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Allow me to guess...in my opinion the Gangs Age rages between hatching - 11 yrs. (Human Years)
Littlefoot, and Cera could be between 8 - 10 yrs old because they were born on the same day and they seem to have more knowledge compared to the others. As for Ducky we all can't be absolutely sure if she was born at the same time with Cera and Littlefoot (referring to the First Movie) that could have been a totally different swimmer from the start. But if that was actually Ducky she would be 8 - 10 yrs old as well.
Petrie...Too much unknown information about this character but the way he communicates and depends on his friends for assistants he would be younger lets say 6-8 yrs olds
Now Spike...fact: Spike was born in the first movie and his eating habits is what made him look so Big. How can he possibly age after a few bites of grass? on top of all that he can barely talk, the only word he said was "Ducky" from Movie 4. Therefore he is still a hatching (just guessing). However, since 12 more movies was made after the first and the Episode "Through the Eyes of a Spiketail" that made him sound alot order than usual. He is older than Chomper though I know that for sure. I would say 3 - 5 years old.
Chomper: He can't be older than Spike there's know way! he was born in the second movie than all of a sudden he just grew at a advance rate?! He is slightly naive just like any young child would be so he would definitely be 4 yrs. old
Ruby: Like Petrie a character with low information but I think 11 possibly 12 yrs of age suits her well. Why? she does seem to have more wisdom and understanding and she is slightly more mature that littlefoot and cera.
Anyway that my opinion.
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I think there's a conflict in the ages, and it depends on which film you're trusting. If you follow the theatrical, its Ducky (we never see Petrie hatch so that's not debatable), but I think it's in LBT 5, Cera is claimed to be the oldest.
I feel most certain that Ducky is older than Cera in general. I feel that way because of the weather in the first movie. Right after Cera hatched, it started to rain, and did so for a while. Ducky, on the other hand, roamed about for a bit after hatching, and to the end of her scene, there is no rain.
As for the scene in the fifth movie, when both Cera and Littlefoot acknowledge her being the eldest, that may have certain significance to her “wanting to be the best” attitude that she portrays. First of all, there is the seniority rule, you know, where someone has or thinks to have seniority over those younger and is “higher“ than them therefore. Secondly, really little kids are more apt to believe things as they tend to have lesser mental guards that say, “That can’t be right,” or “I have my doubts about that.” Well, Cera flaunting the “fact” that she was older in the fifth movie certainly seems to portray that she does feel superiority with being the oldest. So, perhaps as previously mentioned here, Cera did lie to get the seniority status and thus be “better.”
It’s possible that even at a young age she felt the need to be the object of deference, and, being as young minds are more gullible, fathomed a very detailed and certain-sounding story that she is older than them and maybe even how she is as well. Having no reason to object, as the others don’t seem to worry about being better in any way, they agreed. Maybe something like, “Okay, sure. You’re the oldest. Thatës nice to know.” Now, nobody saw Petrie being born, so one may wonder why he never challenged the age issue. Well, that might be contributed to the fact that Petrie seems to be rather intimidated by her. I can list several instances if need be showing Petrie submit to her out of fear. So, maybe he never challenged her statement because he was afraid to challenge her.
The way I see it, this is how they are ranked in age, one being the oldest.
One- Petrie or Ducky
Two- Petrie, Ducky, or Cera
Three- Petrie, Cera, or Littlefoot
Four- Petrie or Littlefoot
Five- Spike
Still, my logic is usually illogical, so I wouldn’t take anything I wrote here too seriously. Later!
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The way I see it, this is how they are ranked in age, one being the oldest.
One- Petrie or Ducky
Two- Petrie, Ducky, or Cera
Three- Petrie, Cera, or Littlefoot
Four- Petrie or Littlefoot
Five- Spike
Petrie is the oldest because I said so! :D :p No really, the logic makes sense...we don't know how old Petrie really is.
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In general it seems a little odd that they would know about their exact age. Did they count the days from the day on they hatched? If so the first movie is rather explicit that Ducky, Cera, and Littlefoot share the same birthday. Who thinks that they counted minutes as well? :p
There seems to be some sort of calendar like orientation (suggested in the TV episode star day celebration) but considering the fact that they had been moving quite a distance from the places where the three hatched it doesn't seem plausible that they could fix the date and its anniversaries by the position of the bright circle to any landmark simply because they left the places where any such landmarks may be.
One down to earth matter of fact thing which is not suited for explanations within the story is that LBT 5 was the first movie made by Charles Grosvenor who has generally been careless about details or coherence with the earlier movies.
As for within the story explanations I agree with Michael. Cera is more likely than not to have made some boastful claim about being the oldest at some time earlier than LBT 5 and Littlefoot probably "bought" it (being out of naivety or the wish to avoid arguing that point) even if he may not have believed it. We can't know that for certain, so everyone can think of the own stories about this.
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PS: Here is my theory. Spike is the oldest :p
His egg was probably laid long before that of Ducky, Cera, Littlefoot, or Petrie. But since he felt so cosy and comfortable inside he decided not to crack through the shell and his parents left believing the egg would never hatch. So Spike remained inside for the time of his "life" in which he would have usually developed (among other) the ability to speak. When Ducky ultimately "forced" him out of the egg (his initial reaction was to get back in and it was Ducky rather than Spike who peeled away the shell) Spike made up for the long time he had spend inside the egg by growing more than five times his original size within the first few minutes after his birth (we never saw such a growth rate with any other character) :lol
PPS: In spite of the "sensible" arguments I am just kidding of course ;)
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Lol, I loved that whole paragraph.
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It's Soap Opera Rapid Aging Syndrome in real time!
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". We never saw this period for Spike though who didn't live through whatever time may have elapsed between Littlefoot's hatching and his first talking in the original movie. Spike's size tripled (or more) in the first moments after he hatched.
Will someone pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaase explain why?!!
Before I saw LBT 1 I thought Spike was the same age as the rest of the group.
But no, cause when the rest of the gang were their "normal age", I guess I'll call it, Spike wasn't even born!What the heck?! Now I had to revise my vision of the gang slightly, and now seeing that Spike is "The big baby" throughout the WHOLE SERIES (cause the characters haven't aged since movie 1) the gang feels...less equal. I don't like it!
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xkzgyp_sp...hing_shortfilms (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xkzgyp_spike-hatching_shortfilms)
But I would feel a little better, at least, if I knew what happened in the bushes from 0:51 to 0:58. WHY did the have to use an exterior shot at that important moment? WHAT HAPPENED?!
You know what? No. As good as the first film is, it's flawed. Spike should have been born and the gang's freakin age when they found him. I'm gonna say Spike IS their age in the sequels. If Litlefoot's mother can be blue in the sequels, Spikme can be the same age as the rest. I rest my case.
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^You simply weren't lucky to see the first movie first. For most of us here our first encounter with LBT was with the original movie, so Spike being younger than the rest looks natural (Spike's rapid growth notwithstanding). Your first encounter was with a sequel, and you are surprised now. And that's OK. Imagine how surprised a person who's first encounter with LBT (this could apply to people born in 1999 and after) was the TV series would feel when watching the first movie.
It's only a matter of time before topics such as "Where are Ruby and Chomper?" start appearing in this subforum.
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Well, I've been working on a timeline of sorts for use in my fanfiction. I guess I'll post here what I have thought out so far, because it also has what I think the ages of the Gang are.
Year 1: Littlefoot, Cera, Ducky, Petrie born.
Year 2: Sharptooth attack, Littlefoot's mother dies, Spike born, Great Valley found.
Year 3: Chomper born, Ali's first visit.
Year 4: Gang goes to Chomper's island.
Year 5: Pterano banished for 5 cold times
Year 6:
Year 7:
Year 8: Most or all of the TV series happens here.
<<End of cannon LBT. Just my fanfiction events after this point>>
Year 9: Littlefoot's Grandfather dies, the Professor comes.
Year 10: Pterano returns.
so, in the TV series, I think the Gangs ages are:
Littlefoot - 8
Cera - 8
Ducky - 8
Petrie - 8
Spike - 7
Chomepr - 6
Ruby - I don't know :(
I'm still working on that timeline, as there's a lot of events I haven't put in it yet. Does that make any sense?
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^ Keep in mind that while LBT 2 may have easily played just a few days after the end of the original movie (judging from the opening) it would take a while for the entire valley to regrow after the fire in LBT 3. In LBT 5 it had to regrow again, but in that case it may not have taken so long as it was just the leaves. At the end of LBT 11 again enough time must have passed for a bald tree to regrow its leaves.
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Yes every movie has flaws no matter how good it was.