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General Land Before Time / Were the "rainbow faces" angels?
« on: January 09, 2017, 04:03:11 PM »
I wouldn't say a visiting alien species wouldn't give a crud about the gang but you're right this is open to interpretation. Even if they are angels, it isn't out of the realm of possibility that they're science-y.

Though I'm kinda of the opinion that just because the two primary Rainbow Faces of the series were aliens/angels/etc, it doesn't all Rainbow Faces are like that. I'm of the opinion those two donned some holographic/morphic disguise. That does lead to the amusing mental image of one of these Foreign Visitors scrolling through species disguises while (singular they) their compatriots keep telling them its the wrong one, climaxing with:

"How does this look?"

"Dang it, that's a fast biter, the leaf eaters will run from you screaming if you approach them like that!"


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At this point, I’ve kind of gone “Screw it” and accepted that The Land Before Time operates on comic book time. Past events are acknowledged but the most of the gang remains mostly the same age while Chomper grows to be voiced by a nine year old child actor in the TV series (I can’t get the age of his other child actors). And then he and Ruby too seem to stop aging. Meanwhile, Bron’s visits to the valley in the TV series and movie 14 are anticipated in the manner of being a frequent, now normal occurrence. Trying to make sense of it in my head now only tempts me to post the Math Lady/Confused Lady meme image (Which there should totally be a LBT version of at this point).

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Land Before Time TV Series (2007) / Why did the T.V. series stop airing?
« on: January 07, 2017, 02:58:44 AM »
I wonder how much continuity lockout might have played a role. If kid viewers just happened to be exposed to the Land Before Time through the TV series first, I wonder how lost they might be. There are callbacks to the movie series that the new audience mightn’t. Though Ruby and Chomper at times acted as the audience surrogates to explain these callbacks (which I think is a good idea), I’m not sure how effective the execution was.

I wouldn’t mind if the series had tacked to the tone and theme of The Sarah Jane Adventure. The Doctor Who spinoff was aimed at a young audience, but had genuine threat, great drama, and heartfelt character moments that sustained it among viewers until the lead actress’ death. I hearted that show and wouldn’t mind if other children’s television took a page out of their book.

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LBT Fanfiction / "Unused" fanfiction ideas
« on: January 04, 2017, 08:58:10 PM »
Though instead of using, uh, “enhanced interrogation techniques” to get intel, Bron would have to do favors for information (like getting hard-to-reach food and doing the equivalent of walking old ladies across the street) and he slowly cracks from having to deal with the valley’s eccentric residents. I have a hard time picturing him doing anything worse than giving a friendly tickle to someone to make them talk.

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LBT Fanfiction / "Unused" fanfiction ideas
« on: January 03, 2017, 04:05:09 PM »
Here, I’m throwing out some (okay, a lot of) ideas for adoptions. Most I have no interest in writing but there are a few I plan to use at some point. Which is which? I’m not telling. ;)

Some of these are mere notions that I thought up while others I detailed more thoroughly in my mind. Buckle in folks, here the ideas are in no particular order.

- The gang somehow fall into an Alternate Universe where among Mama Longneck’s eggs, Littlefoot’s egg didn’t survive and a sister’s egg did and hatches. Some people live (like Mama Longneck), some die (like Cera), and this AU gang’s adventures either had a different outcome or never happened at all (Like the yellow bellies were never escorted to Berry Valley – though I do have the amusing mental image of the gang finding out they got there just fine anyway). The gang has to struggle with questions of fate and the fact some of their counterparts might have different paths – like Spike and Chomper, who might have different names and never become members of the gang. The gang comes to accept the experiences and lives in this AU are just as valid and in a reversal of these usual stories, no one in the AU dies during the gang’s visit.

I can see keeping track of the original gang and the AU gang might be a name nightmare (with the exception of Littlefoot-replacement, Spike, and Chomper), so that’ll be an issue if you try to take on the idea.

- Bron finds another love…and it’s a guy. Stunned, Littlefoot and the others struggle to accept this.

Bisexual/pansexual Bron, y/y? The sexuality element is added because queer representation and adding it to the stepparent plotline makes sure it isn’t a “Tria Redux.”  

- The gang encounters some dinosaurs who ignored/harassed/attempted to kill them on their journey to the valley. I’ve seen this plotline in one fanfic before but I thought it would be interesting if the offending party isn’t completely bad. Reconciliation between them and the gang might be possible. The gang might also struggle with whether to tell the rest of the valley about what they did or let bygones be bygones.
 
- The story of how the gang killed the first sharptooth get more explicitly broadcast to the wider valley, which leads to awkward, very much unwanted attention. Many are creeped out that children plotted to kill someone, even if it was in self-defense. Others are fascinated in a snuff film-like way and so harass the gang for more details or want them to do it again.

- Kind of related to the above, Littlefoot accidentally severely injures or kills someone in self-defense. The fact he first suggested and plotted killing the first sharptooth means people become afraid of him instead of Chomper.

- Good news: Chomper meets some people who won’t hurt or kill him on sight because he’s a sharptooth. Bad news: Because he’s a sharptooth, said people want to kidnap and train him to be a pet that can be shown off or a weapon to be used in inter- or intragroup conflicts. #BeingChomperIsSuffering

- The gang and several other named youths get kidnapped to either be child soldiers or slave workers. They manage to escape and/or tear down the whole operation.

- Maybe related to above, but the gang go missing and their parents are sick with worry. When they get back to the valley a month or so later, they have no memories of who their parents are. The gang bond with their parents, try to solve the mystery of what happened, and might or mightn’t get their memories back.

- Someone attempts to injure or kill the gang – and that ticks everyone off. The offender keeps bumping into people the gang know. As soon as the offender lets slip his attempted crime, he or she get treated coolly, shunned, or even get driven out of a herd or location. It becomes so ridiculous that he or she sardonically asks a bunch of rodents if they know the gang - and they do because Tickles is among their number and the offender has to keep silent in fear of getting murdered by enraged rats. The offender might or mightn’t have to crawl back to the gang and the valley for an apology, who might or mightn’t forgive him.

This is to humorously show that though the gang might exasperate many, their help has been valued and treasured.

- The gang somehow foresee the extinction event meteor centuries/millennia/millions of years from now and they must struggle with the concept of mortality and what to do about their descendants. They come to accept this by seeing intra-species youths of future eras also being adventurers, offering hope that life goes on.

- Might be connected to above, but a crossover with Doctor Who where the Doctor and his companions accidentally wind up in their universe. In their world, the Land Before Time exists as a movie and TV series, so there might be some joking groaning of landing in the sequel universe which bemuses the gang. I imagine Eleven in this role, since he does have that dynamic with kids. I can picture him and his companions attempting to try spontaneously singing like many people do in that universe, with the inevitable comic results.

I also have the amusing scene of the Doctor forbidding the gang from coming with him on an adventure, walking out, and walking back having changed his mind. He’s seen enough of the movies to know the gang’s going to follow him anyway, so they might as well have an adventure while under his adult(?) supervision.

- On the way to visiting Chomper’s parents, the gang get attacked by a few fast biters and their leaf eater ally. The fast biters and leaf eaters are sort of foils to the gang. The fast biters became friends with the leaf eater while young. The fast biters kept defending their leaf eater friend from being eaten, which led to them being kicked out of their community. Though personable and a bit goofy if they consider you a friend, they are a bit troubled by that experience. The leaf eater helps the fast biters hunt and doesn’t consider other leaf eaters his or her friend. The fast biters and leaf eater’s friendship is genuine. There won’t be any last minute betrayals and they’ll remain loyal to each other.

Only a third party threat causes the fast biters and the leaf eater to team up with the gang. The gang help fight that threat off, which causes the fast biters and the leaf eater to spare them and allow them to go, though warning if they come around again, they’ll be enemies. That experience shows what might happen if the gang’s friendship with Chomper and Ruby continues but there might also be some hope they can forge a different path.

- Not very substantive, but the family of one member of the gang decide they might go on a trip outside the valley because of a vision, ritual or whatever – and remembering how Cera and the others wandered off after Littlefoot during the 10th movie, they have the foresight to invite the whole gang along. Road trip shenanigans that might or mightn’t be dramatic ensue.

- The gang get tangled up in the Rainbow Face pair’s spaceship. Space travel might ensue.

- AU where the gang and other characters are gods who try to smooth over conflicts in the mortal and/or godly realm (Chomper would be the nicest death god ever and Spike would make a nice deity for plants).

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General Land Before Time / Did the gang talk fully about 1st movie journey?
« on: December 24, 2016, 06:45:15 PM »
Littlefoot probably didn’t let them in on the full details on how the sharptooth, say, ripped up her back but I do have the sense he related what he told her and the ghostly encounters that followed to make them feel better about their daughter’s death (I vacillate over whether the grandparents resigned themselves to that possibility for her or if she was put under the category of “maybe dead, maybe alive” the gang was under before their arrival at the valley).

I think at least some like Littlefoot might’ve told their parents about plotting to kill sharptooth out of guilt and seeking validation they did the right thing. The grandparents do give the impression of being the most understanding and forgiving, so I can see Littlefoot being the most forthcoming about some of those details.

I can see Petrie accidentally letting slip some more details than he might want, though Mama Flyer probably wouldn’t press him about it.

I think Ruby and Chomper might know some details too. With how controversial their move to the Great Valley probably was, I’m sure someone would have brought up Mama Longneck’s death as a counter to why the gang was so adamant the pair should stay. That might’ve forced the gang to give some explanations to Ruby and Chomper.

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General Land Before Time / Did the gang talk fully about 1st movie journey?
« on: December 22, 2016, 10:59:23 PM »
I wouldn’t know about Papa Swimmer, but if Mama Swimmer heard about that early in the movie series, I can picture her being very concerned about the dynamics of the gang that cause Ducky and Spike to go along with these adventures.

I’ve the sense Cera might’ve made some sort of apology off screen, either through her words or actions. Since she came at the right moment in taking down the sharptooth, they probably forgave her and toned down the details about her shenanigans when relating the story to their parents.

If the gang doesn’t want to publicize their interpersonal drama to their parents and the greater valley, then they might really not want to relate how gung ho Littlefoot was about killing sharptooth.

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1988 Theatrical Release / Cera's growing bond with the gang
« on: December 21, 2016, 04:11:03 PM »
@Ducky123 Your scene rundown does point out an interesting pattern that might have influenced Cera into having a more genuine friendship with them. Despite all she did, Littlefoot and the others continued to help her and she depended on them. She did appear to hold some value in being self-sufficient and independent, so those moments might annoy her. It wasn’t until the tar monster scene that she got some humbling about what her true capabilities were and the tears might have been her in some ways realizing how powerless she can be.

Her going to help with the sharptooth fight seems motivated primarily by attempting to redeem herself and payback for all her help. Her sadness over Petrie’s apparent death does appear to indicate that gained some genuine connection with the gang. As I said before, there might have been some point where she shifted from “Oh, those losers” to “my losers.”

There might have been a moment of verbal acknowledgement to the friendship between them, though I suspect it was some small exchange along the lines of “we’re cool?” “we’re cool.”

@ADRFan185 As for why the gang allowed her to remain in the group, I suspect that though they might have found her difficult to deal with, they didn’t have the heart to abandon a fellow child to the wild.

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General Land Before Time / Did the gang talk fully about 1st movie journey?
« on: December 20, 2016, 04:30:09 PM »
Well, sort of in that longneck herd’s defense, I don’t they think they noticed the kids were there. The gang might find it a bit easier to forgive them than the domehead trio or the dinosaurs at the oasis in the deleted scene who were discriminatory toward the kids.

Quote from: rhombus,Dec 19 2016 on  05:17 PM
Many fanfictions (and I am guilty of this as well) simply assume that the children told their parents about the killing of sharptooth and the other details of their journey

Quote from: Snik,Dec 20 2016 on  07:45 AM
I think gang told full story to their parents and possibly other dinosaurs.

Yeah, I’m kind of under the impression the gang did at least tell their parent most of the details of how they took down the sharptooth and the parents were understanding of what the kids had to do. Still, I’ve been thinking that the gang hasn’t been publicizing about that accomplishment. Talking about how they as kids plotted to kill the sharptooth would either creep others out or attract creepy attention by those who have a snuff film-like fascination with such stories.

I have the feeling the gang was rather vague with their parents about the conflicts and less than nice things they did with each other. Ducky probably didn’t mention “I was pressured into being sharptooth bait” and Littlefoot likely didn’t say anything about Cera insulting his mother and how that led him to very nearly abandon the group. The gang doesn’t want to start any possible conflicts with their parents by bringing those things up in detail.

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General Land Before Time / Did the gang talk fully about 1st movie journey?
« on: December 19, 2016, 05:20:48 PM »
A musing I’ve had these last few weeks is if the gang ever told their families or others about the less than savory parts of their journey to the valley – like how they fought and nearly broke up, got harassed or threatened by other leaf eaters (Apparently there was one or more example in the deleted scenes), and killed sharptooth in a premeditated manner. I understand why the sequels wouldn’t bring up such grim topics on screen but how do you think the topic was brought up or not in-universe?

Related to that, I wonder what would happen if the leaf eaters that mistreated the gang during their journeys showed up at the valley? That would definitely be awkward but I wouldn’t be surprised if it was point out there are valley denizens who have similar skeletons in their closet. What kind of conflict and/or reconciliation would follow such a scenario?

I do have some of my own thoughts but I’m curious about what others think (Since this deals with reactions and repercussions after the first movie, I’m putting this in the “General” forum).

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Character Discussion / Rinkus and Sierra
« on: December 16, 2016, 11:12:58 PM »
These two antagonists are interesting, because they seem to be the only overtly villainous green eaters in the series. Or at least they can be interpreted that way – I can’t recall if they ate anything on screen but I assumed any speaking flyer characters were whacked with the “eats green food” stick.

Anyway, they aren’t aligned against the gang because of the necessity of their diet, but out of selfishness and greed. I’ve become a bit of a fan of villains who’re among the protagonists’ own class/species/group. That makes them more threatening and relatable. Rinkus appearing weak and silly while being quite scheming and nasty is an example, as I can picture people like that existing in real life. Sierra can also be deceiving, since I recall encountering other characters like him who’re far more heroic, but then you’d realize how nasty he can go.

I do like the thought of them eventually forming a sort of friendship later on. Like Sierra saves Rinkus and dusts him off, saying losing him would make accomplishing goals more troublesome and Rinkus is uncomfortable but intrigued, knowing what is being implied. I’m fond of the thought of antagonists who’ll never think of joining the side of the protagonists but have genuine connections and loyalty to those among their group.

I kind of wonder how these two fell in with Pterano. Did Pterano persuade them to go with his ambitions? Did Sierra and Rinkus do the persuading? Were they the only ones Pterano could find that would agree to go along with his plans? However it happened, it would probably influence what might happen if the pair ever bump into Pterano again. Those two will probably know just what to say to get under his skin and the conflict can be delicious.

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1988 Theatrical Release / Cera's growing bond with the gang
« on: December 08, 2016, 02:09:32 PM »
Sorry for the later response. I often take my time composing these posts and that can take a few days.

Quote from: Sovereign,Dec 1 2016 on  10:16 AM
Her reluctance to accept Spike didn't show too much empathy or valuing others' lives though. At this point, I think Cera cared little about the others. I know it's a deleted scene but I still think it's feasible to reference it.

I haven’t heard about that deleted scene. Admittedly, I haven’t paid much attention to those things and only know of the missing scenes where other dinosaurs are jerks to the gang. It would be interesting if that matter got addressed later in Cera and Spike’s friendship, where they now clearly more value each other.

I do remember when Cera talked about her sharptooth encounter with Littlefoot, Ducky, and Petrie, the latter two were an entranced audience and she might have been flattered by that attention. I can picture her thinking “Well, it wouldn’t be so bad to have them around.”

Yeah, probably after the “never such a herd” narration, she takes more of a subconscious liking to the gang. Even if she found the others’ idiosyncrasies irritating, she might have also found them amusing. Cera does have a good laugh when the gang piles up on each other get food from a single tree. At some point, her “oh, those losers” feelings might have started getting mixed with some elements of “Oh, my loser friends.” She might’ve pushed those feelings down but they didn’t go away.  

The sleeping scene does show that though she voiced she was content with sleeping alone, she did miss the companionship when Ducky and the others went over to sleep with Littlefoot instead. I could suspect that when she joined the sleep pile with the gang, she felt complete in some way, even if she might’ve tried to deny it.

Cera’s reaction from being saved from the domeheads by the gang did show that she was in some ways delighted that they came for her and she wasn’t alone. Her going off for a cry was probably to deal with that they still came to rescue her even after her failures and not helping them much in turn. Her helping with the boulder drop with the sharptooth was maybe in some ways to make up for her failure. She realized she couldn’t deal with life without them.

Hopefully these set of paragraphs make sense and aren’t too rambly. I’m usually trying to make sense of a character with these kind of response, so it isn’t always organized.

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1988 Theatrical Release / Cera's growing bond with the gang
« on: November 30, 2016, 03:19:22 PM »
After watching the first movie a few times, I started to wonder how Cera’s thoughts about the gang and how she came to warm up to them. She doesn’t seem to think highly of them through much of the movie but she doesn’t protest too much when she and Littlefoot play with bubbles before Sharptooth comes along and at times she seems to stick with the gang for more reasons than mutual protection. When Littlefoot and the others, covered black goo, pick up Cera and reassure they aren’t monsters, there’s shot of a smile briefly coming across her face. She comes through for them in the end when they drop the boulder on the sharptooth.

I kind of got the sense that liking these strange collection of dinosaurs snuck up on her before she was aware of it, but what do you all think? What did Cera think of the gang and how did she warm up to them as the movie went on?

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General Land Before Time / Growing Up and Size Shenanigans
« on: November 25, 2016, 05:26:27 PM »
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I get that length is a good indicator of how big the gang will get, but what about their height? Like how tall the ones with four legs are at the shoulder, especially Littlefoot since he can lower his neck. I'm now tempted to do an adult size chart based on this topic.

That made me curious, so I googled around. This website gave some height and length data for most except Pteranodon (Because they aren't dinosaurs but I managed to find data elsewhere). There's some variation in the other results I glimpsed, so if this data might be incorrect, feel free to correct me. Now as for height:

Littlefoot: 30 ft tall
Cera: 10 ft
Ducky: 16 ft or 17 ft (Parasaurolophus or Saurolophus)
Petrie: 6 ft
Spike: 14 ft
Chomper: 13 ft.
Ruby: 3 ft
Hyp: 4 ft
Nod: 6 ft
Mutt: 15 ft
Tinysauruses: 10 ft

So Hyp might be a foot taller than Ruby as a grownup. Progress!

But the Tinysauruses are still more than twice as tall as him while Mutt will be more than three times his height. Welp!

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General Land Before Time / Growing Up and Size Shenanigans
« on: November 20, 2016, 06:30:20 PM »
“But Hyp, when you’re all grownup, you won’t be very big at all.”

“Yeah, you’re kind never gets very big. When we grow up, we’ll be much bigger.”


Those comments from Littlefoot and Cera respectively to Hyp in LBT 3 made me curious about the height differential that will exist when these kids grow up. And boy were they right about Hyp not growing very large compared to the other characters. I mean:

Hyp: 5.9 ft in length

Littlefoot: 69 – 75 ft.
Cera: 25.9 – 29.9 ft
Ducky: 31 or 32 ft (Parasaurolophus and Saurolophus length)
Petrie: 18 – 20 ft wingspan
Spike: 29.5 ft
Chomper: 40 ft
Ruby: 7 ft

The closest of the seven who matches Hyp in size is Ruby and she’s a foot bigger than him. Out of curiosity, I also looked up the length of the Tinysaurusses/Mussaurus and even their actual adult size is bigger than Hyp’s (And might still be in LBT if a. you handwave Big Daddy as a case of dwarfism and b. assume all the other Tinysauruses are juveniles)! Poor Hyp.

Still, he use this to his advantage. He could walk up to some of his larger dinosaur friends, ask for a ride, and get on before they answer, being a charming little annoyance. I’m sure those he does this with would tolerate it stolidly or playfully throw him off. Hyp finds those reactions as part of the fun.

I can picture all sorts of fun with this information. Ruby and Chomper have practically more than reversed in size, so Chomper could adorably carry Ruby. If Littlefoot grows up to be especially big and he doesn’t change his name, I can imagine some friends like Cera saying “hello” to and holding conversations with his feet. Littlefoot bears with this with tolerant amusement before sometimes gently pushing their heads up with his tail.

What sorts of fun or heartwarming stuff do you think will happen when the youth of the cast grow up and have at times wildly divergent sizes?

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Character Discussion / Is Guido gay?
« on: November 20, 2016, 04:44:45 AM »
As others said, since Guido’s sexual orientation isn’t specified, it can be pretty much anything you want. I’m aware in media that if it isn’t specified, the sexual orientation is presumably straight, but pah to that.

I always assumed Guido to be an adult, albeit the child-friendly quirky type. He does have an interesting tendency to apologize and then start rambling as he apologizes again, as though he’s attempting to cover all of his tracks so people wouldn’t be mad at or attack him. He kind of gives off the air of someone who’s been this way before his barely touched upon amnesia came around. Whether he was born with this behavior or learned this from experience, I don’t know.

Despite how scared he can be, he does go out of his way to help others. What most sticks to my mind is the point when in the Day of the Great Flyers Petrie failed a flying formation again and Guido, breathless from walking, goes over to comfort him. The other moment is when he volunteers get off Swooper’s back and glide alone. Despite his trepidation and inexperience with gliding, he knew Petrie was in no shape to fly with his injured wing and was willing to take the risk of something happening to him if it would get his friends home. That selfless quality was one of the things that endeared him to me when I watched his film fully for the first time earlier this year.

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Character Discussion / Bron
« on: November 18, 2016, 07:31:35 PM »
Ah, Littlefoot’s father. He does share the same even-keel temperament that Littlefoot, his mother, and Grandpa and Grandma Longneck possess. I surmise alikes didn’t repel when it came to Littlefoot’s parents. ;)

It’s of note that Bron seems to have a sense of responsibility where he decides to act himself. He decides to scout out for a more immediately safer place to raise Littlefoot other than the Great Valley. He takes Shorty and other orphaned children in while searching for Littlefoot. He eventually accepts the duty of herd leader even though he hadn’t looked for it. He looks after Shorty even when no one else would accept him into the family. He personally rescues Wild Arms despite the dangers. Whatever the issue, Bron doesn’t appear to mind getting his paws dirty as long as it improves conditions or see someone be safe.

As for how Bron is as a herd leader, I get the sense he does take the needs and words of his herd into consideration. He makes a proposal about where to go next and how to get there, and he listens to the feedback of the others. They make their case back and forth until there’s a majority or consensus opinion. I believe Bron prefers that kind of leadership. He does have some trust in his own judgement but he has made mistakes as he got used to his role and he would prefer to have a check in case he made some more errors in.

Of course, just because he cares about others doesn’t mean he can’t be insensitive. I wouldn’t go so far as to say he’s a deadbeat father but are moments when he seems oblivious to the feelings of others. When he looked after Shorty, he seemed to think of this duty as simply that of a Good Samaritan looking after a troubled neighborhood kid. It didn’t seem to occur to Bron that Shorty might see him as something more until Littlefoot brings it up. Even when the adoption becomes official, he at times give more attention to Littlefoot than Shorty. I don’t think this is intentional. If Bron has this behavior pointed out to him, I’m sure he’d feel guilty and do his best to correct it. I’m not sure where this behavior originates but I find it makes him a more interesting character then if he was a deadbeat or saint.

It’s been commented on a few times but Bron can also be quite playful, as seen with the “It’s great to have a dad” sequence. He looks like he’s having as much fun as Littlefoot. I have a headcanon that when there is downtime, he likes to play with the herd’s kids. This serves a dual purpose. He wants to make sure the youth are happy and entertained but I also think he does this both to make up for not being able to play the role of father for so long and to have a release valve for all the work and stress being a measured herd leader is. I think he revel in being silly once in a while, much to embarrassment of Shorty and some of the kids. Some might roll their eyes at that but I believe others would be fond of it.

In concern with his relationship to Shorty, I have the sense if Bron knows the boy is having an issue, he will try to solve it. I suspect he still has some guilt for not always taking Shorty’s emotions and needs into consideration. Bron knows Shorty would both like and find it annoying but he can’t resist checking up on the boy. Though from how he behaves in his TV show appearance, I kind of got the sense that Bron wanted to either allow Shorty to figure things out on his own or wait until Shorty gets experienced enough to get the explanations. Bron was rather vague about why Shorty wouldn’t be taking the Longneck Test yet and I’m kind of curious if Bron didn’t elaborate on why or if Shorty didn’t understand his explanations.  

He probably plays with Shorty by indulging in some of the mischief the boy can get in. If Shorty, for example, throws a snowball at Bron, Bron would respond by throwing a snowball back. Bron likely enjoys that tit-for-tat bonding and putting a smile on Shorty’s face through these games.

That’s all I can think of for Bron. I had a lot of this pinned down while thinking about and watching his scenes but there are parts of him I’m still attempting to figure out (A writer’s exploration of a character is never done).

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Character Discussion / Pterano
« on: November 13, 2016, 03:55:02 PM »
Ah, Pterano. The beloved tragic antagonist. I think he believes he makes connections others don’t and the few successes that come from that lead to a positive feedback loop that swelled his ego. He wants to do great and good things but he wants to be recognized for his accomplishments, which is often what leads to trouble. Petrie’s mother seems to find that exasperating but there does seem to be some fondness still present. I surmise when Pterano does stuff like entertaining the children with stories, he does it to please himself but he also genuinely enjoys brightening the days of the young ones. Mama Flyer’s probably grateful when he does stuff like that but at the same time, she wonders, “Okay, what do you want this time?”

I do agree with others’ observations that he has a bit of a dictatorial streak and that he has trouble accepting the consequences of his actions. With the migration to the Great Valley, I surmise he thought the consensus decision making of the herd was too slow and cautious. If there was a correct decision, one shouldn’t gamble it away in the name of compromise but fight for it with your last breath. I surmise those that eventually followed him agreed with that opinion. I do like the observation of one of the other users that Pterano might have thought he saw clues he interpreted as a lead to the valley and that might have played a role in getting him those followers.

When those followers died on his watch and there was nothing he could do about it, I agree he refused to take responsibility because he didn’t want to own up to failing. I also think though that having people die because of him was too much for him to accept. Death is so massive it can be like fitting worlds inside your head. Trying to fit in the massiveness of death that’s your fault can be a whole different kind of overwhelming, so Pterano quailed away. That would force him to reevaluate what kind of person he is and he doesn’t have the mental fortitude for that.

When the Stone of Cold Fire appeared, it seemed to be an opportunity to remake the world into something better and to make a name for himself. He was more interested in doing this without notice. When Ducky accidentally eavesdropped on him, he was disquieted by the thought of using her as a hostage to hold back pursuers but his ambitions still had such a hold that he was willing to go along with it anyway. When Ducky seemingly fell to her death, Pterano was also troubled but still willing to move on to the stone. I wonder if he thought either his wish on the stone would magically undo those kind of mistakes or the wish would affect so much that his mistakes might be overlooked.

Whatever the case, the kids nearly getting killed on his watch inched him to reconsidering his values. He did object when he was sentenced into exile for five cold times, so he doesn’t completely get it. Though I think he also objects partially out of practicality, since it would be hard to survive alone for that length of time without having some backup. The valley people are understandably not as sympathetic, since he burned those bridges himself. When Petrie attempted to defend Pterano despite all the trouble he caused, that made Pterano more accepting of his punishment. It would take quite some hard work for him to move away from his destructive ambitions and put others first but hopefully he would find some value in the quiet ways of making positive change.
 
You know, I find it kind of interesting Pterano immediately follows Doc as a main guest character. They would make interesting foils. Doc does Good Samaritan work while trying to remain inconspicuous and has a “change what you can, accept what you can’t” philosophy. Pterano is almost the opposite. He did work for others in exchange for getting attention for himself. He wants to effect change even for things some say can’t be changed, for good or ill. It would be fascinating to have these two characters bounce off one another. I have the sense these two would have intriguing and amusing conversations that Pterano might learn from.

A few miscellaneous thoughts: I can’t help but have the headcanon Pterano’s the type to opera sing to himself while washing himself or doing other things. That might get him trouble while trying to be inconspicuous while out of the valley, so he has to do it under his breath, which displeases him. Kind of related to that, he can be a bit dramatic. He should join a singing/theater troupe, which I’m sure exists somewhere in that world. I bet that even if he heard about Ruby and Chomper even before meeting them, I can already picture his startled reaction if they suddenly come upon him and Cera’s very amused face as she watches.

Those are all of my thoughts on Pterano. There are a few things I feel shaky about here and there but I did find some of the posts on this thread informative concerning his character and hopefully it’s the same for anyone who reads this.

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LBT Fanfiction / Red Reflection
« on: November 07, 2016, 04:15:41 PM »
Thank you for the comment. I'm not sure if I know everything I'm doing but I've been doing plot outlines for stories for awhile, so that might be helping (Though because this is so short, I don't know if I did a plot outline for this or not).

Whether intentional or not, I do like how Chomper's tied in to Littlefoot's character arc. The member of the cast most hurt by sharpteeth is the one who ends up backing up Chomper the most. He doesn't want Chomper to experience the abandonment and agony of his own loss. Through that, he gains a more complex view of sharpteeth and the world around him (Though that still wouldn't stop him from defending himself and his loved ones).

I'm still editing and reviewing my next fic. As mentioned before, it's about Shorty and Bron's first visit to the valley. I'm still finding sections that need additions or clarification, so it might be a while. For example, I realized I should spell out that Littlefoot and Shorty are brothers now, since that possibility was only hinted at to Bron the last time they talked. I'm also clearing up character arc stuff for Littlefoot. I consider this a sort of test drive for many of the characters, since the gang and some of their parents get significant scenes that clearly display their personalities. Hopefully, I'll get it right.


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Character Discussion / Chomper and Cera Parents
« on: November 07, 2016, 03:51:03 PM »
So Mr. Threehorn. Topsy, Daddy Topps. One of the moments that spell him out is the “Standing Tough” song in the third movie. The song lays out that because life’s tough, one has to be tougher to survive. That means making hard, fast decisions and sticking with them even if they are ruthless. In the context of the third movie, if that means some who need water more than others have to suffer in the regulated drinking regime, so be it. Somewhere along the line, his observance about the cold hard facts of survival melded with stereotypes about other species. He seems to think he’s only being a “straight talker” when he expresses such prejudice. I don’t know if this mindset helped him before but when it doesn’t work in the valley, he gradually tones it down.

He doesn’t seem to be as much of a “straight talker” when it comes to the more feelsy part of things. As can be seen with his first reunion with Tria and his attempt to talk to Cera about the relationship in the 11th movie, he trips over his own words when talking about softer matters. This can be seen earlier in the 5th and 6th movie where, confronted by his claim Littlefoot was to blame for leading Cera away and that Doc might be the source of bad luck, he clumsily backtracks. I don’t know if he was taught such soft emotion is weakness or found some of those emotions difficult to deal with, but he isn’t always graceful with them. With the latter, maybe he represses what happened to Mrs. Threehorn and Cera’s sisters because it’s too traumatic to wrestle with. Even if he doesn’t think about it, it probably motivates his protectiveness of Cera.

Not that he’s a complete stranger to expressing softer emotions, as seen in the TV episodes “The Great Log Running Game” and “The Bright Circle Celebrations.” Even when he’s Being Wrongô, he’s quite a sweet dad to Cera and I can see why Cera can be so defensive of him. How he interacts with Tria and Tricia at times is quite cute too. He really treasures them and wants to do his best to make them safe and happy.

It’s interesting to observe how he gradually expands his circle of protection from Cera to the rest of her friends. Though he isn’t always fond of him, he’s quick to defend all of them during danger. This even includes Ruby and Chomper. Whatever his reservations about the latter, it doesn’t seem to occur to him to not protect the sharptooth youth along with the others. From his comment in movie 14th about his doubt about having Chomper help track down Littlefoot’s gang, he still has some distrust of Chomper. Though there, I think Mr. Threehorn is expressing distrust of Chomper’s sharptooth nature, though he might have some fondness for Chomper himself. That kind of doublethink wouldn’t surprise me for someone like him. I can’t help but be amused by the image of him interacting with Chomper’s parents. I think there might be some snark-to-snark combat there, especially with Daddy Sharptooth.

From how he talks about how old he is, I surmise he’s in the threehorn equivalent of his forties. Change for him seems to go slow but I do have the feeling he won’t be as hardheaded or prejudiced as he got older. He could still use his whiplike voice and snap decision making but hopefully far more wisely. He might not always be accepting of the weirdness Littlefoot and the others get into but he’ll be more able to roll with it (“You’re helping an alien from planet what?...sure, whatever, as long as they don’t eat anyone.”).

Those are all my thoughts on Mr. Threehorn. I’m not as sure about my grasp of his character, so hopefully I’m not too far off.

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