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1988 Theatrical Release / Re: Outcut land before time scenes
« on: April 02, 2025, 01:50:14 PM »
My bad, I can't believe I misread it LOL :lol

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1988 Theatrical Release / Re: Outcut land before time scenes
« on: April 02, 2025, 12:46:38 PM »
Krieger responded to me yesterday:

My questions were:
"A. Were there any other scenes extended when you watched it? For example, there is a known scene where Littlefoot and Cera climb into a dead tree to unsuccessfully escape Sharptooth at the very beginning of the chase, but the T-Rex dives his head into the tree and rips it up. Did this make it into the workprint?

B. Littlefoot’s original name during production was Thunderfoot. Was his old name still intact during this early cut?"

His response:

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Hi -----,

"After reading all of the internet speculation over the last few years about extended and missing scenes, when I watched the two cuts side by side (one on the TV, one on my laptop) I was honestly surprised by how much alike they actually are. There are a few minor trims but no "missing scenes" and no major trims to the T-Rex fight. No mystery ten minutes cut for violence; that's all just the internet rumor mill. The biggest change was that, in the early cut, Littlefoor finds the Great Valley first and then goes back to get his estranged friends before heading down there. It was changed because, upon viewing it, we all felt the double reveal of the GV was anticlimactic and, in line with the theme of the importance of solid friendships, it made more sense for them to get there together.
     In terms of Littlefoot's name, it was changed before production ever started because the rights-clearance team discovered there was a brontosaurus in a children's book in England named Thunderfoot.

That's what I've got for ya.

Best,

Stu Krieger

My initial thoughts (pasted from Discord):

- I’m not sure what he considers “minor trims” but I guess he counts those extra bits with the Sharptooth chase in the swamp to be minor trims haha.
- Original ending arrangement is in the early cut. We know there were some edits there.
- I suppose there was no Oasis scene in the earliest cut. I’m still leaning towards it never reaching the animation stage.

Another thing I realized today:
- He must have converted the VHS tape into a digital file, since he watched the cut on his laptop.
edit: i misread him lol

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1988 Theatrical Release / Re: SCRIPT Land Before Time Began April 1987
« on: March 31, 2025, 04:25:46 PM »
Thanks Hypno!

No worries, it's always exciting to find more pieces of the puzzle for the production of this film :yes

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The Welcome Center / Re: Hello all, TAP here
« on: March 31, 2025, 03:55:21 PM »
Welcome back to the forum! :rainbowwave
I too, recently posted pretty much for the first time in four and a half years (I only had one post in the years between Oct. 2020 and this week haha).

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1988 Theatrical Release / Re: SCRIPT Land Before Time Began April 1987
« on: March 31, 2025, 10:09:26 AM »
I haven’t had a chance to check out this slightly older script until now, but through comparing it to the May/June 1987 revisions, here are some quick observations I’ve made while looking at the April 23, 1987 draft:

1. The film’s title was still known as strictly “The Land Before Time Began” in the April draft, but by the May revision, it was shortened to just “The Land Before Time” with the original title being placed below it to keep consistency with the previous draft.

2. Sequence 005A (the Rooter scene) did not exist at this point. It was added to the screenplay in a June 5, 1987 revision.

3. Sequence 011AA (The Oasis Scene) did not exist yet either. It was also added on June 5, 1987, in the same revision as the Rooter scene. This is significant to note, as we now know the Oasis scene wasn’t even added until later into the overall writing process! What we STILL do not know, is how far along the Oasis scene survived before being cut. That part remains a mystery. Though, in my opinion, at this point in time I do not believe it got past the pencil test stage.

If there are any other differences, I will make note of those observations when I have more time :yes

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1988 Theatrical Release / Re: Outcut land before time scenes
« on: March 30, 2025, 11:12:20 PM »
Hey guys, this is my first post on the forum in a while, I haven’t been around for a long time, but I figured this is as good a time as any to jump back in!

The workprint discovery by Krieger may be the biggest piece of news for the deleted scenes we’ve had. It’s the biggest lead by far. The next step, is to wait and see whether Krieger ends up pushing for it to be publicly viewable, which is unknown at this point. He would need the permission of Universal/Amblin to show any footage, and judging by the blurring in the Instagram post, that hasn’t happened yet. But to me, it would be quite cruel for him to make this kind of post and not even attempt to do something with it :p
Still, this is huge news, as it confirms that there is at least one workprint featuring multiple deleted scenes still in existence. And one of them - specifically this one - who knows, we could be on the cusp of something big guys :yes

I'd want to be excited. I do, I do! :Dducky

But at the same time... I hold the same opinion that many other people do... that I will believe it when I see it. However, considering it is Stu Krieger himself revealing the news, I will remain cautiously optimistic and have faith that indeed he is not being cruel to the fans.

Though if he wanted to do an actual April Fools joke... :thinking :taunttroll
He could have posted the reveal of the lost tape on Instagram on April 1st, making everybody believe he is just fooling us because after all... April Fools!!! Am I right? Then the real April Fools Joke is the fact that he actually does have the real footage, and he will release the unreleased shorter version of the first film with those extra Sharptooth attacking scenes!

Now, wouldn't that be swell!? :SharptoothAmused

Ahhh!!! Mo-o-o is really hope we ain't being punked, tricked, and bamboozled! It is some super elaborate April Fools joke, or is it the real deal?!
:olittlefoot

It’s real. Remember, it all lines up with the AMA response Krieger gave on the forum back in November where he said he had found an early workprint in his archive with a runtime shorter than the final release:

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Here's the truth: After years of being asked about the fabled "more violent" cut of the movie, I recently went back into my archives and uncovered what is perhaps the earliest cut of the movie in existence. It's so early, in fact, that some scenes aren't fully animated yet. I can now reveal....

Though there are a few extra moments the Sharptooth fight (some shots are held for slightly longer, there's a brief scream from Littlefoot's Mom that's slightly different to the theatrical release, etc), there are no violent deleted scenes! In fact, the early cut of the movie was shorter than the theatrical release.

This kind of slipped my mind actually, thanks for the refresher. Though I'm guessing at the time, in my initial excitement of having a pretty great answer despite the fact that Mr. Krieger could not reveal everything, I had forgotten the literal fact that, yes, indeed, he found a literal tape in his archives! The earliest cut in existence! So awesome! That I forgot to acknowledge it as something tangible, physical, real, that yes, it is possible that this footage can be released to the public in the foreseeable future! All I was thinking at the time was thanking him for his responses, his time, and his generosity.

But to be fair...perhaps my mind was also focusing on the "no violent deleted scenes" aspect. So awhile the news itself was exciting, the reveal that there is not the fabled "more violent" cut of the movie as Mr. Krieger would describe it as, made it perhaps a bit of a downer? Not saying that it dampened my excitement in the slightest, but that I suppose it made me inherently think less overall about the news.

And hey, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. He answered my question, answer my question he did! :RubyCurious
Always will be super grateful and happy that he came down to us on the forum to answer our questions. :smile

Really, by this point, it’s pretty much obvious that the rumours of the fight between Sharptooth and Littlefoot’s mother being more violent/bloody is mostly false. Yes, there is a little footage missing of their battle (19 seconds to be exact), and one shot of Mother yelling in pain definitely would’ve made it a bit more frightening for children, hence why it was removed. But overall, it wasn’t as visually graphic as the rumours suggest. Sharptooth biting Littlefoot’s mother was always intended to be shown in shadow, for example.

Still, it would be great to see the full version of these scenes the way they were originally intended. I swear, with so many significant lost media discoveries in the last few years, it’s killing me at this point that these scenes are still unavailable to us :p

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1988 Theatrical Release / Re: Outcut land before time scenes
« on: March 30, 2025, 09:08:54 PM »
Hey guys, this is my first post on the forum in a while, I haven’t been around for a long time, but I figured this is as good a time as any to jump back in!

The workprint discovery by Krieger may be the biggest piece of news for the deleted scenes we’ve had. It’s the biggest lead by far. The next step, is to wait and see whether Krieger ends up pushing for it to be publicly viewable, which is unknown at this point. He would need the permission of Universal/Amblin to show any footage, and judging by the blurring in the Instagram post, that hasn’t happened yet. But to me, it would be quite cruel for him to make this kind of post and not even attempt to do something with it :p
Still, this is huge news, as it confirms that there is at least one workprint featuring multiple deleted scenes still in existence. And one of them - specifically this one - who knows, we could be on the cusp of something big guys :yes

Ahhh!!! Mo-o-o is really hope we ain't being punked, tricked, and bamboozled! It is some super elaborate April Fools joke, or is it the real deal?!
:olittlefoot

It’s real. Remember, it all lines up with the AMA response Krieger gave on the forum back in November where he said he had found an early workprint in his archive with a runtime shorter than the final release:

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Here's the truth: After years of being asked about the fabled "more violent" cut of the movie, I recently went back into my archives and uncovered what is perhaps the earliest cut of the movie in existence. It's so early, in fact, that some scenes aren't fully animated yet. I can now reveal....

Though there are a few extra moments the Sharptooth fight (some shots are held for slightly longer, there's a brief scream from Littlefoot's Mom that's slightly different to the theatrical release, etc), there are no violent deleted scenes! In fact, the early cut of the movie was shorter than the theatrical release.

My mind was exploded when I read these news on GOF Discord recently.

Can't wait to see what happens next, how will it progress.

Indeed, Sneak, I was mind blown to find out that he has a real workprint. I have contacted Krieger to see if I can learn anything else about what scenes are contained in it.

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1988 Theatrical Release / Re: I think this "uncut version" obsession
« on: November 11, 2022, 08:48:02 PM »
I mean there are cut scenes from the film online. Like the now well always be together ending and some others like ducky making faces and littlefoot crashing into the sharptooths foot. but I believe probably the reason why most of the scenes aren't or cant be released is because there mainly just storyboards.   
Many of them were animated, actually, not just storyboards. The only ones that probably weren't animated was the "Littlefoot and the Snake" scene as well as the Oasis scene.

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Saurus Rock: Member Hall of Fame / Re: Award Winners 2020
« on: November 08, 2020, 02:05:20 PM »
I'm so sorry guys. It's been a chaotic couple of weeks here. At least this didn't take as long for me to get to as my welcome thread did (2 years...!). SO with that being said, I'd like to congratulate everyone on their awards!


Thank you to everyone who picked me to win the first ever edition of the LBT Discussion award. I can't thank you all enough. :yes
I'd like to give a shoutout to Sovereign, who has been a big help with contacting members of the LBT franchise's productions since 2017, as well as Sneak, who has not stopped the search for the uncut Land Before Time since it began. There's also Disneysaurus, who is not a member of this forum, but has contributed a large amount in the search for the uncut version of The Land Before Time for at least six years now. I couldn't have done this without the help of all those who are interested in the production and deleted scenes of The Land Before Time, so thank you. Keep searching everyone ;)

I'd like this one.

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LBT Projects / Re: Sharptooth Tournament
« on: October 27, 2020, 10:44:01 AM »
Finals

3rd Place Matchup: He may not have been able to defeat Sharptooth, but I think his speed and durability is too much for Papa Sharptooth. The Deinonychus should come out on top.

1st Place Matchup: The “bad swimmer” is scary, but he’s NO water version of the Sharptooth. The strongest, the fastest, the most durable, and the scariest sharptooth of them all is THE original sharptooth. None can compare!

 :sharptoothgrrr

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Starday Wishes / Re: Happy Starday Hypno!
« on: October 25, 2020, 02:16:14 PM »
Thanks guys :D
It’s a special one for me for sure!

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LBT Projects / Re: Sharptooth Tournament
« on: October 20, 2020, 05:19:52 PM »
Semifinals

Sharptooth Tournament 4A: This raptor is tough as nails. However, Sharptooth throws the laws of gravity out the window - he is basically a giant version of the Deinonychus. So it shouldn’t be hard to figure out who is the victor.

Sharptooth Tournament 4B: Most land sharpteeth just can’t contend with the Sharptooth of the oceans. Sorry Papa...

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LBT Projects / Re: Sharptooth Tournament
« on: October 13, 2020, 07:59:33 PM »
Quarterfinals

Sharptooth Tournament 3A: This would not be a quick fight. The Plated Sharptooth is a fighter. However, Sharptooth is a monster. Fast, agile, AND large, Sharptooth defies the laws of gravity, which would allow him to leap at Plates and deal damage. The only thing Plates would be able to do is use his claws, but I don’t think that they would be enough to stop this bloodthirsty beast.

Sharptooth Tournament 3B: Like I’ve said before, these kinds of raptors are seemingly unstoppable. The Meanest Sharptooth just isn’t fast enough to stop these fast biters from inflicting wounds.

Sharptooth Tournament 3C: I think Thud’s championship bid ends by being gobbled up by the father of Chomper.

Sharptooth Tournament 3D: Featherhead sharpteeth are probably not good swimmers, and even if they were, I doubt that they would be able to stop such a huge marine monster.

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LBT Projects / Re: Sharptooth Tournament
« on: October 06, 2020, 04:21:31 PM »
Round 2

Sharptooth Tournament 2A: Sharptooth has experience with swamps already. A belly dragger isn’t going to stop his path of carnage.

Sharptooth Tournament 2B: Assuming this is in shallow water so that the land opponent can stand, the Plated Sharptooth should have this. Once again, this shark isn’t a megalodon. If he is, then he’s only a juvenile individual.

Sharptooth Tournament 2C: The meanest Sharptooth shouldn’t have a problem in this fight. Bye Mother.

Sharptooth Tournament 2D: The LBT 7 raptors are by far the most dangerous raptors. A trio killed a whole herd; meanwhile, four LBT 3 had trouble battling the adults. One of them even died early on.

Sharptooth Tournament 2E: Papa Sharptooth was able to stop the Plated Sharptooth, yet the Mountain Sharptooth couldn’t beat a snowball. It should be obvious as to who is the victor here.

Sharptooth Tournament 2F: Sorry Thud, I think you’re just too small to contend with large theropods, even ones like the Allosaurus.

Sharptooth Tournament 2G: The Longneck Sharptooth was scary as hell. Featherhead sharpteeth aren’t very strong in my opinion.

Sharptooth Tournament 2H: Mama Sharptooth doesn’t seem to be a very good fighter. I don’t think that she would beat the massive Sharptooth swimmer.

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Saurus Rock: Member Hall of Fame / Re: Appreciated Member 2020
« on: October 06, 2020, 03:45:58 PM »
My vote goes to Sovereign. He has always been a helpful member of our community. As I mentioned in my award voting post, he is great at feedback and always willing to critique other’s work in a way that will help them get even better. He has been an appreciated contributor to discussions in the past about the deleted scenes of The Land Before Time, and we had a good talk a month and a half ago about them (back when I had contacted LBT screenwriter Stu Krieger). So he is my choice for this award.

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LBT Projects / Re: Sharptooth Tournament
« on: September 29, 2020, 07:37:26 PM »
This'll be long, but at least it won't be as long after this round. It's fine, since I don't have much to do at the moment anyway.

First Round

Sharptooth Tournament A: Sharptooth himself stomps over the random VI rex. I shouldn't even have to explain this one.

Sharptooth Tournament B: The gray sharptooth was quite pathetic in my opinion, in fact, he is the worst of the three T. rex to appear in X. Why? Because he tripped over Shorty instead of squashing him. I think the Belly Dragger has the advantage, and would likely pull him into the water.

Sharptooth Tournament C: This was a tough one. Ultimately, I think the fifth film's sharptooth wins this. He's average speed but a good fighter, as shown when he manages to hold off both of Chomper's parents for a while. The Carnotaurus is fast but I don't think he would be able to contend with this guy.

Sharptooth Tournament D: Now I know Red Claw has been quite pathetic during his appearances, but I think he can handle this shark from the shallows. It isn't particularly massive - compared to the kids, the shark is more like a great white than a megalodon, so I think that Red Claw should be able to pull it off.

Sharptooth Tournament E: Dil alone doesn't stand a chance against just about any sharptooth... because of her bad vision.

Sharptooth Tournament F: The Sailback sharptooth in XII is similar in size over the Meanest sharptooth, but faster. Meanwhile, the meanest sharptooth is fairly slow. I think the sailback has this one.

Sharptooth Tournament G: Three VII raptors killed a whole herd of adult dinosaurs, while the XI ones didn't stand a chance. I think you know which is superior.

Sharptooth Tournament H: These raptors are scary and durable as hell. I think they would come out on top.

Sharptooth Tournament I: The TV series Belly Draggers are pretty pathetic and not very fast. Papa Sharptooth would rip one apart.

Sharptooth Tournament J: This one could go either way. Both T. rex are evenly matched in my book. I'll go with the Mountain Sharptooth I guess since he seemed a bit faster and slightly scarier.

Sharptooth Tournament K: Neither the Useless Sharptooth nor the Scarred Sharptooth are particularly special, so it's a close one. I'll give it to the Useless Sharptooth, since Allosaurus is my favorite dinosaur after all.

Sharptooth Tournament L: "Mmmm," says Thud, "yummy bird".

Sharptooth Tournament M: I like Screech more than Thud, but he's dead meat here. Giant predatory plesiosaurs are not to be taken lightly.

Sharptooth Tournament N: The Featherhead Sharptooth would eventually snatch up the flyer.

Sharptooth Tournament O: I don't think the orange-brown sharptooth would be able to stop the huge sharptooth swimmer.

Sharptooth Tournament P: Creatures with a posture like Dimetrodon don't have much of a chance against bipeds like Mama Sharptooth...

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LBT Projects / Re: Sharptooth Tournament
« on: September 29, 2020, 06:51:08 PM »
This is right up my alley  :yes

However, just one little thing I noticed. All of the aquatic or semi-aquatic sharpteeth seem to be facing land sharpteeth in the first round. I think it would have been a little better to start off by putting the sharpteeth that live within the same element (for example, Dil vs the sharptooth swimmer from the ninth film) instead of Dil vs . But that's only a nitpick. This is a great idea and it'll be interesting to see how things play out (obviously we know the winner :p , but we don't exactly know what the road to the end will look like yet).

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Saurus Rock: Member Hall of Fame / Re: Award Voting 2020
« on: September 28, 2020, 09:32:20 PM »
This is my second time voting in the awards. Here we go.

Fanart Award:
There has been some great art submitted by this community this year, but I think Flathead770 should have this award. I’ll never forget the LBT 14 Carnotaurus drawing he made for me for my birthday - he didn’t have to, but he did it anyway. I know that was three years ago now but his art is even better now so this year I think he should win the award.

Feedback Award:
This was hard, but I’ve gotta go with Sovereign. I have seen how constructive he can be, despite me not being an artist or fanfiction writer (other than when I wrote that ‘story’ in 2017, forget that). I have seen his posts and they are undoubtedly the kinds that help people improve. They are great so he gets my vote. But that’s not to say that others are not as constructive as he is at giving feedback; shout-out to them as well.

Friendly Member Award:
Skipped. It’s too hard to pick. This community is by far the most friendly and least toxic one I’ve been involved in. Everyone on here should be proud, because it seems it’s hard to pull off online communities like this anymore, at least from my experience. Because of that, there is no single individual here who deserves this award; the dozens who continue to help keep this place thriving for years to come all should have it.

LBT Discussion Award:
I’ve gotta go with StardustSoldier. Since joining the forum last year, he has really contributed to these sections. As others have mentioned, he has made a lot of reviews on the films and TV series that should not go unnoticed. So he gets my vote for this category.

Helpful Member Award:
No doubt that Mumbling should get this one. I mean, when’s the last time she didn’t help anyone in need? It would be a long list for sure. A shoutout to Rhombus and the rest of the staff as well, as they are a big part of keeping the forum up and running.

Proactive Award:
Wow. I absolutely have to go with Vojeds. Many others have said it, and I will too. 32 emoticons is a lot of effort. Not many are so dedicated as he is, which makes him the undisputed pick for this year’s award.

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Character Showcase / Re: Useless Sharptooth Showcase - September 2020
« on: September 04, 2020, 04:14:15 PM »
I'm pretty confident that I've spent more time discussing this one specific sharptooth with people on the wiki than I have characters like Bron, Tria or Ali. Make of that what you will.

Speaking as someone who has spent 70% of his time buried in the sharptooth aspect of the series over things like stories and actual characters, and as someone who is decently fresh off of all fourteen of the movies, I think it's inoffensive as far as sharpteeth go; it is lame, but at least it does more than just stand around and roar and trip over tiny pebbles like some of the later ones - heck, I don't even think it's the worst in its own movie, I would argue that that honor goes to the random T. rex that pops up at a point during the climax.

Oh yeah, you and I had a lot of discussions about that guy (and the other sharpteeth too) on the wiki from 2017-2019, that’s for sure...

Given that Allosaurus is my favorite dinosaur, I was hoping that they would have done something to make it more scary. The only thing impressive about it was the fact it survived that fall...
At least the music tracks accompanying the scenes in which it appeared were dramatic enough: Sharptooth and the Earthquake, of course, and also that one theme from the original where Littlefoot saves his friends at the Mountains That Burn. I think that played twice; first time was the Michael Tavera remix and then the original Horner version.
But despite that, the music doesn’t completely save the Allosaurus. However, I do have fond childhood memories of watching VI on DVD, seeing it on top of the log, slowly moving towards the stuck Spike; that is a scene that is embedded in my head forever, for some reason. Was it useless? No, it served a purpose in the plot. Littlefoot probably wouldn’t have been able to attempt to “fix” the “bad luck” without it falling to its apparent death. What else was he going to do - go look that random T. rex that was out there?

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