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Does anyone know why exactly LBT 4 pushed back to 1996, when, from what I can deduce, it was produced before LBT 3?


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What brought you to the conclusion that LBT4 was created before LBT3?


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1. Copyright date on my VHS says 1995.
2. Petrie's voice goes back to it's style in LBT 2, instead of the LBT 3 style which it remains throughout 5-13 and the TV series.
3. Michelle and Amanda suddenly aren't writing the songs for the series again...and than in LBT 3 they are.
4. A sneak peek of it is already available on the VHS of LBT 3.
5. Linda Gary passed away in 1995.
6. According to the wiki, some of the same audio from LBT 4 is recycled in LBT 3.
7. I just read LBT 2 came with a sneak peek for LBT 4.


I know some of this isn't really supportive seeing as it could have been produced way ahead of time...only 2, 6 and 7 are true clues. But from what I've gathered, it seems possible.

Still, LBT 3 is LBT 3 and LBT 4 is LBT 4, because that's what they were released as.


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I just thought of another hint that this might have been the case.  There is a continuity error in the fourth film.  In that film, the valley is in relatively perfect order and Grandma affirms that the Great Valley has not changed when the Old One mentions how their lands had changed.  If the fourth film is meant to take place after the third film then the valley should still be recovering from the fires.


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LBT2 did not come with a sneak peak of LBT4. I had that VHS not long after it came out and I remember no such preview.

As for a sneak peak being available in LBT3, this does not necessarily mean that the movie was produced before LBT3. For starters, the whole movie may not have been finished yet, and they were only using scenes that were completed. The other, animation studios don't usually create just one movie/episode at a time as I recall. They work on several at once. For example, The Lion King and Pocahontas were actually produced at the same time, but TLK came out first while Pocahontas came out the following year.


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Upon further research, it seems that both films were produced at roughly the same time.  Neither one appears to have been pushed back.  Source


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Quote from: rhombus,Dec 11 2014 on  07:08 AM
I just thought of another hint that this might have been the case.  There is a continuity error in the fourth film.  In that film, the valley is in relatively perfect order and Grandma affirms that the Great Valley has not changed when the Old One mentions how their lands had changed.  If the fourth film is meant to take place after the third film then the valley should still be recovering from the fires.
Since when do they care about continuity anyway?  :p
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Quote from: Ducky123,Dec 11 2014 on  03:57 PM

Since when do they care about continuity anyway?  :p
That is true. Though they have made some refrances to the events of the past films.


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Quote from: rhombus,Dec 11 2014 on  01:08 AM
I just thought of another hint that this might have been the case.  There is a continuity error in the fourth film.  In that film, the valley is in relatively perfect order and Grandma affirms that the Great Valley has not changed when the Old One mentions how their lands had changed.  If the fourth film is meant to take place after the third film then the valley should still be recovering from the fires.
Hmm, I never thought it was chronologically set before, just that it was produced before.

The films aren't huge on continuity. Sure, 11 and 12 had the arc with Mr. Threehorn starting a new family, and LBT 5 recalls the events of LBT 2, but other than that, you could pretty much watch the sequels and not miss anything.


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This might be why Roy Allen Smith quit after 4, if he was made to make 3 and 4 at the same time. Making even one full length animated feature is a very involved and complicated process.
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Quote from: rhombus,Dec 11 2014 on  01:08 AM
I just thought of another hint that this might have been the case.  There is a continuity error in the fourth film.  In that film, the valley is in relatively perfect order and Grandma affirms that the Great Valley has not changed when the Old One mentions how their lands had changed.  If the fourth film is meant to take place after the third film then the valley should still be recovering from the fires.
Could have taken place quite some time after the fire.  We never know how long those time gaps are after all.  (Maybe that's why the call it the Land BEFORE time.  Argggggh!   :lol  )


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Quote from: Bruton the Iguanodon (again),Dec 11 2014 on  10:57 PM
Quote from: rhombus,Dec 11 2014 on  01:08 AM
I just thought of another hint that this might have been the case.  There is a continuity error in the fourth film.  In that film, the valley is in relatively perfect order and Grandma affirms that the Great Valley has not changed when the Old One mentions how their lands had changed.  If the fourth film is meant to take place after the third film then the valley should still be recovering from the fires.
Hmm, I never thought it was chronologically set before, just that it was produced before.

The films aren't huge on continuity. Sure, 11 and 12 had the arc with Mr. Threehorn starting a new family, and LBT 5 recalls the events of LBT 2, but other than that, you could pretty much watch the sequels and not miss anything.
You are kind of right, minus it might be nice to see the first film.  


However, the TV series seems to be the flip of that, as you'd have to see 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 (if you wondered who Pterano was), 8, 9, 10, 11 (if you wondered what a tinysaurus was), and 12 (13 was produced at the same time as the TV series ans so far, Loofah and Doofah don't make a reappearance, which is a pity as I found them adorable.)  (12 to find out who Guido and Tricia are.)  

If they finally addressed continuity in the TV series, I'm thinking that they will probably focus more on it in the upcoming films.


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Could have taken place quite some time after the fire. We never know how long those time gaps are after all. (Maybe that's why the call it the Land BEFORE time. Argggggh! dino_laugh.gif )
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You are kind of right, minus it might be nice to see the first film.
Yep, yep, yep! It's kinda odd to watch a series without watching how it started... I remember I avoided the first movie as a kid and I have NO idea why... kinda regret I did :p

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However, the TV series seems to be the flip of that, as you'd have to see 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 (if you wondered who Pterano was), 8, 9, 10, 11 (if you wondered what a tinysaurus was), and 12 (13 was produced at the same time as the TV series ans so far, Loofah and Doofah don't make a reappearance, which is a pity as I found them adorable.) (12 to find out who Guido and Tricia are.)
Sure, there are references to earlier movies quite frequently (and particularly in the series). It's okay to like the Yellowbellies though there might be some people who hate them to the bone  :unsure: Well, I didn't exactly like them but I can see why the writers created such characters.

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If they finally addressed continuity in the TV series, I'm thinking that they will probably focus more on it in the upcoming films.
Of course, they've also created some continuity issues... We shall hope the possibly coming LBT 14 will try to stay true to the previous movies :)
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Quote from: Ducky123,Dec 23 2014 on  08:14 AM
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Could have taken place quite some time after the fire. We never know how long those time gaps are after all. (Maybe that's why the call it the Land BEFORE time. Argggggh! dino_laugh.gif )
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You are kind of right, minus it might be nice to see the first film.
Yep, yep, yep! It's kinda odd to watch a series without watching how it started... I remember I avoided the first movie as a kid and I have NO idea why... kinda regret I did :p

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However, the TV series seems to be the flip of that, as you'd have to see 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 (if you wondered who Pterano was), 8, 9, 10, 11 (if you wondered what a tinysaurus was), and 12 (13 was produced at the same time as the TV series ans so far, Loofah and Doofah don't make a reappearance, which is a pity as I found them adorable.) (12 to find out who Guido and Tricia are.)
Sure, there are references to earlier movies quite frequently (and particularly in the series). It's okay to like the Yellowbellies though there might be some people who hate them to the bone  :unsure: Well, I didn't exactly like them but I can see why the writers created such characters.

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If they finally addressed continuity in the TV series, I'm thinking that they will probably focus more on it in the upcoming films.
Of course, they've also created some continuity issues... We shall hope the possibly coming LBT 14 will try to stay true to the previous movies :)

 
The death of mother longneck might have been the reason you didn't see it.  I know I avoided Charlotte's Web for years after finding out she died at the end.  In fact, even now, I'm not too keen on it because of that.  

I have watched the first LBT movie and, in fact, have found that if Mama Longneck didn't die,  it would so also the timeline that dozens of characters would die or have different destines.  

(I can say, for short, that the Gang of Five would all have died, Ali might have died, Hyp would have died, Grandpa Longneck would have died, some herds might have died in V as they would have broken up, Tippy and his herd would have died, Mo would have died, Tricia would have died,  Pterano would never have reformed, Shorty might have died,  Mama Flyer and Skip would have died, Petrie's sibling would have been orphans, Ozzy and Strut would have gotten all their eggs, Swooper would have stayed in the Mysterious Beyond, the Great Hideous Beast would never have been defeated, had Ruby met Chomper, it would have been the last thing she ever did (as he would not have met Littlefoot and hence been a bad Sharptooth), and, based on that, Chomper would not have been there to save Mama Flyer from the mud, hence her death.  I figured all of this since the others would have died in the Mountains that Burn as it was Littlefoot who saved them all and he'd have gone another way with Mama Longneck had she still been around and hence he'd have been the lone survivor of the Gang of Five.   As he was alone, he'd never have crossed paths with Chomper, hence making Chomper be a regular Sharptooth, and also Littlefoot, Nod, and Mutt wouldn't have been able to save Hyp from that tar pit alone.  Also, as there would have only be Ali to save Littlefoot in the fourth film, Littlefoot and Archie would have been made a meal of by Dil and Ichy.  Also, if Ali later broke through the rocks, she'd have met the same fate.)  Also, there are several characters who wouldn't have died, among them, Sharptooth himself, as well as the Plated Sharptooth from the fifth film and the Mountain Sharptooth from the 8th film.  All in all, her death makes the series possible.)

Also, one wonders greatly why Littlefoot didn't try and strange Chomper with those vines.  Based on some a song from the beginning of Great Valley adventure, there appears to be not much time between the end of the original film and the start of that one.  Given that he probably was still bummed out over losing his mother, and certainly knew what type had killed her, why didn't it ever cross his mind, when he laid eyes on Chomper "Yeah, he may look cute and innocent NOW, but when he's older, he could take someone's mother from him.  I've GOT to end him!".  Yeah, one may think, that's cold, and no character would do such a thing, despite their hurts.  However, Ali's herd almost does just that in Brave Longneck Scheme.  Is Littlefoot more moral than Ali's herd, including its leader?


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6. According to the wiki, some of the same audio from LBT 4 is recycled in LBT 3.
This one actually holds some truth. I'm rewatching all movies lately and I noticed that the end credits of LBT 3 start with the soundtrack that plays during the Night Flower scene in LBT 4...  :blink: Check it yourself if you don't believe me.
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It could be the reverse. Audio from LBT3 is recycled in LBT4.


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True, but usually music doesn't just come up in the end credits. Much rather, music which has been used in any LBT movie in the end credits usually appears in that very movie at some point other than in the end credits. The music theme I'm referring to is (unless my very recent memory fools me) not used in LBT 3 but in the end credits. That's why it caught my attention.
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