PlayStation 3 or Nintendo Wii?

Threehorn · **Reply #60 on:** December 11, 2006, 06:01:27 PM

In the UK a shop called the Gear Show. Talk about items that high tech and what would be a great seller and stuff putting things to the test. the final show had one last match up with a Blue ray DVD player and a Nintendo Wii in the UK. Wii won heads down with the three experts they brought in. all three saying Wii.

so it a hot chirstmas present

pokeplayer984 · **Reply #61 on:** December 12, 2006, 02:05:34 AM

Darn! I didn't get one!

Oh well, there's always next time. -_-

DarkHououmon · **Reply #62 on:** December 12, 2006, 03:12:25 AM

I doubt my family will bother getting a Wii. Asked my brother, who is more of a Nintendo fan than me and even he's not sure if we'll ever get a Wii in this house.

WeirdRaptor · **Reply #63 on:** December 12, 2006, 03:21:38 AM

You probably wouldn't be able to find one, anyway, because everyone and their grandma has already got one or preordered it, instead of the PS3, just as I predicted.

DarkHououmon · **Reply #64 on:** December 12, 2006, 03:39:02 AM

Well not everyone got a Wii. Many got PS3 as well. But considering that Wii was more abundant in stores (I think 20 per store, while PS3 had only 10), and was lower in price, it is pummelling PS3 to the ground in sales. It has over 1 million sales so far, I think, while PS3 has only 500,000 at least. This came as no surprise to me.

My parents probably wouldn't let a Wii in this house anyway, if Clint and I ever got the opportunity to buy one.

WeirdRaptor · **Reply #65 on:** December 12, 2006, 05:47:51 AM

It would have pummeled it in sales, anyway. Sony really dropped the ball this time. By the time their prices lower and they have more available, the demand for PS3's will no longer even exist, as everyone will already have the far superior Wii. Oh yeah, Sony's going to be edged out of the gaming business this time around. About time, too.

Now, after years of being berated and teased for liking the "kiddie" Nintendo, I can rub this in the arrogant faces of those X-Box and PS fans wouldn't leave me alone.

Keni · **Reply #66 on:** December 12, 2006, 08:51:49 AM

I agree, Sony really dropped the ball this generation. Not only the PS3 has a really outrageous price for what you want to buy it for, but Sony is really bleeding a lot of money for each console sold. And I think I read somewhere the PS3 hasn't even sold 500,000 units yet, it's so short on supplies and full with bugs and defects the system isn't even getting any good reviews to start with. Plus, I read that Sony is considering in making a motion sensing controller similar to the Wii Remote, once again ripping off an idea from Nintendo. Not sure if this news is bogus or real, but it's out there; google is your friend.

In all honestly and in my opinion, I cannot picture the PS3 succeeding this generation, it's already losing exclusive titles to the Xbox 360 and Nintendo Wii that I cannot see the reason to even get a PS3 for now, it seems to be going downhill and being lost in the dust compared to the Nintendo Wii and Xbox 360 sales. Sony either needs to debuff their system or stick to software designs, they're bleeding money with the PS3 for now.

pokeplayer984 · **Reply #67 on:** December 12, 2006, 10:31:30 AM

A friend of mine has given a comparasion of the two. Here's what he said about them.

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PS3:
The PS3 is all Sony hype. Its NOT more powerful than the Xbox 360, infact, the GPU is actually WEAKER in the PS3 since the GPU has 24 pixel pipelines, 8 vertex shader pipelines. The Xbox 360's GPU has 48 Unified Shaders that can scale, meaning it can be 32 pixel pipelines, 8 vertex, 24 pixel, 24 vertex, and whatnot. The Cell is an architectural piece of trash and is extremely difficult to develop for (being in IT and computers since I was seven, I seen many processors and designs. Also, many developers agree, even John Carmack of ID and CliffyB of Epic, both very good and well known developers, called the processor a "pain in my ***". Its on the level of the Sega Saturn when it comes to development difficulty, which is what killed the Saturn). Its just one main PowerPC core and six to seven small, weak co-processors that have the power of a 500-700MHz equivalent of its main processor. So its not as "uber powerful" as Sony wants you to believe, its about as powerful as the Xbox 360's TriCore 3.2GHz PowerPC CPU.

The online service is just like the PS2s, nothing is centralised. Only thing they added was a web page based marketplace. Every game needs a login name. Sony wants to try to complete against Xbox Live, but it appears they definitely under delivered on that as its not near as good from what many developers and previewers say. I also heard it uses raw IP stacks (no ceneralised protocols) like the PS2 did, meaning the developer has to develop all the online play protocols, software, etc for it, making online development far more difficult. The online play is free, but you get what you pay for...

Also, Blu-Ray, and HD-DVD, have HORRIBLE seek times (or how fast the drive's laser can move back and forth to read the data) so it keeps with Sony's bad load time repetition. Infact, Oblivion loads more than two times slower than it does on Xbox 360 from what's been said. This is why Microsoft didn't use HD-DVD (infact, MS surveyed many developers and asked if they wanted more space or better seek time, vast majority wanted better seek time.)

The controller is not unique at all, it uses a 10 year old tilt technology that flopped miserably on PC and third party controllers. It was a poor attempt to stab at the Nintendo Wii. All they did is take the same controller design they been using for over 10 years (and its age really, really shows) and take out the rumble motors and replace them with basic digital tilt sensors.

Backwards compatibility is one strong point, since unlike the Xbox 360, they can easily use hardware-based backwards compatibility. Microsoft had to use an emulator and its became well, a pain in the *** for MS to get all the games working. So definitely expect PS3's backwards compatibility to be much better. But I heard there's also problems with the backwards computability on the PS3 as well, from what some Japanese early-adopters are finding out, such as random glitches, sounds issues, graphical issues, random freezes, even delayed button recognition, and whatnot. Not sure what games will be affected until it launches here in North America, though.

Also, the PS3's launch lineup is weak. The best game on it is Resistance: Fall of Man which does look like it will be good. But other than that, 80% of them are multiplatform games. Also, quite abit of games have been delayed as well, probity due to difficulty of development.

Also, the price point of $600 is painful, and I don't see how its worth that much...

I hate what Sony has done this generation, did nothing but lie constantly and bash the Xbox 360 like no tomorrow. Sony has gone to pretty low standards, like releasing false comparison charts, making false claims, done allot of bashing, and whatnot. What this shows to me is that Sony is afraid of their competition, especially since they know the Xbox 360 threatens to take their leadership away.

I think the PS3 will have some great games of course but its not what Sony is hyping it to be. I hate to be bashing it so much but I hate how Sony has gone with this and lied to make it look better than it is, and deceived people into believing this stuff.

Wii:

Wii is definitely a interesting concept, the controller is the biggest selling point and the most interesting aspect. I think it will play very well with some games (especially Nintendo games) but not work so well with several other games.

The Wii is very underpowered compared to the rest though. It only has a 750MHz single core PowerPC processor and a 250MHz 4 pixel pipeline GPU (compared to PS3's 550MHz 24 pixel pipeline GPU and Xbox 360's 500MHz 48 Unified Shadier GPU), making it only about as powerful as the original Xbox was.

But that wasn't Nintendo's focus on the system, the focus was the control and the games, which Nintendo seems to be delivering well on the Wii. Games like Super Mario Galaxy, Super Smash Bros. Brawl, Zelda: Twilight Princess, and whatnot are all very good games.

It, like all the rest, will have a marketplace like system, but its primarily for Nintendo's Virtual Console service. The online service is not known too much yet since most games won't be having online play on the Wii until 2007.

But the Wii is looking like a really good contender, and defently shows a unique move from Nintendo with the "Wiimote" controller.

Understand fully that his opinons weren't based on anything within the realm of opinion, unless otherwise indicated. :^.^:

I'm not giving up on the Wii yet! I've got other places to try. I heard that a certian store is getting them on Sunday. In fact, all of that store within my home state are getting them on that day. So that helps. :^.^:

Of course, it being so close to Christmas, I'm going to have to set up camp at least a day early in front of the store just to have the best chance of getting one.

DarkHououmon · **Reply #68 on:** December 12, 2006, 01:41:50 PM

I don't think PS3 will be the last system Sony will produce. In fact I see these mistakes they made with this system will be a lesson for them for when they create PS4. After all, you learn more and gain more from your mistakes than your succeeds.

Ah, yeah I heard some people call Nintendo "kiddie" because of it's mostly E-rated games. But I see it more of a family-oriented console than PS and X-Box. Doesn't mean it's kiddish.

WeirdRaptor · **Reply #69 on:** December 12, 2006, 07:18:54 PM

If they don't succeed with the PS3, there won't be a PS4, because the PS will have officially become a liability.

Why did you just defend the Gamcube? I thought you hated the GC as much as I dispice the PS. I'm curious, not mean here.

DarkHououmon · **Reply #70 on:** December 12, 2006, 07:36:13 PM

Oh, sorry if I gave you that impression. I don't hate Gamecube. I don't play on it as often as the PS2, but I still enjoy playing games on it.

WeirdRaptor · **Reply #71 on:** December 12, 2006, 11:48:40 PM

Woops. Sorry.

I have to admit, myself, I do like some PS games, though. "Devil May Cry" and "Devil May Cry 3" being tops on that list. Ijust hope DMC4 doesn't follow DMC2's example.

Littlefoot1616 · **Reply #72 on:** March 24, 2007, 05:16:48 AM

Not necessarily continuing with this poll but just wanted to know how the PS3 is selling over in the States (and other countries besides). The PS3 went on sale yesterday (23/3/07) and the only system that was available was the 60GB one. Apparently, Europe was not due to receive PS3s with different sized hard drives. There's supposed to be a 40GB and an 80GB supposedly but I don't know how true that it. The asking price dipped from £550 ish to £425 (approx $834/628 Euros) for just the console.

The major hype about the PS3 has been its versitility in connecting to other medium via cable, wireless or bluetooth (PSP, cameras, mobiles/cell phones etc) and, of course, the biggest bragging right that it is probably one of the first Blu-Ray disc players the UK has seen.

I heard that the PS3 didn't launch too well in the States. How true is that? I work in a store that sold PS3 and (despite being a fairly small town) we hardly had a mad crush for our stock. We sold 3 pre-sold consoles despite hvaing about 7 on hand. Most likely the biggest crush was up in the capitial and other major cities of the country but unlike the 360 and Wii, I haven't heard much of the stupidly long lengths of queues for these machines. I can't say it been much of a successful launch on this end. Just wondering if it were the same sitch else where in the world.

Oh...and for the record...I DID end up getting a Wii (and I love it! :^.^: )

novaflare · **Reply #73 on:** March 24, 2007, 08:33:28 AM

PS3 for sure. The wii is a fad machine. No diffrent than the power glove or the dance pad twister thing. The absolute only diffrence this time is nintendo made a entire game system in to a flash in the pan fad machine. I strongly feel that this is nintendos last ditch effort to make alot of money before they go under.

If you all knew me a bit better youd know im rarely wrong on these predictions when it comes to the game industry. But lets look at nintendos recent history from super nes on up.
Super nes was a great system the first of the game consols capable of 3d graphics soon followed by sony ps1 another great game consol this was easly the golden age of game consols. Sony and nintendo both had the market tied down tightly. This is also the time that sega started to die off. End of the era of great side scrolling 2d graphic games like defender also the decline of the video arcade started.

N64 nintendos first mistake. Sony ps1 sales still going strong with n64s release their sales only went up and many a developer junped ship from nintendo do to sony ps1s ease of development. They were not limited to for example 256k to a few megs of memory that cartrages allowed for (pre large storage flash memory. cds 650 mb n64 cartrage 32 megs. Opps nintendo should have done as all the critics said and made that move to cd/dvd rom media. even sony ps1 is out selling you.

Sony sees the future is in dvd media and starts workign on ps2 fast to get it out on market. Nintendo releases game cube soon after but like they anounced it uses a special dvd media a half sized disk and the system will not play dvd movies bad move. More game developers jump ship but a few other join up as well. These few think that hey we can keep out games from being distributed online. They were wrong of corse. Most soon jump ship a few are traped by contract
Sony ps2 sales go sky high. Many develops flock to it even though its a little harder to program for. They simply put can debug their games faster. Can offer online play etc. They can even offer remote upgrades by storing them on a memory card.
Nintendo all system sales still going down.

PS3 comes out xbox 360 etc come out both play movies both offer fast to market game media thats cheap to press.
Nintendo pulls a fast one (in more ways than 1) they make a system that is all gimic and somethign that will die a fast fad like death. Cute idea baddly implimented. See varioud reports on the controls flying apart etc. Sales currently on rise do to media hype and involvement.

I did not cover hand helds in the above. But once you figure in the psp and its movie play back abiities and the fact many a dvd is released on psp disk at the same time and in a few cases in the same packaging you know its a winning choice. while nintendo has the ds with a yep cartrage based system. I think you can see why i beleive this may very well be the last days of nintendo.

Keni · **Reply #74 on:** March 24, 2007, 01:43:00 PM

The PS3 sold out everywhere on launch day, but on the other hand Sony came extremely short in supplies. Currently the system isn't moving so well, there are people saying they see PS3s sitting on the shelves while the Nintendo Wii is selling like hotcakes.

The Nintendo Wii on the other hand is being gobbled up the minute it's on the shelves, everywhere you try to go they're sold out and you'll be lucky to find even one. I got a Nintendo Wii since launch and I love it, never regret getting one.

And novaflare, I disagree with your post about these being Nintendo's last days. They know to make great profit with their systems. N64 may not have been groundbreaking, but it made a lot of money. But I do agree the N64 being a weak point in Nintendo's history.

The Nintendo Gamecube sold fairly well and made a lot more money than the Xbox and PS2. It took a while for the PS2 to turn from money loss into profit and Microsoft was losing money with each Xbox sold until the last years of the generation.

The Nintendo DS is DOMINATING the handheld market, outselling the PSP by a landslide and raking in the big bucks.

As for the Nintendo Wii, like I said, they're selling like hotcakes the minute they hit the shelves, and its future looks very promising. The PS3 is losing exclusives and they don't seem to be selling well with the $600 pricetag, running a dead last in the current gen's console race. Its sells will pick up of course, but like the PS2 Sony will lose money with each console sold until it sells a huge amount for it to turn profits while Nintendo rakes in heavy profit since day 1.

The Wii's remotes flying around are the gamers' fault, they insist on doing exagerated moves when it's simple motions. And they made the right choice leaving out the movie playing features, I have a computer and a DVD player for that. Why increase its price just to include a DVD player in it? I buy videogame consoles for games, not to watch movies on them.

With all that said and done, Nintendo isn't going anywhere and these are DEFINETLY not its last days. And Nintendo is not going under, in fact they're nowhere near being finished, I'd say they're in the correct road and should stay that way. They're going to be around for a long time.

KingdomKey23 · **Reply #75 on:** March 24, 2007, 03:37:36 PM

No offense, but I think you're way wrong about Nintendo, nova. PS3 is the one who has been having trouble. From what I heard, most of the PS3's games so far have done real badly, the graphics aren't great, and get this...some of them seem to catch on fire if played for a certain time. :blink: Wii on the other hand has been doing rather well. Agreeing with Keni's statement, I could not find one Wii, but plenty of PS3's. Besides, Nintendo has done rather well with its games. (Most of the Mario games still go strong) I don't know where you got the idea that Nintendo would be going down the tube. Let's not forget if it wasn't for Nintendo, the states probably would have never seen video games, ever. (They said the VG trend was dying down until Super Mario Brothers was realeased for the Nintendo in America) Forgive me if I sounded a bit harsh, I am a Nintendo fan, and I just find it hard to believe Nintendo is done for, considering the games that are on the way like Super Smash Brothers Brawl...that will bring in a big herd of gamers. I'm not saying PS3 is doomed, but it isn't doing too hot. Plus, I heard Squre-Enix wanted to try bring some of their games to the Wii because they liked it so much, so maybe a future Final Fantasy title or Kingdom Hearts title will be for it.

Okay, okay, so Nintendo didn't have online play nor did it have the best graphics, but it was a lot more fun than most games. Games aren't just judged by graphics you know.

Again, if sound a bit harsh I apologize, but you've just experenced the wrath of an angry Nintendo fan. XD

novaflare · **Reply #76 on:** March 24, 2007, 04:35:17 PM

Quote from: KingdomKey23,Mar 24 2007 on 03:37 PM

No offense, but I think you're way wrong about Nintendo, nova. PS3 is the one who has been having trouble. From what I heard, most of the PS3's games so far have done real badly, the graphics aren't great, and get this...some of them seem to catch on fire if played for a certain time. :blink: Wii on the other hand has been doing rather well. Agreeing with Keni's statement, I could not find one Wii, but plenty of PS3's. Besides, Nintendo has done rather well with its games. (Most of the Mario games still go strong) I don't know where you got the idea that Nintendo would be going down the tube. Let's not forget if it wasn't for Nintendo, the states probably would have never seen video games, ever. (They said the VG trend was dying down until Super Mario Brothers was realeased for the Nintendo in America) Forgive me if I sounded a bit harsh, I am a Nintendo fan, and I just find it hard to believe Nintendo is done for, considering the games that are on the way like Super Smash Brothers Brawl...that will bring in a big herd of gamers. I'm not saying PS3 is doomed, but it isn't doing too hot. Plus, I heard Squre-Enix wanted to try bring some of their games to the Wii because they liked it so much, so maybe a future Final Fantasy title or Kingdom Hearts title will be for it.

Okay, okay, so Nintendo didn't have online play nor did it have the best graphics, but it was a lot more fun than most games. Games aren't just judged by graphics you know.

Again, if sound a bit harsh I apologize, but you've just experenced the wrath of an angry Nintendo fan. XD

First none taken.

To me nintendo wii looks like smell like and sounds like a media hype success to me. Look at the silly conrolers they put out before. Like that pad thing you ran on and danced on. Those things sold like mad millions sold. In the end you seen them at yardsales or in the trash months later. This time they have taken the concept of it to a new level. The entire system is based on the idea of getting a work out playing a game. Personally when i sit down to play a game i want to basically relax and enjoy the game. When i want to get a work out i go out for a nice 20 to 40 mile bike ride.

If wii is still going strong in a year to 18 months time then ill say ok i was wrong. But in till that time period is up ill stick to my guns on this. Ive watched to many nintendo product get media hype sales they are fun for a while then poof gone. Right now its something new and diffrent nintendo tossed it on to the market with little notice got peoples intrest up etc.

Now they need to keep makign it more intresting and they have time and time again had a hard time doing that.

Personally i stopped with consol gamign after trhe ps2 and went to online gaming. The finale fantasy games turned to trash after ff7. And they had no really epic rpgs after it ither. Wild arms was awesome breath of fire again great dozens apon dozens of others with great stories. Then ps2 hits and its sports sports and more sport toss in some racing here and there some lame fighting game or 3 toss in a few play the role of a murderer games and call it a day.

Regardless of how much we would like these are the twilight years of gameing only consols. Looks at microsofts latest offering the 360 does it also have the ability to browse the web? As does ps3 ?

How much longer pure gaming consols have is any ones guess realy. It will be a shame when consols are a thing of the past. Simply put mhz for mhz mg of ram for meg of ram consols will always out perform computers game for game. Simply put the consol has no os over head beyond loadign the cd wich has a os of sorts on it as well.

The only games i play on computer are online and when i still bothered i had like 200 across 3 consols. 90% rpg 8% action adventure last 1% was a fighting game or 2.

Keni · **Reply #77 on:** March 24, 2007, 04:46:39 PM

What you say is understandable, gaming has gotten a bit weak recently, I've been considering in quitting gaming myself until I caught wind of the Nintendo Wii and its capabilities and potential. But even so there are still some great titles coming out. And personally I enjoyed the Final Fantasy games after FF7, to tell you the truth I find FF7 a way overrated game. Don't get me wrong, it's a great RPG but I don't think it deserves this much praise it has IMO.

As for the Nintendo Wii being a "work out" system, that's a WAY exagerated claim. The games I have for the Wii so far CAN be played sitting down, it's just little flicks of the wrists. Granted, some games are required to be played standing up like some sports in Wii Sports, but the system does not need exessive movements. I've seen sneak peeks of coming soon games for the Wii, they show a lot of promise with different and unique control schemes for the Wii Remote.

I also wonder how long these consoles will remain "gaming" consoles, with the new systems implementing online access and media access, I'm worried the future consoles will turn into another computer with all these extras. IMO keep them as simple as gaming consoles, they don't really need all these extra belts and whistles to increase their price tags and turn us off.

KingdomKey23 · **Reply #78 on:** March 24, 2007, 04:57:29 PM

Yeah, I agree with Keni. Not a lot of games have been doing great in the recent years, and I had no idea you hated the FF games after 7 (I didn't really like 8 and 9 was a bit too hard), nova. (Shrugs) Oh, well. Nowadays there are very few games that stand out. Back in the day mostly every game that came out was amazing, but now things have gone down hill. Moving back to the Wii, not all of the games are standing up, some can be played sitting down. There is a racing game which you told the Wii a certain way and requires very little movment. Some games try to take full advantage of the Wii while others don't. I think Zelda: TP could be played sitting down. I completely understand where you're coming from, nova.

WeirdRaptor · **Reply #79 on:** March 24, 2007, 08:21:05 PM

I think nova may be a little bitter more than anything over something, his posts are more rants than valid arguments, actually. He has yet to actually give us a single shred of real evidence that he can show to us with his claims about Nintendo. No offense, but I can't take your stance seriously here, nova.

I've been playing the Wii for months and I have yet to even begin to grow bored with it. And most of people in my social circle have the same stance. Its not just a media hype machine. Its a genuinly fun console to play with. Of course, only someone willing to give it a chance would know that, now wouldn't they?