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« Reply #20 on: January 30, 2008, 10:55:02 PM »
I have also.  I find it sorta annoying but I do my best to ignore it since it appears so much.

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« Reply #21 on: March 09, 2008, 04:45:56 PM »
My review on –the cave of the many voices“ is going to be very random I suppose. While watching the episode for the first time (German version) I wrote everything I was thinking of on the back of an envelope (which I noticed later on was one which I might have better kept clear of pencil scribbles) while watching the English original I was scribling on the back of a library voucher. The result were these two pieces of paper randomly scribled with German, English, nonsense and a few symbols:

My overall impression of the episode was rather positive. The translators had some tricky things to translate and I must say they mostly did a good job in transfering the message rather than trying forcibly to stick to the literal meaning. There were some passages where they rhymed in English but not in German and the other way round. There were a few strange terms though. In the German version Ruby’s “Oh dear” from the English version was translated to “Ach Du dickes Drachenei”. Litterally translated back to English this would mean “Oh you thick dragon-egg!” and would stand for a kind of “lizardized” version of “Oh dear”. It still is funny to think of LBT dinosaurs as thinking about dragons. Interestingly Chomper’s “planteaters” was translated to “Flachz‰hne” (“flatteeth”). Cera’s (English) use of the term “appetizer” made me think of her “raw, medium, or well done?” question in LBT 5. At times the dinosaurs of LBT seem to be surprisingly familiar with human terms, but I count this as funny rather than annoying if it is not too excessively used. They translated “Redclaw” to “Rotklaue” which is quite correctly translated, but I still prefer the English name.
I noticed red claws claw was red, which (though it seems to make sense) is rather strange. I don’t see how a claw consisting of horn only without any blood vessels in it could be scarred into redness. One of the effects not to be thought about too much I reckon. I was quite pleased not to see another type of redness in the episode. They did not turn everything red in a dangerous situation. They did use another “effect” unseen in the sequels though. In case of danger they increase the suspension by screening of (when Littlefoot, Cera, and Chomper were sliding towards Redclaw) and leaving the screen black for some moments. I was happy with the animation in general.
I found the topic of “talking big” somewhat appealing. They translated “talking big” as “talking loud” which I don’t think hits the mark. After all it is not just that Ducky is talking quieter than Ruby, is it? Ruby had an interesting way of talking but I must say I am not quite convinced about some of the effects ascribed to her talk. For example I don’t really see why those two bigger domeheads would be scarred into dropping Ducky’s treestars at Ruby’s demand. Nor do I see why the domeheads would go after Ducky’s tresstars in a Valley full of treestars in the first place? Why was Ruby the only one to help Ducky, while the others were around too? These things are somewhat strange, but I doubt there will be any more point in discussing them as in discussing the unrealistically “pouring” stalactites in Chomper’s cave (more like pipes rather than stalactites). Speaking of the dripping in Chomper’s cave, he seems to be more sensitive about the sound of dripping water than Ruby. She did not appear to be tired the next morning, while Chomper certainly was. Littlefoot, Cera, Ducky, Petrie, and Spike were all out in the open (with no real cave whatsoever) and just seemed to be somewhat annoyed, but not overly troubled by the water. Chomper seems to be somewhat “hydrophobic”. Perhaps this makes kind of sense for a sharptooth. The planteaters on the other hand seemed to feel much less at ease in the cave than Chomper did.
There were several more interesting points about Chomper and his relationship with the others for anyone who has not seen the TV episodes so far. First of all, he sure has not just a “hatchling’s bite”, gnawing through stalactites in his fury (Redclaw and his cronies proved surprisingly capable at digging through solid rock too). The others aluded to Chomper’s being a carnivore but in a somewhat joking manner (“don’t look at me!”). Petrie led Chomper to his food. There is definitely no “guilty conscience” about dooming a tribe of insects, even though he is not interested in the “details”. I think this is quite “okay” for the LBT characters. No other way to keep Chomper in the Great Valley for sure. One might see this as a minor conflict with Littlefoot’s interest in such creatures as a frog (“hopper” in the original movie) and a dragonfly in LBT 4. Maybe the dinosaurs in the Great Valley consider creatures like insects and “not talking non-dinosaurs” of any sort pretty much the way we would consider animals. An exception for this rule would be Tickles from LBT 4, a creature probably of a proper size to make a meal for Chomper; I guess I’m getting a bit off topic here.
Ruby too is shown as no vegetarian. I wonder if her eating habbits ever provoke similar comments as those given to Chomper? We see Ruby eat a shell in the movie (very likely a creature even less likely to be regarded a “creature” than insects).
The movie clearly stated that the parents of Littlefoot and the others left the caves to Chomper and Ruby. For all I know there has never been any real explanation neither for their being in the Valley, nor for Ruby’s being kind of a “nanny” for Chomper. It would sure be interesting to learn more about this.
Notably there was the reference to Saurus Rock from LBT 6. Also I noticed they used one background we have seen before. This image has been around for a while:

It is associated with LBT 11 though (same as a couple of similar pictures refering to LBT 11) it is definitely not a screenshot. We do see the same background in one scene from “The cave of the many voices”.
One interesting fact was that Chomper recognized that there would be an echo in the cave before he had even given it a try. He seems to be very well aware of physics of sound. The same is not true for much older (and probably more experienced) Redclaw and his cronies. Unlike the kids they were very confused and scarred by the echos. Again I suppose this is minor lack of realism not too hard to tolerate. The final statement of Ducky appeared a little mawkish; but never mind.


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« Reply #22 on: March 09, 2008, 08:01:54 PM »
Malte.....if you write a review this long for each tv episode, your fingers are gonna fall off. :lol


And yes I did read the whole thing.  I think you're being a little too technical.  The domeheads might have just wanted to be jerks or something.  Maybe they're really dumb or found it hard to get treestars in another way.  If you keep looking at things this way with the tv series, I doubt you'll be able to sleep at night when you see the other ones.  "the cave of many voices" was one of the best and most consistent tv episodes.

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« Reply #23 on: March 09, 2008, 08:05:30 PM »
I don't want to say much since it may spoil your watching the series, but all I will say is if you watch 2 episodes: The Star Day Celebration, and Return to Hanging Rock, both of those have some flashbacks which should give you most or all of the information that any viewer knows about Ruby.

As to the Domeheads, it could be they recently came to the Great Valley and were not use to the residents share alike, there is plenty for all, sort of attitude (well except for Cera's dad who doesn't have those feelings much yet).

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« Reply #24 on: March 09, 2008, 08:09:55 PM »
Ah, good point Kor.  The domeheads might have grown up in the mysterious beyond and been taught by their mother that the only way to get food was to steal it in order to stay alive.  Food is extremely scarce in the mysterious beyond after all.  Who knows how young they were?

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« Reply #25 on: March 09, 2008, 08:45:37 PM »
Maybe some fingers have to be sacrificed for the sake of discussion ;)
As the episodes are shown daily here (rather than once a week or the like) I don't think I will be able to write something that long every time. I'll do my very best though. I'm late, but there may still be elements about some episodes not yet mentioned or discussed though they may be worth of discussing.
I agree though that there is probably little point in trying to figure out something plausible about all the minor issues I mentioned above. I doubt there will be a satisfactory explanation for the domeheads acting. They were both taller than Ruby was. Is she really such a great rhetoric?
The Star Day celebration is in fact one of the few episodes I did watch some time ago already.

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« Reply #26 on: March 10, 2008, 07:29:24 AM »
One thing I forgot to mention is that there are some interesting background melodies in the episode. It is most notable in the scene when they are chasing Redclaw away with the echos (and in the subsequent scenes), but there are other scenes as well with melodies composed for the series rather than for earlier LBT movies. In case of this episode I don't think there is any music from the earlier LBT movies excepting the remake of adventuring, is there?

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« Reply #27 on: April 06, 2008, 03:19:06 PM »
I thought the part when Chomper gets angery when his cave leaks was funny because i never seen him get like that before he is usually cute and more calmed down but he is a little older now and his calm personality could have changed some mabie he dose not like to get wet a lot or at least in this part he dident wont to. I think it would have been more funny if he bit Ruby's arm or just plain bit her. :lol

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« Reply #28 on: April 06, 2008, 05:03:37 PM »
Maybe he was very frustrated he couldn't get any sleep with the dripping.  Even if he had gone into the next cave farther in he'd still have heard the dripping.  And getting wet in a leaking cave would just make it even worst.

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« Reply #29 on: April 06, 2008, 05:12:43 PM »
yes i tink so also the cave would have made a lot of noise and he would not get much sleep in the cave at all.

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« Reply #30 on: April 06, 2008, 05:46:09 PM »
It is a bit strange though that Ruby didn't seem to be bothered at all. The dripping water didn't seem to disturb her sleep either. Only Chomper appeared to be tired the next morning.

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« Reply #31 on: April 06, 2008, 05:54:44 PM »
mabie Ruby sleeps in another part of the cave where she can hear the noise but she stays close by near Chomper. That was a good point you made.

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« Reply #32 on: April 06, 2008, 06:12:52 PM »
If another part of the cave was dry enough for Ruby to sleep perfectly undisturbed I guess there wouldn't have been any reason for Chomper not to go there too. There would have been no need to search for a new cave at all. Anyway, perhaps Ruby is just the sounder sleeper of the two.

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« Reply #33 on: April 06, 2008, 06:27:44 PM »
yes thats also true sence the whole cave flooded out so mabie Ruby just sleped out side of the cave and so did chomper but Chomper was propley so distirbed that he was up all night having truble going back to sleep.

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« Reply #34 on: April 06, 2008, 08:04:03 PM »
It could be she is a more sound sleeper.  Maybe he has a harder time getting to sleep then the average person.  Things have to be just right for him to get to sleep and get a good sleep.

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« Reply #35 on: April 07, 2008, 07:34:04 PM »
that could be it sounds right to me and like i said he could have been so disturbed that he could not have gotten back to sleep we kind of said close to the same thing thats neat. B)  :D  :yes

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« Reply #36 on: April 07, 2008, 07:44:42 PM »
Maybe Ruby doesn't mind getting wet. The flashbacks seem to indicate this.

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« Reply #37 on: April 07, 2008, 08:43:54 PM »
Maybe her family sleeps in caves at times, she may also be use to the sound of dripping as well as being a sound sleeper.

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« Reply #38 on: April 08, 2008, 08:27:21 PM »
that could also be true. :yes

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« Reply #39 on: August 06, 2008, 02:07:09 AM »
It was funny that chomper scares off the other sharpteeth.Being crushed by a herd of flat teeth is dangerous and probably happens often.Maybe  that is the best way to get food by scaring them off a cliff?  :unsure: