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Yes it was... :)
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Having learned a bit about US presidents of lately I'm going to stick with them for a while:

Which US president had to watch his son being crushed to death in a train accident?


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That would be grant.. right?
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Nope. As a matter of fact Grant was lucky, loosing none of his four children to an early death (as happened very often back then). All of his children (two daughters and two sons) survived their dad to live into 20th century.


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Theodore Roosevelt?
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Nope. One of Roosevelts three sons, Quentin Roosevelt, died before his father, shot down as a pilot during WW1. His other three sons and two daughters all survived him.
The president we are talking of was a 19th century president, and none of the most famous.


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So that narrows it down... Franklin Pierce?
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Indeed. He and his wife were in the same train but survived the accident. Your turn.


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He served from 1852-1856.  Name me the "forgettable presidents. There's several of them..
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I think the term forgettable presidents or those who are to be labeled forgettable is somewhat disputed (and with a certain justification I think), but the interpretation of who was forgettable which I heard most frequently names all the presidents from Rutherford B. Hayes to William McKinnley as "forgetable".
apart from those two that would be James Garfield (perhaps he died too soon to be remembered for anything but incompetent surgeons), Chestar A. Arthur (to this day I wonder why the assassinator of Garfield was so keen to get Arthur into office (that wish was his motive) his previous performance as Collector of the Port of New York did not exactly cast a good light on him), Grover Cleveland (he wrote about women's suffrage: "Sensible and responsible women do not want to vote. The relative positions to be assumed by men and women in the working out of our civilization were assigned long ago by a higher intelligence." So let's better ban him from our mind ;) One thing that shouldn't be forgotten totally is that he kind of put an end to the dwindling of presidential power to the Congress who had cut presidential powers ever since Johnson), Benjamin Harrison (Perhaps the coldest fish ever to sit in the oval office. When a friend told him: "For godness sake, be human!" he responded: "I tried! I failed! I will never try again!" people probably didn't want to remember).
I find it kind of sad to see McKinnley listed among the forgetables and even sadder to see him remembered as the president that led the nation into the war against Spain. He was a pacifist at heart and conceded to the cries for war on Spain only when it was certain that he would be overruled anyway. More than most of his predecessors (under the strong impression of the Monroe Doctrine) he looked beyond the borders of the US.
There are more presidents who may deserve the label "forgetable" more than some of those whom I've most frequently been told to forget about.
Calvin Coolidge in my oppinion deserves mainly to be remembered for thinking that the president shouldn't do anything at all to be remembered. William Henry Harrison must be remembered for heroically defying the nasty weather during his inaugural speech (refusing to wear a coat or a head) which drastically shortened his working time in the White House.
Coolidge's predecessor Warren G. Harding is another worthy canidate I think. He was a compromise choice among the canidates and was picked because he had no enemies. He didn't have any enemies because he didn't do anything at all that would have alienated anyone, he didn't do anything that anyone would have liked either. His presidency was overshadowed by corruptcy. At least he was the first president to visit the state to be Alaska  -_- .


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Well Done those are the "forgetable ones" Whether through lack of ability, or Fate of assassination, those presidents did not leave much of a record. I incluge Grant as forgettable, because while he was a great war hero, he was not a politician, and his government became very corrupt..
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The question is whether a government should be forgotten because it was corrupt. Forgetting mistakes means not to learn from them.
Staying with US presidents' personal tragedies, which president lost both his mother and his wife on the same day?


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andrew Jackson?
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theodore Roosevelt?
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Indeed. His mother and his first wife died within a few hours.


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Which country pettitioned the Us the US to annex it in the 1870s, and how close did it come to being annexed?
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The Dominican Republic. A majority of the people voted in favor of being annexed by the US, but US Congress didn't play along.
In later times the Dominican Republic was occupied by US troops (1916 to 1924), but never annexed.


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Yes, but I'm also looking for the vote on it. The Senate deals with treaties like this, not the entire Congress.
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It does prove very tricky for me to get such numbers from the net. Perhaps the US version of google is more ready to provide these details. I've been trying checking out .gov pages in particular, but while I got a number of 99.3 of the Domincans in favor of the annexation back then I didn't find any reference to the outcome of the US Senate vote.