British History Quiz

Malte279 · **Reply #180 on:** October 08, 2005, 03:10:24 PM

So to speak. But what was it exactly. Who was married to whom and under which circumstances? Remember the Welsh were not exactly high-society in those days.

Nick22 · **Reply #181 on:** October 08, 2005, 06:36:05 PM

Yes, I'm guessing that the marraige occured sometime in the 1500s, perhaps one of the wives of Henry VIII was a Tudor...

Malte279 · **Reply #182 on:** October 09, 2005, 03:03:06 AM

Henry VIII WAS a Tudor. So the claim to the Throne is older. His father Henry VII took over from Richard III after the battle of Bosworth 1485 (my kingdom for a horse!). But what was the claim based on in the first place?

Nick22 · **Reply #183 on:** October 09, 2005, 06:00:44 PM

I'm guessing that the claim was based on a victory in battle...

Malte279 · **Reply #184 on:** October 09, 2005, 06:30:07 PM

Nobody would have joined him to fight that battle (Bosworth) unless there had been some kind of claim to the throne based on... what?

Nick22 · **Reply #185 on:** October 09, 2005, 06:34:47 PM

children...

Malte279 · **Reply #186 on:** October 09, 2005, 06:37:53 PM

??? Anyone who has children has a claim to the throne???

Nick22 · **Reply #187 on:** October 09, 2005, 06:46:05 PM

Henry had a hier to the throne ready in his son, and thus could guarantee the surcvival of the crown.

Malte279 · **Reply #188 on:** October 10, 2005, 04:26:09 AM

But having a son did not do to qualify for the throne I'm afraid. Farmers Tom, Dick, and Harry had sons too. Also Henry VII oldest son (not Henry VIII) was born only after his father had taken the throne already. That oldest son died however making room for second eldest Henry VIII. Anyway, the roots of the Tudor claim to the throne are older (but still from 15th century).
You are not going to guess this by chance. Better check out google or Wikipedia (or an example of 15th century yellowpress in case you get hold of it

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Nick22 · **Reply #189 on:** October 10, 2005, 09:00:56 AM

very funny malte

Alright.. it's Google time

Malte279 · **Reply #190 on:** October 12, 2005, 01:04:23 AM

This name may be helpful for you: Owain ap Maredudd

Nick22 · **Reply #191 on:** October 12, 2005, 01:06:54 PM

Owen Maredudd?

Malte279 · **Reply #192 on:** October 12, 2005, 01:35:51 PM

There are different ways to spell his name which was impossible for the English to pronounce. Therefore he adapted the English name "Owen Tudor". What was it about him?

Nick22 · **Reply #193 on:** October 12, 2005, 01:55:07 PM

His wife had been the mother of Henry VI, but After the Death of the consort, her first husband, she was forced into retirement.

Malte279 · **Reply #194 on:** October 12, 2005, 02:31:54 PM

Yes, pretty much like this. The big deal is that the queen Catherine of Valois (wife of deceased king Henry V and mother to king Henry VI) had a love affair with her knight Owen Tudor. They had at least five children. They may have possibly wedded secretly, but there is no ducumented proof of this. What really makes the whole matter spectacular is that Catherine of Valois was a French princess and she was treated with a great deal of suspicion by the English (the 100 years war was still going on). It is amazing how they still managed to keep the whole affair (that could well have ended in the execution of Owen, the children, and possibly even the queen) secret. It is also remarkable how unpopular Richard III must have been for the English to accept the claim of Owen Tudors son who became king Henry the VII (father of Henry VIII. They obviously weren't very creative about names).
Go ahead Nick.

Nick22 · **Reply #195 on:** October 12, 2005, 02:34:57 PM

basically it must have been a don't ask, don't tell sort of thing. And Richard III must have wildly unpopular, I agree.

Malte279 · **Reply #196 on:** October 12, 2005, 03:34:05 PM

Catherine of Valois and the whole House of Lancaster had plenty enemys who would have been all too delighted to blurt out the whole matter. They wouldn't have been too discrete about it.

Nick22 · **Reply #197 on:** October 12, 2005, 04:15:35 PM

Then One must put it down to luck then...

Malte279 · **Reply #198 on:** October 12, 2005, 04:26:54 PM

Or good secrecy. Your turn Nick.

Nick22 · **Reply #199 on:** October 12, 2005, 04:33:28 PM

name the heir to the throne who was murdered in 1483. His ghost is said to haunt the Tower of London.