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Quote from: lbt/cty_lover,Mar 13 2010 on  10:07 PM
I just recently found out that I got an acceptance letter from Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute (That name is IMPOSSIBLE to spell)
Congratulations!  :D

I'm taking an AP Chemistry course, though I can't manage much more than a C in the class.


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Quote from: Noname,Mar 14 2010 on  12:32 AM
I like the promise of nuclear power, although I also believe in very tight codes of safety for such power plants.
First off, thanks to jedi472. And good luck on the AP Chem. I got a 5 myself, and I was not doing well in my chem class either.

Secondly, to Noname, the only two nuclear disasters, Chernobyl and Three Mile Island, were caused by a violation of the protocol for the operation of nuclear power plants. So the operation of nuclear power plants is pretty safe when the rules are followed.

Thirdly, I feel that nuclear power is the cleanest power source that is currently available, and should be used until fusion has become a viable energy source.


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Secondly, to Noname, the only two nuclear disasters, Chernobyl and Three Mile Island, were caused by a violation of the protocol for the operation of nuclear power plants. So the operation of nuclear power plants is pretty safe when the rules are followed.
Sorry, but you are mistaken there. Undoubtedly Chernobyl was the worst accident in the history of civil nuclear technology and Three Mile Island was one which could have become much worse and got a lot more media attention than many other cases.
For example there was the Kyshtym disaster, in a Russian facility in Mayak in 1957. As much or even more radiation was set free there than even in case of the Chernobyl disaster. The Soviet government was very eager (and mostly successful) to hush up the disaster and prior to 1990 there was no official confirmation for the incident. The main difference to the Chernobyl disaster was that due to the conditions (both of the disaster and the meteorological conditions) most of the fallout and contamination occurred in a comparatively small region around. Due to the hushing up policy over many decades it is impossible to determine how many people exactly died, but to this day a high percentage of people living in the area are suffering from leukemia and other lethal illnesses that can be traced back to exposure to high levels of radiation.
Also in 1957 there was a fire in the British plant at Windscale during which radiation was set free (fortunately in a much lesser degree than in Mayak). On the seven level scale of severity of nuclear disasters (Chernobyl being the only that got rated 7 so far) this one was rated 5. Reluctance from the government to investigate in detail at the time again makes it impossible to determine the exact number of fatalities caused from exposure to radiation set free in the accident, but a 1982 report wrote of at least 40 fatalities that can be directly linked to the accident. Other reports of later times had higher numbers, but due to the initial hushing up and the time lapsed since then it becomes difficult to provide exact numbers.
In 1961 there was an accident in a reactor of the Idaho national Laboratories. Three workers were killed by the radiation and were so contaminated they had to be buried in lead coffins. Most of the radiation was limited to the close surroundings of the place, but even in a distance of 80 kilometers the radiation was more than twice the normal level (and that's a rather lucky outcome).
In 1964 a facility worker in Charlestown / Rhode Island was killed by a lethal amount of radiation. Since it was "only" this one man and no radiation was set free this is basically classified as a "normal" work accident, but it is still one out of many similar cases.
I could go on with the list, but the main point is that there have been quite a number of accidents or near accidents where the worst was only barely prevented. So long things only just turn out to be not quite as fatal as could be we are quite ready to accept the risk. But come the day a nuclear power plant in a more densely populated area fails disastrously we will not be able to pretend that we had no idea of the risk.
But even if we ignore the chance of avoiding the worst case scenario there is still the unsolved problem of what to do with the nuclear waste which radiates for hundreds or thousands or (in some cases) many more years? To this day there hasn't been any satisfactory solution to the problem.

PS: I mentioned the scale from 1 to 7 earlier in this post. This scale is the International Nuclear Event Scale.
7 - Major Accident - one case (Tschernobyl)
6 - Serious Accident - one case (Kyshtym disaster)
5 - Accident with wider consequences (three cases including Harrisburg)
4 - Accident with local consequences (this is the lowest stage of the scale in which people outside the plants may be affected or on which people die. I didn't find a number on how many cases have occurred. Wikipedia lists six cases as "examples" and searching for a number I found reference to other cases not listed on that list of examples so there seems to be a certain casualness about this one.
3 - Serious incident
2 - Incident
1 - Anomaly

Those three last cases apparently occur on such a regular basis that I couldn't find the exact numbers anywhere (though plenty of references to individual cases). Given the fact that all those 4 to 7 cases started out with level 1 anomalies I didn't find this particularly reassuring.


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In response to that, I modify my original statement. Chernobyl and Three Mile Island are the only nuclear disasters that I have heard about. Thanks for the correction.

Also, about the nuclear waste, I have to agree. The one flaw in the idea of nuclear power is the nuclear waste. There have been proposals to store the nuclear waste in Yucca Mountain, but that only applies to the United States. It is possible to sent that waste into the Sun, but the costs associated with that idea are too high to make the idea feasible.

By the way, shouldn't this be discussed in a thread about nuclear power or alternative energy?


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^ I'm tempted to post my opinions on nuclear power and other alternative energy sources, but I'll save that for the thread you proposed, lbt/cty_lover. :p

I just found out it was Pi Day today. The funny thing is, I didn't realize it was “pi” with no “e”, so I assumed it was an unofficial holiday involving baked goods. :oops :lol



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Quote from: lbt/cty_lover,Mar 14 2010 on  01:39 PM
...until fusion has become a viable energy source.
Man, I don't know nothing about any of this, but last year my chemistry teacher told us about some fusion thing that could like power the entire eastern coast (USA) for like a number of years.  :o


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Quote from: Alex,Mar 14 2010 on  09:00 PM
Quote from: lbt/cty_lover,Mar 14 2010 on  01:39 PM
...until fusion has become a viable energy source.
Man, I don't know nothing about any of this, but last year my chemistry teacher told us about some fusion thing that could like power the entire eastern coast (USA) for like a number of years.  :o
The only problem with fusion is that continuous net energy gain has not yet been obtained as most of the energy is consumed in the magnets/lasers used to confine/compress/heat the plasma until it fuses.


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I see. Doesn't look like it'll happen til they find a better way to confine/compress/heat the plasma. Thanks for clearin' that up.


Ok back on topic. I like to fish.



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I like to fish and eat fish.  Since I'm the only one in the family with a strong stomach, I'm assigned the duty of cleaning the fish prior to preparation and consumption :p.


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I get hungry every two hours, next to that I'm usually hungry when I wake up... And with hungry I mean really hungry :P:


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I like catching fish and eating fish.

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I used to like fish when I was little, but I don't any more.
And I can't catch fish worth a darn :lol


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I don't understand a word from the music, but I love Russian disco music.  :blink:

I've bought a pirated copy (lol) of the music album "Арсен Петросов Кайфуем" (I can't even pronounce the album title) on a flea market, and since I listened to the whole Album the first time, I can't stop loving it! :lol:


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Alright, got some fisherman (and fisherwoman!) on the GOF.

I do not believe Kurt Cobain killed himself.


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I never went fishing, although I have cooked salmon before. I really don't like doing that. Removing the scales is kinda odd.  :lol


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I love eating fish, :p and may have participated in *some* fishing a long time ago, but I tend to get bored and impatient when I have to sit around waiting for a long time, so fishing probably wouldn't be my kind of hobby.



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Quote from: Alex,Mar 15 2010 on  09:19 PM
I do not believe Kurt Cobain killed himself.
It is believed he had Bipolar Disorder and was in a manic state when it happened.  Probably use of drugs contirbuted as well.  His rumored mental status at the time makes me feel he was too impaired to make a sound judgment on a subject as serious as suicide, so I believe it was more accidental than anything else.

I don't believe Michael Jackson killed himself either.  I think his case was a homicide :neutral.


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Quote from: Cancerian Tiger,Mar 16 2010 on  09:06 AM
Quote from: Alex,Mar 15 2010 on  09:19 PM
I do not believe Kurt Cobain killed himself.
It is believed he had Bipolar Disorder and was in a manic state when it happened.  Probably use of drugs contirbuted as well.  His rumored mental status at the time makes me feel he was too impaired to make a sound judgment on a subject as serious as suicide, so I believe it was more accidental than anything else.

I don't believe Michael Jackson killed himself either.  I think his case was a homicide :neutral.
Well I'm pretty sure by that time he was under the infuence of heroin like 97% of the time.

Besides that, I think Courtney Love killed him.