Darwin's Soldiers 3 Discussion

[Nick22]

2 more, alright so the end is relatively close..

[Serris]

All right, here's the entry for Unfortunate Implications:

The Vulpine are huge offenders. For starters, they are a FantasyCounterpartCulture version of modern Native Americans all mashed together into an amalgam. They live in horrific conditions, alcoholism and severe poverty are rampant. Furthermore, most of the Vulpine are described as sex-crazed, "barely civilized savages" by Aydin. To top off this mess, Aydin (one of the two Vulpine main characters) is a speciesist who hates snakes and has no compunctions about attacking his allies if he feels that Aimee is in danger. Thankfully, this is somewhat cushioned by the fact that Aimee is a fairly sympathetic and rounded character.

Any critiques?

[MrDrake]

Nope, in fact, that sounds about right foor what Aydin would say.  He was just, well, in the end, a terrible character and the way they were described as, the Vulpines that is, didn't help the fact at all.

So glad I decided to have Aimee not really care/get into love in the end....otherwise, there would be some problems.

And after all I do try to make Aimee a rather likeable character in the end XD

[Nick22]

I missed those implications, but I'd agree on the content of aydins character, wasn;t much of one.. and showed a intolerace which speaks more to his creator than anything..

[Serris]

Okay, so do think he fits as a "Scrappy" (hated character) or "X-Pac Heat" (character hated because the actor is hated)?

And, Nick, you mentioned that Aydin's intolerance says more about his creator/"actor" than Aydin himself, what do you mean? Because in that case, the trope Writer on Board might be appropriate.

[Nick22]

I think Writer on board applies imo. since Noname has said similat stuff about things he disliked in the past.. as for your first question, it can be both. you can both be a scrappy and an X-pac hear in my mind..

[aabicus (LettuceBacon&Tomato)]

Two more, Deadwood Correctional Facility, then the big battle in the off shore New Jersey base.

What about New Peenemunde? Or are we avoiding it since Soundwave took it over and he's not exactly Dragonstorm?

And yeah, if the character's writer is disliked, and the character is disliked for his own reasons, then its both Scrappy and X-Pac Heat.  I want to say Dragore is in the same boat but I don't know enough about the author, except his horrible grammar.

Only critique is, like Nick22 mentions, make sure to add that not all the writers agree with the depiction, and that it's mainly the fault of one guy.

[MrDrake]

Crap, forgot about that in the end.  But I have no complaints about it, as in, if you wish for them to head there to get rid of Soundwave, that's cool, if not, that's all good as well, I'm not worried either way XD

[Serris]

I'll do the fixes on the trope page later but I'm not sure if I want to say X-Pac Heat because we don't know enough about Noname to say that and I don't want to be offensive.

Scrappy and Writer On Board definitely fit though. I'll add them in.

Could I say that Aydin's a Base Breaker (character who divides the fans) as well?

[MrDrake]

So after Deadwood, I take it then the heroes would still head straight to New Jersey?  Or would they now be making a side stop to New Peenemunde to take care of Soundwave?

[Serris]

So after Deadwood, I take it then the heroes would still head straight to New Jersey?  Or would they now be making a side stop to New Peenemunde to take care of Soundwave?

I could send them over to take care of soundwave because well, no one wants a rogue AI in charge of a large military base.

[MrDrake]

Hehe awesome.  So then that shall be after Deadwood, since well, the heroes are at Deadwood and all and they might as well finish what they started before moving onto the next place

As soon as the action does start properly as well, I'll bring in Famine too.  I might even just have him walking around within the facility somewhere, or heck, just sitting in a room and messing with people's urges and what have you once they get within range.

The heroes wold for sure, notice something up with that if they were to start acting more strangely and what have you.  And yes, this is still based upon the version of Famine that was present in Supernatural.

[aabicus (LettuceBacon&Tomato)]

Could I say that Aydin's a Base Breaker (character who divides the fans) as well?

Not really. Darwin's Soldiers doesn't exactly have 'fans' yet, except for the authors, and we all seem to be in agreement except for Aydin's creator (who left months ago, shortyl after introducing the character).

Seriously, he played Aydin for like one sex scene. I must have played the fox three times as long as he did.

[MrDrake]

I'd also like to point out that I do recall something that Noname did tell me about Aydin, which I found rather stupid >.<

Basically, from what I recall anyway, he had only created Aydin to bewith Aimee in the end, nothing else, which to me, as I think about it still, is just a poor excuse to even create a character.  I'm sorry, but having that as an excuse to create a character.....he shouldn't have even been created in the end.

[Nick22]

you can'y just create a character as a love interest for another chareacter, there needs to be depth to the character, it has to have flaws..if it doesn't its nothing more than a gary Stu / Mary Sue, and pretty much any good writer detests those kind of characters, If it has no depth , it has no redeeming characteristics, and often times gets killed off as a result..

[Serris]

I think Shallow Love Interest (main character whose personality is rather vague and shallow) fits Aydin.

Personally, I think Cpl. Stern was far better played and more developed than Aydin. I also heard somewhere (LB&T, I think) that Aydin was created simply because Noname was too grossed out to play an interspecies sex scene (Aimee X Cpl. Stern) even though there were several of them (Shakila X Shelton, for one).

I'm debating whether to put Aydin under X-Pac Heat or not. Thoughts?

[Nick22]

if he was so grossed out, why did he not ask to drop out of the rp.. you figured some sort of love scenes between different species was going to happen at some point..its obvious our characters aren't all human..

[MrDrake]

Yeah, well, that's why I've now more or less made it so that Aimee really has no love interest, nor is interested in love either.  I think after that, it just suits her better anyway.

As for putting him into X-Pac Heat, up to you really in the end, as it wont bother me in the slightest.

[Nick22]

i think you could have her find love shes ust reticent after her last experience. its like being i a bad relationship..in fact thats what it was.

[aabicus (LettuceBacon&Tomato)]

The fact that Stern isn't being hit by the same level of dislike as Aydin is a good sign that Aydin is disliked for reasons other than just being Noname's character. So I don't think X-Pac Heat fits.

While Aydin is annoying, i don't think he's the most annoying character Darwin's Soldiers has ever seen. Thankfully, the one I'm thinking of isn't in the Gang of Five canon.