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The Land Before Time => 1988 Theatrical Release => Topic started by: Malte279 on April 18, 2007, 03:35:37 PM

Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Malte279 on April 18, 2007, 03:35:37 PM
Hi!
I think a sticky topic on one of the most interesting and most regularly recuring topics about the original movie is overdue. I'm talking of the outcut scenes from the movie which were discussed not too long ago, but not for the first time. I hope that we can gather as much information and pictures as possible in this thread. As scenes were cut not only from the original movie, but are also regularly cut from the the sequels we could add material on these outcut scenes too (even though this thread is in the original movie's section). Unfortunately material on the deleted scenes from the sequels is even more sparcely settled as material on the deleted scenes from the original movie is. I meant for this to be a thread full of pictures but for reasons beyond my limited abilities with the computer the GOF will not show a single one of them, so I had to make to with the urls leading to the pictures :(
Anyway, here are the pictures of which I know so far:
(https://i.imgur.com/jerbLwG.jpg)
This one is either the most trivial or the most "mysterious" one among the pictures. It may not show a deleted scene at all. There is this funny "line" along the center of the picture, light and shadow are incorrect, there is no description whatsoever of any scene including what we see on this picture. When I asked a member of Don Bluth's staff on his webpage (http://www.donbluth.com) about this picture he stated that he didn't know anything about it and that he assumed it to be a tribute made by a fan. So with all this there is basically nothing supporting the idea of this picture actually belonging to an outcut land before time scene, except for the place where I found it. When I first came across that picture it was on a large page where hundreds of land before time film cells and signed drawings were sold. I am quite sure that somewhere far back among the old threads of the N54 forum must be a message in which I posted the url of the page where I found the picture, alas it would be of no use anymore as the page didn't exist anymore when I checked it out last time (years ago). All this may sound very unconvincing, but the page looked quite serious and LBT was not the only movie of which film cells were offered there. This was the only picture there which struck me as unknown from the movie. While practically everything is suggesting that the picture is not from an outcut LBT scene the fact remains that, if it wasn't, this would be a very serious fraud as the picture was offered for more than $100 on the page :unsure:
(https://i.imgur.com/kwlJxNq.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/kwlJxNq.jpg)
This is a picture of which we can be sure that it is genuine. It was used in cinema showcases in 1988 and the very original I scanned is from the showcase of a German cinema. It makes me wonder if the scene might have been included in the version of the movie as it was presented in cinemas or if they deliberately used material from outcut scenes (they definitely did in some other cases, so I'm afraid the scene was not included in the cinema version). We can only guess about the content, but I suppose it is a fairly save guess if we assume that Ducky is trying to make Spike come along by luring him with those berries. We see her doing just that in the movie scene which would have followed this one (right after Spike's hatching) if it hadn't been cut out. One book suggests that there was opposition from Cera against taking Spike along. Whether or not this was part of the outcut scene we don't know.
(https://i.imgur.com/tbOTjGY.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/PriXeLE.jpg)
We have previously seen the LBT trailer which includes an outcut scene of Ducky hugging Littlefoot and Spike after they harvested the food from the top of the tree by climbing onto each other. This picture suggests that there was an even more elaborate scene cut from this part of the movie. The picture is definitely genuine, as it was included in a file issued to the press back in 1988. I apologize for the poor quality. Our scanner is not working at the moment (I had scanned other pictures in this thread earlier) so I could just take a photograph of the image which didn't turn out too well due to the reflecting surface of the image. The press file also included a colored version of this scene, but only as a slide picture which I cannot scan properly :(
As for the content of this scene we can only guess with less obvious possibilities than in case of the previous picture.
(https://i.imgur.com/MVo19lJ.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/49WMxv1.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/7fMUOcO.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/hEbVrVL.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/a0pTYg7.jpg)
The four pictures above are all from the same scene. The first and the second are from the same press file as the previous picture, the third is a colored version of the second which was offered at ebay (signed by Gabriel Damon, the original movie's Littlefoot voice), and the fourth picture is from the book "Friend's in Need". We can be quite certain about the content of this scene. These are all pictures from Littlefoot's early discovery of the Great Valley right after the quarrel with Cera, which was later postponed until after the fight with the Sharptooth.
Speaking of fighting sharptooth brings us to the next two pictures which many of you will already know as this scene was included in an LBT trailer:
(https://i.imgur.com/aijh7OH.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/DZhSYyy.jpg)

Apparently there was a scene of Ducky pulling faces at Sharptooth to provoke it into pursuing her. The terror in Ducky's face on the second picture suggests that it worked, but better than Ducky had hoped it would. I wonder why they cut out this scene. Presumably it was considered "too scary for kids".
Sharptooth's death (https://i.imgur.com/EVKMbFK.jpg)
The most recent "discovery" shows Sharptooth dead (or dying) body sinking below the surface of the pond. I know that there is such a scene in the movie, but this picture is not part of it; I checked it out. The scene was probably another one shortened not to scare the kids too much <_<

Edit by Mumbling: fixed broken pictures
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Petrie. on April 18, 2007, 08:24:12 PM
(Good move with the URL's....some are much too large to display on screen)

This is a really old topic from my first LBT website days when I was trying to work out the deleted scenes.  I think the "Ducky Scared" picture was drawn by Bluth for something else....not for the film specifically.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Malte279 on April 19, 2007, 01:31:08 AM
I think it is a copy of an unfinished film cell signed by Bluth (who need not be the creator of that drawing). It is definitely not independent from the movie scene. The posture is exactly the same as in the trailer.
I still think it would be better if at least the smaller pictures (excluding the one of sharptooth's death) could be displayed. Funnily I always get the response that dynamic webpages cannot be put into image Tags. It worked out just fine in other threads.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Threehorn on April 19, 2007, 05:41:40 AM
But there something about that bit with Ducky, it was on a preview, a old one in the UK. I got a video somewhere that shows about the first Land Before Time and show that short sence of Ducky pulling the face and being scared screaming as she swims for her life following the trying attack of Old Sharptooth. I think I recall this being spoken about before.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Malte279 on April 19, 2007, 11:00:35 AM
Yes, that scene with Ducky pulling faces is indeed in a trailer shown not only in the UK. There must have been more though than what we saw in the trailer. The scene must have included Ducky's getting at a supposedly save distance from the sharptooth after he spotted her. In the movie as we know it Ducky never gets enough leisure time and distance from sharptooth to even think about cutting faces.
There is another picture from an outcut scene which I cannot show you, as it is only a slide. It is however a very unspectacular picture showing nothing but a very cloudy sky. My guess is that after the death of Littlefoot's mother the camera moved up to show just the thunderstorm sky (this is only a guess of mine, but the sky on that slide looks very much like the sky in the death of Littlefoot's mother scene), and that this camera shift upwards was cut for whatever reason.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Petrie. on April 19, 2007, 01:26:57 PM
The reason your getting a dynamic page error is because you have spaces in your web address so %20 is automatically inserted to compensate for that.  Take out the spaces, the images will work.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Malte279 on April 19, 2007, 02:56:17 PM
Done that. Thanks a lot Adam! This is much better now. I left the Sharptooth death picture as an url as it would be so large. Some of the other pictures are rather large too, but I hope that the advantage of seeing them right away outweighs the disadvantage of the side being "broadened". If that's not so I will turn those images back into urls again.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Petrie. on April 19, 2007, 08:15:55 PM
Yeah I knew that sharptooth one was huge...the others are ok I guess.  Members can always right click on the image and "View Image" and it should resize it to fit in another browser window.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: The Great Valley Guardian on June 13, 2007, 03:02:33 PM
HELP!!!

The image won't show ....I keep getting sent to the Tripod website in German (I think?) :cry

I even got rid of the %20 that repersents spaces......I really want to see the Sharptooth's death!!!!!  :cry

HELP!!!!
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Petrie. on June 13, 2007, 03:24:29 PM
Malte will need to fix that.  You can't take out the space on your own and expect the image to show because the space is there in the filename, but that space is what's causing the problem.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Malte279 on June 13, 2007, 04:19:44 PM
My mistake. I had changed the name of a folder to avoid an empty space (which keeps making trouble if you try to directly link a picture). I forgot to updated the url of the Sharptooth image. It should work out now.
Thanks for the reminder to this thread by the way. I have yet to make good on this promise:
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As scenes were cut not only from the original movie, but are also regularly cut from the the sequels we could add material on these outcut scenes too (even though this thread is in the original movie's section). Unfortunately material on the deleted scenes from the sequels is even more sparcely settled as material on the deleted scenes from the original movie is.
I'll do so as soon as I have the time to upload pictures. Don't expect anything spectacular though.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: pokeplayer984 on September 19, 2007, 09:28:34 PM
Hey Malte, I've gone and took the pics that were too big for the screen and used Paint to shrink them.  I think it would be far more convienent if you used them instead of the pics you have now, as it does get annoying to scroll left and right just to read your first message.

Here are the pics:
(http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb237/pokeplayer984/Afterthetotem.jpg)

(http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb237/pokeplayer984/EnteringGreatValley.jpg)

Well, I've gotta go now.

See ya later! :^.^:
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: landbeforetimelover on September 20, 2007, 01:18:27 AM
whoa!  Those pics are tiny... :huh:
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Malte279 on September 20, 2007, 02:08:08 AM
Hi pokeplayer!
I took the liberty to edit your post so the pictures you resized appear in your post instead of the urls linking to the pictures. Thank you :)
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: DarkHououmon on September 20, 2007, 02:15:30 AM
Quote from: landbeforetimelover,Sep 20 2007 on  01:18 AM
whoa!  Those pics are tiny... :huh:
They don't look tiny to me.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: pokeplayer984 on September 20, 2007, 08:09:50 AM
Quote from: Malte279,Sep 20 2007 on  01:08 AM
Hi pokeplayer!
I took the liberty to edit your post so the pictures you resized appear in your post instead of the urls linking to the pictures. Thank you :)
Yeah, I noticed.

So, would you please use those two rather than the ones you have up now?  I'm sure it'll automatically fix the text to an appropriate area and so that we don't have to continuously scroll left and right just to read your message.  It is kind of annoying to have to do that, you know. :)
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Flathead on January 11, 2008, 03:06:22 PM
As far as I know this isn't from the movie, as I found and scanned this pic off that "friends in need" book, its when the gang of five encountered a green oasis where two dinosaur species. The thin grey-noses who where guarding the water against the fat crown heads, who where guarding the food (trees, vegetation), and who didn't want to share with each other. So Cera and the others decided to move on to find their own food and water because the two dino species didn't want to share with them.

(http://usera.imagecave.com/mrlittleland/Picture35.jpg)
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: DarkHououmon on January 11, 2008, 03:12:56 PM
Picture doesn't show up.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Chiletrek on January 11, 2008, 03:16:09 PM
Hello:
 I cannot see it either :( , can you please re uploaded it Flathead? thanks.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Malte279 on January 11, 2008, 03:44:00 PM
This is the page in the book flathead must be referring too. But while the text describes the oasis scene which was left out in the movie, the picture does not show that oasis, but the little green spot which we know from the movie. I cannot guarantee whether or not this precise picture is in the movie. I assume it is, but it would have to be checked out:
(https://i.imgur.com/LF2nd8h.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/LF2nd8h.jpg)
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Ratiasu on January 11, 2008, 07:32:46 PM
...Hmm...what are "gray-noses" and "crown-heads"?
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Malte279 on January 11, 2008, 08:04:39 PM
In two land before time books of the original movie a scene is included which is often referred to as the oasis scene. This is the scene as described in the land before time book "The land before time -The illustrated story":
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A long time passed and the brave little group was getting more tired and hungry with each plodding step. At least they left the mountains behind. Now they were in a hot, sandy desert.
"I tired," moaned Petrie. "Way to Great Valley too great way."
"We're almost there," cried Littlefoot. "Don't give up now."
Suddenly Spike became alert and sniffed the air.
"He must smell food," said Ducky. "It's the only thing that would wake him up."
Spike snorted and galloped over a small hill. The others followed, staring in wonder at what they saw. There was a small spring of water surrounded by a group of thin gray-noses (Another word for Ducky's sort). Near the spring but standing apart was a cluster of trees full of delicious-looking green-food, surrounded by a group of fat crown-heads. Littlefoot and the others raced down the hill, yelling and cheering. But they got closer, they saw the hard looks on everybody's face, and the cheers died in their throats.
A stern-looking gray-nose came up to them and said, "What do you want, little ones?"
"Food!", Littlefoot cried.
"And water, yep, yep," Ducky added.
A fat crown-head waddled up and said, "No food!"
"You may drink," said the grey-nose to Ducky. "You are a big-mouth like us. But," he continued pointing at the rest of the group, "no water for them."
"But they need drinks, too!" Ducky protested. They're my friends."
"These are your friends?" said the fat crown-head. "A threehorn? A longneck, a spike-tail and" - he pointed to Petrie - "and whatever that is."
"Yes, run away quickly," said the grey-nose to Ducky, "before spikes and horns grow on you."
Cera couldn't believe what she was hearing. She had never realized before how foolish it was to dislike someone just because he looked different. All she knew now was that they all needed food and water. She reared up her head and said firmly, "We're hungry! All of us!"
The thin grey-nose stared at her. "And so are we," he finally said.
"Then why don't you share the water with the crown-heads?" said Littlefoot. "And they could share the food with you. Then you wouldn't be hungry and they wouldn't be thirsty."
"No, no, no," said the crown-head and the grey-nose at the same time.
"Well, if you don't change your minds, all of you will die," said Cera.
"Why don't you like each other anyway?" Ducky asked.
"The crown-heads are from the other side of the swamp," said the gray-nose.
"I don't see anything wrong with that," said Littlefoot.
"This is silly. I'm hungry," cried Cera. "Let's go somewhere else to look for food together." And with that the small group marched away. The grey-nose shook his head. "I'll never understand those young ones," he said. The crown-head nodded and went back to guard the food.
A shorter version of the same scene is in the book "Friends in need":
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They finally came through the ash storm into a bleak desert. They were all terribly tired, hungy, and thirsty.
Spike suddenly sniffed the air.
"What is it, Spike? Food?" Cera cried.
"Maybe it's the Great Valley!" yelled Ducky.
Spike just snorted and ran over a nearby hill. Following him close behind, the others reached the far side of the hill and looked down on a green oasis with trees and water. But something was wrong. A bunch of thin gray-noses were guarding the water, and a bunch of fat crown-heads were guardng the trees.
"Can we eat and drink?" asked Cera.
"Only our own kind can eat," said a crown head.
"Yes," said a gray-nose. "And only our kind can drink."
"Why don't you share the food and water with each other?" asked Littlefoot.
"No, no, we can't do that," said the gray-nose and the crown head together. "Gray-noses and crown-heads are different from each other."
Cera didn't believe her ears. "Well, then, you will all die," she said. "Let's leave and find our own food and water!"
After searching and searching, all they found was a deep rocky crater. Cera's words seemed empty. Cera insisted on following her own path to the Great Valley. "No!" cried Littlefoot. "We have to stick together or we'll all fail - just like those crown-heads and gray-noses back there."
From the illustration gray noses seem to be Ducky's kind and Crownheads would be Pachycephalosaurus.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: The Chronicler on January 11, 2008, 08:18:21 PM
Interesting that the books you have mention scenes that were not in the movie. I wonder why that scene wasn't in the official movie.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Malte279 on January 11, 2008, 08:27:20 PM
So do I. I suspect it was cut to make the movie appear lighter. There have been several indications that the original concept meant LBT to be a somewhat darker story than it ultimately became.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Chiletrek on January 11, 2008, 08:35:50 PM
Hello:
 Well, after reading the scene it wouldn't made the film more darker. But it can help viewers to see how that helped the protagonists to be stronger in their acceptance of others, and how with cooperation everybody can get the goal of survival.
 Thanks Malte, I had no idea about that scene and I would love to have it seen in the movie.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Malte279 on January 11, 2008, 08:39:47 PM
The scene itself is not too dark, but it would have been a reference to the racism which would have probably been a lot more in the focus of a darker version of LBT. Note that the references to such earlier concepts are somewhat vague. I guess much of the dark stuff removed would be Sharptooth scenes which were considered to be too scary for kids.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Kor on January 11, 2008, 09:38:43 PM
Some of the cut scenes would have made the movie even better.  Some of the cuts seem overly obvious, to me at least that at least a scene is missing here and there.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: arrogantrex on January 27, 2008, 06:15:28 AM
Yes, I read once that Bluth had planned on things being a bit more realistic whereas blood and general things in the gore direction were concerned. Not that I'm sure of any of these things, or that even the gore was going to be anything truly drastic. I also read that some of the audio of the film had to be rerecorded multiple times to make the children's screams less horrific-sounding. May sound weird to some, but I would honestly like to hear some of the outtakes just to get a good glimpse of what Mr. Bluth had in mind.

And in a more hopeful line of thinking, with the anniversary coming up, it would be nice to see an uncut Land Before Time available on DVD...
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Serris on January 27, 2008, 01:02:51 PM
Quote from: arrogantrex,Jan 27 2008 on  05:15 AM
And in a more hopeful line of thinking, with the anniversary coming up, it would be nice to see an uncut Land Before Time available on DVD...
I would like that.

Unfortunately, the missing scenes are likely to be permanently lost. But we can still dream.

Quote from: Wikipedia on  
In fact what actually happens in the scenes is not known because Don Bluth says that the scenes have been thrown away.
Although there is a tag that states "citation needed", I'm fairly confident that the writer is right.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Kor on January 27, 2008, 03:13:49 PM
And also guess at some of the missing scenes from the scenes before and after the cut.  The fine details one may not be able to guess but at least the general stuff that may be in the cut scene.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Cancerian Tiger on July 08, 2008, 11:55:39 PM
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Apparently there was a scene of Ducky pulling faces at Sharptooth to provoke it into pursuing her. The terror in Ducky's face on the second picture suggests that it worked, but better than Ducky had hoped it would. I wonder why they cut out this scene. Presumably it was considered "too scary for kids".

I agree on the "too scary for kids" comment.  That shot of Ducky even scares the pants off of me when I think about that :blink:.  She expresses a look of pure terror, which is a very frightening expression for one to see :(.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Malte279 on July 09, 2008, 03:57:23 AM
Not like there weren't any other scenes in the movie where Ducky is looking horrified. Personally I would have preferred to see the scene left in. I would love to see the scenes produced but never shown, but I'm afraid it is rather uncertain whether or not those scenes still exist (catching dust in some archive) or if they were destroyed :(
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: kjeldo on July 10, 2008, 02:48:07 PM
ho do you know all that?
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Malte279 on July 10, 2008, 02:53:31 PM
Know what?
As for information on the deleted scenes, you best look on the first page of this thread for pictures, information, and sources.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: kjeldo on July 10, 2008, 03:35:01 PM
oooow, sorry for posting this,

i'm such a stupid guy, :bang
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Malte279 on July 10, 2008, 03:39:29 PM
Not at all ;)
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Zilla on January 27, 2009, 04:27:29 AM
This clip has what seems to have been the original final scene for the movie. Many believe it is from the rumoured "heaven ending"
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=NMkxN7ylrYI (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=NMkxN7ylrYI)
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: NeoGenesis005 on March 12, 2009, 12:09:06 AM
This issue upset me so bad.  I read on Wikipedia that not only the Good Scenes were Cut out they were thrown away.  That person deserve a slap for doing that.  But it couldn't be helped.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Littlefoot3897 on March 14, 2009, 11:38:50 PM
They shouldn't cutted out those scenes from the Pizza Hut Commercial they look like they could really make the Land Before time movie better.   ;)
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: NeoGenesis005 on March 15, 2009, 09:59:47 PM
Yeah but some Stupid Creditors had to complain about it being so scary for the young audience and the movie being so long.  At least that is what I read.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Kor on March 15, 2009, 10:46:23 PM
Quote from: Zilla,Jan 27 2009 on  02:27 AM
This clip has what seems to have been the original final scene for the movie. Many believe it is from the rumoured "heaven ending"
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=NMkxN7ylrYI (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=NMkxN7ylrYI)
That cut scene would have made the movie even more touching.  I don't think they meant they are in heaven, just that they got to the great valley, their families are there, so they'll always be together since they'll not need to move from a safe place with lots of green food and water.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Malte279 on March 16, 2009, 04:14:33 AM
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Yeah but some Stupid Creditors had to complain about it being so scary for the young audience and the movie being so long. At least that is what I read.
Well, not exactly like those who did had no ideas of movies at all. The "stupid creditors" are known by the names of Steven Spielberg and George Lucas. Still I totally agree that scenes should have been left in rather than turning LBT into one of the shortest cartoon movies shown in the cinemas in later times.
Not all of the scenes were cut for being too scary (the one that took place after Spike's birth, images of which found their way into theater showcases can't have been that creepy). With LBT being really exceptionally short compared to other cartoons of the same time I wonder what was the cause for those scenes being cut. Anyway we won't get the scenes back by whining about it I'm afraid :(
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: dragoonanime on June 17, 2009, 02:03:53 AM
Just wondering but what other scenes are in the book that were not in the movie?
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Almaron on September 11, 2009, 06:58:59 AM
This youtube video contains several moments not in the film, including the "Ducky Faces" scene.

Old Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLW_uymCcJs&feature=PlayList&p=0AE3D55089FF9295&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=17)

Plus this one with the final line of Littlefoot's; "Now We'll Always Be Together"

Pizza Hut Advert (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-WRjyaol6E)
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Almaron on September 13, 2009, 05:04:56 AM
Oh, and I thought I should say, there is evidence remaining in the film of the original ending.

1: When Littlefoot sees his mother's ghost, look below him. The lake that they bathed in is there, and above it is the plateau that they pushed the big rock off. Except, the rock is still there, waiting to be pushed off. Also, when he scrambles after her, the rocks on the hill resemble the ones on the hill he climbed after leaving Cera.

2: When bathing in the pond, they hear Sharptooth's roar. Look at where he is standing; the air to the right is green, as opposed to the brown everywhere else. Also, there are plants growing on the hills to the right.

Seeing this, I wonder if the cave that Sharptooth went into was the same one Littlefoot ran through, chasing his mother's spirit.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: landbeforetimelover on November 15, 2009, 02:26:11 PM
I just re-stumbled onto these images.  Wow.  These are so cool!  Is there any way I could add them to thelandbeforetime.org?  Or are these commercial material?
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Pikkutassu on November 23, 2009, 05:21:30 AM
Quote from: Zilla,Jan 27 2009 on  02:27 AM
This clip has what seems to have been the original final scene for the movie. Many believe it is from the rumoured "heaven ending"
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=NMkxN7ylrYI (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=NMkxN7ylrYI)


If the reason for cutting scenes was them being too scary... makes me wonder why did they cut out this last scene as well?
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Almaron on November 23, 2009, 03:17:04 PM
Well, I personally think the ending works fine the way it is, and throwing in that extra line may have been a bit too cheesy, and it would have taken away from the moment. Maybe that's what the producers thought when editing the film.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Pikkutassu on December 03, 2009, 11:45:25 PM
Quote from: Malte279,Apr 18 2007 on  02:35 PM

(http://mitglied.lycos.de/malte2709/Outcutscenes/OutcutsceneSpikesbirth.jpg)
This is a picture of which we can be sure that it is genuine. It was used in cinema showcases in 1988 and the very original I scanned is from the showcase of a German cinema. It makes me wonder if the scene might have been included in the version of the movie as it was presented in cinemas or if they deliberately used material from outcut scenes (they definitely did in some other cases, so I'm afraid the scene was not included in the cinema version). We can only guess about the content, but I suppose it is a fairly save guess if we assume that Ducky is trying to make Spike come along by luring him with those berries. We see her doing just that in the movie scene which would have followed this one (right after Spike's hatching) if it hadn't been cut out. One book suggests that there was opposition from Cera against taking Spike along. Whether or not this was part of the outcut scene we don't know.
Weird.

I have this very scene on a VHS that was recorded from the TV airing here in Finland, and I clearly do remember Cera arguing that Spike shouldn't come along after Ducky lured him with those berries. Makes me wonder if there are other supposedly outcut scenes on that tape... probably not because I can't remember anything but this.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: 812558 on December 04, 2009, 12:03:02 AM
please tell us that you still have the tape
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Pikkutassu on December 04, 2009, 12:05:07 AM
Quote from: 812558,Dec 3 2009 on  11:03 PM
please tell us that you still have the tape
Yes I still have it. I could try recording the scene with my digital camera.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: LBTFan13 on December 04, 2009, 01:42:29 AM
Quote from: Almaron,Nov 23 2009 on  02:17 PM
Well, I personally think the ending works fine the way it is, and throwing in that extra line may have been a bit too cheesy, and it would have taken away from the moment. Maybe that's what the producers thought when editing the film.
I think the ending was powerful enough without the ending line. Also it provided a nice segway into the song during the credits.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Malte279 on December 04, 2009, 04:33:24 AM
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Yes I still have it. I could try recording the scene with my digital camera.
That would really be most awesome!
I always thought that the scene had been made but not used in any version of the movie. It is particularly amazing that it is present in the Finnish translation but not in the English original. I know of cases where short scenes from the original were not included in the German version (speaking of the sequels now) but never the other way round.
I would really be most obliged if you could show us that scene and so I think would be many. :yes
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Paradise Bird on December 04, 2009, 08:19:11 AM
Yeah that would be good  :)
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: landbeforetimelover on December 04, 2009, 10:43:03 AM
If you can make a copy of the tape and send it to myself or Pokeplayer, he or I can digitalize it.  Or if you could get a hold of a DVD recorder and have a modern TV, you could put it onto a DVD yourself.  I could walk you through the steps of getting the files from the DVD into a different format and sending the files to me.  Then I'd post it here.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Pikkutassu on December 04, 2009, 10:50:44 AM
Quote from: landbeforetimelover,Dec 4 2009 on  09:43 AM
If you can make a copy of the tape and send it to myself or Pokeplayer, he or I can digitalize it. Or if you could get a hold of a DVD recorder and have a modern TV, you could put it onto a DVD yourself. I could walk you through the steps of getting the files from the DVD into a different format and sending the files to me. Then I'd post it here.

Don't think I'll be able to get a hold on a DVD/VHS recorder anytime soon, they're expensive as hell.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: landbeforetimelover on December 04, 2009, 11:13:56 AM
$50 for a DVD recorder here.......$1 for a VHS player/recorder.  VHS is ooooooooold so it's really cheap here.  In fact, I don't even think you can buy a VHS player/recorder in the new stores anymore.  You'd have to get it from a garage sale or something.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: tossu on December 04, 2009, 11:19:02 AM
I can help you, I have a VHS player and a video capure card, and I live in Finland.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Malte279 on December 04, 2009, 11:50:21 AM
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Yes I still have it. I could try recording the scene with my digital camera.
This would be really awesome and wouldn't mean any huge efforts or additional costs to you. It would be really a great favor to us if you could do this. The inclusion of this cut scene in one version of the movie is really really the most interesting news on the original movie we had in ages.
If you could make a video of the scene with your digital camera and post it online that would be... WOW! :yes
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Paradise Bird on December 04, 2009, 11:00:44 PM
Sounds cool I wish to see it.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Pikkutassu on December 05, 2009, 04:22:47 PM
Alright I'm working on getting a DVD recorder so I can get a proper copy of the movie.. might take some time.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Kor on December 05, 2009, 09:19:19 PM
Good luck. Hope things work out like you want.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Paradise Bird on December 05, 2009, 09:58:16 PM
Yep we wish you the best!
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Pikkutassu on December 06, 2009, 04:43:36 PM
Quote from: Malte279,Jan 11 2008 on  07:04 PM
In two land before time books of the original movie a scene is included which is often referred to as the oasis scene. This is the scene as described in the land before time book "The land before time -The illustrated story":
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A long time passed and the brave little group was getting more tired and hungry with each plodding step. At least they left the mountains behind. Now they were in a hot, sandy desert.
"I tired," moaned Petrie. "Way to Great Valley too great way."
"We're almost there," cried Littlefoot. "Don't give up now."
Suddenly Spike became alert and sniffed the air.
"He must smell food," said Ducky. "It's the only thing that would wake him up."
Spike snorted and galloped over a small hill. The others followed, staring in wonder at what they saw. There was a small spring of water surrounded by a group of thin gray-noses (Another word for Ducky's sort). Near the spring but standing apart was a cluster of trees full of delicious-looking green-food, surrounded by a group of fat crown-heads. Littlefoot and the others raced down the hill, yelling and cheering. But they got closer, they saw the hard looks on everybody's face, and the cheers died in their throats.
A stern-looking gray-nose came up to them and said, "What do you want, little ones?"
"Food!", Littlefoot cried.
"And water, yep, yep," Ducky added.
A fat crown-head waddled up and said, "No food!"
"You may drink," said the grey-nose to Ducky. "You are a big-mouth like us. But," he continued pointing at the rest of the group, "no water for them."
"But they need drinks, too!" Ducky protested. They're my friends."
"These are your friends?" said the fat crown-head. "A threehorn? A longneck, a spike-tail and" - he pointed to Petrie - "and whatever that is."
"Yes, run away quickly," said the grey-nose to Ducky, "before spikes and horns grow on you."
Cera couldn't believe what she was hearing. She had never realized before how foolish it was to dislike someone just because he looked different. All she knew now was that they all needed food and water. She reared up her head and said firmly, "We're hungry! All of us!"
The thin grey-nose stared at her. "And so are we," he finally said.
"Then why don't you share the water with the crown-heads?" said Littlefoot. "And they could share the food with you. Then you wouldn't be hungry and they wouldn't be thirsty."
"No, no, no," said the crown-head and the grey-nose at the same time.
"Well, if you don't change your minds, all of you will die," said Cera.
"Why don't you like each other anyway?" Ducky asked.
"The crown-heads are from the other side of the swamp," said the gray-nose.
"I don't see anything wrong with that," said Littlefoot.
"This is silly. I'm hungry," cried Cera. "Let's go somewhere else to look for food together." And with that the small group marched away. The grey-nose shook his head. "I'll never understand those young ones," he said. The crown-head nodded and went back to guard the food.
A shorter version of the same scene is in the book "Friends in need":
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They finally came through the ash storm into a bleak desert. They were all terribly tired, hungy, and thirsty.
Spike suddenly sniffed the air.
"What is it, Spike? Food?" Cera cried.
"Maybe it's the Great Valley!" yelled Ducky.
Spike just snorted and ran over a nearby hill. Following him close behind, the others reached the far side of the hill and looked down on a green oasis with trees and water. But something was wrong. A bunch of thin gray-noses were guarding the water, and a bunch of fat crown-heads were guardng the trees.
"Can we eat and drink?" asked Cera.
"Only our own kind can eat," said a crown head.
"Yes," said a gray-nose. "And only our kind can drink."
"Why don't you share the food and water with each other?" asked Littlefoot.
"No, no, we can't do that," said the gray-nose and the crown head together. "Gray-noses and crown-heads are different from each other."
Cera didn't believe her ears. "Well, then, you will all die," she said. "Let's leave and find our own food and water!"
After searching and searching, all they found was a deep rocky crater. Cera's words seemed empty. Cera insisted on following her own path to the Great Valley. "No!" cried Littlefoot. "We have to stick together or we'll all fail - just like those crown-heads and gray-noses back there."
From the illustration gray noses seem to be Ducky's kind and Crownheads would be Pachycephalosaurus.

I just read these, and I can say this scene also is on the tape. I remember most of these lines exactly. No wonder why the anniversary DVD felt much shorter than I remembered! can't wait to get that recorder
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: 812558 on December 06, 2009, 06:51:03 PM
so far i think this is the bigest "BREAKING NEWS" that we have had on this forum.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Pangaea on December 06, 2009, 09:31:48 PM
^ I'll say! :wow You LBT fans in Finland are so lucky!
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Paradise Bird on December 07, 2009, 12:01:52 AM
:DD  Agreed
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Malte279 on December 07, 2009, 08:44:17 AM
Absolutely :yes
Pikkutassu, if you have these scenes on your version of the movies you are in possession of material that has gained an almost legendary status among the LBT fan community over the years. Even a low quality webcam made clip of these scenes (the one after Spike's birth and the oasis scene) would be of huge interest to everyone here. I wonder if there are further differences between the movie version you have and the version as it was sold in the rest of the world.
Pikkutassu, these are really BIG news for us and everyone here would be very much obliged if you could record these scenes with your webcam and make them available to us.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Pikkutassu on December 07, 2009, 03:21:35 PM
Quote from: Malte279,Dec 7 2009 on  07:44 AM
Absolutely :yes
Pikkutassu, if you have these scenes on your version of the movies you are in possession of material that has gained an almost legendary status among the LBT fan community over the years. Even a low quality webcam made clip of these scenes (the one after Spike's birth and the oasis scene) would be of huge interest to everyone here. I wonder if there are further differences between the movie version you have and the version as it was sold in the rest of the world.
Pikkutassu, these are really BIG news for us and everyone here would be very much obliged if you could record these scenes with your webcam and make them available to us.
Our old VCR turned out to be broken so I can't provide any footage yet. But as soon as I get that DVD/VHS recorder I'll be able to digitalize the whole movie in the best possible quality. It seems likely that there might be some other outcut scenes apart from these two.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Mumbling on December 07, 2009, 04:23:43 PM
Yea.. anything would be awesome. Hopefully you can get it to work!
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Kor on December 07, 2009, 10:53:33 PM
Good luck with that.  I'm sure you can get it to work.  Plus once you get a digital version you can watch it whenever you want without worrying about tape breaking.  And easily make yourself a second copy in case the first disc ever goes bad.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Paradise Bird on December 08, 2009, 12:04:44 AM
Can we repair CDs?
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: dragoonanime on December 09, 2009, 03:07:29 AM
It seems odd that they would put these scenes in some regions and not the other ones.  It will be really cool to see these deleted scenes.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Pikkutassu on December 09, 2009, 04:38:12 AM
Quote from: dragoonanime,Dec 9 2009 on  02:07 AM
It seems odd that they would put these scenes in some regions and not the other ones. It will be really cool to see these deleted scenes.
The scenes are not in any of the official VHS/DVD releases in here either. This is from the TV airing sometime during the 90s. Lucky that my parents decided to record it back then.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Paradise Bird on December 09, 2009, 04:40:27 AM
Quote from: dragoonanime,Dec 9 2009 on  02:07 AM
It seems odd that they would put these scenes in some regions and not the other ones.  It will be really cool to see these deleted scenes.
True after all they did not have any violence.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Noname on December 09, 2009, 04:43:18 AM
Are these scenes dubbed in Finnish?
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Pikkutassu on December 09, 2009, 04:45:24 AM
Quote from: Noname,Dec 9 2009 on  03:43 AM
Are these scenes dubbed in Finnish?
Yes they are. If you want I can add subtitles.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Malte279 on December 09, 2009, 05:20:45 AM
This is really awesome. I'm looking very much forward to see these scenes :yes
Indeed I think I once saw another case where the TV version of a movie differed from the cinematic release (though I must confess I am not even certain if it was an LBT movie or another one). It is quite likely though that a scene that has been translated for the Finish version probably had a complete English original that may have been translated to other languages as well. There are cases of scenes that existed in the original language version but were never translated but I never heard about the translations coming up with additional content other than what may be added to the meaning by varying what is being said in the scenes existing in both versions.
We may want to focus not on our DvDs or videos only but keep a close look at the TV airings of the land before time. The scenes are likely to have existed in the English version as well though they may not be aired anymore (but here is to hope).
Seeing those scene would really be one of the greatest sensations ever in the LBT forums Pikkutassu :yes
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Pikkutassu on December 10, 2009, 08:18:57 PM
Okay I'm starting to have my doubts that it might just be the full uncut version... or would that be possible? I am remembering more scenes which actually include T-rex. One scene which I'm 99,99% sure is after they wake up to the roar and Cera peeks over, the sharptooth is shown sniffing the air and moving closer.

Another one, which I'm not that certain about, is that after they get away from that small hole, the sharptooth breaks out from the rock and they run away. One thing that supports I remember correctly is that there's the same rough cut (picture halts before fading out completely) as just before the berry scene with Ducky.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Paradise Bird on December 11, 2009, 01:35:13 AM
Cool is it possible to get the whole thing up?
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Pikkutassu on December 11, 2009, 08:27:17 AM
Yes, if there's some place to upload it to... or alternatively I could send it via IRC to anyone who wants it.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: landbeforetimelover on December 11, 2009, 08:48:52 AM
You can go ahead and upload it to my server in the universal upload folder.

www.lbtserver.2myip.net/universaluploadfolder (http://www.lbtserver.2myip.net/universaluploadfolder)
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Pikkutassu on December 19, 2009, 07:16:42 AM
Just got the recorder.  :p Now let's hope the tape itself still works.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Kor on December 19, 2009, 10:28:18 AM
Good luck with that.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Noname on December 23, 2009, 07:13:15 PM
Has there been any new news?
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Pikkutassu on December 25, 2009, 09:11:36 AM
Well guess what. I just attempted to record it, only to find there's all kinds of useless rubbish recorded on top of the tape... oh the FRUSTRATION...
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Petrie. on December 25, 2009, 09:45:02 AM
Awww....just noticed now, that's such a shame. :(  It may not be useless garbage.  Recordable tapes weren't meant to last 15 years.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Kor on December 25, 2009, 11:37:45 AM
video tape lasts less time then dvd's do, sad to say.  I also read that everytime you watch a video tape a bit of the magnetic or something on the tape comes off, no idea if it is true or not, so it wears out from use too.  

Though maybe you can go through your video tape collection and get what is still good copied while you still can.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Malte279 on December 25, 2009, 01:18:31 PM
Doesn't sound like the age of the tape was the cause though but rather the movie being played over by some other recording or did I get that wrong?
In any case it is an extreme shame.
Any chance whatsoever that anyone else you know may happen to have an old recording including these scenes? They sure would have made everyone's Christmas here.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Pikkutassu on December 25, 2009, 01:51:06 PM
Quote from: Malte279,Dec 25 2009 on  12:18 PM
Doesn't sound like the age of the tape was the cause though but rather the movie being played over by some other recording or did I get that wrong?
In any case it is an extreme shame.
Any chance whatsoever that anyone else you know may happen to have an old recording including these scenes? They sure would have made everyone's Christmas here.
You got that right not the age of the tape, but another movie recorded over the original recording.. :bang and I'm sure nobody else would have the same recording.

so now the only chance to see the scenes would be sending the TV stations feedback that they would play the movie again, but that's just not going to happen.....
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Pangaea on December 25, 2009, 01:59:09 PM
It wouldn't hurt to try, would it? The movie must be archived somewhere, right? And this is pretty significant news, seeing as we had thought that the footage had been discarded in the final cut of the movie and was lost wherever.

At any rate, it's a disappointment, but we greatly appreciate your trying so hard to give the rest of us a chance to see that footage. Thank you. :)
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Mumbling on December 25, 2009, 03:51:40 PM
That's really too bad. I had that pretty recently too with one of the recorded movies I enjoyed as a kid. Recently I got my hands on the original Dutch first land before time movie, but that one has nothing significant in it (except for the dutch name of Rooter, which stays silent in the movie).

I'll go and ask around on several free advertisement sites if anyone has a recorded tape from the TV-release in the Netherlands. Who knows, I might be able to aqcuire one.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Pikkutassu on December 25, 2009, 05:39:06 PM
Quote from: Pangaea,Dec 25 2009 on  12:59 PM
It wouldn't hurt to try, would it? The movie must be archived somewhere, right? And this is pretty significant news, seeing as we had thought that the footage had been discarded in the final cut of the movie and was lost wherever.

At any rate, it's a disappointment, but we greatly appreciate your trying so hard to give the rest of us a chance to see that footage. Thank you. :)
Yeah I sent feedback for the major TV stations here in finland, but I guess we can safely assume those scenes are now lost for good. sad stuff..
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Pikkutassu on December 31, 2009, 06:34:38 AM
Got a response from one, saying that they are interested in showing the movie. let's hope for the best.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Pangaea on January 01, 2010, 05:01:11 AM
When it does air, and if it is the version we want to see, do you have a means of recording it on a disc, so it could be directly uploaded?
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Pikkutassu on January 01, 2010, 08:40:56 PM
Yeah I'll definitely be recording it, if it does air.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Pikkutassu on January 19, 2010, 05:29:33 PM
Found another 80s trailer, which has a scene that was in the tv version (from the battle between sharptooth and littlefoots mom IIRC)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpxdDQkwV8Q#t=4m4s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpxdDQkwV8Q#t=4m4s)

or is that scene at 4:15 in the theatrical version? I can't recall that one...
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: DarkHououmon on January 19, 2010, 06:05:08 PM
Nope, that scene wasn't in the theatrical version.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Malte279 on January 19, 2010, 06:06:44 PM
Interesting really. I need to check out again, but I am pretty sure you are correct that the scene at about 4:15 was NOT in the cinema version. I haven't seen it in any of the other trailers which include outcut LBT scenes either. This scene may well be part of the many "too scary" sharptooth scenes which have been cut out. Thank you very much for sharing it with us :)
You sure are an archeologist on behalf of these scenes :yes
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: NeoGenesis005 on January 19, 2010, 06:43:37 PM
Everytime I see a cutsence for that movie it always bring me to tears, why they had to cut it out I don't know why.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Pikkutassu on January 20, 2010, 07:04:53 AM
(http://content9.flixster.com/photo/10/33/69/10336927_gal.jpg) A pic from the berry scene
 
This site (http://www.locatetv.com/movie/land-before-time) says the movie will be airing on HBO saturday 30th... does anyone have the channel to check it out?
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Petrie. on January 20, 2010, 07:46:15 AM
That cutout looks awfully familiar.....I wonder if that was one I had uploaded waaayyy back when I had a page dedicated to deleted scenes.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: 2007excalibur2007 on January 20, 2010, 08:26:58 AM
My cable has HBO, but since I'm in Indonesia (HBO Asia; totally different show schedules)... :neutral
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: DarkHououmon on January 20, 2010, 08:36:53 AM
I checked the schedule and I think I can safely say that this airing may not include any cut scenes. The time run stated is only an hour and six minutes, which is about the same runtime as my copy of Land Before Time on DVD; in fact it's shorter. The movie on the DVD is an hour and nine minutes, meaning the TV airing will be 3 minutes shorter. A shame really. It would have been nice if HBO was able to air that uncut LBT you had seen before, Pikkutassu.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: 2007excalibur2007 on January 20, 2010, 09:34:33 AM
Quote from: DarkHououmon,Jan 20 2010 on  07:36 PM
the TV airing will be 3 minutes shorter.
I think it's because of the fact that when they air movies on TV, they would usually show it at a slightly faster frame rate - usually at 25 frames/second. On DVDs, movies are usually played at 23.976 frames/second. So...

Code:  on  
69 minutes : (25.000 : 23.976 fps) = Approx. 66 minutes [66.17376 minutes]
(or an hour and 6 minutes)

Yep, 3 minutes shorter indeed. I'm such a nerd at these things. :p
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Malte279 on January 20, 2010, 03:53:23 PM
Quote
That cutout looks awfully familiar.....I wonder if that was one I had uploaded waaayyy back when I had a page dedicated to deleted scenes.
Aye, but I think we so far failed to put it up here so really good going to post it here Pikkutassu :yes
The scene is almost certainly the one that was cut right after Spike's hatching.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Petrie. on January 20, 2010, 10:01:54 PM
^ Where'd he find it then?  treestars.net has been offline for years and I've long since lost all my files from the site so I no longer have any images or things used when I made the site.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Pikkutassu on January 21, 2010, 03:25:56 AM
Quote from: Petrie,Jan 20 2010 on  09:01 PM
^ Where'd he find it then? treestars.net has been offline for years and I've long since lost all my files from the site so I no longer have any images or things used when I made the site.
There was a gallery on this site where I found it http://www.flixster.com/movie/the-land-before-time (http://www.flixster.com/movie/the-land-before-time)

I checked that treestars.net deleted scenes page from archive, and saw the speculation about grandpa. I think he was indeed talking at some point in the movie.

There was a short scene right after Littlefoot and Cera got separated and they woke up to the noise wondering where they are, but I'm not sure if it's that, beacause I remember he could be talking to Littlefoot.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Kor on January 21, 2010, 03:30:42 AM
It does sound interesting to see an additional scene.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Pikkutassu on February 04, 2010, 06:24:14 AM
The original tv station finally answered after I sent e-mails to the people in charge. They still have the movie archived, but they don't have the rights to show it since they are only 3-4 years.

But, they are now working on re-buying the rights.  :yes
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Malte279 on February 04, 2010, 06:55:35 AM
I'm quite excited about this. Please let us know when you hear anything new about it. With the 3 to 4 years you mean that this was the time-span for which the TV-station had the right to air the movie?
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Pikkutassu on February 04, 2010, 08:25:37 AM
Quote from: Malte279,Feb 4 2010 on  05:55 AM
I'm quite excited about this. Please let us know when you hear anything new about it. With the 3 to 4 years you mean that this was the time-span for which the TV-station had the right to air the movie?
Yes, 3-4 years is the time limit for the airing rights of any foreign content.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Kor on February 04, 2010, 12:05:20 PM
Hopefully they can get the rights and can air the film again.   Many fans may be happy to see it again I'm sure.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Pikkutassu on February 05, 2010, 09:59:20 PM
Yeah..I don't see why they wouldn't get the rights so chances are we'll see it during christmas time probably, that's when they aired the movie in 1995 and 1998.

and here's the press pictures in color:

(http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/5934/koliq.jpg)
(http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/7291/ykst.jpg)
(http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/5760/kaks.jpg)
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Pikkutassu on February 07, 2010, 12:03:09 AM
(http://www.animationsensations.com/img/dinosaur2.jpg)

This is definitely right after petrie climbs back up from the water and ducky grabs him
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Mumbling on February 07, 2010, 03:59:45 AM
Wow that one has an official seal on it
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Kor on February 07, 2010, 04:05:42 AM
Forgot how colorful this film can be, though it does look like it needs cleaning, still very watchable.  Hope you get a chance to see it, and record it too if you can.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Malte279 on February 07, 2010, 04:50:00 AM
^ I had never ever seen that one before Pikkutassu :)
Where did you find it?
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Pikkutassu on February 07, 2010, 09:08:54 AM
Quote from: Malte279,Feb 7 2010 on  03:50 AM
^ I had never ever seen that one before Pikkutassu :)
Where did you find it?
I checked this site that has cels (http://www.animationsensations.com/other_animation_cels.html) through archive to reveal what cels they had in the past.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Pikkutassu on February 07, 2010, 05:45:31 PM
The full size cel wasn't archived, but here's one from a sharptooth scene.
(http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/9905/01lan6btn2.jpg)

Edit:
Some new production drawings on ebay. This one confirms my memory of a scene before they go swimming in the pond. Most likely cut out because of littlefoot mentioning he found the great valley after they save Cera.
(http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/9461/blesbwb2kkgrhqyheiettkw.jpg)
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Nightflower on May 10, 2010, 09:57:11 PM
Wow, that sharptooth cell has the potential to be veery scary!! I'm imagining seeing it full sized in a theater full of little kids....I see why that was cut, lol! I'd love to see it though, now that I'm old enough to take it!
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: ScratteLover2 on June 04, 2010, 12:07:11 PM
Quote from: Pikkutassu,Dec 9 2009 on  03:45 AM
Quote from: Noname,Dec 9 2009 on  03:43 AM
Are these scenes dubbed in Finnish?
Yes they are. If you want I can add subtitles.
Are you planning on adding the full movie with the deleted scenes to youtube? Reading the deleted scenes isn't as good as seeing them, in english.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: LBTFan13 on June 04, 2010, 12:38:34 PM
Posting full movies/episodes is strictly forbidden on this forum, at least I'm pretty sure it is. This is not meant to serve as a warehouse for movies, and it is technically illegal to upload movies onto a website like this, again at least I think it is.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: ScratteLover2 on June 06, 2010, 08:08:00 PM
Quote from: LBTFan13,Jun 4 2010 on  11:38 AM
Posting full movies/episodes is strictly forbidden on this forum, at least I'm pretty sure it is. This is not meant to serve as a warehouse for movies, and it is technically illegal to upload movies onto a website like this, again at least I think it is.
I didn't say he had to upload them here, I just meant he could upload them on youtube, so I could see them, hopefully in english. With WinDVD player, the language can be switched to english, no matter where you live.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: pokeplayer984 on June 06, 2010, 10:01:10 PM
This movie just has to be re-released with the Deleted Scenes.  I would SO buy that. :)
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: LBTFan13 on June 06, 2010, 11:30:38 PM
Unfortunately, that is also illegal on Youtube. That is considered copyright infringement and is not accepted on Youtube. However, I agree that seeing the deleted scenes would certainly be an amazing treat.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: crapfire on June 19, 2010, 12:45:18 AM
deviantart (http://amcalmaron.deviantart.com/art/Land-Before-Time-Analysis-135912963)

so if anyone's still interested in the LBT conspiracy I thought this was interesting

I take no credit

any news of the re-buying of the rights????

THE LAND BEFORE TIME IS THE BEST
regrettably the sequels lack the finesse of the original

 <_<


 :goodluck
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Almaron on June 21, 2010, 06:37:54 AM
Quote
deviantart

so if anyone's still interested in the LBT conspiracy I thought this was interesting

Yep, that's my old Soundtrack Analysis. I haven't done any work on that in a while. It's mentioned on the page, but there's a mistake in the image. The final music before the credits (Track 6 Part 8) should be split in two; some of the extra music from Track 7 goes there (it's the music that plays when Ducky, Petrie and Cera find their parents).
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: crapfire on June 26, 2010, 12:40:13 PM
oh wow hahaha small world
kudos on your excellent analyzing skills
by the way, what soundtrack is it that you own? I have the Original Motion Picture Soundtrack (which is AMAZING) and am extremely jealous of this rare soundtrack you posses because I don't have 8 tracks and only 7. do you have some ultra secret score? how different is it from my copy?
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Almaron on June 26, 2010, 05:27:21 PM
Eight tracks? Nope, I've got the Original Soundtrack too, as far as I know there isn't any other version. What I meant by Part Eight was the eighth part of Track 6 as divided up in the top of my picture. I should have marked the time of each part on the picture in retrospect, but you can still count it. Each pixel from left to right represents one second...except now that I look at it I neglected to put a download option on Deviantart. Whoops.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Petrie. on August 10, 2010, 10:46:14 AM
Pikatassu, please keep us informed on the movie rights in Finland.  Most peculiar that one nation would have cut scenes in the film, and nobody else would.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Malte279 on August 10, 2010, 10:56:29 AM
Over here a scene from LBT 6 was cut on the video version. While in the original version the scene after the sharptooth hurls the hollow logs with the kids inside across the canyon is followed by a scene in which they are debating on whether they have been eaten. That scene was missing in the German video version where the scene with Petrie looking out of the log followed right after it was hurled across the canyon. On the DvD version the image(s) of the scene are in the German version but without any sound to it. It is surprising that this would work the other way round (the original having less scenes than a translation) but in case the translation was done at an early stage (when the final cut had not been completed) this might be a reason for additional material in the Finnish version.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Pikkutassu on August 12, 2010, 10:58:37 AM
Quote from: Malte279,Aug 10 2010 on  09:56 AM
- - but in case the translation was done at an early stage (when the final cut had not been completed) this might be a reason for additional material in the Finnish version.
Yeah this is what I suspected as well. If they have acquired the rights they'll show it on the christmasday like before, I think.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Spiketail on August 12, 2010, 04:37:32 PM
In case nobody else has recently browsed DonBluth.com, Gary Goldman has released another slightly different answer to the famous deleted scenes question:

"The scenes were deleted from the work print during a meeting with Steven Spielberg and George Lucas after a screening in late April of 1988, to reduce the more frightening scenes within the sharptooth attack of Littlefoot and Cera through the briars. Most of these scenes were in pencil test, not yet in color. The actual drawings may still be in the film's archive, now at Universal, but there is no negative film of these scenes. So a "director's cut" is completely out of the question. Further, we would have to get Universal, Steve and George to all agree that it would be worth the time and cost to complete these scenes to color, cut them into the negative and prepare a new master color print and inter-positive to strike a new digital master for DVD and DVD Blu-ray production. The chances of that, I believe, are nil. Looking back, I wish that we would have just finished the scenes to color with painted backgrounds and filmed them, just in case there would be a call for an original "director's cut" - but, alas, we did not. Thanks again for your inquiry."

I have to ask though, if there really was no negative made of those scenes, how did one of those shots find its way into a TV spot? How did the rest of the deleted scenes mentioned on this board find their way onto Finnish TV and in the hands of skilled dubbers? Seeing how popular the original film is, if Gary did ask Lucas and Spielberg about restoring the cut, even if those scenes may not be recoloured, I reckon it would make a bootful of money, but only if marketed correctly.

Pikkutassu, I really do hope they show the uncut version on Finnish TV. The worst case scenario would be that the station could show a new print of the film and not the version you saw all those years ago. At least they are open enough to listen to viewer's comments, unlike a lot of stations these days.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: oogaboo on August 23, 2010, 10:14:31 AM
:blink: This topic is old. But I can understand why its so popular. Trying to find a bunch of cut scenes is like trying to find a bunch of ancient dinosaur bones. If they are trying to buy the rights can they at least make one more LBT closely related to the original? And released in theaters?
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Mumbling on August 23, 2010, 10:37:46 AM
Just posting in this topic to say that I placed an advertisement on a populair dutch site which is very much like Ebay, but free. I asked for people with recorded VHS tapes of the land before time, which included the scenes shown on the pictures on the first page. I said I would give 10 euros for the tape, which is a very high price for a VHS, but totally worth it if someone has the original cutscenes.

Because to be honest with you, I cannot remember whether the version I saw in 1995 was cut or uncut, I was only 2 years old! But if it has been there in Finland, I wonder why not somewhere else in Europe either ;)? I also posted a notice on the dutch land before time website, now all I will do is wait patiently.

Perhaps pikkatassu or another finnish member can try the same in their country?
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Dilopho on August 23, 2010, 12:18:17 PM
Hopefully there is somebody with a tape.  I know from my old VHS tapes that the visual quality has become very very poor.

What would interest me is why they, beside the sharptooth scenes, also deleted conversations and changed the scene order.  Through that there is a different story and also some facts about the relationship we don't know. I can't imagine that Ducky with some berries in front of Spike hurts a child.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Pikkutassu on August 23, 2010, 12:34:28 PM
Quote from: Mumbling,Aug 23 2010 on  09:37 AM
Just posting in this topic to say that I placed an advertisement on a populair dutch site which is very much like Ebay, but free. I asked for people with recorded VHS tapes of the land before time, which included the scenes shown on the pictures on the first page. I said I would give 10 euros for the tape, which is a very high price for a VHS, but totally worth it if someone has the original cutscenes.

Because to be honest with you, I cannot remember whether the version I saw in 1995 was cut or uncut, I was only 2 years old! But if it has been there in Finland, I wonder why not somewhere else in Europe either ;)? I also posted a notice on the dutch land before time website, now all I will do is wait patiently.

Perhaps pikkatassu or another finnish member can try the same in their country?
I did this and put announcements everywhere, got 1 response from someone who had the tape but then he just disappeared.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Mumbling on August 23, 2010, 01:24:07 PM
Ah that is too bad.. We can't give up though!
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Dilopho on August 23, 2010, 03:26:45 PM
Does anybody know which scene the following picture shows? I found it on a page with some animation cels.

(http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/vxh-l.jpg) (http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/vxh-l-jpg-nb.html)
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Malte279 on August 23, 2010, 07:26:17 PM
Certainly not a scene shown in the original movie.
It would be interesting to know if it is from an outcut scene or a fake. The very first image posted in this thread was also from a page where they sold animation sells (not not for little money) but that one is almost certain to be a fake.
This last one you posted looks more authentic. It is very difficult to tell who exactly the figure above Petrie's and Littlefoot's head is.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Adder on August 23, 2010, 07:46:35 PM
I have two questions:


1) What is that yellow thing in the mud?


2) Is that a lizard next to it?
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Almaron on August 23, 2010, 10:56:06 PM
Isn't that Spike and Ducky in the foreground? I'm more interested in who that unconcious dinosaur in the background is.

When I first looked at it, I thought it could be part of the shot where Cera leaves after being rescued from the Pachycephalosauruses.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Pangaea on August 24, 2010, 12:33:10 AM
I don’t know, that cel looks fake to me. :huh: I think the characters are just pulled from various shots in the movie and superimposed on the background. Note the way Cera is shaded compared to everyone else; I think she was taken from the shot where she is in the crevasse, just before she jumps onto Sharptooth’s tail and slides down. The others I think are from the scene Almaron mentioned, where they are calling for Cera to come back after saving her from the domeheads, with their relative positions moved around a bit (I’m certain of Ducky and pretty sure of Littlefoot and Petrie, though Spike may be from a different scene).

I think the small figure over Littlefoot’s head is actually Sharptooth in the scene where the gang sees him climbing the mountainside, shortly before the final battle. I’m not entirely sure where the backdrop comes from, but I’m guessing it’s probably the scene where Littlefoot and Cera are playing in the pond and encounter Sharptooth for the first time.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Pikkutassu on August 24, 2010, 01:48:43 AM
That's the tar pit scene with character cels added from various scenes (notice the lines in mud to place littlefoot's figure). Like that 'unconscious dino' which is sharptooth sniffing while climbing up the hill.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Pikkutassu on August 26, 2010, 03:37:01 PM
(http://www.thenewparentsguide.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/land-before-time.jpg)

This background here could be from the original ending, without the mom's "ghost". As opposed to the one seen in the cut version, which they could have moved to the end fit the ghost scene:
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_an0hcuy9GdU/SlS7lJQeUZI/AAAAAAAAB9A/jqZgxO9R-bE/s1600/TheLandBeforeTimeScreen.jpg)
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: DarkHououmon on August 26, 2010, 03:39:50 PM
The posture of the characters is the same as it is in the ending in the movie. The only thing that's really changed is the background.

Edit: Nevermind, posted this before I saw the modified post.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Malte279 on August 26, 2010, 03:42:01 PM
Nope. That picture is NOT from an outcut scene. It was created by a land before time fan named Christian who hasn't been on the GOF in ages. He put the background of one screenshot I sent him behind the foreground of another image I sent him. For some reason the resulting image has become rather far spread over the internet, but it has nothing to do with an outcut scene.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Pikkutassu on August 26, 2010, 03:53:15 PM
I also noticed that in the trailers you'll see littlefoot running far away in the tunnel to the great valley, but in the movie you can't. Which indicates of extra cuts to make the moved scene to fit in the ending smoother.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Petrie. on August 26, 2010, 04:30:59 PM
Quote from: Malte279,Aug 26 2010 on  02:42 PM
Nope. That picture is NOT from an outcut scene. It was created by a land before time fan named Christian who hasn't been on the GOF in ages. He put the background of one screenshot I sent him behind the foreground of another image I sent him. For some reason the resulting image has become rather far spread over the internet, but it has nothing to do with an outcut scene.
The picture inadvertently seen around the world and thought to be real.  :wow
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Dilopho on August 28, 2010, 01:07:41 PM
I could be wrong but do you realize that on the large colored versions of the press pictures 2 and 3 you can see at page 6 Littlefoot has only a small black pupil. In the movie you can see a short close up of his face after the discovery of the valley and this is the only moment which also shows his eye with a little black pupil.
Could be a further prove for a rearranged scene.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Pikkutassu on September 03, 2010, 11:00:33 AM
(http://www.sheridanstainedglass.com/images/tempImages/LandB4Time_PietreIMG_3473.jpg) Cel from the spike hatching scene?
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Pangaea on September 04, 2010, 03:06:05 AM
Do you own that cel, Pikkutassu? If so, wow! :wow

I recognize that image. It's the same as one of the pictures in the very first post in this thread (Well, part of the image, anyway).

I will NEVER understand why they decided to cut that scene out of the movie. :crazy Even if they were trying to reduce the length of the film (I'll never understand where they got that idea either :rolleyes), it seems ridiculous to cut a scene that plays a part in the introduction of a major character. <_< :bang

Sorry if that came off as a rant. Just thinking out loud.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Malte279 on September 04, 2010, 04:32:31 AM
Given the fact that the movie was one of the shortest of its kind already, that kids would hardly be scared by a scene about a sleeping dinosaur being lured to come along by a branch of berries (a scene by the way that gave further foundation to Spike's later adoption), that images of the scene were used for the display of cinema showcases, and that the next scene in the movie does show Ducky luring Spike on with the branch I seriously don't know why they felt they had to cut the scene :(
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Pikkutassu on September 04, 2010, 05:42:51 AM
It's likely they wanted to tone down the "racism" in the movie, as cera didn't want spike to come along. I can't think of other reason.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Dilopho on September 04, 2010, 05:58:15 AM
In case of racism, I would think that a child is the best address to show such a problem.  If you learn that this is wrong when you are young then it is better then if you grow up with prejudices.

Besides that Spielberg, who is responsible for the cuts, isn't known for harmless movies without racism.

Edit: The shown cel, I think its from Ebay, shows the same content like you can see on the cinema picture at page 1 and according to the frame number of another cel from ebay its the Spike-scene.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Pikkutassu on September 07, 2010, 11:21:54 AM
Well this is a legit one, and if we compare we can clearly see a different background being used:

(http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/3354/captureun.jpg)
(http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/9251/capturedq.png)
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Dilopho on September 07, 2010, 09:04:19 PM
Yesterday I read the "Illustrated Story"-book for the first time. Now it seems to me that the end of the movie is also different to the original ending. In the book the lift up-scene is after the death of Sharptooth and at the end of the story Littlefoot is on the top a windy hill alone with the cloud of his mother and talks to her one last time.
In the movie the final scene is also situated on the top of an hill and above the hill you can see a cloud that could be the mother.
Is it be possible that they switched the single original Littlefoot with the figures from a deleted scene after the death of Sharptooth and arranged them with the hill-background to create an end that is more epic and final?
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Almaron on September 08, 2010, 06:10:31 PM
There was a different ending; there's several pics on this page already of clips from this. Also, if you are lucky enough to own the soundtrack (I do, yay me!), you can actually hear where the missing scenes went. I posted a picture analysing the soundtrack ages back; I think it's on this page, but for sake of ease, I'll retell it here. Judging by the way the music goes (in other words, where the music is played in the film);

The alternate ending starts immediately after the GOF splits in two, and Cera leads Spike, Ducky & Petrie into the "Mountains That Burn". Immediately after Ducky and Spike seperate from the group, we return to Littlefoot climbing the hill, where he hears his mother's voice calling him. Littlefoot sees her shape in cloud form, and follows her as she leaves, ending up on a rocky plateau. The sun comes out through the clouds, revealing the Great Valley below. Littlefoot, realising he's found it, happily jumps through the upper part of the waterfall. However, he realises that Cera will be leading the others the wrong way, and so he goes back to get them (rescuing them, and heading to the large lake). At the lake, they hear Sharptooth moving over the mountains. Littlefoot realises that he will follow them into the valley, and thus they plan to get rid of him (there's a good minute or so of music here that's not in the film; presumably this scene went longer). Their plan is successful, despite Petrie getting pulled down with Sharptooth as he falls. However, he is alright, and Littlefoot leads the others from the rocky point above the lake to the entrance to the valley.

You can see evidence for this in the film. When Littlefoot is on that rocky part at the end, and sees the ghost of his mother, look at his surroundings. Not only can you see the lake below him, but above that is the ramp and rock that they push on Sharptooth. When he runs after her, you can see he's running up the same hill he was going up when Cera deserted. Finally, when Sharptooth is seen climbing around the lake, you can see green plants growing on the right side of the screen; where the Valley is. In addition to this, the air is of a deeper colour, compared to the barren colours of the rest of the film.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Dilopho on September 09, 2010, 02:49:07 AM
Yes that what you describe is pretty much the story of the book.
But what I mean is the last scene of the movie, when you can see them all together and when they hug each other. In the book this scene takes place before they enter the GV and at the last page of the book Littlefoot (alone on the top of an hill) talks to his mother.
What confuses me is that in the movie the final hug-scene is situated on an hill and you can see a cloud above the hill.
So maybe the cutters took only the animated figures from a deleted hug-scene after Petries rescue and replaced the single Littlefoot figure on the hill with them for a better ending.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Almaron on September 09, 2010, 07:43:47 AM
Hmm, I've never heard of that particular scene before. But I do know that there was an extra scene following the hill hug, you can see it in one of the trailers for LBT on video (it's on this page somewhere). Basically, after they all hug, Littlefoot says "Now we'll always be friends" or something like that. Perhaps this followed on from that (or it could be the author of the book continuing things on to make a new ending).
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Pikkutassu on September 09, 2010, 12:27:22 PM
I just got an update from someone at the TV station, the status of the rights still remain the same.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Pikkutassu on September 12, 2010, 06:19:15 AM
What do you think of these? The latter one looks like Cera leaving the gang after they go talk to her in the cave.

(http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/3515/075y.jpg)
(http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/2585/cee.jpg)
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Campion1 on September 12, 2010, 07:32:21 AM
Looks very fake, doesn't even have the same color theme a the rest of the film.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Spiketail on September 15, 2010, 05:22:15 PM
To your earlier post: does that mean they still haven't got the rights to show it? If so that would be a real shame.

The background on the first cel is definitely fake, but the actual cels themselves may be real. A lot of cels do come with fake backgrounds so this doesn't surprise me in the least.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Adder on September 15, 2010, 05:31:14 PM
Well, look at Spike in this one:

(http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/3515/075y.jpg)

He looks photoshopped into the picture if you look where his legs and tail are.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Pikkutassu on October 12, 2010, 09:02:19 AM
I came across this description of Spike's birth scene from one of the books, which brought it very lively to my mind. I remember Petrie and Ducky running behind Spike, who keeps bumping his head in the ground finally succeeding, because Cera mentions sharptooth:
Quote
"You are a spike-tail, so I will call you Spike," Ducky said.
The rest of the group came running up. "This is my new friend Spike," said Ducky. "Can we take him with us? Huh? Huh?"
"He'll slow us down," Cera said. "All spike-tails can do is eat and burp. Sharptooth will catch up and eat us!"
"No more dumb stories," Littlefoot said sternly.
"I'm telling the truth!" Cera cried.
Over Cera's protests Spike joined the group.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: jansenov on December 30, 2010, 07:41:23 PM
After reading this topic and examining all the missing scenes I'm 100% sure I saw the uncut version on Super RTL back in 2002. I can clearly remember the scene where Ducky lured Spike with berries and Littlefoot seeing the Great Valley and returning to the Mysterious Beyond to search for his friends. I also remember the battle between Sharptooth and Littlefoot's mother being bloodier and more intense, and the final battle in the movie being longer too, although this I'm not 100% sure. It could be my subjective feeling.

But for the other two scenes I mentioned I'm willing to put my right hand in fire. Sadly, I haven't recorded it. It was complete coincidence that I turned the TV on back then.

And from some other clues, I suspect that Super RTL has been showing the uncut version year after year during summertime, each time followed by a selection of sequels (look here (http://www.das-tv-programm.de/fernsehen/2243952080/In-einem-Land-vor-unserer-Zeit--Die-Dinos-kommen.html),here (http://moxxtv.info/in-einem-land-vor-unserer-zeit-die-dinos-kommen-sa-03-07-2015-super-rtl/) and here (http://www.toptv.de/Sendung/in-einem-land-vor-unserer-zeit-die-dinos-kommen-family-cartoon/649277); the duration of the movie is 75 minutes!), and that we can expect this trend to continue in the future.

So, we should hold our breath until summer 2011, or scour Germany and its neighborhood for LBT recordings from Super RTL, particularly from 2002.

And Pikkutassu, keep on the good work!
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Waluigifan on December 30, 2010, 07:56:38 PM
Really? Then I've probably watched the uncut version, too, because I used to watch Super RTL pretty much in my childhood. I even watched LBT on SuperRTL with my friends on Fridays, when the "Cartoon Special" was shown (ah, good old times...).

Unfortunately no recordings were made.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Karmarsi on December 30, 2010, 08:32:33 PM
 This could be a good chance to record the uncut version! I do hope if you are able to watch it again you could record it <3 Everyone here in the family 9 GoF ) wants to see the uncut version incredibly badly.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: jansenov on December 30, 2010, 08:58:20 PM
I think I do have all the necessary equipment to record the movie in PAL quality. Me and my father will test it after New Year. However, uploading the movie anywhere could be a great obstacle. I think it would be more practical to send copies by regular mail. However, for now such technical problems belong to the domain of "Don't count your hatchlings until they hatch!".
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: WeirdRaptor on December 30, 2010, 08:58:20 PM
Alright, I take back my "give it up already folks" comments. You might actually be able to make this happen.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Karmarsi on December 30, 2010, 08:59:41 PM
 I would absolutely adore a copy <3 My friend, Adder I believe, has a place where they can upload footage, perhaps you could talk to them about hosting the recorded footage if you do?

EDIT - If you do in fact record it, do you think you could put English subtitles?
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Adder on December 30, 2010, 09:01:42 PM
Quote from: jansenov,Dec 30 2010 on  07:58 PM
However, uploading the movie anywhere could be a great obstacle.
I can give you the login information to my photobucket account, and you can upload it to this album: http://s1223.photobucket.com/albums/dd515/...toshop%20edits/ (http://s1223.photobucket.com/albums/dd515/Adder2/Photoshop%20edits/)

Its a private album, so if you can get it, send me a personal message, and I'll give you the username and password, but make sure you log out once you upload it. I'll just change my password once you do. But I'm not sure how much of my bandwith of my account it would take up; I only have 50% if my space left.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Karmarsi on December 30, 2010, 09:07:06 PM
Quote from: Adder,Dec 30 2010 on  09:01 PM
Quote from: jansenov,Dec 30 2010 on  07:58 PM
However, uploading the movie anywhere could be a great obstacle.
I can give you the login information to my photobucket account, and you can upload it to this album: http://s1223.photobucket.com/albums/dd515/...toshop%20edits/ (http://s1223.photobucket.com/albums/dd515/Adder2/Photoshop%20edits/)

Its a private album, so if you can get it, send me a personal message, and I'll give you the username and password, but make sure you log out once you upload it. I'll just change my password once you do. But I'm not sure how much of my bandwith of my account it would take up; I only have 50% if my space left.
 Perhaps creating a second account if possible? I actually need to go through my photobucket to delete uneeded images / items o.o

Gracious why am I so excited? Stop being so overly excited self~~ <33
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Adder on December 30, 2010, 09:09:59 PM
Quote from: Karmarsi,Dec 30 2010 on  08:07 PM
Perhaps creating a second account if possible? I actually need to go through my photobucket to delete uneeded images / items o.o

Gracious why am I so excited? Stop being so overly excited self~~ <33  
I'd go through mine, but other than episode 26 of AOFW, there's nothing I don't need, but that may make a difference, its a 30 minute video, so that might be why.

I'll get on deleting what I don't need. :!

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Why did I write know?.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Pikkutassu on December 30, 2010, 09:13:26 PM
Quote from: WeirdRaptor,Dec 30 2010 on  07:58 PM
Alright, I take back my "give it up already folks" comments. You might actually be able to make this happen.
I'm really close to getting my hands on another tape of the airing from here as well. Things suddenly look very promising  :yes
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: jansenov on December 30, 2010, 09:14:13 PM
As I said, don't count your hatchlings until they hatch. I don't want to raise people's expectations just to fail them latter on. Calmness and patience are the only tools available to us at the moment. ;)
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Karmarsi on December 30, 2010, 09:14:45 PM
Quote from: Pikkutassu,Dec 30 2010 on  09:13 PM
Quote from: WeirdRaptor,Dec 30 2010 on  07:58 PM
Alright, I take back my "give it up already folks" comments. You might actually be able to make this happen.
I'm really close to getting my hands on another tape of the airing from here as well. Things suddenly look very promising  :yes
Yes they do! quite the blessing if you ask me <3 Hopefully sometime in the near future we all can see the deleted scenes <3 I'll need to check my VHS tape tomorrow morning to see if I have deleted scenes as well~
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: jansenov on January 07, 2011, 03:38:52 PM
Another interesting page (http://www.superrtl.de/TVProgramm/Movies/IneinemLandvorunsererZeitDieDinoskommen/tabid/918/Default.aspx) to look at. It contains a part of a missing scene that we can see in one of Pikkutassu's posts in this thread. However, the image on Super RTL has different colors than the one Pikkutassu gave us. It makes me wonder if this image too is a color scan from a press release, like Pikkutassu's, or a screenshot from a copy of the movie in Super RTL's possesion. There's one more thing that makes me believe it is the latter case.

If you compare the two images, you'll see that the one owned by Super RTL is reversed. I remember the scene where Littlefoot licked his shadow from the 2002 airing. The shadow was on the right side, in contrast to the DVD version where it is placed on the left. I also remember a scene from a sequel I saw on Super RTL, when the herds leave the Great Valley and encounter a Saurolophus skeleton in the desert, when Ducky's mom covers Ducky's face to spare her from the horrible sight. The herds approached the skeleton from the right, while in the DVD version I saw two days ago the herds approached it from the left. Does anybody else find this interesting?



Anyway, I wanted to update on the technical stuff. At the moment I do not have a means to make the computer receive input from the satellite receiver, so it is not possible to record anything. My father explained to me we could improvise by connecting the receiver to a TV card he lended to his friend, but the loss of quality would be substantial because this receiver converts digital signal from the satellite to analog, and the TV card (which is quite old) converts analog to digital again. However, the good news is that in a few weeks we're buying a brand new receiver that will actually be a computer with Linux, so signal conversion will be unnecessary. Then I can compress the recording, make subtitle files, and hopefully upload it somewhere.

Does anybody happen to own a server here? My upload speed is in the 20-30 kbps range. I can also burn the compressed file on a DVD, pack it well and then send it to the server owner free of charge. Or I can send DVDs to anyone who asks, but I'm afraid I can't pay for the shipping.

Also, I would like some feedback from the German-speaking members:

Has anybody aside from Waluigifan been following our beloved movie on Super RTL? If so, do you remember some of the missing scenes? Do you know somebody who might have watched and recorded the movie?

Is anybody out there already searching for recordings of previous airing on Super RTL?

And lastly, could somebody write a letter to Super RTL and ask the if they intended to show In einem Land vor unserer Zeit- Die Dinos kommen in the near future? In German class at high school we never had much practice with writing letters.


And lastly (to all members), do you think this is all crazy? :unsure:
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Karmarsi on January 07, 2011, 03:55:51 PM
 I took 3 years of German and we practiced writing letters quite often. I forgot some words but I still got my translator book if that'll help.

Also Adder has a account where you can upload the video, he offered even.

I don't find this all crazy neither, I think of it as a opportunity we all been waiting for <3

EDIT - I checked the page, apparently the move comes on in march! :D 17 or so~ at... 8:15 it seems to say or something like that
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: jansenov on January 07, 2011, 04:29:38 PM
I'm sorry, but that page refers to 3th July, not 7th March. Dates are written differently in German. Also, I think that page refers to the 2010 airing, the one that we missed. But still, thank you for your kind offers, Adder and Karmarsi!
I'll keep them in mind.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Karmarsi on January 07, 2011, 04:35:22 PM
Quote from: jansenov,Jan 7 2011 on  03:29 PM
I'm sorry, but that page refers to 3th July, not 7th March. Dates are written differently in German. Also, I think that page refers to the 2010 airing, the one that we missed. But still, thank you for your kind offers, Adder and Karmarsi!
I'll keep them in mind.
 This just proves the fact I never memorized dates in german class, lol! My apologies <3
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Adder on January 07, 2011, 04:38:34 PM
What'd I miss? :confused
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Malte279 on January 07, 2011, 05:40:58 PM
^ Truth is that I don't watch LBT movies frequently. I am somewhat unwilling to watch them by myself and meetings with other LBT fans to watch them are rare. But I got all the movie's DvDs and I got English and German recordings from the TV episodes so theoretically I could watch them any time without depending on Super RTL with the commercial breaks.
I very rarely do though. They put me in a somewhat melancholic mood which is not the best for me at every time. Also there are one or two TV episodes which I have not seen to this day. It is kind even though I have the recordings. It is a bit like maintaining a few shores yet to be explored. I guess it is almost absolutely certain by now that there aren't going to be any further installments, and yet I got something left that I have not seen yet. There is something pleasant about the thought.

In einem Land vor unserer Zeit- Die Dinos kommen? Would that be the original movie? I haven't head the subtitle "Die Dinos kommen" so far.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: jansenov on January 07, 2011, 06:01:41 PM
Da, Malte, that would be the original movie. And I know about the melancholic mood. Especially when James Horner's score just keeps playing in your head.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Dilopho on January 08, 2011, 02:52:59 AM
If there is a different version then that we know then some of the spoken passages should be different and the german voice actors should know something about it. Maybe someone can ask them about it. The best choice for that would be the narrator but if I am right this person (german voice actor of Alec Guinness) is already dead so the actors of the gang remain.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Pikkutassu on January 09, 2011, 06:23:05 AM
Quote from: jansenov,Dec 30 2010 on  06:41 PM
I can clearly remember the scene where Ducky lured Spike with berries and Littlefoot seeing the Great Valley and returning to the Mysterious Beyond to search for his friends. I also remember the battle between Sharptooth and Littlefoot's mother being bloodier and more intense, and the final battle in the movie being longer too, although this I'm not 100% sure. It could be my subjective feeling.
Can you also remember the part when they walk all hungry before the oasis scene, and then Spike suddenly starts sniffing food, runs on top of a hill, where they see the oasis, and then race down the hill for it?
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: jansenov on January 09, 2011, 07:28:50 AM
I don't remember that, unfortunately. The oasis scene did seem very short when I recently saw the movie on DVD, but I can't remember anything specific. The scenes I remember best is Ducky luring  sleepy Spike with berries, Littlefoot discovering the Great Valley and turning back, and Littlefoot thinking his own shadow to be his mother (a sad scene, indeed). Anyway, is there any progress, Pikkutassu? I hope the PM system is working now.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Karmarsi on January 09, 2011, 11:15:22 AM
Quote from: jansenov,Jan 9 2011 on  06:28 AM
and Littlefoot thinking his own shadow to be his mother (a sad scene, indeed).
 Isn't that in the cut version, or is that specifically in the uncut? o.O I believe it's in cut version.

I remember ducky luring spike with berries also. Does that make me weird? xD
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Adder on January 09, 2011, 11:38:12 AM
Quote from: Karmarsi,Jan 9 2011 on  10:15 AM
Quote from: jansenov,Jan 9 2011 on  06:28 AM
and Littlefoot thinking his own shadow to be his mother (a sad scene, indeed).
Isn't that in the cut version, or is that specifically in the uncut? o.O I believe it's in cut version.

I remember ducky luring spike with berries also. Does that make me weird? xD
Littlefoot following his shadow thinking that it was his mother was in the final version (right?).

Are you talking about this scene?
(http://i1223.photobucket.com/albums/dd515/Adder2/LBTcutscene1.jpg)
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Mumbling on January 09, 2011, 12:35:06 PM
Littlefoot and his shadow was in the original version which is on DVD, it's not an outcut scene.

Quote
and then Spike suddenly starts sniffing food, runs on top of a hill, where they see the oasis, and then race down the hill for it?
Sounds like the part where they find the sea in LBT 5.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: jansenov on January 09, 2011, 01:24:23 PM
I didn't make myself clear enough. I was talking about scenes I remember in general, not just about the missing scenes. The shadow scene is indeed in the cut version. I'm sorry for causing confusion. Another scene I remember clearly is when Littlefoot gets the treestar from his mom. Also, I remember there was an advertisement for Land Before Time VIII in the middle of the airing. And that's it.
Just bits and pieces.

Adder, I remember that scene very clearly. Actually, it's the one I remember the best from the whole movie.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Malte279 on January 09, 2011, 01:32:48 PM
I think scenes in general ought to be an own thread. If regular scenes are discussed here it is bound to create confusion and is very likely to trigger false rumors.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Pikkutassu on January 11, 2011, 09:33:26 AM
Quote from: jansenov,Jan 9 2011 on  06:28 AM
Anyway, is there any progress, Pikkutassu? I hope the PM system is working now.
He went on to check the tapes, but his old VCR didn't work anymore. No news from the other guy.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Blaze on January 20, 2011, 04:12:24 PM
hey i know as an academic (well atleast i'm supposed to be) it's kind of a taboo to use wikipedia but . . .
i was reading the LBT page on wikipedia and in the 'legacy' section of the page, it states:

"In 2012, The Land Before Time should be released on Two-Disc DVD and First Time Ever High Definition Blu-Ray Disc as the 25th Anniversary Edition with "Back to The Land Before Time" featurette, never-before seen deleted scenes, theatrical trailer and much more."

It does clearly say that "citation needed" but all the same i'm wondering where this has come from? especially considering how the dut scenes are 1) supposed to have been lost 2) Don Bluth has said there is no plans to release any anniversay addition?

this might already have been asked but i was wondering if someone could shed some light here?

Cheers
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: LBTDiclonius on January 20, 2011, 06:38:04 PM
Quote from: Blaze,Jan 20 2011 on  03:12 PM
hey i know as an academic (well atleast i'm supposed to be) it's kind of a taboo to use wikipedia but . . .
i was reading the LBT page on wikipedia and in the 'legacy' section of the page, it states:

"In 2012, The Land Before Time should be released on Two-Disc DVD and First Time Ever High Definition Blu-Ray Disc as the 25th Anniversary Edition with "Back to The Land Before Time" featurette, never-before seen deleted scenes, theatrical trailer and much more."

It does clearly say that "citation needed" but all the same i'm wondering where this has come from? especially considering how the dut scenes are 1) supposed to have been lost 2) Don Bluth has said there is no plans to release any anniversay addition?

this might already have been asked but i was wondering if someone could shed some light here?

Cheers
Firstly, I wouldn't trust wikipedia. There's no telling if it could be real or not. But after I read your post Blaze, I had to look this up for myself. Googled LBT, looked up the wikipedia page, went to the 'legacy' part, and sure, enough, there it was.  So you weren't lying when you said that, (no duh) but nobody knows if it's true or not, but it was there. We're just begining 2011, so there's a long way to go until it might come out. But there's always hope.  :yes

P.S. what does 'citation needed' mean?
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Pikkutassu on January 20, 2011, 07:07:30 PM
Quote from: LBTDiclonius,Jan 20 2011 on  05:38 PM

P.S. what does 'citation needed' mean?
That there is no source marked. I think Don Bluth has stated clear enough that it won't be happening for this to be nothing but someone having super fun time again.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Blaze on January 20, 2011, 07:10:29 PM
Oh yeah, don't get me wrong i don't exactly trust wikipedia. but i find it's a good starting point, because it has links at the bottom of the page so you can follow them to do your own research.

Citation needed basically means that that particular peice of information needs referencing. In other words you need to be able to show your source. some of the sections marked as [citation needed] literally just need a link to the source adding. Others though (and this is why i'm tentative) are snippets of convosation or things that have been heard that might just be rumour. The author might've heard this from a friend, who heard it from some guy etc.

Like you say though, 2012 is a ways off yet but i for one shall be waiting with baited breath.

I can't believe they'd've just thrown away these cut scenes, but then again what do i know. if they'd shown test audiences the initial edit then used their feed back to do some more cuts before the final release surely that means there's the full sequence somewhere. HA listen to me i know nothing of the film industry and i'm making these sorts of judgements!
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Malte279 on January 20, 2011, 07:24:22 PM
If Wikipedia was quoted in scientific papers at the university over here that would be so bad a blunder that it might be enough for many professors to consider that papers fail. There is some good justification for it given the mistakes that have appeared at Wikipedia.
However Wikipedia is (and this is recognized at the university) a good source to find quotable source material. Many of the articles there have long bibliographical reference lists and with those it is relatively easy to get the respective source material.
The land before time however is something where one really must be extremely sceptical about what is written at Wikipedia. There have been countless stupid rumors spread there and I'm really wondering if those come from people who consider that funny enough to spend so much time on it or if there are any overenthusiastic fans who believe the stuff they write simply because they want to.
It is pretty much certain that this too is a rumor, there hasn't been any word from any official about any rerelease of the land before time (let alone of that one to include the deleted scenes).
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Blaze on January 20, 2011, 07:32:54 PM
Excatly Malte279, that's just what I mean  :)   it's nice to read it and ponder on the possibilities of it being true but all too often it's a passing remark blown out of all proportion.

Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: LBTDiclonius on January 20, 2011, 09:42:34 PM
Yep. Even though Wikipedia isn't always true, I like to think if it actually happened. Or will happen.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Hikaru on March 05, 2011, 02:30:53 PM
Hi, I'm Hikaru, been an avid LBT fan for years and would love to see the uncut version as well, however...

Now you don't have to believe me on this, but I used to have all the vids in the states here until a family member pawned them on me (yeah huge loss.)

But... I remember distinctly one deleted scene. I can see it clear as day in my head, and maybe my imagination is making it up but I could swear I saw it on TV or the vid I once had...

Does anyone else remember the fight with the mother, where the Sharptooth bit her in the back? In the VHS we see it only shadowed. But I keep seeing this picture in my mind of having seen the actual bite in her back and the damage done. I remember the skin flap being peeled in the bite, and so much more about that scene.

I have a server and would greatly be willing to upload it if someone can provide the uncut film. I would like to confirm if my memory is correct on this scene or if my mind is playing tricks on me. But I could swear I've seen that..
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Adder on March 05, 2011, 02:34:34 PM
Quote from: Hikaru,Mar 5 2011 on  01:30 PM
In the VHS we see it only shadowed. But I keep seeing this picture in my mind of having seen the actual bite in her back and the damage done. I remember the skin flap being peeled in the bite, and so much more about that scene.
I read on wikipedia some time back that was cut from the movie to give it a G rating instead of a PG rating, I didn't think it was true. At least that was cleared up.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Allicloud on March 06, 2011, 04:47:27 AM
Quote from: Hikaru,Mar 5 2011 on  01:30 PM
Hi, I'm Hikaru, been an avid LBT fan for years and would love to see the uncut version as well, however...

Now you don't have to believe me on this, but I used to have all the vids in the states here until a family member pawned them on me (yeah huge loss.)

But... I remember distinctly one deleted scene. I can see it clear as day in my head, and maybe my imagination is making it up but I could swear I saw it on TV or the vid I once had...

Does anyone else remember the fight with the mother, where the Sharptooth bit her in the back? In the VHS we see it only shadowed. But I keep seeing this picture in my mind of having seen the actual bite in her back and the damage done. I remember the skin flap being peeled in the bite, and so much more about that scene.

I have a server and would greatly be willing to upload it if someone can provide the uncut film. I would like to confirm if my memory is correct on this scene or if my mind is playing tricks on me. But I could swear I've seen that..
I did read that some of the original VHS copies had scenes that were cut later on. Looks like we may have some proof here.

Now, on to Ebay!
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Highsoar on March 11, 2011, 01:45:11 AM
Is the sharptooth scene posted early in this thread, theone at

http://mitglied.lycos.de/malte2709/Outcuts...oth%20death.jpg (http://mitglied.lycos.de/malte2709/Outcutscenes/Sharptooth%20death.jpg)

The same one that was posted here later on? With the sharptooth face?  I tried googling the site but it just says nothing is found.

Edit: OK now I know it isn't. But be careful of that link, it's setting off alarms with the Firefox detection addons.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Petrie. on March 12, 2011, 09:09:22 AM
^ That's Malte's old website...it shouldn't have any errors, problems, etc. unless the plugin has problems. ;)
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Hikaru on March 12, 2011, 03:54:54 PM
Quote from: Allicloud,Mar 6 2011 on  03:47 AM
Quote from: Hikaru,Mar 5 2011 on  01:30 PM
Hi, I'm Hikaru, been an avid LBT fan for years and would love to see the uncut version as well, however...

Now you don't have to believe me on this, but I used to have all the vids in the states here until a family member pawned them on me (yeah huge loss.)

But... I remember distinctly one deleted scene. I can see it clear as day in my head, and maybe my imagination is making it up but I could swear I saw it on TV or the vid I once had...

Does anyone else remember the fight with the mother, where the Sharptooth bit her in the back? In the VHS we see it only shadowed. But I keep seeing this picture in my mind of having seen the actual bite in her back and the damage done. I remember the skin flap being peeled in the bite, and so much more about that scene.

I have a server and would greatly be willing to upload it if someone can provide the uncut film. I would like to confirm if my memory is correct on this scene or if my mind is playing tricks on me. But I could swear I've seen that..
I did read that some of the original VHS copies had scenes that were cut later on. Looks like we may have some proof here.

Now, on to Ebay!
I recently found a 1998 VHS copy at Savers.(Thrift Store) I'll let people know if that one has anything on it. Because I still know I saw that scene. It's too clear to have been my imagination.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Pikkutassu on March 16, 2011, 01:17:15 PM
^I think early copies mean the 1980s copies or at most the ones before sequels.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: fenroyal on April 08, 2011, 09:06:33 PM
Hey ya'all, I am 99% sure that my original VHS copy of The Land Before Time is the uncut version, because I distinctly remember that exact same scene with the skin torn from Littlefoot's mother's back.  If someone could guide me as to how to share that scene on YouTube or somehow else, I'd be happy to share it with those who haven't seen it.

Also if there are any other scenes that were edited I can try and share those as well, or even attempt to set up a recording process to send VHS copies via mail, though I'm not a technically savvy person.  I also remember that berry scene with Spike!  100% certain of that.  I must have seen it somehow in my childhood...
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Mumbling on April 09, 2011, 01:21:30 AM
Could you check the length of the movie on your VHS tape, fenroyal? If it's near 64 minutes, I fear you have the cut version like anyone else. There is equipment for sale online which lets you convert VHS tapes to Digital material.

Also, welcome to the gang of five! :wave
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: jansenov on April 11, 2011, 07:05:57 AM
There will be a reprisal of LBT 1 on 14th May on Super RTL. They are early this year. I or one of my family members will record it. If there are any missing scenes, you will have them. If not, well, it was worth a try. And I'm afraid I will have to stop searching the Internet for recordings of previous airings, as I will have to terminate my bank account and credit card soon. :neutral
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Malte279 on April 11, 2011, 07:15:19 AM
I will always be amused about how you are more aware of the German TV program than I am ever gonna be :lol
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Petrie. on April 11, 2011, 07:42:12 AM
Sounds like a plan jasenov. :)  We'll be awaiting the day.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: vonboy on April 11, 2011, 09:05:34 AM
That's just two days before my birthday! It would be great if that was actually the uncut version. :DD
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Mumbling on April 11, 2011, 10:00:52 AM
^And one day after mine! Good B-day present if it were to be true ;)
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Allicloud on April 11, 2011, 11:58:36 AM
Quote from: jansenov,Apr 11 2011 on  06:05 AM
There will be a reprisal of LBT 1 on 14th May on Super RTL. They are early this year. I or one of my family members will record it. If there are any missing scenes, you will have them. If not, well, it was worth a try. And I'm afraid I will have to stop searching the Internet for recordings of previous airings, as I will have to terminate my bank account and credit card soon. :neutral
Oh awesome! If this does turn out to be the uncut version, you will have the entire LBT fanbase eating out of the palm of your hand.

If it's a German version, just remember to turn English subtitles on, if at all possible.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Petrie. on April 15, 2011, 08:19:11 AM
^ Subtitles for all practical purposes don't give out the best translations sometimes.  I'm sure a native speaker here can give us a better translation in most cases. :)
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Malte279 on April 15, 2011, 09:15:16 AM
While I may record it I must caution you against any premature cheers. Don't want to be a kill joy, but there have never been any outcut scenes on the German TV airings of LBT and I don't see any indication whatsoever why this should be different this time.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: oogaboo on April 15, 2011, 01:29:43 PM
If only I could speak German.-_-   Oh well, I'm more focused on learning Japanese and Spanish anyway.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Pikkutassu on April 16, 2011, 03:56:26 PM
Quote from: fenroyal,Apr 8 2011 on  08:06 PM
Hey ya'all, I am 99% sure that my original VHS copy of The Land Before Time is the uncut version, because I distinctly remember that exact same scene with the skin torn from Littlefoot's mother's back.  If someone could guide me as to how to share that scene on YouTube or somehow else, I'd be happy to share it with those who haven't seen it.

Also if there are any other scenes that were edited I can try and share those as well, or even attempt to set up a recording process to send VHS copies via mail, though I'm not a technically savvy person.  I also remember that berry scene with Spike!  100% certain of that.  I must have seen it somehow in my childhood...
Easisest way is to do it is a DVD/VHS combo player which lets you to transform the tape onto DVD with the press of a button. I bought the LG RC388 which let's you do that.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: fenroyal on April 16, 2011, 05:20:25 PM
My VHS has "1 hr. 9 mins." listed for length, so 69 minutes vs. 64 minutes?  I am about to pop it in the VHS player and see, because I watched the DVD-cut version on Netflix and I did notice that the Sharptooth/Littlefoot's mom fight scene was shorter/different than I remembered, etc.  I couldn't tell you how old my VHS tape is, except that I remember watching it from at least 1994, and I believe it might have a preview for LBT3 on it...
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Allicloud on April 16, 2011, 05:36:21 PM
Quote from: fenroyal,Apr 16 2011 on  04:20 PM
My VHS has "1 hr. 9 mins." listed for length, so 69 minutes vs. 64 minutes?  I am about to pop it in the VHS player and see, because I watched the DVD-cut version on Netflix and I did notice that the Sharptooth/Littlefoot's mom fight scene was shorter/different than I remembered, etc.  I couldn't tell you how old my VHS tape is, except that I remember watching it from at least 1994, and I believe it might have a preview for LBT3 on it...
Well, if it does turn out to hold the cut scenes, then get it converted as soon as you can, because VHS only gets worse with age. But from what I have seen around the net, the gearto do such a conversion is pretty simple, just an adapter that connects your VCR to a USB port, and the software can convert the footage to a video format. Plus, it's alot cheaper than I expected it to be. I saw an adapter kit that went for about $40.

But anywho, good luck!
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: fenroyal on April 16, 2011, 05:38:41 PM
Well, my copy of the VHS appears to run exactly the same as the Netflix DVD version, including only showing the fight with the Sharptooth in silhouette.  BUT.  I do distinctly remember seeing it differently as a child, and I very often watched the movie at my grandmother's house and she had a copy, so i think I will ask her if she still has my old movies, and see if that might be where I remember it from!
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Dilopho on April 18, 2011, 10:03:03 AM
I hope the quality of your grandma's tapes isn't too bad after such a number of years.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: jansenov on April 19, 2011, 09:59:08 AM
I'm confused. The TV program states two dates for the airing, 14th May and 21st May. :huh:

It doesn't change things one bit, though. Whenever it is on, I will record it.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Malte279 on April 19, 2011, 12:43:31 PM
Shows are often repeated once within short order on German TV channels.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: fenroyal on April 21, 2011, 06:48:15 PM
Quote from: Dilopho,Apr 18 2011 on  09:03 AM
I hope the quality of your grandma's tapes isn't too bad after such a number of years.
My own VHS was pretty much the same age and it wasn't atrocious quality, the only real problem was a bit of fuzziness watching it on our big LCD flat screen TV, and the colors seemed more vibrant on the Netflix DVD version.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: jansenov on April 21, 2011, 07:10:30 PM
Any news, fenroyal?
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Pikkutassu on April 26, 2011, 06:39:32 PM
Here's something that proves the fiddling with the ending:

(http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/9881/asddddsj.jpg)
(http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/7592/erfgert.jpg)
Not brilliant quality, but the cel obviously is from the original ending where they head straight to great valley together after they cherish petrie being alive - there is no mom's ghost and you can see petrie on littlefoot's head and cera/spike coming right behind him. In the released version it's just littlefoot alone with the ghost, clearly the early discovery of the great valley there.


(http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/9200/ascasc.jpg)
(http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/4540/asddddr.jpg)
And on the trailer, you'll see littlefoot running from farther away from the tunnel with petrie on his head, while in the released version it's cut further away to make it seem like littlefoot just sat there and called others. And of course the sudden change in background speaks when you watch the movie speaks for itself.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Allicloud on April 27, 2011, 12:11:41 PM
Quote from: Pikkutassu,Apr 26 2011 on  05:39 PM
Here's something that proves the fiddling with the ending:

(http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/9881/asddddsj.jpg)
(http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/7592/erfgert.jpg)
Not brilliant quality, but the cel obviously is from the original ending where they head straight to great valley together after they cherish petrie being alive - there is no mom's ghost and you can see petrie on littlefoot's head and cera/spike coming right behind him. In the released version it's just littlefoot alone with the ghost, clearly the early discovery of the great valley there.


(http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/9200/ascasc.jpg)
(http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/4540/asddddr.jpg)
And on the trailer, you'll see littlefoot running from farther away from the tunnel with petrie on his head, while in the released version it's cut further away to make it seem like littlefoot just sat there and called others. And of course the sudden change in background speaks when you watch the movie speaks for itself.
Yeah, I'd say that's where the editing stands out the most. Take from after Littlefoot calls for the others after he discovers the Great Valley. He calls them, we see them running through the tunnel, and then we get a brief bit of Littlefoot skidding to a stop and the others following him, and Petrie has suddenly appeared on his head.

My guess is that in the original, instead of simply calling the others to him, he physically ran back to them and led them to the Valley.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Almaron on April 28, 2011, 01:28:58 AM
He did far more than that, and there's plenty of evidence to prove it. Several screenshots/cels earlier on this page show Littlefoot gleefully leaving the tunnel, and leaping across the waterfall. In addition to this, the original soundtrack lists the events in the following order, or rather, lists the music for the following scenes in this order;

After the fight, Cera leaves Littlefoot, attempting to find her own way through the mountains. Ducky, Petrie and Spike follow her, as hers is the easier way, leaving Littlefoot to climb up the hill alone. As they travel through the dangerous lands, Spike stops, separating him and Ducky from the rest of the group.
Meanwhile, Littlefoot reaches the peak of the hill, and sees the ghost of his mother in the sky, which ultimately guides him through the hill to the Great Valley. He is overjoyed to have found it, but turns back to find the others.
By this point, Cera, with Petrie on her head, has made it to a ridge over a tar pit. Cera jumps, but Petrie falls in.

The rest of the film roughly follows this order, and I seem to recall Malte mentioning an older novelisation for LBT that lists this ending too, as well as a part where Littlefoot convinces the others to stop Sharptooth once and for all so that he doesn't follow them into the Great Valley. It's worth noting that on the soundtrack there is a segment of music around the scene where they make their plan that is missing from the film; perhaps it was for that scene.

There's also several hints to the original ordering - aside from a few odd jumps in the film, when Littlefoot talks to his mother's ghost shortly before discovering the Great Valley, you can see below him the pool that they bathed in shortly before finishing off Sharptooth. In addition to this, the very rock that they pushed onto Sharptooth's head, as well as the promontory it was on, can be seen over it; more clues towards the original ending.

BTW, there's one other missing scene on the soundtrack near the end - different music is played after Sharptooth (and seemingly Petrie) perishes. It stays fairly tragic, before becoming a soft instrumental of If We Hold On Together, and fading into the music that plays when they discover the Great Valley. This could suggest that there was another scene here - perhaps we actually saw Littlefoot leading the others up the hill and through the tunnel?

EDIT: Here's a link to another page on this forum, where I listed the running times of each of the soundtracks. This is an update to my old soundtrack analysis - this time I listed the times for each segement and identified the scenes they played in! It's at the bottom of the page, or at least it is at the moment.
Updated Soundtrack Listing (http://www.gangoffive.net/index.php?topic=6403)
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Malte279 on April 28, 2011, 03:41:01 AM
Indeed the early discovery of the Great Valley is one of the changed / outcut scenes for which there is most evidence in spite of the fact that it is also a change about which (unlike in case of "scary Sharptooth scenes") we got no word whatsoever from Don Bluth or anyone else involved with the land before time. The best guess is that they thought the passing was improved by putting the Great Valley as the big effect to the very end rather than let Littlefoot discover the Great Valley and then let the story continue anyway. While I do see the positive effect on the passing I'm afraid it also came with a number of drawbacks:

1. Littlefoot's turning back IN SPITE OF having found the Great Valley to lead his friends there would have been a very powerful emotional scene.
2. Without this scene the point that his way was the correct one while Cera went wrong is somewhat lost. In the movie as it is we basically see Littlefoot following Cera and the others after all and the only indication that Cera went wrong were the dangers of the route (which come to think of it matched well the describtion of the mother of Littlefoot (Littlefoot's way after all did not lead past any "mountains that burn")).
3. While it made good sense for Littlefoot to be despaired and downhearted after the quarrel with Cera it can come across a bit strange that in the movie as we know it he happens to be so hopeless right after succeeding in getting rid of sharptooth and the rescue of Petrie.

One thing that would have interested me in particular would be if in the early discovery of the Great Valley scene there would have been any exchange whatsoever between the "spirit" of Littlefoot's mother and him regarding his non-longneck friends, or if there would have been a monologue, or no spoken explanation at all for his turning back.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Pikkutassu on April 28, 2011, 07:31:54 AM
Quote from: Almaron,Apr 28 2011 on  12:28 AM
BTW, there's one other missing scene on the soundtrack near the end - different music is played after Sharptooth (and seemingly Petrie) perishes. It stays fairly tragic, before becoming a soft instrumental of If We Hold On Together, and fading into the music that plays when they discover the Great Valley. This could suggest that there was another scene here - perhaps we actually saw Littlefoot leading the others up the hill and through the tunnel?

 
That would be this scene, when they cherish petrie coming back from death:
(http://www.animationsensations.com/img/dinosaur2.jpg)

After that I have a memory image of them struggling to go up hill, then littlefoot jumps on those things sharptooth was climbing on and urges everyone to do the same.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Almaron on April 28, 2011, 05:14:15 PM
Hmm...I wonder if we should make a list of the scenes we know (or can guess at) to be missing - this page just keeps on getting longer and longer.

Evidence Key:
S - Soundtrack
N - Novelisation
P - Promotional Stills
D - Director/Producer/Film Worker Insights
V - Video Footage From Film Trailers

*A longer version of the fight between Sharptooth and Momma Longneck - at least nineteen seconds worth of additional fight music appears on the soundtrack, yet we know the scene to be longer. (S, D)
*Possibly an extension of the "Berry Scene" - the soundtrack goes on fairly intensely for nine seconds. (S)
*A scene where the others find Spike sleeping after eating the plants surrounding his egg. Cera attempts to convince them to abandon him, but they ignore her. Ducky then lures him along with berries on a stick. (S? N? P)
*A scene where the GOF encounters an oasis inhabited by two rivalling factions of Dinosaurs, who refuse to share their food or water with one another, out of racism. Cera acknowledges such prejudice to be foolish. (N)
*Possibly an extension of the GOF eating the Green Food obtained from the tree. (P, V)
*The original ending scene - Littlefoot finding the Great Valley, leaping through the waters of the waterfall, then turning back to rescue the others from the Mountains That Burn. (S, N? P, D?)
*An extension of the scene in the lake, where they plan to kill Sharptooth to prevent him wreaking havoc in the Great Valley. (S, N)
*A short scene where Ducky makes faces at Sharptooth from the lake. (P, V)
*A brief scene where the others realise Petrie has survived the fall with Sharptooth, before all heading up towards the Great Valley. (S? P)
*A short scene taking place after the characters hug one another, where Littlefoot states “Now we’ll always be together.” (V)

Have I missed any? I wrote this from memory, and from briefly looking over the images of deleted segments that I’ve tracked down (mostly the ones listed here).

BTW, for sake of ease, here's the links again to the two video clips that I know of -someone linked to them further up the page.
LBT Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLW_uymCcJs)
LBT Pizza Hutt Commercial (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-WRjyaol6E&feature=related)
Hmm…does the bit at 0:08 happen in the movie? If not, that may be part of Littlefoot leading the others up to the valley!
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Malte279 on April 28, 2011, 06:16:47 PM
One thing I am not absolutely certain about though is to what degree additional music on the soundtrack is a certain proof of additional scenes. I don't know if the writers of soundtracks like James Horner only start composing after seing the exact scenes the music is supposed to be for? Is it not possibly that in some cases scenes may have even been made after the music? Maybe he was told in some cases about what scenes contain and about how long the music would have to be. I am certain that there are plenty of cases in which Mr. Horner definitely must have seen the scenes the music was composed for, but I am not sure if this holds true in every case and if perhaps the soundtrack may not include snippets of music that were composed but not for a specific scene already produced.
I don't know, but does anyone know for certain how this music / movie scene production is usually handled / was handled in case of LBT? From the voice actors we know that movie scenes may be made to match earlier voice recordings rather than the other way round. May the same not apply for music as well?
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Apple on April 28, 2011, 06:26:05 PM
I think my version might have a different fight scene like fenroyal but I'm not sure. I will check after I convert it to DVD.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Almaron on April 29, 2011, 03:01:08 AM
Good point Malte - I've got another soundtrack by James Horner (Titanic), and all throughout the music are areas that have been cut from the final film, and I assume by looking at the script, listening to the film & watching the cut parts that they probably weren't ever in the film. Perhaps they just let him compose, and then cut the parts that didn't quite go with the scenes.

If we update the list with more scenes, I'll move the "Possible Scenes" suggested by the music to another area.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Pikkutassu on April 29, 2011, 07:20:01 AM
Quote from: Almaron,Apr 28 2011 on  04:14 PM
Hmm...I wonder if we should make a list of the scenes we know (or can guess at) to be missing - this page just keeps on getting longer and longer.

Evidence Key:
S - Soundtrack
N - Novelisation
P - Promotional Stills
D - Director/Producer/Film Worker Insights
V - Video Footage From Film Trailers

*A longer version of the fight between Sharptooth and Momma Longneck - at least nineteen seconds worth of additional fight music appears on the soundtrack, yet we know the scene to be longer. (S, D)
*Possibly an extension of the "Berry Scene" - the soundtrack goes on fairly intensely for nine seconds. (S)
*A scene where the others find Spike sleeping after eating the plants surrounding his egg. Cera attempts to convince them to abandon him, but they ignore her. Ducky then lures him along with berries on a stick. (S? N? P)
*A scene where the GOF encounters an oasis inhabited by two rivalling factions of Dinosaurs, who refuse to share their food or water with one another, out of racism. Cera acknowledges such prejudice to be foolish. (N)
*Possibly an extension of the GOF eating the Green Food obtained from the tree. (P, V)
*The original ending scene - Littlefoot finding the Great Valley, leaping through the waters of the waterfall, then turning back to rescue the others from the Mountains That Burn. (S, N? P, D?)
*An extension of the scene in the lake, where they plan to kill Sharptooth to prevent him wreaking havoc in the Great Valley. (S, N)
*A short scene where Ducky makes faces at Sharptooth from the lake. (P, V)
*A brief scene where the others realise Petrie has survived the fall with Sharptooth, before all heading up towards the Great Valley. (S? P)
*A short scene taking place after the characters hug one another, where Littlefoot states “Now we’ll always be together.” (V)

Have I missed any? I wrote this from memory, and from briefly looking over the images of deleted segments that I’ve tracked down (mostly the ones listed here).

BTW, for sake of ease, here's the links again to the two video clips that I know of -someone linked to them further up the page.
LBT Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLW_uymCcJs)
LBT Pizza Hutt Commercial (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-WRjyaol6E&feature=related)
Hmm…does the bit at 0:08 happen in the movie? If not, that may be part of Littlefoot leading the others up to the valley!
There should also be a scene showing cera leaving the others before it jumps to the lake scene. It cuts just as they are going down that slope to her.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Dilopho on May 02, 2011, 12:23:57 PM
I wonder that there was never a statement about the uncut movie from Bluth or another person which was involved in the creation. Sometimes it seems to me that they would like to erase it from memory.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Allicloud on May 02, 2011, 02:12:28 PM
Quote from: Dilopho,May 2 2011 on  11:23 AM
I wonder that there was never a statement about the uncut movie from Bluth or another person which was involved in the creation. Sometimes it seems to me that they would like to erase it from memory.
Well, Don Bluth is probably the easiest person to contact among the major people who worked on the film, and it's quite well known that he doesn't like to talk about the movie much. I think it was something to do wth the executive meddling, and cut scenes are a big issue of this (he was up against Lucas AND Spielberg on the subject of the cut scenes).
In fact, I think the only time I know of Bluth to talk about the film in recent times is in his drawing tutorials, where he gives a tutorial on how to draw Cera.

But Lucas is actually quoted as saying that the scenes were "too scary. We'll have kids crying in the lobby, and a lot of angry parents. You don't want that".

Honestly, that just makes me want to see it all the more! Either they vastly overestimated the sensitivity and weakness of the viewers, or these scenes must have been amazingly violent.



Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Caodao2 on May 10, 2011, 02:55:05 AM
Much as curiosity killed the cat, I still can't help but ask, has anyone heard if there is a version of the film with those removed scenes?
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: jansenov on May 10, 2011, 06:49:34 AM
Some people saw it, but as far as I know nobody has a copy of it yet (well, there was one VHS copy owned by a GOF member, but it was the will of the Fates that it was erased :boohoo). There is no official uncut version. It seems that some TV stations received the uncut version purely by accident. And here we are, trying to record airings of LBT from those stations. Or to hunt down recordings  of previous airings from those stations.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Caodao2 on May 10, 2011, 09:03:58 PM
Any luck so far?
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Pikkutassu on May 11, 2011, 05:45:54 AM
Quote from: Caodao2,May 10 2011 on  08:03 PM
Any luck so far?
there's an airing next Tuesday(?) everyones looking forward to, but don't hold your breath.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: jansenov on May 11, 2011, 06:21:04 AM
The airing will be in 10 days, Saturday evening.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Caodao2 on May 12, 2011, 12:11:10 AM
Quote from: jansenov,May 11 2011 on  05:21 AM
The airing will be in 10 days, Saturday evening.
In what country? Is this the version with the outcut scenes?
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Dilopho on May 12, 2011, 03:36:20 AM
I don't think that it will be an uncut version. The program preview states the running time with 66 minutes and that is the length of the cut version.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Blaze on May 17, 2011, 03:25:37 PM
Is that on Super RTL TV in Germany? been trying to see if i can watch this channel on the internet but i'm having some trouble there. does anybody have a link to somewhere i can watch online (if such a thing is possible)? :lol
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Crasnex on May 21, 2011, 06:59:53 AM
Has anybody been able to find a way to watch a live stream of this television station? I was using google for some time and came up with nothing. It would be inconvenient if we all let this chance past us by.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: jansenov on May 21, 2011, 07:13:38 AM
We won't, don't you worry.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Crasnex on May 21, 2011, 07:57:05 AM
Ok, I hope so. If anyone can tell me how they are watching it, it will be appreciated. It will be a win for the ages if it turns out to be the uncut version, I doubt it though.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Blaze on May 21, 2011, 02:03:48 PM
hey what do you guys make of this?

http://www.tvmovie.de/Trailer.92.0.html?&d...844&arrange=321 (http://www.tvmovie.de/Trailer.92.0.html?&detail=17032844&arrange=321)

stumbled across this while trying to find a way of watching it online. the running time confused me (yeah it's taking into account adverts and such but still) and the pictures were interesting.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Adder on May 21, 2011, 02:27:08 PM
If that's including advertisments, then its going to be 90 minutes. Its probably a normal showing of the cut version, 69 minutes is the movie, 21 is advertisments.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Allicloud on May 21, 2011, 02:39:18 PM
Quote from: Adder,May 21 2011 on  01:27 PM
If that's including advertisments, then its going to be 90 minutes. Its probably a normal showing of the cut version, 69 minutes is the movie, 21 is advertisments.
I dunno, among that gallery, there was definitely at least 1 screenshot from a scene I do not remember.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: BigMouth on May 21, 2011, 02:39:27 PM
It would be amazing if it turns out to be the uncut version, but I believe that the uncut version is lost in time.  Either way LBT will still remain as an incredible film!
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: jansenov on May 21, 2011, 03:56:16 PM
This was not the uncut version. It is not the same movie I saw on the same channel in 2002. This was the DVD version we all are so familiar with. I will try to contact someone on Super RTL to ask of the whereabouts of the old tape, as I still have faith in my memory. But this was a shot that missed, like so many before. Only thing I have now is the cut version in German.

I'm so sorry. I feel I failed you.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Xzanthus on May 21, 2011, 04:02:00 PM
This makes me very sad :( I actually JUST started looking for info on the uncut version this morning. Something that I hadn't really heard of before until I looked it up. I was so excited when I saw this thread. :( I would give anything to see that version.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: BigMouth on May 21, 2011, 04:51:58 PM
So the uncut version still remains lost.  I was expecting that to be the cut version anyway.  At least the cut version is still a good movie  :D
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Malte279 on May 21, 2011, 05:49:23 PM
I think (but may be mistaken (and I'm not at my own place so I can't check out at the moment)) that the cut image posted above had been among those included in a file issued to the press back at the time when the movie was released. Hence it is possible for pictures of deleted scenes (there was more than one image from deleted scenes issued to the public for advertisment purposes) to pop up in announcements time and again even if what is announced does not include any cut materials.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: jansenov on May 21, 2011, 09:24:04 PM
That scene is definitely from the press release, but it is flipped (reversed). I willl now look at the web archive for an announcement of LBT in 2002. I will edit this post if I find something.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Crasnex on May 21, 2011, 10:37:18 PM
Ah well. Can't say I'm surprised that they aired the DVD version. Atleast this rumour is known to be false now. I'm disappointed though, I admit to had dreamed about you saying you found it WAS the uncut version just before I woke up today XD.

Back to the drawing board, or atleast finding board
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Sovereign on May 22, 2011, 03:25:14 AM
So what options do we have left of ever seeing the uncut version?
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: jansenov on May 22, 2011, 05:07:54 AM
Don't expect anything. I will continue my little private search and research, but I do not want to spread any rumours or give false hope. Just forget about the lost scenes. If I find something, I will be sure to put it on. If not, you will never hear about it. I'm not saying this because I'm selfish (like, picking the glory for finding the scenes), but because I'm not sure how much people trust me now (though I did post a disclaimer) and I don't want to involve other people in a potentially fruitless toil. Still, if anybody wants to help or stumbles upon some interesting info, please let me know. All my bets are on the 2002 airing now. I will thoroughly research everything concerning that airing, and if nothing comes out of that, I will cease my search for the missing scenes, as all my experience is limited to that particular September evening.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Crasnex on May 22, 2011, 05:44:37 AM
I will continue to trust you and If anything I am greatful for you spending your time trying to find this version. I think after this experience, I am now starting to really hate Steven Spielberg and George Lucas XD.

Personally, I am much rather interested in the scenes themselves, rather than the glory. I'm sure you feel the same
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: jansenov on May 22, 2011, 06:01:51 AM
Thank you.:) I'm pretty sure Spielberg and Lucas didn't enjoy censoring a work of art either. The thing is, all of us have our hands tied, all of us have obligations to the people around us (especially to our bosses ;)). Maybe Mr. Spielberg and Mr. Lucas didn't have much of a choice either. So don't hate them for that. Even Mr. Bluth doesn't hate them, at least not in public.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Crasnex on May 22, 2011, 06:29:18 AM
I guess you're right. But I wouldn't of minded as much if the original version was released later on as an extra on DVD or something. But instead it's pretty much lost forever. Maybe the series wouldn't have been as successful if it was PG and probably many of us wouldnt have seen it. I am still very disappointed. I'll get over it though, I still love the cut version :D
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Allicloud on May 22, 2011, 08:47:49 AM
Quote from: jansenov,May 22 2011 on  05:01 AM
Thank you.:) I'm pretty sure Spielberg and Lucas didn't enjoy censoring a work of art either. The thing is, all of us have our hands tied, all of us have obligations to the people around us (especially to our bosses ;)). Maybe Mr. Spielberg and Mr. Lucas didn't have much of a choice either. So don't hate them for that. Even Mr. Bluth doesn't hate them, at least not in public.
Yeah, true enough. I mean, if they did not care about the cut scenes, I doubt they would have hired those child psychologists to analyse the footage to determine which bits they would have to cut. They would have just cut the bits they wanted without consultation.
It's just that Bluth is the one who fought most for the footage.

But to be honest, it's not like the cut scenes detract from the final cut of the film. It's still a beautiful, intense and awesome movie. It's just that the cut scenes and the original sequence of events may have made it even better.

But yes, given the implications of what was in those scenes, it seemed that they were cutting the bare minimum that they would have to cut to get a G rating. LIke Crasnex said, if it was a PG, it might not have been so popular.
 I know that if that wsa the case, I probably never would have seen it when I did (When I was about 6 in school along with the first 5 sequels, as part of some bizarre dinosaur-themed month)

But then again, the people who rate Bluth's movies do seem to let alot slide. Even though there was serious violence, audible swearing and visible blood in Secret of NIMH, it's somehow still a G!
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Malte279 on May 22, 2011, 02:19:51 PM
Perhaps it is a good thing these scenes have been cut. Not for the sake of the movie but because it has given us sort of a "holy grail" the strive for which (along with the ocasional findings of images or clips from cut scenes) may in fact be more important and more rewarding to us LBT fans than an ultimate finding of all these materials would turn out to be.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: BigMouth on May 22, 2011, 02:27:48 PM
Well put Malte.  I don't really care if I ever see the cut scenes or not, the feeling of nostalgia I get watching it the way it was shown to me as a child is enough for me.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Crasnex on May 23, 2011, 02:44:59 AM
Quote from: BigMouth,May 22 2011 on  01:27 PM
Well put Malte.  I don't really care if I ever see the cut scenes or not, the feeling of nostalgia I get watching it the way it was shown to me as a child is enough for me.
Well thats true. If I were to watch the uncut version it would simply be bacause I wanted to see what Bluth was trying to do, not for nostalgic reasons. I would immagine that if people did find the uncut version and were watching it that it would make Bluth a happy man, and thats another reason why I would like to see it.

I'm not going to lose too much sleep over it and the cut movie is the movie that gives me a nostalgia kick
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Pikkutassu on May 23, 2011, 05:57:56 AM
Quote from: BigMouth,May 22 2011 on  01:27 PM
Well put Malte.  I don't really care if I ever see the cut scenes or not, the feeling of nostalgia I get watching it the way it was shown to me as a child is enough for me.
Well yeah you at least have that. I just want to see it again the way I used to see it as a child, but that might just never happen.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Crasnex on May 23, 2011, 11:30:08 AM
Quote from: Pikkutassu,May 23 2011 on  04:57 AM
Quote from: BigMouth,May 22 2011 on  01:27 PM
Well put Malte.  I don't really care if I ever see the cut scenes or not, the feeling of nostalgia I get watching it the way it was shown to me as a child is enough for me.
Well yeah you at least have that. I just want to see it again the way I used to see it as a child, but that might just never happen.
So I assume you saw the uncut version?
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: jansenov on May 24, 2011, 04:24:12 AM
It's both a curse and a blessing that the first time Pikkutassu and I saw the original movie it was a different version than other people saw. True, it is highly unlikely that we are the only people who saw it (the main objection to the existence of an uncut version says: "If it was indeed aired years ago, it should have been available on the Internet by now"), but if you try to think about it in terms of statistics it is also rather unlikely that a child who saw that movie will be interested in it for years on, even less likely that he/she matures will go to the Internet to speak about it, and even less likely that he/she will run into an LBT community (especially if he/she doesn't speak English well!). Remember, out of millions of people who saw LBT less than 0.1% choose to join an LBT commnuity, and much less choose to be active members.

So, it is a miracle even the two of us appeared on the GOF. And each time either of us sees the movie we can't help but notice the things that are missing.

I can't speak for Pikkutassu on this, but it doesn't make me enjoy the movie any less though. OK, maybe a little bit.
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Post by: BigMouth on May 26, 2011, 08:44:42 PM
It's very true that the others who did see it lost interest in it by now.  I did for 14 years...  I wouldn't be surprised if almost no one recorded it, personally I recorded very few things on tv and those things I did weren't movies.  I owned all the movie I wanted to see.
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Post by: Dilopho on May 30, 2011, 01:37:53 AM
Is there a response from the Finnish TV station with the uncut movie?
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Post by: Pikkutassu on May 30, 2011, 09:49:28 AM
Quote from: Dilopho,May 30 2011 on  12:37 AM
Is there a response from the Finnish TV station with the uncut movie?
As of september 2010 they didn't have the rights... I sent another email, let's see if they'll respond.
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Post by: Zenoah on June 14, 2011, 01:49:28 AM
I saw that someone was looking for the VHS copy for something?
I have a copy if you guys are looking for something spaciffic?
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Post by: Petrie85 on June 14, 2011, 09:16:08 PM
Yeah the members here are trying to find a uncut version of The Land Before Time Movie. I will search myself if I can find it.
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Post by: Zenoah on June 16, 2011, 01:04:29 AM
Ohhhh okay.
Is there a certain sceen? I kinda looked back but did'nt really see what it was.
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Post by: Dilopho on June 16, 2011, 03:35:48 AM
Quote from: Zenoah,Jun 16 2011 on  12:04 AM
Ohhhh okay.
Is there a certain sceen? I kinda looked back but did'nt really see what it was.

What is the playtime of your movie?

And on the first page here there are some pictures. You can check if your copy contains something of it.
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Post by: Petrie85 on June 16, 2011, 08:44:47 AM
I've had no luck but I will continue my search to find it soon. They took out some dark parts of the movie. I forget what parts they took out.
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Post by: Zenoah on June 17, 2011, 11:27:18 PM
A lot of it had to do with the Sharptooth really...the big wigs said it would be too dark for kids...
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Post by: Petrie85 on June 18, 2011, 08:26:24 AM
Oh yeah back than it was very dark. In today's time that isn't dark for kids.
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Post by: Zenoah on June 19, 2011, 12:56:31 AM
A lot of Bluth's stuff was dark even with the stuff that was kept in.
I hear a lot of stuff was cut out of All Dogs and that movie was pretty dark too.

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Post by: Petrie85 on June 19, 2011, 09:43:38 AM
Yeah Bluth is known for his dark animated movies. Secret Of Nihm was very dark for a kids movie. And everything thing was kept in. From blood to a couple of swears And so on.
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Post by: Justin1993 on June 20, 2011, 05:33:14 AM
I don't know if this has been mentioned before or linked to but if you go on YouTube and type Pictures from The Land Before Time and find the one by LBTUploader you will find pictures from the Collector's Edition LaserDisc version of the film. I took note of some scenes not in the DVD or newer copies of the VHS.
00:29: Pic of Cera's sisters. Not sure what the scene was about.
01:47: A pic of the Sharptooth that I did not see in the DVD. (do not have my 1988 VHS version :(.....)
02:28: I didn't see this scene in the DVD version either. I wouldn't begin to know what this scene was.
4:39-4:45: The Spike Scene where Ducky wants Spike to join the herd. The second still is of Ducky with the berries.
4:49: Explains to me how they manage to get to the hole showing the circle of trees in the cave. The extended climb down the cave scene.
5:33: I've seen this still on this thread once before. Not on DVD.
5:50: A closeup scene of the gang sleeping in the Sharptooth footprint. Not on the DVD.
6:23: When the gang slides down the hill, there is an extended scene.
9:18: I've seen this still on this thread, also. It is the scene from the original where Littlefoot finds the Great Vally before rescuing his friends and defeating Sharptooth. Although the pic that follows is of the ending we all know now.
 I thought this was interesting. I've seen people on Ebay selling the Collector's Edition of this. If anyone was willing to pay for a player and the disc. A cheap player can be found on Amazon. And you can just search for the disc on Ebay. I would love to see these scenes. I wonder if the Mother vs. Sharptooth scenes (extended) are on there, too.
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Post by: jansenov on June 20, 2011, 06:07:24 AM
^We've seen those stills. Pokeplayer984 (he is LBTUploader, but don't spread the message on Youtube!) posted them somewhere on this forum. As far as I know there were no additional scenes of the fight, but there were a bunch scenes of Petrie's escape from the Sharptooth.
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Post by: Dilopho on June 20, 2011, 09:25:17 AM
Yes he is the lucky one that owns the disc and a player to watch it.

And I think that is the thread you mean: click (http://www.gangoffive.net/index.php?topic=8011.0)






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Post by: Justin1993 on June 20, 2011, 03:49:35 PM
Wow small world.
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Post by: Mumbling on June 20, 2011, 03:56:58 PM
Quote from: Justin1993,Jun 20 2011 on  09:49 PM
Wow small world.
Really is when it comes to fanbases like the one from the land before time :)
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Post by: Almaron on June 20, 2011, 05:08:13 PM
So wait, run that by me again. Is the Laserdisc edition the closest thing to an "uncut" version? If so, it shouldn't be too hard to restore those lost scenes - somebody send one to Universal or Don Bluth and get them to rerelease it!
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Post by: Petrie85 on June 20, 2011, 05:09:01 PM
So did someone find the uncut movie yet?
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Post by: Justin1993 on June 20, 2011, 05:09:17 PM
I wish I had found this site 2 years ago. I had a VHS copy of this movie, really old. And I know for certain that it had a more graphic fight sequence. I watched it 2 years ago so the memory is still fresh. Sady, I HAD the VHS copy. Not anymore. I know for sure it was more graphic cuz my new DVD version, the scene seemed just a tad bit shorter and I wondered why. Then I found out that some editing had been to done to the original film and the theatrical cut of it.
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Post by: Petrie85 on June 20, 2011, 05:17:00 PM
Ah awesome I hoped that you still had the movie Justin. I would have love to see the uncut version of it.  I need to get looking for it. And it took a lot of dark parts out. Witch they shouldn't have.
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Post by: Justin1993 on June 20, 2011, 05:23:42 PM
When I was a kid, a cartoon was a cartoon. No matter how dark it was. I enjoyed them all. I didn't cry  when Littlefoot's mother died, nor did I even worry about anything being "racist." And the Sharptooth was my favorite of all of the dinosaurs. Not scary at all. That's my opinion. I would love to see the 19 cut clips. But Universal had to destroy them. For storage space. I mean it's not like they had any other choice. I mean they just absolutely couldn't EXPAND their storage. Or at least destroy something that was of less value and not exactly liked.
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Post by: jansenov on June 20, 2011, 07:23:05 PM
If the uncut version exists, it will re-surface sometime. Movies have been lost for 50 years, and then found by accident. I wouldn't hold my breath, tough. Many movies are lost forever.
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Post by: Dilopho on June 21, 2011, 02:06:11 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if Bluth or one of the former artists still own a private copy of the pre-Spielberg/Lucas version.
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Post by: Justin1993 on June 21, 2011, 02:57:02 AM
I have a question. Bill Erwin is credited as voicing Grandpa on the 1st film. Yet in the short time Grandpa was in the film, I did not hear him speak. He laughed, but any actor with a speaking role could have done that. Is it possible that he spoke in a scene that also didn't make it into the movie yet was still credited?
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Post by: Coyote_A on June 21, 2011, 03:38:35 AM
Didn't Grandpa called Littlefoot by his name, when the gang arrived to the Great Valley?
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Post by: Justin1993 on June 21, 2011, 03:46:02 AM
Quote from: Coyote_A,Jun 21 2011 on  02:38 AM
Didn't Grandpa called Littlefoot by his name, when the gang arrived to the Great Valley?
No.
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Post by: Petrie85 on June 21, 2011, 07:58:48 AM
I hope that the movie isn't gone forever. I would like to see what parts where cut. Hopefully it will resurface.
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Post by: DarkHououmon on June 21, 2011, 08:55:40 AM
Quote from: Justin1993,Jun 21 2011 on  01:57 AM
I have a question. Bill Erwin is credited as voicing Grandpa on the 1st film. Yet in the short time Grandpa was in the film, I did not hear him speak. He laughed, but any actor with a speaking role could have done that. Is it possible that he spoke in a scene that also didn't make it into the movie yet was still credited?
Could be possible. It might be that his grandparents were supposed to have a more active role in the movie, but was scrapped for some reason.
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Post by: Zenoah on June 22, 2011, 02:16:32 AM
That's interesting.
I dont think I recall the grandparent saying anything other than just chuckling.
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Post by: Apple on June 30, 2011, 01:35:01 AM
I know it probably wont work, but I'm going to buy as many VHS's as I can of the original movie, and see if I can find the uncut one.
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Post by: Dilopho on June 30, 2011, 03:04:47 AM
I think if there are uncut VHS copies then it can be only the very first releases from the end of the 80s. I own a copy from the beginning of the 90s and it is the full cut version.
But what puzzles me in that case is that pokeplayers laserdisc is also full cut and if I am right it was released at the same time as the first VHS copies.
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Post by: Justin1993 on June 30, 2011, 05:45:08 AM
Quote from: Dilopho,Jun 30 2011 on  02:04 AM
But what puzzles me in that case is that pokeplayers laserdisc is also full cut and if I am right it was released at the same time as the first VHS copies.
pokeplayer has the Collector's Edition of the laserdisc. Released 1997.
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Post by: Dilopho on June 30, 2011, 05:52:10 AM
Are you sure? The cover in his thread about the disc looks like the old one from end of the 80s.
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Post by: Justin1993 on June 30, 2011, 06:08:03 AM
If it had been an original 1989 release it would have had the cover art with the gang on the log and the sharptooth in the background. The Collector's Edition laserdisc was the only release (that i've seen) with baby Littlefoot on the cover.

Examples:
(http://lbtcollection.weebly.com/uploads/4/5/9/5/4595663/9867809_orig.jpg)
Collector's Edition cover

(http://www.moviegoods.com/Assets/product_images/1020/189754.1020.A.jpg)
Original 1989 Poster
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Post by: Dilopho on June 30, 2011, 06:37:42 AM
Ok, then it makes sense that it includes the cut version.
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Post by: Petrie85 on June 30, 2011, 07:38:32 AM
I wish there was a site or some kind to buy the uncut version of this movie. And I don't care if it's in Finnish. Does that in clue the uncut version?
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Post by: Apple on June 30, 2011, 06:11:35 PM
I just checked and my copy is from 1989. Sadly, it's the cut version.  :(
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Post by: Petrie85 on June 30, 2011, 09:52:57 PM
Aw the movie did come out in 1988. So I'm sure it's out there.
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Post by: Dilopho on July 01, 2011, 02:05:40 AM
Quote from: Apple,Jun 30 2011 on  05:11 PM
I just checked and my copy is from 1989. Sadly, it's the cut version.  :(
Is this a normal VHS release or the version you could get at Pizza Hut? In my opinion the only chance for an uncut VHS is, if the production was before the official theatrical screening, like the few books that contain the uncut story f.e. the Illustrated Story.
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Post by: Apple on July 01, 2011, 05:22:07 AM
I think it's the regular VHS release, I never knew you could get it at pizza hut.
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Post by: Justin1993 on July 01, 2011, 06:07:44 AM
Quote from: Apple,Jun 30 2011 on  05:11 PM
I just checked and my copy is from 1989. Sadly, it's the cut version.  :(
If your VHS is in fact a 1989 production copy, can you check to see if the Mother vs Sharptooth scene is edited? Further editing was done after the movie's release on that scene and I was wondering if it contains the clip where we see the Sharptooth bite the mother. Nowadays, home releases only show the attack in shadow.
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Post by: Petrie85 on July 01, 2011, 08:41:51 AM
If it does than you have the full uncut version of the movie witch is great.
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Post by: Justin1993 on July 01, 2011, 11:12:14 AM
Quote from: Petrie85,Jul 1 2011 on  07:41 AM
If it does than you have the full uncut version of the movie witch is great.
Actually, no it would just be the version before the 90's re-release. Prior to its original release, more editing to the film was done to this specific scene in order to make it more child-friendly like its sequels.
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Post by: Petrie85 on July 01, 2011, 05:42:41 PM
God they destroyed the whole series by making them child friendly. These where dark times. They should have been darker.
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Post by: Apple on July 04, 2011, 12:20:46 AM
I'll check the scene as soon as I can, but I do remember the attack only in shadow. I really hope it is the un-edited version though.
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Post by: Petrie85 on July 04, 2011, 08:18:10 AM
We all do. If it is you're one of the only members that has it.
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Post by: Justin1993 on July 15, 2011, 11:11:02 PM
I read a review about the movie and the 1988 release was 73 minutes long. The newer releases are 69 minutes. That means at least 4 more minutes of footage was cut from the film prior to its theatrical release.  :o
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Post by: Petrie85 on July 15, 2011, 11:57:01 PM
Yep because those four minute's where parts that where banned from the movie.
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Post by: Pikkutassu on July 17, 2011, 07:46:54 AM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/style...dbeforetime.htm (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/style/longterm/movies/videos/landbeforetime.htm)

This review from November 1988 claims it's "only 80 minutes long".
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Post by: Justin1993 on July 17, 2011, 05:42:19 PM
And all the reviews are from November 18, 1988, the release date.  :huh:
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Post by: Apple on July 23, 2011, 03:13:05 AM
I was finally able to check my tape. Sadly, the fight scene was no different than the later release.  :(
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Post by: Dilopho on July 23, 2011, 04:36:48 AM
Did you also look for the scene where they lure Spike with berries or if Littlefoot finds the GV before the fight with Sharptooth?
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Post by: Justin1993 on July 23, 2011, 04:47:22 AM
^ Those definitely won't be in there. They were the part of the scenes cut before theatrical release. I'm on the hunt for a VHS that includes certain scenes cut by Universal. Such as the Shaprtooth fight scene where Littlefoot's mother is bit and it's actually shown.
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Post by: Petrie85 on July 23, 2011, 08:20:32 AM
I've noticed that. I saw the cut version recently and I saw where most of those parts where cut. I looked at Pikk's post supposedly it was longer then 73 minutes. So more was cut from the movie. This is gonna be unsolved.
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Post by: Dilopho on July 23, 2011, 09:03:35 AM
Quote from: Justin1993,Jul 23 2011 on  03:47 AM
^ Those definitely won't be in there. They were the part of the scenes cut before theatrical release. I'm on the hunt for a VHS that includes certain scenes cut by Universal. Such as the Shaprtooth fight scene where Littlefoot's mother is bit and it's actually shown.
Cuts by Universal?
The fight scenes were the first scenes which were cut before release.

And to be honest if even the first VHS tapes are cut then I don't think that something uncut was released. The only thing that we can hope for is some kind of press release, because such a version could be the reason for the runtime difference in the previews.
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Post by: Justin1993 on July 23, 2011, 09:09:31 AM
^ On VHS releases before the 90's re-release, the fight scene did show when Sharptooth bit Littlefoot's mother.
Quote
brief portions of the scene which involved the mother's neck and back being bitten have since been edited out of home video releases and television airings
And even after that, Universal did more editing to bring it to a tone closer to the sequels. If you want to see my theory on how the scene may have gone originally, you can find it here (http://gangoffive.net/index.php?showtopic=9946).
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Post by: Dilopho on July 23, 2011, 09:18:53 AM
But Apple said that his version is from 1989 and it seems to be full cut and the same version that we know.
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Post by: Justin1993 on July 23, 2011, 09:40:31 AM
Ah, but I've noticed something about the dates printed on VHS and DVD cases. So, of course you have the original release date usually printed somewhere on the case. But, there is also a copyright date. This would be the date when the DVD or VHS was manufactured. Especially on old movies that get re-releases. For example
(http://oi53.tinypic.com/2nitz0h.jpg)
If Apple has the case his tape comes with, he could tell us if it has the copyright date.
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Post by: Petrie85 on July 23, 2011, 05:15:24 PM
But we need to know how much was cut. Over eleven minutes where cut from the movie.
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Post by: Apple on July 23, 2011, 08:29:02 PM
On the back of the case at the very bottom it says this: © 1989 MCA Home Video, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Printed in USA.
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Post by: Petrie85 on July 23, 2011, 09:28:51 PM
Ah okay what does that suppose to mean?
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Post by: Apple on July 23, 2011, 10:36:57 PM
I think it means that the copyright is 1989.
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Post by: Petrie85 on July 23, 2011, 11:30:10 PM
Ah okay. Or many it was released on VHS in 1989. Or Universal owned rights to it that time.
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Post by: Justin1993 on July 24, 2011, 03:30:06 AM
That is strange. And what's even more strange is that, contrary to what it says on my DVD case, my DVD movie is only 1hr 8min and 47sec long.  :huh:
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Post by: Petrie85 on July 24, 2011, 11:42:14 AM
Very strange. And the movie was originally one hour and twenty minutes long.
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Post by: Dilopho on July 24, 2011, 12:10:34 PM
What is strange here?
The cut movie is 69 minutes long at that is what you can read on old VHS shells.
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Post by: Justin1993 on July 24, 2011, 03:38:30 PM
This is getting rather more and more difficult to explain. I ordered a copy of the movie that is supposedly a 1989 copy. That's what the seller said. I'm hoping that the statement is true and if so, that it will shed more light on the situation.
Edit: I just re-read your post Dilopho. If by shell you mean a clamshell case, that would be a later release. The original '89 release came in the cardboard cover. I remember as a child my grandparents had the tape with the cardboard cover. I'm in the business of trying to see if she can find it somewhere. If she kept it. It was a long time ago.
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Post by: Petrie85 on July 24, 2011, 07:04:27 PM
I understand what is going on. Rumors have it that the full movie is eighty minutes long. And Justin stated a few posts ago that it was seventy three minutes long. And the member that said the full movie is eighty minutes long is Pikk.
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Post by: Almaron on July 25, 2011, 01:24:00 AM
Quick note from me: I did a quick collate of the various Deleted Scene stills that are peppered throughout this thread, so that we don't have to trawl through the archives to see or reference them.

Quick Collate (http://amcalmaron.deviantart.com/art/LBT-Deleted-Scene-Images-244488975)
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Post by: Dilopho on July 25, 2011, 02:55:47 AM
Quote from: Justin1993,Jul 24 2011 on  02:38 PM
Edit: I just re-read your post Dilopho. If by shell you mean a clamshell case, that would be a later release. The original '89 release came in the cardboard cover.

I mean all these kinds.



@Almaron

You forgot this scene:

(http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/2610/scene1l.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/29/scene1l.jpg/)
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Post by: Justin1993 on July 25, 2011, 07:54:23 AM
^ That scene doesn't look right. According to it, Cera and Littlefoot ran back up the slope they slid down when following the frog. Which, to me, actually makes more sense then the thorns, if you go back and look at the scene. The thorns just randomly appear and the slope disappears. Basically, the whole surrounding changes.
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Post by: Petrie85 on July 25, 2011, 08:05:18 AM
Okay I saw all the pictures in your denviart. And ah thanks for doing that. Makes it very easy for us now. Yeah I have noticed that. IT's a accident than. Or a error in there part.
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Post by: Justin1993 on July 25, 2011, 08:35:17 AM
I don't think the scene was an accident. Maybe a part that was reworked.
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Post by: Dilopho on July 25, 2011, 09:29:35 AM
For me the scene makes sense. Sharptooth comes from the left, also in the cut version, and they try to escape the path on the right side to reach Littlefoot's mother. And because they are not able to climb the hill they then took the other way through the thorns.

This scene is from the Search for the GV book, were you can also find some of the other pictures.


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Post by: Justin1993 on July 25, 2011, 09:37:59 AM
Ah. That makes more sense.
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Post by: Apple on July 25, 2011, 07:31:11 PM
These are all of the cut scenes I could find. I know many of them have been covered before, but I really wanted to make a list of them.

Beggining Longnecks Scene-
One still from the Collectors Edition Laserdisk and another frame show that the scene with the Longnecks at the start of the movie was slightly longer, or at least edited.

Littlefoot Hatching Scene-
One still from the Collectors Edition Laserdisk shows that when Littlefoot hatched and looked at the viewers, the background was slightly different, Littlefoot was farther to the left, it was slightly brighter, more zoomed out, and plants with water dripping off them could be seen behind Littlefoot.

Baby Littlefoot and Cera Scene-
Nothing really known about this scene, except for one frame on an uncolored background, where Cera and Littlefoot are looking at something. They look quite a bit younger than they did in the film. It could be a fake.

Grandpa Longneck Getting Branch Scene-
One still from the Collectors Edition Laserdisk shows that when the screen transitioned to Littlefoot being older, Grandpa Longneck is seen grabbing a branch from a tree, whereas in the cut version he is seen holding it already when the screen transitions.

Cera and Sisters Playing Scene-
One still from the Collectors Edition Laserdisk shows Cera's three sisters playing while one of her parents looks on. Cera is shown running back to her parent and her sisters are shown laughing. Possibly an extended part of Littlefoot meeting Cera, or Cera's birth.

Sharptooth Water Splash Scene-
On an old commercial for the movie, it shows a scene where Littlefoot and Cera are pushed onto Sharptooth's foot by a wave of muddy water. It is supposedly a cut part of the thorn chase scene.

Sharptooth Thorn Chase Scene-
There was most likely a extended chase scene with the thorns and Sharptooth, where he trys to bite Littlefoot and Cera while they ran through the thing they were playing near in the water. A still of it can be seen on the Laserdisk and the book shown above.

Sharptooth Looking For Kids Scene-
One still from the Collectors Edition Laserdisk shows that when Sharptooth first loses Littlefoot and Cera, he can be seen moving his head towards the thorns slightly longer than in the cut version. His eye also slightly opens in this scene.

Sharptooth Falling Scene-
One still from the Collectors Edition Laserdisk shows that when Sharptooth is falling and trying to bite Littlefoot and Cera his whole face is shown, whereas in the cut version only about half of his snout is showing.

Littlefoot Running To Mother Scene-
Two stills from the Collectors Edition Laserdisk shows Littlefoot running to his mother. This is the same as in the cut version except the rain is much more visible, more of it is falling, it is blowing slightly to the left in one scene, and it is a bit lighter.

Spike and Berries Scene-
The gang try to lure spike with berries, Cera doesn't want him to come. The scene was supposedly cut because of Cera being racist.

Waterfall Scene-
I used to think this was a scene from the cut original ending while Littlefoot was running to the great valley, but the waterfall looks exactly like the one near the stream before they found the oasis. The pictures show Littlefoot jumping up the waterfall and looking down from the top, smiling. Littlefoot possibly climbed up the rocks to look off the waterfall for green food.

Oasis Cave Scene-
One still from the Collectors Edition Laserdisk shows the characters climbing down the cave to get to the edge, rather than just appearing there.

Gathering Food Scene-
There was another part to the gathering food scene where Littlefoot, Ducky, Petrie, and Spike were doing things while eating.

Sharptooth Footprint Scene-
One still from the Collectors Edition Laserdisk shows a close-up of the gang after they get comfortable in Sharptooth's footprint. They can be seen in this position zoomed out more in the cut version, but the treestar is not there.

Sharptooth Chase Scene-
One still from the Collectors Edition Laserdisk shows the characters after they went through the small crack in the rock wall to get away from Sharptooth. Rocks are tumbling down and Cera is looking angrily back at Sharptooth. This scene is not in the cut version.

Walking Near Mountains That Burn Scene-
One still from the Collectors Edition Laserdisk shows a close-up of Ducky and Petrie below Littlefoot while they were near the Mountains That Burn. This is in the cut version, but the ash is much less noticeable and the background is slightly different.

“Tar Monster” Scene-
One still from the Collectors Edition Laserdisk shows the “tar monster”. It looks slightly different than in the cut version. The tar is more shiny, and the characters are more easily distinguishable, especially Spike.

Petrie Laughing at Cera Scene-
One still from the Collectors Edition Laserdisk shows that Petrie laughing at Cera went on slightly longer or was modified from the original version.

Cera Slipping on Tar Scene-
One still from the Collectors Edition Laserdisk shows that after Cera slipped on the tar the first time, she looked back at the others angrily. This was not in the cut version.

Going Back to Cera Scene-
A few frames show that they went back to the caves to try to get Cera to come back.

Ducky and Sharptooth Scene-
When Ducky is chased by Sharptooth she makes faces at him and then runs away with a look of terror on her face while Sharptooth leaps at her. Another frame shows a closeup of Sharptooth's face as he supposedly tries to catch her underwater.

Sharptooth “Death” Scene-
When Sharptooth falls into the water, a clear picture of Sharptooth sinking into the water with the rock floating slightly away can be seen. This can also be seen on the cut version, but it is much darker and less clear. The rock can also not be seen.

Petrie Alive Scene-
When Petrie climbs onto the ledge, revealed to be alive, the others (besides Ducky because she is running over to him) look back at him with surprised looks on their faces.

Different Ending Scene-
Supposedly the scene where Littlefoot talks to his dead mother in the cloud and finds the Great Valley was before he went back and saved his friends. This has some proof because when he is talking to his mother, you can see the rock they used to push Sharptooth down is still there in the background. After finding the Great Valley, he goes back to get his friends, and saves them like he did in the cut version. But he tells them he found the Great Valley (at the scene in the lake), and says they have to get rid of Sharptooth so he doesn't go inside the Great Valley. The ending where they look at the Great Valley is also different, as it has a different background, and no mom ghost.

We'll Always Be Together Scene-
At the end when Littlefoot holds up Ducky and Petrie on his head, it zooms up on him and he says “Now we'll always be together!” Then Ducky hugs Petrie.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Dilopho on July 26, 2011, 12:57:33 AM
The closeup in the footprint scene is only an greatly enlarged picture of the same we can see in the cut version.

Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Almaron on July 26, 2011, 05:48:38 AM
Someone should either tag that post of Apple's or move it somewhere else, cause I think that's one of the most informative posts we've had about the Deleted Scenes yet! This sort of information needs to be set aside somewhere so that we can quickly refer and add to it as new information is found. Even if we never find the missing footage, we could one day uncover exactly what scenes were missing, and where they went, and somebody determined enough could redraw the scenes themselves (although redubbing would be an issue) and make a "remastered" version of the film.

I actually think this thread needs trimming, or perhaps this one needs to be retired and replaced with a new thread - I'm sure I've seen what are essentially duplicates of the same information repeated constantly through the eighteen pages, and I don't think people are scrolling back through the pages to read them, so things are just getting cluttered. This is one of the most important subjects in the Land Before Time universe, and it just seems scattered to me.

Alternatively, why don't we post our findings to the Land Before Time Wiki?

EDIT: Something's just occured to me...a few posts back, Dilopho mentioned that one of the stills that have been found shows Littlefoot and Cera fleeing in a different direction, and Apple mentions a scene where Littlefoot and Cera end up against Sharptooth's foot in the mud (Music must've changed though, cause I don't remember anything missing from Track 2 in that scene, and everything seems to line up perfectly...). I wonder if this was one of the Sharptooth scenes that was cut for being too scary - I know they're supposed to be a part of the battle scene between Sharptooth & Littlefoot's Mother, but perhaps people mixed up the two scenes? They are technically part of the same sequence. Alternatively, what if Littlefoot's Mother first confronted Sharptooth as Littlefoot and Cera fled into the thorns? Except...wait, no, that doesn't make sense at all. There's no evidence for that in the music, and it doesn't fit with the rest of the battle scenes.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Justin1993 on July 26, 2011, 06:13:54 AM
Hey Almaron, I posted a theory about the whole Sharptooth vs. Littlefoot's Mother scene in this forum. If you want to check it out.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Pikkutassu on July 29, 2011, 07:46:52 AM
Quote from: Justin1993,Jul 24 2011 on  02:38 PM
This is getting rather more and more difficult to explain. I ordered a copy of the movie that is supposedly a 1989 copy. That's what the seller said. I'm hoping that the statement is true and if so, that it will shed more light on the situation.
Edit: I just re-read your post Dilopho. If by shell you mean a clamshell case, that would be a later release. The original '89 release came in the cardboard cover. I remember as a child my grandparents had the tape with the cardboard cover. I'm in the business of trying to see if she can find it somewhere. If she kept it. It was a long time ago.
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@justwatchinthevideos ive got that snippet in my version, i have 2 versions, thier both the same but the one has that extended scene, its nothing much realy, just them shortening the movie by a few seconds

found this in the comments of an LBT trailer... so you should be getting the extended scene.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Dilopho on July 30, 2011, 03:13:04 AM
If this comment is from Youtube or some random guy then I wouldn't pay a lot of attention to it.


Edit: I found the comment, and yea when you ask him to upload it then he responds that he has sold it. This guy is untrustworthy to me.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Almaron on August 13, 2011, 04:10:13 PM
Someone on DeviantArt sent me this video - here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drm5R2NI0vo) - with possibly a cut scene at about five seconds in? Looks like the sequence we were talking about earlier - a longer scene with Sharptooth prior to them fleeing into the thorns.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Justin1993 on August 13, 2011, 04:20:43 PM
Yep. The part where Littlefoot and Cera are swept into the foot of Sharptooth by a wave of muddy water. Remember the muddy water here:
(http://i52.tinypic.com/i4fewz.jpg)
Could be that that little scene was part of a sequence after this.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Apple on August 13, 2011, 05:15:27 PM
I think you're right Justin. I just got The Land Before Time: The Illustrated Story, and there is a part about the muddy water in it. The book says "Once again the beast charged, and once again Littlefoot's mother struck him down. His fall sent a huge wave of mud towards Littlefoot and Cera, which caught them up and carried them right into the jaws of the raging monster. Littlefoot's mother, realising that she would have to act swiftly to safe the two youngsters, bravely leapt forward and hit Sharptooth in the belly with all her might. The great beast went down with a ground-shaking force."

Looks like they edited out that part and combined Littlefoot's mother hitting Sharptooth the third time and him falling the fourth time.

P.S. I'm still going to compare the tapes, but the vhs-dvd converter hasn't arrived yet.  :oops
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Justin1993 on August 13, 2011, 05:20:25 PM
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"Once again the beast charged, and once again Littlefoot's mother struck him down. His fall sent a huge wave of mud towards Littlefoot and Cera, which caught them up and carried them right into the jaws of the raging monster.
Could be. Although the book may have changed it up a bit, since the wave sent them crashing into his foot and not his jaws. And it's okay about the side-by-side viewing. No rush  :)
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Dilopho on August 14, 2011, 04:23:52 AM
The book is a bit different in some scenes. In the clip sharptooth also stands on his feet what means that the wave can't be caused by his fall. I would think the cause is the tail of Littlefoots's mother when it drops into the mud after she struck him down.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Justin1993 on August 14, 2011, 09:37:12 AM
Someone has come forth and claimed that he actually has a VHS with the scenes where Littlefoot's mother is bitten by the sharptooth. Now, I'm skeptical about his claims, but he is one person who actually says he has the tape in his possession.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Pikkutassu on August 26, 2011, 01:36:44 PM
(http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/6347/asdadsj.jpg)

Here's better quality cel of the original ending with petrie on littlefoots head.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Justin1993 on August 26, 2011, 01:43:29 PM
And then look at this picture
(http://i53.tinypic.com/2923613.jpg)
The only things different are the cloud stream and missing Petrie. The pose is even the same. You can't really tell because of the quality but it's identical.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Dilopho on August 27, 2011, 01:38:58 AM
Hm,I don't know. This is a 9$ cel from Ebay and so it could also be a fake. In general the real cels cost more then 100$. I mean, today with Photoshop and tablet it isn't a problem to create fakes and I can't believe that someone sells off original cels for next to nothing.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Pikkutassu on August 27, 2011, 02:44:18 AM
Quote from: Justin1993,Aug 26 2011 on  12:43 PM
And then look at this picture

The only things different are the cloud stream and missing Petrie. The pose is even the same. You can't really tell because of the quality but it's identical.
The pose of course is the same since they animate running with the same guidelines. And they probably just reused the same cels for the scenes, except added petrie on top and different background to save costs and time. The atmosphere of the background is different, same kind of washed out bright haze like when they are all on the other side of the tunnel.

I dont think someone selling cels on ebay has even idea of the original ending so why would he photoshop it? All of the other cels are dead accurate too, and he has put dozens of them up there.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Dilopho on August 27, 2011, 04:46:43 AM
Quote from: Pikkutassu,Aug 27 2011 on  01:44 AM
I dont think someone selling cels on ebay has even idea of the original ending so why would he photoshop it? All of the other cels are dead accurate too, and he has put dozens of them up there.
Why shouldn't he have an idea of the original ending? We also have it and as I said today accurate copies aren't a problem anymore thanks to the PC.
And that he has dozens of that cheap cels is the key factor for me. In general LBT cels are rare and expensive and no cheap mass ware, especially those of the uncut movie.


Edit:
And if you look at his ratings there are different people which bought the same cels he currently offers. So how can more than one original cel of the same scene exist?
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Pikkutassu on August 27, 2011, 05:11:13 AM
Quote from: Dilopho,Aug 27 2011 on  03:46 AM
Quote from: Pikkutassu,Aug 27 2011 on  01:44 AM
I dont think someone selling cels on ebay has even idea of the original ending so why would he photoshop it? All of the other cels are dead accurate too, and he has put dozens of them up there.
Why shouldn't he have an idea of the original ending? We also have it and as I said today accurate copies aren't a problem anymore thanks to the PC.
And that he has dozens of that cheap cels is the key factor for me. In general LBT cels are rare and expensive and no cheap mass ware, especially those of the uncut movie.


Edit:
And if you look at his ratings there are different people which bought the same cels he currently offers. So how can more than one original cel of the same scene exist?
they are laser background cels, not ones with the actual production backgrounds. That's why theyre cheap.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Dilopho on August 27, 2011, 06:28:01 AM
Quote from: Pikkutassu,Aug 27 2011 on  04:11 AM
Quote from: Dilopho,Aug 27 2011 on  03:46 AM
Quote from: Pikkutassu,Aug 27 2011 on  01:44 AM
I dont think someone selling cels on ebay has even idea of the original ending so why would he photoshop it? All of the other cels are dead accurate too, and he has put dozens of them up there.
Why shouldn't he have an idea of the original ending? We also have it and as I said today accurate copies aren't a problem anymore thanks to the PC.
And that he has dozens of that cheap cels is the key factor for me. In general LBT cels are rare and expensive and no cheap mass ware, especially those of the uncut movie.


Edit:
And if you look at his ratings there are different people which bought the same cels he currently offers. So how can more than one original cel of the same scene exist?
they are laser background cels, not ones with the actual production backgrounds. That's why theyre cheap.
Even with that they are much to cheap.
He claims that they are originals but people already bought the same pieces he is offering at the moment and therefore my question from above remains:  How can more than one original exist?
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Radical Dreamosaur on September 29, 2011, 05:48:17 PM
Quote from: Justin1993,Aug 14 2011 on  08:37 AM
Someone has come forth and claimed that he actually has a VHS with the scenes where Littlefoot's mother is bitten by the sharptooth. Now, I'm skeptical about his claims, but he is one person who actually says he has the tape in his possession.
I can vouch hen I say I also own the original Land before Time VHS tape . I have owned it since I was 2, watched it so many times I lost count, and I can also say Sharptooth does bite Little Foot's mother on the back.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Justin1993 on September 29, 2011, 05:49:37 PM
Please give proof. So many cases of "I have the tape" that end in disappointment. A screenshot will do. It would be rather rewarding to see  :D
Oh and welcome to the forum. You might want to head on over to the welcome center and introduce yourself.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Karmarsi on October 05, 2011, 09:59:00 PM
 I am very pleased to see that this thread is still living and showing more progress to getting the cut scenes. I've been looking up the deleted scenes again, and as well as checked my video. It seems that my video -does- appear to have some of the scenes there. I found the casing with a copyright 1988, and it says "1 hour 9 mins". I'm unsure whether this is it's true casing as we didn't exactly get my movie from the video store or anything ( got it from someone else, we're broke XP ). I'll more than likely will look more into this and see. If true be told that my version is a bit edited I'll get my digital camera and try recording some of the scenes =)
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Petrie85 on October 06, 2011, 06:13:25 PM
Ah the hunt is still going for the uncut version of the movie.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Justin1993 on October 06, 2011, 06:34:47 PM
No, Petrie85. The hunt is on for the scenes that were cut after the theatrical release.


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I am very pleased to see that this thread is still living and showing more progress to getting the cut scenes. I've been looking up the deleted scenes again, and as well as checked my video. It seems that my video -does- appear to have some of the scenes there. I found the casing with a copyright 1988, and it says "1 hour 9 mins". I'm unsure whether this is it's true casing as we didn't exactly get my movie from the video store or anything ( got it from someone else, we're broke XP ). I'll more than likely will look more into this and see. If true be told that my version is a bit edited I'll get my digital camera and try recording some of the scenes =)

Interesting. Copyright 1988 eh?
The one scene I would most definitely love to see is the one involving Littlefoot and Cera smashing into Sharptooth's foot. It's strange. When I watched that scene in the TV spot, I immediately remembered watching it at my stepmom's parent's house. It was so long ago, but I can remember watching it there. Mainly because while I was watching it, I was messing with their fish; they had a giant Plecostomus (sucker fish) and it amazed me at the time :lol:.  Anyways, Kamarsi, I do hope it does have a scene or two.  :goodluck
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Petrie85 on October 07, 2011, 08:11:29 AM
Witch is kinda of the same thing. We're still looking for that movie that has the parts that they took out.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Pikkutassu on October 07, 2011, 05:34:10 PM
Quote from: Justin1993,Oct 6 2011 on  05:34 PM
No, Petrie85. The hunt is on for the scenes that were cut after the theatrical release.
 
The national audiovisual archive here has an actual original theatrical copy stored, and they offer transorming films onto tapes for personal use. But I live 400km from Helsinki.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: CreativePerson on October 07, 2011, 09:51:43 PM
I heard there was a deleted scene involving Cera's sisters laughing at her while she runs toward her mother or father. Does anyone have any idea what that scene is about?
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Almaron on October 08, 2011, 09:38:51 PM
It's not one I've heard of before, but it sounds like a scene that's in the film - when Cera hatches, she charges at both her parents, while her siblings run for safety, laughing. Probably someone got their stories mixed up.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Pikkutassu on October 09, 2011, 07:49:57 AM
Quote from: Almaron,Oct 8 2011 on  08:38 PM
It's not one I've heard of before, but it sounds like a scene that's in the film - when Cera hatches, she charges at both her parents, while her siblings run for safety, laughing. Probably someone got their stories mixed up.
He means this scene

 (http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/4748/asdwz.jpg)
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Justin1993 on October 10, 2011, 01:43:27 AM
In my opinon, I don't think that scene is when Cera was first born. They look like they were Cera's age when she first met Littlefoot.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Dilopho on October 10, 2011, 03:20:14 AM
I also think this is before the scene with the beetle.

But I could be wrong because Cera looks more like later in the movie than Littlefoot when she is born.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Justin1993 on October 10, 2011, 04:36:06 AM
If anything, this looks like it could be right after Littlefoot looks through the tall grass and Cera rams her father/mother on the snout.
(http://i51.tinypic.com/6hre3m.jpg)
Color schemes appear to match and that could be Cera running at the adult Triceratops.
I could be wrong but they do look much older than when they were hatchlings.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: leerdamer on October 10, 2011, 12:30:36 PM
what book?
is there a book published?  :unsure:
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: jansenov on October 10, 2011, 03:27:36 PM
There were a number of books published about the Land Before Time.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Off-Record-Guide-S...g/dp/1171146574 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Off-Record-Guide-Steven-Spielberg/dp/1171146574)

This book is about how the movie was made. It was published in 2010.

http://www.amazon.com/Land-Before-Time-Beg...s/dp/037580160X (http://www.amazon.com/Land-Before-Time-Beginner-Books/dp/037580160X)

You can find a number of books here. One of them re-tells the story of the first movie.

http://www.educationalcoloringpages.com/la...efore_time.html (http://www.educationalcoloringpages.com/land_before_time.html)

Here you can find coloring pages for the Land Before Time.

There was also a press release when the original movie came out in 1988. That book is rare now. Some GOF members have a copy of it. On the following link you will find black-and-white photos from the press release, of scenes from the Land Before Time. Some of the scenes you will find there are missing from the theatrical version.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0095489/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0095489/)

I hope this helped. :)
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Pikkutassu on October 11, 2011, 02:04:23 AM
Quote from: leerdamer,Oct 10 2011 on  11:30 AM
what book?
is there a book published?  :unsure:
Friends in Need and The Illustrated Story. They should contain some more pictures of scenes not shown on this thread I think.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Dilopho on October 12, 2011, 12:58:23 AM
and "The Search for the Great Valley"
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Paradise Bird on November 01, 2011, 08:07:27 AM
Restoring the cut scenes is the first thing I want to do when I master animation sadly self teavhing isn't going too well
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Bruton the Iguanodon on November 05, 2011, 04:02:28 PM
Exactly how much footage was cut?

And are there some cut scenes we know abosolutely nothing about, cause there are no pics or anything of it?
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Pikkutassu on November 15, 2011, 04:13:01 AM
Quote from: Bruton the Iguanodon,Nov 5 2011 on  03:02 PM
Exactly how much footage was cut?

And are there some cut scenes we know abosolutely nothing about, cause there are no pics or anything of it?
The press were shown an 80-minute version.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/style...dbeforetime.htm (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/style/longterm/movies/videos/landbeforetime.htm)
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Pikkutassu on November 16, 2011, 10:03:35 PM
Found a new one... looks like cera leaving others just before the final battle?

http://www.fanpop.com/spots/the-land-befor...ction-cel-photo (http://www.fanpop.com/spots/the-land-before-time/images/24424708/title/land-before-time-production-cel-photo)
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Petrie85 on November 16, 2011, 10:38:15 PM
A lot was cut due to being  to scary for kids. Yeah I saw that as well. Maybe she was hiding or something,.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Apple on November 17, 2011, 10:10:41 PM
Sorry about not getting back with the tape information, I've been pretty busy lately and forgot about it for a while. :oops  I finally compared my 1989 tape with a newer version, but even side by side, the two versions were the exact same besides the quality level. I wonder if any tapes have the cut scenes...  :( However, I did find some other things.

These look like more clips from the original ending!
http://imageshack.us/f/28/cutend5.jpg/ (http://imageshack.us/f/28/cutend5.jpg/)
http://imageshack.us/f/62/kgrhqvg8e3vi21uwnbonzsi.jpg/ (http://imageshack.us/f/62/kgrhqvg8e3vi21uwnbonzsi.jpg/)

I also managed to get a few film cells of the cut scenes. Two of Ducky making faces in the water and two of Ducky hugging Littlefoot and Spike after they got the food down from the tree. I'll put the images up later. Too bad they're scenes we already know about...

Also, does anyone know what this scene is from? I couldn't find it in the movie.  :blink:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-Land-Before-T...h=auc2c60c7cfc8 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-Land-Before-Time-Movie-Film-ORIGINAL-Animation-Production-Cel-Mother-/190602268616?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=auc2c60c7cfc8)
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Bruton the Iguanodon on November 18, 2011, 05:18:05 PM
That last one...I've never seen. It's titled "mother" so you'd think it would be of Mama longneck...but it looks like the animation and color tone of a really recent sequel---10, maybe! If it is real...maybe it's her waking up and realizing Littlefoot is gone when Sharptooth is chasing him and Cera?

Anyways I'm not going to rest until we've found these scenes. So, has everyone searched their VHS's? Checked all their recordings? Gone everywhere online?
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Apple on November 19, 2011, 09:44:02 PM
This tape from Germany says Hollywood Collection. Could it mean the theatre release?

http://www.ebay.de/itm/VHS-Land-unserer-Ze...h=auc336e415b24 (http://www.ebay.de/itm/VHS-Land-unserer-Zeit-/220893109028?pt=DE_DVDs&hash=auc336e415b24)
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Justin1993 on November 20, 2011, 08:28:21 AM
Quote from: Apple,Nov 17 2011 on  09:10 PM
Sorry about not getting back with the tape information, I've been pretty busy lately and forgot about it for a while. :oops  I finally compared my 1989 tape with a newer version, but even side by side, the two versions were the exact same besides the quality level. I wonder if any tapes have the cut scenes...  :( However, I did find some other things.

These scenes appear to be an extension of Cera leaving the cave.
http://imageshack.us/f/638/cutcera35.jpg/ (http://imageshack.us/f/638/cutcera35.jpg/)
http://imageshack.us/f/3/cutcera345.jpg/ (http://imageshack.us/f/3/cutcera345.jpg/)
http://imageshack.us/f/148/cut7.jpg/ (http://imageshack.us/f/148/cut7.jpg/)

These look like more clips from the original ending!
http://imageshack.us/f/28/cutend5.jpg/ (http://imageshack.us/f/28/cutend5.jpg/)
http://imageshack.us/f/62/kgrhqvg8e3vi21uwnbonzsi.jpg/ (http://imageshack.us/f/62/kgrhqvg8e3vi21uwnbonzsi.jpg/)

I also managed to get a few film cells of the cut scenes. Two of Ducky making faces in the water and two of Ducky hugging Littlefoot and Spike after they got the food down from the tree. I'll put the images up later. Too bad they're scenes we already know about...

Also, does anyone know what this scene is from? I couldn't find it in the movie.  :blink:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-Land-Before-T...h=auc2c60c7cfc8 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-Land-Before-Time-Movie-Film-ORIGINAL-Animation-Production-Cel-Mother-/190602268616?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=auc2c60c7cfc8)
The 1st three cels are of Cera when she slips down into the divide left by the earthquake.
(http://i39.tinypic.com/214cpsm.png)


The last one's authenticity is questionable. The artistry of the background doesn't match that of the first movie. However, Littlefoot's mother's presences raises the questions. Maybe that's authentic, but the background definitely isn't.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Petrie85 on November 20, 2011, 08:51:52 AM
Ah yeah I see what you're saying,.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: DollFace on November 20, 2011, 09:51:36 PM
Hey everyone I have ordered used books of the land before time illustrated books. THe ones close to the movie, and once I get them in the mail I will show it to everyone, because I believe that there are more hidden scenes. One is called what a few talked about "Friends in Need" and the other is called "In Search of the Great Valley. I can't wait. I really think that the Uncut movie is not lost forever, and that it's very rare to get it and majority of people haven't had luck yet.
Well I'm still searching. Once I get the books I'll try to show each page.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Apple on November 20, 2011, 10:39:36 PM
Quote from: Justin1993,Nov 20 2011 on  07:28 AM
Quote from: Apple,Nov 17 2011 on  09:10 PM
Sorry about not getting back with the tape information, I've been pretty busy lately and forgot about it for a while. :oops  I finally compared my 1989 tape with a newer version, but even side by side, the two versions were the exact same besides the quality level. I wonder if any tapes have the cut scenes...  :( However, I did find some other things.

These scenes appear to be an extension of Cera leaving the cave.
http://imageshack.us/f/638/cutcera35.jpg/ (http://imageshack.us/f/638/cutcera35.jpg/)
http://imageshack.us/f/3/cutcera345.jpg/ (http://imageshack.us/f/3/cutcera345.jpg/)
http://imageshack.us/f/148/cut7.jpg/ (http://imageshack.us/f/148/cut7.jpg/)

These look like more clips from the original ending!
http://imageshack.us/f/28/cutend5.jpg/ (http://imageshack.us/f/28/cutend5.jpg/)
http://imageshack.us/f/62/kgrhqvg8e3vi21uwnbonzsi.jpg/ (http://imageshack.us/f/62/kgrhqvg8e3vi21uwnbonzsi.jpg/)

I also managed to get a few film cells of the cut scenes. Two of Ducky making faces in the water and two of Ducky hugging Littlefoot and Spike after they got the food down from the tree. I'll put the images up later. Too bad they're scenes we already know about...

Also, does anyone know what this scene is from? I couldn't find it in the movie.  :blink:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-Land-Before-T...h=auc2c60c7cfc8 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-Land-Before-Time-Movie-Film-ORIGINAL-Animation-Production-Cel-Mother-/190602268616?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=auc2c60c7cfc8)
The 1st three cels are of Cera when she slips down into the divide left by the earthquake.
(http://i39.tinypic.com/214cpsm.png)


The last one's authenticity is questionable. The artistry of the background doesn't match that of the first movie. However, Littlefoot's mother's presences raises the questions. Maybe that's authentic, but the background definitely isn't.
Well that was silly of me.  :slap

I do agree that the background is strange for the last one. It's a shame there's no more information on it.
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Post by: Pikkutassu on November 20, 2011, 11:37:36 PM
Night sky suggests its littlefoots mom waking up to the screams during the first encounter with sharptooth. Animation style does look a bit off.. maybe its just the cel.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Petria on November 21, 2011, 09:36:14 PM
Life's all about the Land Before Time.
Everything we do must be related to the Land Before Time.
We are going to base our lives on the Land Before Time
I'm gonna sleep with the Land Before Time videos.
My new name is now Land Before Time.
I want the Land Before Time now
Now
NOW!
Landfoot! Cera! Aaaa!
My life!!! Aaaa!!!
The land before tiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiime


Our movie, Our lives :)
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Dilopho on November 22, 2011, 02:36:33 AM
In my opinion at least the background of the cel with mother is a fake. It looks too much like something created with a digital tool like Photoshop. The original backgrounds are much more washed out.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Bruton the Iguanodon on November 27, 2011, 03:12:43 AM
Can  someone list all the scenes exclusive to the book? That might give us an idea of what was cut. I can't believe no one has listed them all.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Pikkutassu on November 27, 2011, 02:56:52 PM
Quote from: Bruton the Iguanodon,Nov 27 2011 on  02:12 AM
Can  someone list all the scenes exclusive to the book? That might give us an idea of what was cut. I can't believe no one has listed them all.
Yeah would be nice if someone could scan the scenes and put them up somewhere.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Almaron on November 27, 2011, 03:24:20 PM
I'm pretty sure they have been listed on this page two or three times already; I'm sure if you went back a few pages you'd find it.

From memory though, the novel scenes are:
*Cera telling the others to leave Baby Spike behind, as "Spiketails eat a lot", but the others ignore her and get him to follow by using a stick with berries on it as a lure.
*The encounter of two racist herds of dinosaurs who are unwilling to work together to survive (one herd has water, but no food, while the other has food, but no water). Cera remarks this is foolish.
*Littlefoot coming up with the plan to kill Sharptooth so that he won't find the entrance to the Great Valley.

A complete list of scenes also exists somewhere in this topic, but I don't remember which page. There's also my three pages about the soundtrack, which are useful in discerning what's missing and what's been recut (for example the soundtrack still contains the musical cues that would have been used for the original ending); (http://amcalmaron.deviantart.com/gallery/?offset=72#/d28x343) (http://amcalmaron.deviantart.com/gallery/?offset=72#/d28x343)), plus there's also this collation of stills and video clips of cut scenes; (http://amcalmaron.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d41k8wf) (http://amcalmaron.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d41k8wf)).

Have you visited these links before? I'm sure I sent you links to all the pages with info about the deleted scenes for help with your project to rewrite the first film!
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Pikkutassu on November 27, 2011, 03:52:25 PM
Quote from: Almaron,Nov 27 2011 on  02:24 PM

From memory though, the novel scenes are:
*Cera telling the others to leave Baby Spike behind, as "Spiketails eat a lot", but the others ignore her and get him to follow by using a stick with berries on it as a lure.
*The encounter of two racist herds of dinosaurs who are unwilling to work together to survive (one herd has water, but no food, while the other has food, but no water). Cera remarks this is foolish.
*Littlefoot coming up with the plan to kill Sharptooth so that he won't find the entrance to the Great Valley.

 
*Extended rooter scene
*Discovery of great valley by littlefoot, then going back
*scene where "they go through barren landscape" led by littlefoot and cera says they will never find great valley

There must be more that hasnt been mentioned in this thread. Cera leaving the gang before taking on sharptooth? A scene listing straight from the books would be good.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Dilopho on November 28, 2011, 06:04:30 AM
Where is the scene with Rooter extended? It is the same as in the movie. Instead this part is shorter because the following animation with the little flyers is missing.

I am not sure about the end. In the book they huge each other, then they enter the valley and finally Littlefoot talks a last time with his mother.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Pikkutassu on November 28, 2011, 11:56:44 PM
Quote from: Dilopho,Nov 28 2011 on  05:04 AM
Where is the scene with Rooter extended? It is the same as in the movie. Instead this part is shorter because the following animation with the little flyers is missing.

I am not sure about the end. In the book they huge each other, then they enter the valley and finally Littlefoot talks a last time with his mother.
The scene was actually after spikes birth, not the ending:

http://web.archive.org/web/20040205200020/...letedscenes.php (http://web.archive.org/web/20040205200020/http://www.treestars.net/deletedscenes.php)

It supposedly has a picture about the scene not shown here too.

"On the following page, there is a scene that was not in the movie. In this picture, the quintet of five dinosaurs is gazing around a barren land at dusk after having walked through a tunnel. There is no specific caption for the picture except Cera is in wonder as to when they will find the Great Valley."
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Bruton the Iguanodon on November 29, 2011, 01:16:21 AM
So was a full 35 minutes cut?! That would put the uncut version at 99 minutes lonG!!
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Dilopho on November 29, 2011, 02:36:43 AM
Quote from: Pikkutassu,Nov 28 2011 on  10:56 PM
Quote from: Dilopho,Nov 28 2011 on  05:04 AM
Where is the scene with Rooter extended? It is the same as in the movie. Instead this part is shorter because the following animation with the little flyers is missing.

I am not sure about the end. In the book they huge each other, then they enter the valley and finally Littlefoot talks a last time with his mother.
The scene was actually after spikes birth, not the ending:

http://web.archive.org/web/20040205200020/...letedscenes.php (http://web.archive.org/web/20040205200020/http://www.treestars.net/deletedscenes.php)

It supposedly has a picture about the scene not shown here too.

"On the following page, there is a scene that was not in the movie. In this picture, the quintet of five dinosaurs is gazing around a barren land at dusk after having walked through a tunnel. There is no specific caption for the picture except Cera is in wonder as to when they will find the Great Valley."
Then you mean extended birth scene of Spike and not extended Rooter scene.

And the picture on that page is from the movie when they are all together in the valley after Littlefoot calls the others (You can see it also on the cover of that book). There is no picture of a deleted scene, the images from the movie are only a bit mixed up in that book.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Pikkutassu on November 29, 2011, 04:49:21 AM
Quote from: Dilopho,Nov 29 2011 on  01:36 AM
Quote from: Pikkutassu,Nov 28 2011 on  10:56 PM
Quote from: Dilopho,Nov 28 2011 on  05:04 AM
Where is the scene with Rooter extended? It is the same as in the movie. Instead this part is shorter because the following animation with the little flyers is missing.

I am not sure about the end. In the book they huge each other, then they enter the valley and finally Littlefoot talks a last time with his mother.
The scene was actually after spikes birth, not the ending:

http://web.archive.org/web/20040205200020/...letedscenes.php (http://web.archive.org/web/20040205200020/http://www.treestars.net/deletedscenes.php)

It supposedly has a picture about the scene not shown here too.

"On the following page, there is a scene that was not in the movie. In this picture, the quintet of five dinosaurs is gazing around a barren land at dusk after having walked through a tunnel. There is no specific caption for the picture except Cera is in wonder as to when they will find the Great Valley."
Then you mean extended birth scene of Spike and not extended Rooter scene.

And the picture on that page is from the movie when they are all together in the valley after Littlefoot calls the others (You can see it also on the cover of that book). There is no picture of a deleted scene, the images from the movie are only a bit mixed up in that book.
No for the rooter scene I mean the missing narrator line at the end of the scene.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Petrie. on December 02, 2011, 10:18:50 PM
Hey Malte, we're being referenced ten years in the future with that link. ;)  You've basically stumbled onto the work Malte and I did about ten years ago (before this forum was around).
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Bruton the Iguanodon on December 04, 2011, 07:47:21 PM
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*Cera telling the others to leave Baby Spike behind, as "Spiketails eat a lot", but the others ignore her and get him to follow by using a stick with berries as a lure

I believe, unless he was this size when he hatched and he somehow just looks bigger a few secs later, "Baby Spike" had somehow become "The age the rest of the gang is Spike" by the time that scene happened. For discussion on this see my "Born this way?" topic.

Anyways I know there's a scene in the book where Littlefoot's grandpa puts his big foot next to Littlefoot small one and says"look how small his feet are, one of my toes is bigger then 1 of his feet!" (probably Bill Erwin's speaking role) and mom names him littlefoot from them. So there are definitely a lot of novel-only scenes we haven't listed or discussed. Sure they may not have actual scenes that were cut but it would be interesting to hear them. I searched around but sadly the book's text isn't available anywhere online. We're gonna have to rely on fans who have the book to list them down.

I was really disapointed how short the movie was and think there should have been more scenes of the gang traveling to the great valley, and encountering more perils on the way there. They don't even group up entirely until like 35 minutes into this 60 minute film. I think Littlefoot's moms's death scene could have been way longer too, and have the actual death be shown close up, not from far away. That's a pity because those two things ruined an otherwise perfect, beautiful, devestatingly sad scene.

Also, they never showed how Ducky and Spike ended up in the lava pit, or how the gang (minus Cera) escaped the tar. Any ideas if that was filmed?
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Malte279 on December 05, 2011, 04:44:16 AM
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Anyways I know there's a scene in the book where Littlefoot's grandpa puts his big foot next to Littlefoot small one and says"look how small his feet are, one of my toes is bigger then 1 of his feet!" (probably Bill Erwin's speaking role) and mom names him littlefoot from them.
I should point out that the scene is only found in a German language movie book that appeared years after the movie. I never found it in an English book. I like the scene and find it plausible, but evidence that such a scene was ever considered for the movie is nonexistent.
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Also, they never showed how Ducky and Spike ended up in the lava pit, or how the gang (minus Cera) escaped the tar. Any ideas if that was filmed?
I hope that a scene revealing for the tarpit to have been much more shallow than it looked (as is suggested by some books) was shot, for the way the movie looks this is indeed something never explained. We only see a surprised look on Littlefoot's face the moment before the cut to Cera fleeing from the domeheads.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Bruton the Iguanodon on December 12, 2011, 10:12:54 PM
I had the craziest dream the other night. I was watching LBT 1 and was at the part where they spot the rock that looks like a longneck, and I was about to turn it off cause I'd seen it so many times when at the last second something caught my attention---instead of just cutting to them going through the swamp there seemed to be an intro into that scene that was unfamiliar. From the brief parts i saw it primarily involved Petrie and Cera. I vowed to come back in a second to watch the rest...and woke up later to find it was a dream. I wonder what I would've seen if i'd stayed, lol!
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: LBTLover1 on December 13, 2011, 08:43:20 PM
I agree with Justin1993.  She looks as though she has matured more.  I am guessing the scenes were probably cutted for theatrical reasons or for lack of background.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Bruton the Iguanodon on December 21, 2011, 04:54:14 PM
Will somone write out a completel list of the scenes exclusive to the book? I think there's a lot that haven't been listed
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Pikkutassu on December 23, 2011, 07:16:21 PM
The movie has aired yesterday on one of the movie subscription channels of the original TV company I contacted! Did anyone of the Finnish members here see it?
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Bruton the Iguanodon on December 24, 2011, 12:19:25 AM
Ooooooh...got my fingers crossed!!  :D
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Post by: jansenov on December 24, 2011, 12:09:44 PM
When did you find out about this, Pikkutassu? Seems like you've been caught off guard. Well, you can't move time back, unfortunately. Keep us informed about any news that comes out from Finnish web-space, will you?
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Pikkutassu on December 24, 2011, 09:04:36 PM
I just noticed it yesterday. don't have the channels so I don't follow them except searching the TV schedule now and then, and the movie never showed up in regular search like the sequels.

At least they have the rights now... I'm ready to capture it when it airs on the regular channel.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Bruton the Iguanodon on December 30, 2011, 04:49:46 PM
Alright, can anyone who has the book list all the scenes that are exclusive to it? No one's really done this yet; I mean I know scenes that there's evidence to having been produced have been described as being in the book, like luring Spike with the berries, but I'd like to know all there is, even if it didn't make the final cut. Like, are there more scenes of them traveling to the valley? I think there probably is, seeing as we don't even have our main cast fully together until more then halfway into the film. Someone should do this.

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3. While it made good sense for Littlefoot to be despaired and downhearted after the quarrel with Cera it can come across a bit strange that in the movie as we know it he happens to be so hopeless right after succeeding in getting rid of sharptooth and the rescue of Petrie.

I couldn't possibly for the life of me agree with you more. God, I hate how that goes in the version we know---I feel like screaming at him "WHY THE HELL ARE YOU SAD AND HOPELESS? IF IT MKAES YOU HAPPY...WHY THE HELL RU SO SAD?!" The answer? Cause that scene doesn't even take place then. And it never should have!!! If this moment had taken place in the original context, I would have felt so sorry for poor Littlefoot, because that's how the viewer is the supposed to feel at the moment. As it currently stands it's one of those "If it makes you  happy" moments. And I'm...not...likin' it.

I want the freaking original! It seems like every time we're in reach of the original cut it just slips away! Are we ever going to get it?!

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Perhaps it is a good thing these scenes have been cut. Not for the sake of the movie but because it has given us sort of a "holy grail" the strive for which (along with the ocasional findings of images or clips from cut scenes) may in fact be more important and more rewarding to us LBT fans than an ultimate finding of all these materials would turn out to be.

It's given us more then a "holy grail"---it's given us a great freakin' valley!!!

Does anyone know if there was another rain sequence in the original cut? I love LBT'S rain sequences, at least the ones in the earlier films. But 1 has 2 rain sequences already (when Littlefoot's egg is about to hatch and when his mother dies) and really the only other one to have 2 rain sequences is 9 (which has 3, although the second one is pretty brief) so I guess I'm greedy. But since 9 should have been the end, it and the original being the only LBT films to have multiple rain sequences is fitting.  ;)  So we need 1 more in 1 to even it out.
Really, I'd like to know the specifics of what was cut. I mean we know there's Spike and the berries, the extended mom fighting sharptooth, Littlefoot finding the valley on his own, and the oasis scene, but there's gotta be more then that. I want more specific info then just "scenes of the gang in great peril"----like what? Scenes of them being chased by Sharptooth? Being chased by some other scary creature? I always feel like screaming "WHAT, EXACTLY?!
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Dilopho on January 02, 2012, 02:24:43 AM
Quote from: Bruton the Iguanodon,Dec 30 2011 on  03:49 PM
Alright, can anyone who has the book list all the scenes that are exclusive to it? ....

Do you mean the Illustrated Story book? Why don't you buy your own copy for some Cent at f.e. Ebay or Amazon?
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Malte279 on January 02, 2012, 04:12:40 AM
The scenes of this and other (foreign language) books are all posted in this very thread.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Bruton the Iguanodon on January 09, 2012, 09:28:47 PM
Not all of them.

http://z7.invisionfree.com/thegangoffive/i...wtopic=242.0 (http://www.gangoffive.net/index.php?topic=193.0)

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The movie itselfs doesn't tell anything about the origin of the name, yet there is one LBT book printed in Germany which gives a little story about how Littlefoot got his name.
According to that book Littlefoot's grandfather placed his huge foot beside Littlefoot's tiny foot right after Littlefoot hatched and said: "Look how small his feet are! One of my toes is bigger than one of his feet!"
So Littlefoot's mother decided to call her son Littlefoot. I do not know if there was any such idea from the moviemakers, or if it was just an idea of the author of that book. But either way I think it's a nice and plausible story.

Nowhere was this scene listed in the list of scenes that were cut or appeared in the book. So there's got to be more. I don't want to go waste money on buying the whole book when people here already have it.


Here's another quote I found from a book in a topic that had nothing to do with cut scenes:




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The picture presented in "The land before time - The illustrated story" is a different one. This is what it says (no translation but English original this time):
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"I knew it was you all along!" she said.
Littefoot grinned at her.
"You did?" said Ducky. "But you were screaming so loud."
"I was only acting," Cera shot back. "I wanted those scaly-skins to come come into the cave so I could attack them!"
"Nope, nope, nope," Ducky said shaking her head.
"Oh get out of my way!" Cera yelled. But as she tried to stalk out of the cave, she stuck to the tar monster.
"We really together now!" said Ducky, giggling.
"Yeah, Cera," said Littlefoot. "Now we have to stick together."
And the whole group loughed.
That made Cera madder than ever. Pulling herself free, she cried out, "Oh, shut up. I hate all of you! I don't ever want to see any of you again, ever!"
With that, she stomped out of the cave into the darkness. As she marched away her eyes filled with tears. She really didn't mean what she had said. It was just that her pride had been hurt. She looked around, half expecting them to come after her. But they didn't, and her heart sank a little.
A heavy rain started to fall, washing the tar off Littlefoot and the others. "Let her go," he said. "If she doesn't want to come back, there's nothing we can do." The others sadly had to agree.

The most interesting part is the "heavy rain falling". Why? I thought they were in a cave. Is it possible we could have a rain sequence #3 in movie 1?


 But anyways I would very much like to know all that's in the book that's not in the movie.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Justin1993 on January 09, 2012, 09:44:16 PM
Quote from: Bruton the Iguanodon,Jan 9 2012 on  08:28 PM
Not all of them.

http://z7.invisionfree.com/thegangoffive/i...wtopic=242.0 (http://www.gangoffive.net/index.php?topic=193.0)

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The movie itselfs doesn't tell anything about the origin of the name, yet there is one LBT book printed in Germany which gives a little story about how Littlefoot got his name.
According to that book Littlefoot's grandfather placed his huge foot beside Littlefoot's tiny foot right after Littlefoot hatched and said: "Look how small his feet are! One of my toes is bigger than one of his feet!"
So Littlefoot's mother decided to call her son Littlefoot. I do not know if there was any such idea from the moviemakers, or if it was just an idea of the author of that book. But either way I think it's a nice and plausible story.

Nowhere was this scene listed in the list of scenes that were cut or appeared in the book. So there's got to be more. I don't want to go waste money on buying the whole book when people here already have it.


Here's another quote I found from a book in a topic that had nothing to do with cut scenes:




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The picture presented in "The land before time - The illustrated story" is a different one. This is what it says (no translation but English original this time):
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"I knew it was you all along!" she said.
Littefoot grinned at her.
"You did?" said Ducky. "But you were screaming so loud."
"I was only acting," Cera shot back. "I wanted those scaly-skins to come come into the cave so I could attack them!"
"Nope, nope, nope," Ducky said shaking her head.
"Oh get out of my way!" Cera yelled. But as she tried to stalk out of the cave, she stuck to the tar monster.
"We really together now!" said Ducky, giggling.
"Yeah, Cera," said Littlefoot. "Now we have to stick together."
And the whole group loughed.
That made Cera madder than ever. Pulling herself free, she cried out, "Oh, shut up. I hate all of you! I don't ever want to see any of you again, ever!"
With that, she stomped out of the cave into the darkness. As she marched away her eyes filled with tears. She really didn't mean what she had said. It was just that her pride had been hurt. She looked around, half expecting them to come after her. But they didn't, and her heart sank a little.
A heavy rain started to fall, washing the tar off Littlefoot and the others. "Let her go," he said. "If she doesn't want to come back, there's nothing we can do." The others sadly had to agree.

The most interesting part is the "heavy rain falling". Why? I thought they were in a cave. Is it possible we could have a rain sequence #3 in movie 1?


 But anyways I would very much like to know all that's in the book that's not in the movie.
There is no evidence to support that either of these are altered or deleted scenes from the movie.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Bruton the Iguanodon on January 09, 2012, 10:32:41 PM
I know, I just find it interesting and would like to see what else is in the book.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Pikkutassu on January 10, 2012, 09:18:13 PM
Another airing coming up on the 24th this month...

And apparently it would be highly possible to salvage at least some kind of image from the tape (even multiple times overrecorded tapes are possible), but that requires professional equipment and of course any professional service isn't going to take a tape that contains a TV recording  :bang
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Bruton the Iguanodon on January 10, 2012, 09:48:54 PM
Well, try to tape it and see if it's uncut. Fingers crossed!  :D
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Bruton the Iguanodon on January 11, 2012, 08:04:27 PM
Anyways, for now can someone please make a list of the scenes in the book that aren't in the movie? I'm really curious about all there is.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Bruton the Iguanodon on January 13, 2012, 08:26:32 PM
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When I was a kid, a cartoon was a cartoon. No matter how dark it was. I enjoyed them all. I didn't cry when Littlefoot's mother died, nor did I even worry about anything being "racist."


Neither did I, really! Glad to see I wasn't alone!  :smile


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This could suggest that there was another scene here - perhaps we actually saw Littlefoot leading the others up the hill and through the tunnel?

We didn't. But yes, that would had to have been shown. Just wish I could see it.  :anger

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*A longer version of the fight between Sharptooth and Momma Longneck - at least nineteen seconds worth of additional fight music appears on the soundtrack, yet we know the scene to be longer. (S, D)
*Possibly an extension of the "Berry Scene" - the soundtrack goes on fairly intensely for nine seconds. (S)
*A scene where the others find Spike sleeping after eating the plants surrounding his egg. Cera attempts to convince them to abandon him, but they ignore her. Ducky then lures him along with berries on a stick. (S? N? P)
*A scene where the GOF encounters an oasis inhabited by two rivalling factions of Dinosaurs, who refuse to share their food or water with one another, out of racism. Cera acknowledges such prejudice to be foolish. (N)
*Possibly an extension of the GOF eating the Green Food obtained from the tree. (P, V)
*The original ending scene - Littlefoot finding the Great Valley, leaping through the waters of the waterfall, then turning back to rescue the others from the Mountains That Burn. (S, N? P, D?)
*An extension of the scene in the lake, where they plan to kill Sharptooth to prevent him wreaking havoc in the Great Valley. (S, N)
*A short scene where Ducky makes faces at Sharptooth from the lake. (P, V)
*A brief scene where the others realise Petrie has survived the fall with Sharptooth, before all heading up towards the Great Valley. (S? P)
*A short scene taking place after the characters hug one another, where Littlefoot states “Now we’ll always be together.” (V)

OK---there has GOT  to be more then this.

No one has listed the scenes exclusive to the book, such as Grandpa Longneck's line after Littlefoot hatches and the scene in the rain as the watch Cera go to be by herself, and whatever else anyone has neglected to list. But we don't know if these were real.

Nonethless, we do know there was a lot of scenes of our beloved gang in peril---but what? I'm very distraught.

In the version we know the whole gang doesn't even end up together till more then halfway through. I'd like another rain sequence (I know I'm obsessed) and more night sequences, but as far as those go I can only speculate. We know precious little about the deleted material. But what we do know I love the sound of. I love the idea of Littlefoot finding the valley on his own after the fight with Cera...and then turning back to save the others. I love the sound of the berry scene and the oasis scene, as bland as they sound. I love the sounds of the extended Sharptooth fight scenes---he got too little screentime in the version we know. I looooove the sound of a scene where everyone---not just Ducky---sees Petrie is OK, and then head to the Great Valley. And lastly, I love Littlefoot's last line, "Now We'll always be together." Why did these have to be destroyed? How can I possibly except the fact that we'll never see them? How can I except the original film for the way it currently is? I simply---can't! I need these scenes. I hope everyone else on the forum cares as much about someday finding these possibly existing scenes as I do.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Bruton the Iguanodon on January 13, 2012, 11:03:07 PM
Oh, here's one more thing.

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Given the fact that the movie was one of the shortest of its kind already, that kids would hardly be scared by a scene about a sleeping dinosaur being lured to come along by a branch of berries (a scene by the way that gave further foundation to Spike's later adoption), that images of the scene were used for the display of cinema showcases, and that the next scene in the movie does show Ducky luring Spike on with the branch I seriously don't know why they felt they had to cut the scene 

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It's likely they wanted to tone down the "racism" in the movie, as cera didn't want spike to come along. I can't think of other reason.

Ok, that explains why the Spike scene was cut, but why was the extension of them harvesting green food cut?  :crazy
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Blaze on January 14, 2012, 11:03:14 AM
didn't one of the Finnish guys on here say that some tv company he'd contacted had a copy of one of the early runs (slightly longer than 69 mins but not as long as the original FULL length one that got chopped)?   :blink:
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: jansenov on January 14, 2012, 02:06:28 PM
Everything you need to know about the missing scenes, including where they might (emphasis on might) be found, is right here in this thread. Just read from the beginning. And make notes. Lots of info. ;)
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Petrie on January 14, 2012, 05:43:01 PM
Bruton, all the information is in this thread if you start from page 1. ;)  Please stop asking for compiled information...just read.  Its there.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Bruton the Iguanodon on January 14, 2012, 07:27:01 PM
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Given the fact that the movie was one of the shortest of its kind already, that kids would hardly be scared by a scene about a sleeping dinosaur being lured to come along by a branch of berries (a scene by the way that gave further foundation to Spike's later adoption), that images of the scene were used for the display of cinema showcases, and that the next scene in the movie does show Ducky luring Spike on with the branch I seriously don't know why they felt they had to cut the scene 
 


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It's likely they wanted to tone down the "racism" in the movie, as cera didn't want spike to come along. I can't think of other reason.



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Ok, that explains why the Spike scene was cut, but why was the extension of them harvesting green food cut?

No one has explained this, which is driving me insane.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Bruton the Iguanodon on January 24, 2012, 11:29:23 AM
It still is!  :confused

This scene, if you know what I'm talking about (I think the picture for it is on the first page) was cut, yet why would kids be scared of seeing the main cast eating their green food? No one's bothered to question this, so I guess it's up to me. Any ideas?!!!  :confused

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(http://i41.tinypic.com/i5d8ib.png)

Here's a pic for referece. I love Petrie's sarcastic expression.  :lol  Such a shame this was cut, espicially considering how "uscary" it looks!  :confused
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: jansenov on January 24, 2012, 12:35:44 PM
^I really don't know, Bruton.

Any news about the airing Pikkutassu?
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Pikkutassu on January 25, 2012, 01:21:16 AM
Quote from: jansenov,Jan 24 2012 on  11:35 AM
^I really don't know, Bruton.

Any news about the airing Pikkutassu?
Edit: tossu has the channels on antenna, so he can't see any airings from the channel before 8pm and it always airs well before 6... :neutral  And since it highly likely is a new HD widescreen version theres no sense in making any investments here... gotta just wait for airing on the main channel.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Bruton the Iguanodon on February 02, 2012, 01:39:24 AM
I'm still very much wanting to know why this scene was cut.

(http://i41.tinypic.com/i5d8ib.png)


We've already covered why the Spike scene was cut:

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Given the fact that the movie was one of the shortest of its kind already, that kids would hardly be scared by a scene about a sleeping dinosaur being lured to come along by a branch of berries (a scene by the way that gave further foundation to Spike's later adoption), that images of the scene were used for the display of cinema showcases, and that the next scene in the movie does show Ducky luring Spike on with the branch I seriously don't know why they felt they had to cut the scene


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It's likely they wanted to tone down the "racism" in the movie, as cera didn't want spike to come along. I can't think of other reason.


But why did they cut out this scene? Why would kids be scared by them sitting around their pile of green food? Does anybody but me actually care about this scene? Cause I'm sure I've seen a version of it on display at Cinema showcases, and guess what?

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We have previously seen the LBT trailer which includes an outcut scene of Ducky hugging Littlefoot and Spike after they harvested the food from the top of the tree by climbing onto each other. This picture suggests that there was an even more elaborate scene cut from this part of the movie. The picture is definitely genuine, as it was included in a file issued to the press back in 1988. I apologize for the poor quality. Our scanner is not working at the moment (I had scanned other pictures in this thread earlier) so I could just take a photograph of the image which didn't turn out too well due to the reflecting surface of the image. The press file also included a colored version of this scene, but only as a slide picture which I cannot scan properly
As for the content of this scene we can only guess with less obvious possibilities than in case of the previous picture.

Can anyone at least guess? It looks like a really good scene! I loooove Petrie's sarcastic expression---Spike is my favorite of the group for most of the series, but in the earlier films it was Petrie.  :smile

Oh, and Malte, I think you should remove the link to the Sharptooth's death pic---I never would have seen it had I not looked at that page again.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Malte279 on February 02, 2012, 05:17:46 AM
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But why did they cut out this scene? Why would kids be scared by them sitting around their pile of green food? Does anybody but me actually care about this scene?
As I said multiple times before, we do not have access to any source of information not shared on this page. We are not maliciously withholding information from you. The best one can say is that obviously such a scene would not have been cut because it was considered scary (you figured that much out yourself). We can say no more than that it was cut because somebody (Spielberg, Lucas or less likely Bluth) decided to have it cut. We don't KNOW why! But this does not mean we don't care, we are simply accepting the reality that we don't know.
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Oh, and Malte, I think you should remove the link to the Sharptooth's death pic---I never would have seen it had I not looked at that page again.
And how would removing the link make it any more likely for it to be seen?
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Bruton the Iguanodon on February 02, 2012, 11:36:27 AM
I meant remove it and then put up the actual pic on your post.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: DarkHououmon on February 02, 2012, 12:21:10 PM
And what's wrong with the link? Is it really necessary to put the actual picture in the thread?

There's really no reason that has to be done. It's not that I'm against pictures in threads; it's just that it's not so hard to just click the link.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Bruton the Iguanodon on February 02, 2012, 03:50:53 PM
wELL, Why did you have all the other pics already posted but that as a link? Was it a "spoiler warning" or something?
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Malte279 on February 02, 2012, 03:51:07 PM
There's a reason why I used the link rather than a direct image code (which I prefer in most cases). The image is too large to fit on one screen if put in image tags here. It is kind of messing up the layout of the page. I could have reduced the size of the image to a degree where it would cause no such problems, but I decided against a measure from which detail in the image might have suffered. With the link to the large scale image there I found it to be not really worth the trouble to create another version and upload that too. You are welcome to do so if you think it necessary though.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Bruton the Iguanodon on February 02, 2012, 03:58:14 PM
It's ok.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Bruton the Iguanodon on March 04, 2012, 07:51:49 PM
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In two land before time books of the original movie a scene is included which is often referred to as the oasis scene. This is the scene as described in the land before time book "The land before time -The illustrated story":
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A long time passed and the brave little group was getting more tired and hungry with each plodding step. At least they left the mountains behind. Now they were in a hot, sandy desert.

This taking place when? After they pass the rock that looks like a longneck? They didn't go through much mountains, the one sort we saw them climbing up came
after a desert.

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"I tired," moaned Petrie. "Way to Great Valley too great way."
"We're almost there," cried Littlefoot. "Don't give up now."
Suddenly Spike became alert and sniffed the air.
"He must smell food," said Ducky. "It's the only thing that would wake him up."
Spike snorted and galloped over a small hill. The others followed, staring in wonder at what they saw. There was a small spring of water surrounded by a group of thin gray-noses (Another word for Ducky's sort). Near the spring but standing apart was a cluster of trees full of delicious-looking green-food, surrounded by a group of fat crown-heads. Littlefoot and the others raced down the hill, yelling and cheering. But they got closer, they saw the hard looks on everybody's face, and the cheers died in their throats.
A stern-looking gray-nose came up to them and said, "What do you want, little ones?"
"Food!", Littlefoot cried.
"And water, yep, yep," Ducky added.
A fat crown-head waddled up and said, "No food!"
"You may drink," said the grey-nose to Ducky. "You are a big-mouth like us. But," he continued pointing at the rest of the group, "no water for them."
"But they need drinks, too!" Ducky protested. They're my friends."
"These are your friends?" said the fat crown-head. "A threehorn? A longneck, a spike-tail and" - he pointed to Petrie - "and whatever that is."
"Yes, run away quickly," said the grey-nose to Ducky, "before spikes and horns grow on you."
Cera couldn't believe what she was hearing. She had never realized before how foolish it was to dislike someone just because he looked different. All she knew now was that they all needed food and water. She reared up her head and said firmly, "We're hungry! All of us!"
The thin grey-nose stared at her. "And so are we," he finally said.
"Then why don't you share the water with the crown-heads?" said Littlefoot. "And they could share the food with you. Then you wouldn't be hungry and they wouldn't be thirsty."
"No, no, no," said the crown-head and the grey-nose at the same time.
"Well, if you don't change your minds, all of you will die," said Cera.
"Why don't you like each other anyway?" Ducky asked.
"The crown-heads are from the other side of the swamp," said the gray-nose.
"I don't see anything wrong with that," said Littlefoot.
"This is silly. I'm hungry," cried Cera. "Let's go somewhere else to look for food together." And with that the small group marched away. The grey-nose shook his head. "I'll never understand those young ones," he said. The crown-head nodded and went back to guard the food.

If this scene actually existed, they'd have to have a voice actor for the grey-nose and the fat crown-head, which, as far as we know, they didn't (Grandpa Longneck, whose speaking role was probably cut, was listed but these guys weren't). So while this scene may have originally been in the script, I'm guessing it was never completed.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Malte279 on March 05, 2012, 01:43:10 AM
Aye, the scene, if it was considered in the movie script rather than being an invention of the book author only, probably never made it beyond planning. In the book it appears after passing the rock that looks like a longneck and before the quarrel between Cera and Littlefoot.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Bruton the Iguanodon on March 08, 2012, 03:43:46 PM
One question: what other scenes are in the book that aren't in the movie (besides this, the scene with Spike and the berries, and the alternate ending.)
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Bruton the Iguanodon on March 28, 2012, 01:51:57 AM
Hello? Anyone? It's been nearly three weeks!
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Almaron on March 28, 2012, 02:27:13 AM
Umm...this question has already been answered several times already on this forum and in this thread (and I'm pretty sure I sent you the link a long time ago)! If you want to know, have a read through the pages in this thread, or use the search option! Otherwise this thread just gets longer and longer as people ask the same questions.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Bruton the Iguanodon on March 28, 2012, 09:34:39 AM
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One question: what other scenes are in the book that aren't in the movie (besides things we've already talked about like this, the scene with Spike and the berries, and the alternate ending.)

No one has answered that.  :exactly
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: DarkHououmon on March 28, 2012, 01:24:35 PM
Actually it has, if memory serves me right. People have already talked about what scenes were in the book but not in the movie.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Mumbling on March 28, 2012, 01:53:43 PM
Yep it's been answered. Look around a bit bruton, and please stop bumping topics for your own satisfaction. (So no asking 'please answer my question', thanks)
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Bruton the Iguanodon on March 28, 2012, 01:57:11 PM
People have listed the oasis scene, the berry scene, and the original ending. They haven't listed anything else in this forum. I wouldn't have even known about Grandpa Longneck's line of dialogue in the book if someone hadn't brought it up in the discussion topic about Littlefoot's name. Other then that and a handful of quotes from the book, people have not listed what's in it that isn't in the movie. I'm sorry, but I would really like to know.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Mumbling on March 28, 2012, 02:54:42 PM
Buy the book, go figure it out yourself. Honestly, stop asking people to do work for you. You come across as very lazy by doing so and nobody respects you through that.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: DarkHououmon on March 28, 2012, 03:17:37 PM
Bruton, haven't you thought that the reason nobody has listed anything else different between book and movie is because maybe there's no other differences to list? Maybe all of them have been listed already?
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Bruton the Iguanodon on March 28, 2012, 08:43:48 PM
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Buy the book, go figure it out yourself.

Spend money on a book when there are probably people here who already have it at hand?

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Bruton, haven't you thought that the reason nobody has listed anything else different between book and movie is because maybe there's no other differences to list? Maybe all of them have been listed already?

I doubt it. As i mentioned, nobody noted Grandpa Longneck's line in the book after Littlefoot hatches---it was mentioned in a different topic completely. Secondly, in a handful of quotes I've found here, they seem to be different altogether. For example:

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"I knew it was you all along!" she said.
Littefoot grinned at her.
"You did?" said Ducky. "But you were screaming so loud."
"I was only acting," Cera shot back. "I wanted those scaly-skins to come come into the cave so I could attack them!"
"Nope, nope, nope," Ducky said shaking her head.
"Oh get out of my way!" Cera yelled. But as she tried to stalk out of the cave, she stuck to the tar monster.
"We really together now!" said Ducky, giggling.
"Yeah, Cera," said Littlefoot. "Now we have to stick together."
And the whole group loughed.
That made Cera madder than ever. Pulling herself free, she cried out, "Oh, shut up. I hate all of you! I don't ever want to see any of you again, ever!"
With that, she stomped out of the cave into the darkness. As she marched away her eyes filled with tears. She really didn't mean what she had said. It was just that her pride had been hurt. She looked around, half expecting them to come after her. But they didn't, and her heart sank a little.
A heavy rain started to fall, washing the tar off Littlefoot and the others. "Let her go," he said. "If she doesn't want to come back, there's nothing we can do." The others sadly had to agree.
 



A really like how this scene is delivered---way better then in the actual film. And there's another rain sequence.  :smile

I found this on LBT wiki:

http://landbeforetime.wikia.com/wiki/The_L...lustrated_Story (http://landbeforetime.wikia.com/wiki/The_Land_Before_Time:_The_Illustrated_Story)

It sounds soooo good. I espicially want to read the chapter "Alone and Afraid" because this part is so beautifully delivered in the movie that I'm curious how they'd make it a narrative.

And Littlefoot's birth is shown from his mom's point of view! I really like that idea!

Anyways, I know there's stuff that hasn't been listed.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Malte279 on March 29, 2012, 01:05:39 AM
No you don't.
The reason why the "scene with dialogue from Littlefoot's grandpa" was not included in this thread, was that this thread is primarily about scenes with any chance that they were made but cut or planned but not made for the movie. The scene with the dialogue from Littlefoot's grandpa is a pretty idea, but it only ever appeared in a German language book which was published more than halfe a decade after the movie, and the author of which probably just wanted to have an explanation for Littlefoot's name. Whatever you are going to say, there is no indication that this was any actual scene related to the fact that Littlefoot's grandpa is credited for giving but a mere chuckle in the original movie. I am not withholding any information or anything and I would be the first one to post any further information on a possible deleted scene if I found any.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Bruton the Iguanodon on March 29, 2012, 02:23:16 AM
OK. I guess the stuff exclusive to the books doesn't matter.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Velociraptor777 on May 21, 2012, 11:58:51 AM
this may be slightly off topic but I think earlier in this thread or maybe I"m thinking of somewhere else.. but it was said that in the final cut they made the scene when Sharptooth jumped on Littlefoot's mom's back only shown as a shadow against the rock... well I just watched my copy of the VHS and mine has the orginal scene! It actually shows him jumping on her! not in shadow!

Just got excited about that! maybe some of the deleted footage isn't lost??
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Mumbling on May 21, 2012, 12:09:51 PM
Do you think you can convert your VHS scenes?
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: DarkHououmon on May 21, 2012, 01:13:50 PM
Quote from: Velociraptor777,May 21 2012 on  10:58 AM
this may be slightly off topic but I think earlier in this thread or maybe I"m thinking of somewhere else.. but it was said that in the final cut they made the scene when Sharptooth jumped on Littlefoot's mom's back only shown as a shadow against the rock... well I just watched my copy of the VHS and mine has the orginal scene! It actually shows him jumping on her! not in shadow!

Just got excited about that! maybe some of the deleted footage isn't lost??
In the official release, not the unmodified one, there is a part where you do see Sharptooth jumping and then landing on Littlefoot's mother's back. The biting and Littlefoot's mother trying to buck him off are what's in shadow.

Does this scene you speak of go this way? See Sharptooth land on her back and then the fight part be in shadow right afterwards? Or do you actually see Sharptooth bite into her back, not as a shadow?
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: James Lyndon on July 09, 2012, 11:19:02 PM
I know this has been written everywhere but i searched informations on The land before time with its finnish title "Maa aikojen alussa", looked on wikipedia and said that the uncut version was showed on MTV3 in 1998, i translated the text in english thanks to google translate:

Movie theater / VHS / laserdisc / DVD releases have been cut several minutes of material, but the full uncut version is shown in Finnish TV in 1998, MTV3 channel. [1] cuts, due to, inter alia, the movie ending differs greatly from the original - paw can not find the Great Valley At the end of the film such as the variant is shown in cut, but will find it alone as early as after a fight Sera, and then return to seek other.
Overall, the cutting took approximately 11 minutes film material, the initial length of about 80 minutes (PAL standard is about 75 minutes).


I don't know if this could help, but if Wikipedia Finland has got this information I suppose it could be true, is there a finnish user who could help translate the informations from othere sites ? :lol:

ps. I found also the dates when the movie aired in Finland:
Televisioesitykset
Pvm Paikka  
25.12.1995 MTV3  
31.1.1998 MTV3
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: jansenov on July 10, 2012, 05:48:35 AM
^We know that already. That information in the English and Finnish wikis comes from the same member/group of members, and they are members of this forum as well. One of them is Pikkutassu, who remembers some missing scenes and dialogue from the 1995 airing, most famously the berry scene and the original ending. His parents recorded it on tape, but later they wrote something else over it. Pikkutassu then started looking for possible recordings over Finnish websites, and created some buzz there. Some people said that they have the recording of the 1995 airing and that it was just the normal version of the movie, while two people said they have the uncut version on tape. Pikkutassu didn't hear a word of them afterwards. About that same time (sometime from March to July 2011), another Finn, a DeviantART member with the nick shuvuuia, decided to investigate the matter in detail (the journal entry has been deleted since then). She got a subscription to Helsingin Sanomat, the most read Finnish daily, and found the issue from the day of the 1995 airing. The newspaper said that the duration of the movie was only 60 minutes.

But, she also asked some of her Finnish friends about the airing, and they all remembered some details which can't be found in the cut version.

So, there are two explanations: The uncut version was aired indeed (how does this reconcile with people who say they have the recording, saying it was just the regular version?) and the journalist made a mistake listing the duration of the movie as only 60 minutes , or some LBT fans succumbed to the power of auto-suggestion, and instead of remembering details from the airing, they actually remember details from "Friends in Need" or the LBT press release.

I actually remember the berry scene and the original ending myself, from a German airing in 2002, but upon seeing that a TV guide from the date of the airing lists the duration of the movie as only 66 minutes, I cannot exclude the possiblity that I succumbed to auto-suggestion myself.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: James Lyndon on July 10, 2012, 02:37:41 PM
Well I don't know if we could call auto-suggestion(maybe from the books ? But I doubt), this case regarding the uncut Land Before Time, because a lot of people remember scenes that general pubblic has ever seen ;)
I know some users of this forum contacted Universal and said that the footage is gone forever, but I think the uncut copy is still in their archive somewhere (like Disney's uncensored Black Cauldron which is definitely in their archive).
How about Don Bluth ?
I know Bluth himself, said that the uncut copy of The land before time was destroyed but does he know about the finnish copy ?
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Mumbling on July 10, 2012, 03:10:31 PM
This is what Don Bluth had to say on the lost scenes:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/68208000/Don%20on%...st%20Scenes.wav (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/68208000/Don%20on%20LBT%20Lost%20Scenes.wav)

Courtesy of the file goes to AvestheForumFox :)

Ah shoot, it seems the sound file is messed up... Here's the original topic on that: http://gangoffive.net/index.php?showtopic=7394 (http://gangoffive.net/index.php?showtopic=7394&st=20)
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: James Lyndon on July 10, 2012, 03:53:21 PM
Thank you Mumbling for the audio clip. So Spielberg has maybe got all these scenes ? .-.
How unfortunate, Don Bluth always had the worst luck possible with his movies especially The land before time and All Dogs go to Heaven which were both censored.
I don't know if it is official but it seems that they are planning to release An american Tail on Blu-ray (the news is a bit old but I don't know if is it true or not ?)

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/4472/american_tail.html (http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/4472/american_tail.html)

If the the blu-ray of The land before time will be released in the near future, could we ask Spielberg about these scenes ? I know Spielberg wants to approve all of his home-video releases so who knows, let's hope that they involve Don Bluth for a future blu- ray release and they think about the Finnish copy. ;)
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Mumbling on July 11, 2012, 02:57:55 AM
Yes, though Spielberg is (as discussed in that topic I mentioned) harder to reach than Don Bluth. In any case, there is hope of those scenes, even if they are simple sketches as mentioned by a person earlier in this topic. They could include those as a bonus option or maybe as a special edition version. I'm not sure if they would do it seeing all the costs that go with it. All hope I can see if get a massive petition, at least 5000 votes, to make the original movie on a blu-ray disc including those scenes.

This is possible, as my petition to translate the land before time to dutch has got 195 signatures. We've got many members on the Gang of Five, quite a couple of members on The Land Before Time Fanclub on Deviantart and many of us own websites regarding the land before time who could support such a petition. The problem is that nobody has taken that step yet nor is there anyone who has investigated on how to contact spielberg/Universal in a more personal approach (as to not get an automatic reply).
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: James Lyndon on July 11, 2012, 08:14:16 AM
Does Spielberg appear at some events like the Comic-On ? I think that George Lucas was at the comic-on a few years ago, maybe we could reach Lucas first, because unlike Spielberg he isn't very busy in the movie buissness as a director. He doesen't direct a movie since 1999 and he simply creates tv-series based on that same movie. :D
Maybe we should try with George Lucas. :)
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: tad10 on August 24, 2012, 06:55:17 PM
Hi, new to this forum, I found some more original production material that may shed some light on those lost scenes, sorry if any of its been posted before

(http://s12.postimage.org/kcu8r2uex/KGr_Hq_VHJDEE_Pd2_Neu_RBPr_WEnnu7_60_12.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/kcu8r2uex/)

(http://s13.postimage.org/4dlqv6moj/161361_8170236_cerasig.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/4dlqv6moj/)

(http://s16.postimage.org/tphif3cox/lbt_cel.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/tphif3cox/)

(http://s12.postimage.org/45sjorcs9/lbt_model_sheet.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/45sjorcs9/)

(http://s14.postimage.org/hy61nipfh/lbt_model_sheet_2.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/hy61nipfh/)

(http://s18.postimage.org/5ce1x65v9/trex.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/5ce1x65v9/)

(http://s10.postimage.org/kokfbllf9/Untitled_1.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/kokfbllf9/)

http://images.wikia.com/landbeforetime/ima...acter_sheet.jpg (http://images.wikia.com/landbeforetime/images/c/c3/Cera_character_sheet.jpg)

(http://s10.postimage.org/l6azdplmd/4370555033_c70fcb9b5b.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/l6azdplmd/)

(http://s17.postimage.org/rnw8fu52j/Untitled_1.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/rnw8fu52j/)

The search continues!  :idea
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Mumbling on August 25, 2012, 03:09:54 AM
Hi tad! Welcome to this forum. I think some of them might have been posted before, but it's still nice to see some new ones :D Hope you enjoy the rest of this forum as well :)
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: jansenov on August 25, 2012, 05:33:32 AM
Great find! I haven't had the opportunity to see these before.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: tad10 on August 25, 2012, 08:29:00 AM
Quote from: Mumbling,Aug 25 2012 on  02:09 AM
Hi tad! Welcome to this forum. I think some of them might have been posted before, but it's still nice to see some new ones :D Hope you enjoy the rest of this forum as well :)
thanks :D
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: EggStealerGirl on August 28, 2012, 09:01:33 PM
Quote from: tad10,Aug 24 2012 on  05:55 PM
Hi, new to this forum, I found some more original production material that may shed some light on those lost scenes, sorry if any of its been posted before

...

The search continues! :idea
Awww, man! These look great! :DD And welcome to the forum! :D

Also, sorry for going a bit off of topic here, but I do know for a fact that Bluth has a DVD of the uncut version of All Dogs Go To Heaven; most of these cut scenes were of Charlie and his nightmare.

Similarly to the Land Before Time, most of these scenes were too scary for children.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Littlefoot3897 on December 28, 2012, 08:09:23 AM
so I was looking into deleted scenes from Disney movies and I remembered the land before time. So I noticed many blu ray films released deleted scenes as bonus features and I'm still curious as to all the parts that got cut out from the sharptooth and the earthquake scene. I hope more can be updated from this and any information on how to contact Steven .
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Littlefoot3897 on January 22, 2013, 11:36:37 PM
huge question

the clip on 0:27

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wfd3x1LtwI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wfd3x1LtwI)

where was it from? o_0
trailer?
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Pikkutassu on February 03, 2013, 09:37:27 PM
Quote from: Littlefoot3897,Jan 22 2013 on  10:36 PM
huge question

the clip on 0:27

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wfd3x1LtwI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wfd3x1LtwI)

where was it from? o_0
trailer?
Yes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=playe...dDQkwV8Q#t=244s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=SpxdDQkwV8Q#t=244s)
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Mercury on March 09, 2013, 06:32:32 PM
Being Finnish myself, I recall seeing the film in the 90's. Both airings infact.
And one of them was recorded, but as usual, it was overwritten sometime later.

I'm pretty sure the image where Sera is alone in the caves alone was in the
uncut version. Also there was a part where Ducky(Alli in Finnish version)
is baiting/teasing a baby Sharptooth on a pond.

Some things Pikkutassu has mentioned, such as the berry scene and
Sera being "racist" about Spike, are things I also seem to remember.

Then there was the scene where the gang couldn't get food or water,
which I seem to remember this memory could be from some Land Before Time-related book.

If Pikkutassu, or other Finnish members could chime in and comment, that would be cool.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: OllyDirectioner on April 02, 2013, 06:22:14 PM
I think the original version of the film was altered quite a bit, which explains why the movie is only one hour and 9 minutes long. I think Littlefoot was supposed to find the Great Valley before them all, but FAR ahead of them, leading to the part where they find the desert, Littlefoot actually mistaking it for the Great Valley. Then, Cera says her "This is your Great Valley?!?!?!??? YOU'RE CRAZY!!!!!" line. If you notice the part where Littlefoot sees his mother's spirit in the clouds, you see the giant rock in the background that killed the Sharptooth, which seems like it was supposed to happen before they killed Sharptooth.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Ducky123 on April 03, 2013, 06:00:54 AM
I have to pay attention to that, when I watch the original next time :) Good point!
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: OllyDirectioner on April 03, 2013, 09:07:41 AM
I know that while the film was chopped and edited in order to attain a "G" rating instead of a "PG" rating, Don Bluth wasn't necessarily happy with the final cut.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Ducky123 on April 03, 2013, 05:40:05 PM
I guess most of the members here aren't either ;)

We all want to see the uncut version of the original movie, but I doubt it'll be released ever  :cry

Sure, the original is just awesome, but with the outcut scenes it'd be even more awesome :yes
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Bruton the Iguanodon on April 04, 2013, 01:03:04 AM
"Some things you see with your eyes, others you see with your heart." And I've seen with mine this whole amazing movie, and hope someday we find it!  :exactly
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: jalistair on April 05, 2013, 12:01:33 AM
Anyone seen this production cel before? It's obviously from the 'Sharptooth and the Earthquake' scene, But I want to find out if it's legit or not. It looks real because I don't remember Littlefoot's mother in that pose, and the wound is clearly visible.. By the way I'm new here.

Newly Discovered Cel? (http://http://www.ebay.com/itm/LAND-BEFORE-TIME-ANIMATION-PRODUCTION-CEL-0041-68-41-/160943067898?pt=Collectibles_Animation_Art&hash=item2578f452fa)
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: jalistair on April 05, 2013, 12:05:54 AM
Sorry, It doesn't look like the link is working. Is there any way I can upload the pic from my computer?
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: jalistair on April 05, 2013, 12:11:20 AM
Sorry for the many posts but here is the cel I spoke of. What do you guys think?

(http://s13.postimg.org/d8onr022v/IMG_0939_1.jpg) (http://[url=http://postimage.org/) upload foto (http://postimage.org/)]New Cel[/URL]

Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: OllyDirectioner on April 05, 2013, 12:19:04 AM
Well, much as we want to see the unedited version, I doubt that Don Bluth would pull a George Lucas by adding in the deleted scenes to the film. (If you don't know what I mean by "pulling a George Lucas", I'm referring to Star Wars, when Lucas altered movies IV, V, and VI).  :x


^jalistair, that looks more like Littlefoot's Grandma than his mother.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Ducky123 on April 05, 2013, 07:32:57 AM
This is Littlefoots mother, no doubt! You see the biting from the sharptooth?

I'm not sure whether it's an outcut scene or not though  :unsure:

Anyway, welcome :D Feel free to introduce yourself in the Welcome Center so that we can get to know you :yes
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: jansenov on April 05, 2013, 08:11:49 PM
Littlefoot's mom, Littlefoot and Cera have exactly the same poses at 16:09.3 in the movie, but the backround is totally different. This cel is most likely a fake.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: jalistair on April 06, 2013, 12:14:59 AM
Wait I see it. Your right about that. That's the thing with the Cels, nothing is absolute. This thing is actually selling for $200 bucks on Ebay, I pity the soul who wastes that much money on a fake.

Judging from some real Cels and the little bit of footage seen in the old tv spots, some of the scenes were really beautiful and appealing. That one lost shot from the tv spot of Littlefoot and Cera being swept on a wave of mud, then being knocked onto the Sharptooth's foot was really quite detailed.

I also remember a guy on YouTube editing that scene into the film, with the missing portion of the soundtrack matching up perfectly. Though that was also taken down. Whatever was in some of these scenes, Universal (Or Steven Spielberg) really don't want us to see them. makes me think, could they have really been that bad?
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Bruton the Iguanodon on April 06, 2013, 01:10:36 AM
Well, we don't know what most of them are of, so who knows? Personally I am just DYING to know what they are!        :smile
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Ducky123 on April 06, 2013, 06:43:44 AM
Same here  :lol

I don't see why there was a need to cut them, look at the kids series on TV today... the Sharptooth scenes weren't too scary imo, I was never scared of them as far as I can remember.
Also the outcut scenes wouldn't be much scarier than the scenes we know since a Sharptooth attack is a Sharptooth attack... it wouldn't make it much scarier...
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: somerandomfangirl on April 06, 2013, 12:05:26 PM
At the time I guess people were a bit more sensitive about what children saw or people just thought it was just overall too dark to be G. Since the producers (namely George Lucas and Steven Spielberg) didn't want the film to be a PG, they got rid of the darker scenes that weren't too important to the plot like the sharptooth battle was, but even that would have been scarier with the cut scenes added in.

It's a real shame that the Land Before Time was cut and the scenes are lost somewhere. I would have loved to see them for myself. Anyway, I too would love a Blu-ray release of the film with the uncut version, however I'm going to stay sceptical about seeing those scenes. I tried sketching out the scene where the sharptooth bites out some of Littlefoot's mother's back, but this was quite a while ago when I wasn't that great at drawing dinosaurs, so it's really shabby looking.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: jalistair on April 06, 2013, 08:10:07 PM
Back in those days cartoon violence was a little more common than it is today. If a child could withstand the heartbreaking death of their favorite Autobot, Optimus Prime, In Transformers: The Movie than I think they could have dealt with a couple of the more perilous scenes. As I child, I thought the scenes with the Sharptooth were awesome, I never got scared by them. I actually got scared more from the Tyrannosaur in Jurassic Park when I was a little kid, Isn't that Ironic? the guy who tells Don Bluth "You'll have Kids crying in the lobby" turned out the more frightening product five years later. Heck, even Oliver and Company had some frightening scenes. The part where the girl gets pulled into the car, kidnapped and held for ransom still freaks me out, That stuff actually happens. My point is though, kids can handle stuff. From personal experience, when I feared it it made me want to see it even more. that's coming from a guy who started watching horror films at age 7.  :lol
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Pikkutassu on April 10, 2013, 06:51:39 AM
Quote from: OllyDirectioner,Apr 2 2013 on  05:22 PM
I think the original version of the film was altered quite a bit, which explains why the movie is only one hour and 9 minutes long. I think Littlefoot was supposed to find the Great Valley before them all, but FAR ahead of them, leading to the part where they find the desert, Littlefoot actually mistaking it for the Great Valley. Then, Cera says her "This is your Great Valley?!?!?!??? YOU'RE CRAZY!!!!!" line. If you notice the part where Littlefoot sees his mother's spirit in the clouds, you see the giant rock in the background that killed the Sharptooth, which seems like it was supposed to happen before they killed Sharptooth.
The press were shown an 80 minute version just before the release, that must've been the version that had all scenes finalized and it was further cut down to 69 minutes for theaters.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/style...dbeforetime.htm (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/style/longterm/movies/videos/landbeforetime.htm)
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Brerdaniel on May 23, 2013, 03:47:42 PM
Hmmm....Maybe if someone should go back in time in the making of this classic film then they could probaby record those deleted scenes for the fans of TLBT.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Ducky123 on May 23, 2013, 06:14:11 PM
I'd be surprised if this would be possible... Though it'd be great
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Littlefoot3897 on June 06, 2013, 04:31:42 PM
Quote from: Brerdaniel,May 23 2013 on  02:47 PM
Hmmm....Maybe if someone should go back in time in the making of this classic film then they could probaby record those deleted scenes for the fans of TLBT.
I been wishing for that for a long time :p go back in time and yell at steven and george xD
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Hexadecimal on June 20, 2013, 09:27:13 PM
Does anyone here happen to have the VHS tape that was sold at McDonald's in the US? That's what I had before I was stupid and sold it and I know for a fact that it had more to the Sharptooth scene than the DVD releases as seeing chunks get torn out of Little Foot's mother really stuck in my mind as a kid. I'm just curious if perhaps it may have a little bit more footage to it as well as I can't remember anymore differences myself.

Is the less censored attack scene anywhere on youtube? I haven't been able to find it.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Ducky123 on June 21, 2013, 09:35:58 AM
Universal deletes all vids on YouTube which they don't want to be there... this includes the outcutted scenes... hardly anyone of us knows what they looked like and what they actually were :(
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Phantom on June 23, 2013, 06:29:45 PM
Quote from: tad10,Aug 24 2012 on  05:55 PM
Hi, new to this forum, I found some more original production material that may shed some light on those lost scenes, sorry if any of its been posted before

(http://s12.postimage.org/kcu8r2uex/KGr_Hq_VHJDEE_Pd2_Neu_RBPr_WEnnu7_60_12.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/kcu8r2uex/)

(http://s13.postimage.org/4dlqv6moj/161361_8170236_cerasig.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/4dlqv6moj/)

(http://s16.postimage.org/tphif3cox/lbt_cel.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/tphif3cox/)

(http://s12.postimage.org/45sjorcs9/lbt_model_sheet.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/45sjorcs9/)

(http://s14.postimage.org/hy61nipfh/lbt_model_sheet_2.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/hy61nipfh/)

(http://s18.postimage.org/5ce1x65v9/trex.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/5ce1x65v9/)

(http://s10.postimage.org/kokfbllf9/Untitled_1.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/kokfbllf9/)

http://images.wikia.com/landbeforetime/ima...acter_sheet.jpg (http://images.wikia.com/landbeforetime/images/c/c3/Cera_character_sheet.jpg)

(http://s10.postimage.org/l6azdplmd/4370555033_c70fcb9b5b.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/l6azdplmd/)

(http://s17.postimage.org/rnw8fu52j/Untitled_1.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/rnw8fu52j/)

The search continues!  :idea
Is the third pic real?
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Ducky123 on June 24, 2013, 08:09:30 AM
I don't think so... Maybe it is a sketch that helped the animators... idk :unsure:
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: somerandomfangirl on June 24, 2013, 11:16:41 AM
It looks photo manipulated to me. The other two grey-ish longnecks look like scaled down adults, same with the other threehorns. That and I don't know what the upside-down threehorn is all about. Parts of Littlefoot's tail and hind foot are missing too, which doesn't make sense if that was an actual cel. So I'd say it's a fake. :yes
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Phantom on June 24, 2013, 01:00:51 PM
Quote from: somerandomfangirl,Jun 24 2013 on  10:16 AM
It looks photo manipulated to me. The other two grey-ish longnecks look like scaled down adults, same with the other threehorns. That and I don't know what the upside-down threehorn is all about. Parts of Littlefoot's tail and hind foot are missing too, which doesn't make sense if that was an actual cel. So I'd say it's a fake. :yes
The adults are from the earthshake scene.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Littlefoot3897 on July 20, 2013, 02:44:21 AM
decided to put this here too

was watching this and there was a missing scene here too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xunZBN3YXZU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xunZBN3YXZU)

notice when the gang all hug and sleep together and how they are positioned

next scene they somehow moved and made a heart
"Cera ends up in the middle between spike and littlefoot"

scene missing : cera moving herself to the middle
my thought: she probably blush or something and didnt want to be hugged by littlefoot

 ITS AT 2:37-2:42  dino_tongue.gif
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: LBTFan13 on August 02, 2013, 09:57:59 AM
Quote from: Littlefoot3897,Jul 20 2013 on  01:44 AM
decided to put this here too

was watching this and there was a missing scene here too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xunZBN3YXZU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xunZBN3YXZU)

notice when the gang all hug and sleep together and how they are positioned

next scene they somehow moved and made a heart
"Cera ends up in the middle between spike and littlefoot"

scene missing : cera moving herself to the middle
my thought: she probably blush or something and didnt want to be hugged by littlefoot

 ITS AT 2:37-2:42  dino_tongue.gif
That's an interesting thought, or it could have just been a mistake on the animator's part. I could see Cera getting uncomfortable with Littlefoot hugging her like that, but because the heart is still in somewhat perfect form even with the switch I feel like that wasn't supposed to happen.

Who knows. It's all just speculation at this point.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Kara on August 15, 2013, 01:34:28 PM
First post - hi everyone!  :wave

I've been wondering about the uncut version of the film for a long time too. Today I discovered that the British Film Institute has a combined continuity script in the archives for the film. A combined continuity script looks like this (http://www.thescriptspecialists.com/images/ss-Con_Combined-Continuity.pdf) so it should show the cut scenes as well, even if there was no dialogue in them. It would hopefully confirm that the scenes existed.

I'm thinking I should make an appointment to go and view the script and come back with my findings.. what do you reckon? They also have stills from the film :D
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: MurMur on August 15, 2013, 01:37:56 PM
Welcome to the Gang, Kara. :)
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Kara on August 15, 2013, 01:44:19 PM
Thanks MurMur! I have always loved The Land Before Time, ever since I first saw it. I still see leaves now that make me think "tree stars!" and I am nearly 30  :P:

I've emailed the BFI and asked if I would need to/how to make an appointment to view the script. It's in London and I'm about 200 miles away but I would definitely go! :)
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: MurMur on August 15, 2013, 01:55:31 PM
Thanks for your help. :)
I hope we will finally learn the truth.
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Post by: Ducky123 on August 15, 2013, 03:15:39 PM
Sounds very promising Kara :yes

You may introduce yourself in the 'Welcome Center' so that you can be welcomed officialy ;)
Quite a few members are in their 30's, plus I know at least one member in his 40's :wow
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Mumbling on August 15, 2013, 04:16:40 PM
Hi Kara!

That really sounds interesting! Have you made one of these appointments before? Not sure how difficult it is to get in there... Would love to hear what you'll get!
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Kara on August 15, 2013, 05:02:34 PM
Heya! Yeah it does sound really interesting, I'm excited! :D. Be nice to finish the puzzle.

it's pretty easy enough to get in there I think, it's part of the British Film Industry library system and archives. Only reason I have to make an appointment is because sometimes the scripts have to be pulled from storage, and/or there might be a waiting list to view them. There's more info on the BFI special collection here (http://www.bfi.org.uk/archive-collections/introduction-bfi-collections/exploring-collections/special-collections).

Only thing I'm not sure of is if you're allowed to take photos/video of their exhibits. I shouldn't see why not, I'm assuming it's all digital. Plus I've not seen anything that says I can't yet :).
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Littlefoot3897 on August 25, 2013, 04:30:16 PM
Quote from: Kara,Aug 15 2013 on  04:02 PM
Heya! Yeah it does sound really interesting, I'm excited! :D. Be nice to finish the puzzle.

it's pretty easy enough to get in there I think, it's part of the British Film Industry library system and archives. Only reason I have to make an appointment is because sometimes the scripts have to be pulled from storage, and/or there might be a waiting list to view them. There's more info on the BFI special collection here (http://www.bfi.org.uk/archive-collections/introduction-bfi-collections/exploring-collections/special-collections).

Only thing I'm not sure of is if you're allowed to take photos/video of their exhibits. I shouldn't see why not, I'm assuming it's all digital. Plus I've not seen anything that says I can't yet :).
let us know what happens please :)
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Phantom on November 05, 2013, 12:37:41 AM
Hey guys! I noticed that a user named Apple refers to stills in the collector's edition. Pics?
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: ddmkm122 on November 24, 2013, 04:31:56 PM
Quote from: Phantom,Nov 4 2013 on  11:37 PM
Hey guys! I noticed that a user named Apple refers to stills in the collector's edition. Pics?
You mean Apple Computers?  Or Apple The Fruit?  Lol!   :D !
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Malte279 on December 08, 2013, 11:02:44 AM
Having received several requests I scanned the pages of the land before time illustrated story book which contain an illustration (running over both sides which are too large to be scanned as one though) refering to the Oasis scene:
(https://i.imgur.com/Mjws15p.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/Mjws15p.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/15Fuwr2.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/15Fuwr2.jpg)
The full text of the Oasis scene (brought up earlier in this thread, but I'm posting it again to spare you the browsing;)) reads:
Quote
(...) A long time passed and the brave little
group (Littlefoot, Cera, Ducky, Spike and Petrie) was getting more
tired and hungry with each plodding step. At least
they left the mountains behind. Now they were in a
hot, sandy desert.  "I tired," moaned Petrie. "Way
to Great Valley too great way." "We're almost
there," cried Littlefoot. "Don't give up
now." Suddenly Spike became alert and sniffed the air. "He
must smell food," said Ducky. "It's the only thing
that would wake him up." Spike snorted and galloped
over a small hill. The others followed, staring in
wonder at what they saw. There was a small spring of water
surrounded by a group of thin gray-noses (Another word
for Ducky's sort). Near the spring but standing apart
was a cluster of trees full of delicious-looking
green-food, surrounded by a group of fat
crown-heads. Littlefoot and the others raced down the hill, yelling and
cheering. But they got closer, they saw the hard looks
on everybody's face, and the cheers died in their
throats. A stern-looking gray-nose came up to them and said,
"What do you want, little ones?" "Food!", Littlefoot
cried. "And water, yep, yep," Ducky added. A fat
crown-head waddled up and said, "No food!" "You may
drink," said the grey-nose to Ducky. "You are a big-mouth
like us. But," he continued pointing at the rest of
the group, "no water for them." "But they need
drinks, too!" Ducky protested. They're my
friends." "These are your friends?" said the fat crown-head.
 "A threehorn? A longneck, a spike-tail and" - he
pointed to Petrie - "and whatever that is." "Yes, run
away quickly," said the grey-nose to Ducky, "before
spikes and horns grow on you." Cera couldn't believe
what she was hearing. She had never realized before
how foolish it was to dislike someone just because
he looked different. All she knew now was that they
all needed  food and water. She reared up her head
and said firmly, "We're hungry! All of us!" The
thin grey-nose stared at her. "And so are we," he
finally said. "Then why don't you share the water with
the crown-heads?" said Littlefoot. "And hey could
share the food with you. Then you wouldn't be hungry
and they wouldn't be thirsty." "No, no, no," said
the crown-head and the grey-nose at the same
time. "Well, if you don't change your minds, all of you will
die," said Cera. "Why don't you like each other
anyway?" Ducky asked. "The crown-heads are from the
other side of the swamp," said the gray-nose. "I
don't see anything wrong with that," said
Littlefoot. "This is silly. I'm hungry," cried Cera. "Let's go
somewhere else to look for food together." And with that
the small group marched away. The grey-nose shook his
head. "I'll never understand that young ones," he said. The
crown-head nodded and went back to guard the
food. (...)
The land before time Illustrated Story Book is however the only source we got about the scene. It is possible that the authors of the book were given planning sketches for the movie while it was still in production and wrote the book without having ever seen the movie. It is however down to speculation. There is no shred of evidence that the oasis scene has ever actually been produced. I don't think Don Bluth ever refered to it when talking about outcut scenes. Mr. Bluth mostly refered to the Sharptooth scenes that were cut for being deemed too scary by Steven Spielberg and George Lucas. Lack of mention by Don Bluth is not a certain sign that the oasis scene was never produced; after all Don Bluth never referred to the scene in which after his birth Spike was lured with berries to follow the group.
Now with that berrie scene the situation is quite the opposite of the oasis scene in terms of source material. We know for a fact that the scene was produced since screenshots of it made it into cinema showcases as well as into the book "Friends in Need":
(https://i.imgur.com/kwlJxNq.jpg)
However, while we got the image of the scene we don't have any references to any dialogue or other content of that scene. There just isn't any written reference to it at all. This is all you will find in "Friends in Need" about the meeting with Spike:
Quote
The next day, among some tall dry weeds, Ducky stumbled upon a nest with a lone egg. The egg was snoring!
Ducky tapped the shell and called, "Hello in there. You should come out now, you should." The egg cracked open, and a sleepy-eyed baby spike-tail gazed at her dreamily.
Ducky said to the others, "Can he come with us? I have named him Spike, and he is all alone, too. Yes, he is."
Spike joined the group, and they continued their journey across the lonely land. Everyone except Cera seemed happy to have some company.
The book "The Search for the Great Valley" is even more curt when it comes to Spike's joining the group. This is all it says:
Quote
Soon a little spike-tail, whom Ducky named Spike, joined the weary group.
Finally the Illustrated story book is a little more detailed about Cera's reservations against Spike, but it doesn't make any reference to the berries either:
Quote
The next morning the four of them trudged on across the barren land. When the bright circle was high in the sky, Ducky came upon a nest with one unhatched egg lying among broken shells. Strange sounds were coming from the egg - snorring, then yawning. Ducky gave a cry of delight and tapped the egg. It started to crack open. A sleepy head appeared. Ducky quickly peeled away the rest of the sell, and there stood a sleepy-eyed spike-tail.
"You are a spike-tail, so I will call you Spike," Ducky said.
The rest of the group came running up. "This is my new friend, Spike," said Ducky. "Can we take him with us? Huh? Huh?"
"He'll slow us down," Cera said. "All spike-tails can do is eat and burp. Sharptooth will catch up and eat us!"
"No more dump stories," Littlefoot said sternly.
"I'm telling the truth!" Cera cried.
Over Cera's protests Spike joined the group.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Littlefoot3897 on February 19, 2014, 01:07:50 AM
thought it was interesting
someone mentioned in other post how it looks like the tar scene had some scenes skipped

I found this in other post and probabaly think this was in the movie o_O


The picture presented in "The land before time - The illustrated story" is a different one. This is what it says (no translation but English original this time):
Quote
"I knew it was you all along!" she said.
Littefoot grinned at her.
"You did?" said Ducky. "But you were screaming so loud."
"I was only acting," Cera shot back. "I wanted those scaly-skins to come come into the cave so I could attack them!"
"Nope, nope, nope," Ducky said shaking her head.
"Oh get out of my way!" Cera yelled. But as she tried to stalk out of the cave, she stuck to the tar monster.
"We really together now!" said Ducky, giggling.
"Yeah, Cera," said Littlefoot. "Now we have to stick together."
And the whole group loughed.
That made Cera madder than ever. Pulling herself free, she cried out, "Oh, shut up. I hate all of you! I don't ever want to see any of you again, ever!"
With that, she stomped out of the cave into the darkness. As she marched away her eyes filled with tears. She really didn't mean what she had said. It was just that her pride had been hurt. She looked around, half expecting them to come after her. But they didn't, and her heart sank a little.
A heavy rain started to fall, washing the tar off Littlefoot and the others. "Let her go," he said. "If she doesn't want to come back, there's nothing we can do." The others sadly had to agree.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Ducky123 on February 19, 2014, 12:44:34 PM
Some parts of this would have been a nice addition to the cut movie while others would not. In particular, the "now we have to stick together" part would have been a reaaaaally nice addition. THough the ending is better the way it was in the movie (Cera slipping in the puddle of tar, then bumping into the rock while she :P: ed at the Gang, then the Gang trying to get her to change her mind which Cera doesn't...)

Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: RockingScorpion on March 10, 2014, 12:39:22 PM
I'm pretty excited about all this stuff, and I really enjoyed reading this topic. But I decided to register now because I stumbled upon something:

I know, this scene was posted here several times (Ducky making faces while swimming), but the quality wasn't that good. Also I think the scene with the jumping Sharptooth isn't here yet (at least I hope so, I didn't check everything in this topic).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fu8utQUIw-E (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fu8utQUIw-E)

0:47 to 0:51

It's a german commercial but this should be good enough I think.

I also have a theory about the fight between Littlefoots mother and Sharptooth. I think instead of cutting the whole thing out, they decided to show only a version which is zoomed in. If that didn't come up yet, I'm going to explain it.

I really hope that someday we'll have this movie with all scenes that were taken from it.

Oh, and..
Hi, everyone. :)
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Mumbling on March 10, 2014, 01:23:06 PM
Hey RockingScorpion and welcome! :) Thanks for posting the commercial, it's always good to see more material available to us on Youtube.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Ducky123 on March 10, 2014, 04:03:09 PM
I think this can be also seen in the english trailer  :unsure: I'll just check it and add a link if my assumption is correct.

Either way, thanks for posting this and joining the GoF :) You're very welcomed here, yep, yep, yep.

EDIT: Here's said trailer, though in worse quality indeed :) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIv66cUTmbk)
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Dalekdino on May 10, 2014, 03:58:00 PM
Now that I have got the Friends in need book which has some shots of some of the deleted scenes, I thought I'd post them here.


First off I know some people have shown this one already, but the first one is the Ducky tempting Spike with berries scene.
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/835/1w22.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/n71w22j)

Next one if a shot from the scene were they find what they think is the great Valley. Littlefoot (who looks like he's licking his lips) and Cera are at the opening of  the cave while Ducky is come up to them.
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/841/4f4r.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/nd4f4rj)

This one is from when they get away from Sharptooth after sleeping in the footprint, just before Cera says "Now will you believe me?!". Cera appears to be glaring at Sharptooth, while the other look in fear.
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/841/o0jr.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/ndo0jrj)

Finally this last one from the tar monster scene ( my most hated scene in the first film) were Cera is looking around with an angry look on her face after she slipped on the puddle of tar.
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/834/y4xly.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/n6y4xlyj)
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: raniwasacyborg on May 28, 2014, 03:49:08 PM
I think I've found what may be a first edition VHS tape on Ebay.  The shipping to the UK is too much for me to be able to afford, but one of you might be able to get hold of it.  It's listed as "1989", which I'm pretty sure was the release year of the first edition, and I've contact the seller to ask about the runtime (no answer yet, but I should hopefully get one soon).  Anyway, if anyone wants to try their luck and bid on it, here's the URL! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...em=151258322003 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=151258322003)
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Phantom on June 21, 2014, 02:54:06 PM
Quote from: raniwasacyborg,May 28 2014 on  02:49 PM
I think I've found what may be a first edition VHS tape on Ebay.  The shipping to the UK is too much for me to be able to afford, but one of you might be able to get hold of it.  It's listed as "1989", which I'm pretty sure was the release year of the first edition, and I've contact the seller to ask about the runtime (no answer yet, but I should hopefully get one soon).  Anyway, if anyone wants to try their luck and bid on it, here's the URL! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...em=151258322003 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=151258322003)
I found a first edition yesterday. Wish me luck!
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: RockingScorpion on June 22, 2014, 10:50:56 AM
I just started looking again and discovered a clip I've never seen before. It might be here already, I don't know, but I did check out the whole topic and I'm somewhat good at remembering things I've seen (whether that's good or not). :D

It's just a few seconds and has no sound, plus the quality is really bad, but it's something.^^

Link (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOYYwGytRJs)

Two clips removed, they were from that pizza hut commercial. Now I just hope that at least the remaining one is something new. xD
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Ducky123 on June 22, 2014, 02:40:25 PM
I guess I've seen this sequence... not sure though whether it's actually in the movie or I've seen the pizza hut commercial before :unsure:
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: RockingScorpion on June 22, 2014, 03:46:00 PM
By now I'm pretty sure it is somewhere in here, too. I haven't seen it, but really finding something that is new isn't easy on the internet.^^

What might be really interesting is what I discovered on ebay. The product info says it is a cell from 1988, coming from the Sullivan Bluth Studios, including the handpainted background. It looks like this:

(http://s1.directupload.net/images/140622/b9ssb6rc.jpg)

If I'm not totally missing something here, we never saw this background in the movie. Of course there are some possibilities here:

1: It's fake.
If someone faked it THIS perfect, it's worth the price anyway (84 USD). xD
The seller has 100% positive feedback btw. And the look of the cels matches perfect to those I got some time ago (referring to the numbers on them and stuff).

2: It could be that those are cels used in the scenes we all know, smashed on a fake background that got printed somehow. Again, the seller has the 100% rating. According to the description, it actually is a handpainted background. You can even see that the paint is a bit smeared at the edges of the painting

3: It could be from another movie.
I don't think any other movie besides the first one used cel animation. They might've drawn backgrounds per hand, but again, 100% rating for the seller and it clearly says when and where it was made.

4: It actually is a background plus two cels from a scene that didn't make it. If that's true, from the looks of it it seems to belong to the great valley.

The link to the cels+background is here: click (http://www.ebay.de/itm/Land-Before-Time-Animated-Series-Original-Cartoon-Cel-29-Panoramic-Bkgd-1U097-/371074967060?pt=Collectibles_Animation_Art&hash=item5665caa614).

Somehow I really wonder how it happened that these cels are now in the possessions and sold by some random guys all over the world apparently...xD
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Ducky123 on June 22, 2014, 04:56:08 PM
Hmm, I don't know what to make of this...

First of all, great discovery! This is certainly unknown to our forum. Now let's see...

The scene looks like a cut. This is certainly NOT in the movie we all adore. Now consider this: Where do you think might this scene be? Or, to put it better: What scene exactly is it supposed to show? We pretty much know all edited scenes although nobody can really prove whether our assumptions are correct. Though the majority of the scenes we believe to be part of the uncut version have either references in a book or they are in some of the trailers and ads for the movie. I don't know which scene this might show. Do you guys?

Let's take a look at the background... There's only one scene in the edited version that has a similar background... the scene between Ducky and Littlefoot meeting and them meeting Petrie. They're exchanging names, talking about the Great Valley (Ducky: "Do you think my family went to the Great Valley too, heh?" Littlefoot: "Maybe... My mother said that's where all the herd are going.")
and then "don't step on a crack..." I guess there are trees like those in the background and the angle of the camera might fit too, so does the texture of the grass.
A likely guess as for what cut scene this might display is the mysterious "oasis scene". After all, we don't really have any screenshots of it and only some illustrations in a book whose illustrations are not necessarily screenshots from the uncut movie. These show a rather tropical vegetation if I recall correctly while we see a forest here that is more likely to be seen in Europe and Northern America.

I'll be making a bold guess by claiming that this is a fake. The background reminds me of Winnie the Pooh, a series Bluth also worked on. The trees and the rock (which looks kind of misplaced to me btw) look really similar to the style of that show. Furthermore, Littlefoot looks like being edited into this. I don't know why but his pose looks familiar to me (either the scene where he's calling after his mum right after the earthshake and Sharptooth scene ends or the scene where he's walking around with no aim, crying, until he discovers the treestar). Anybody interested in checking that? I'm too busied atm.

What's your take on it?
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: RockingScorpion on June 22, 2014, 06:11:40 PM
Mystery solved I guess: Click (http://s1.directupload.net/images/140622/28g63qyq.png). (Frame by Frame viewing is interesting^^).

I guess this just got mixed up over the years somehow...no wonder after 26 years if you ask me.^^
I don't think the seller did it on purpose.

There's still (a very small one now) a chance that it is legit. They reused some part of the animation in at least one case, so...
But using this in a happy scene wouldn't make sense, so yeah, it's probably not an unused bg. The cels should be legit though.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Ducky123 on June 22, 2014, 06:25:13 PM
(yes, it is :smile. Imagine somebody tried to make a screenshot of every frame :DD)

Ah, I've actually been proven right. Awesome! :lol Though it is a pity that this isn't what we were looking for :(
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Bruton the Iguanodon on November 15, 2014, 12:52:58 AM
Oh, wow! I hadn't seen those last several posts!

Nice find---the BG is beautiful, even if it was never in the movie. And nice job, RockingScorpion, finding out that it was fake!

I wonder where the background was from, though?  :!
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: BashLucasandSpielberg on December 12, 2014, 01:32:47 AM
Hello all!

I'm brand new here, and wanted to inform you all that some scenes were in fact in the early VHS copies, such as the one that I watched the first time I saw the movie.

I remember seeing these scenes as a little guy when we borrowed the vhs (almost certainly a 1989 version) from somebody.

1. The T-rex jumped on Littlefoot's mom's back and bit her (bodies and shadows visible), the scratches showed on her neck and back but the neck bite itself was absent.

2. The cut bits where Littlefoot and Cera run from the T-rex and hit his foot.

3. Spike being led to follow them with berries (that I think were red, and I was right! :)), and Cera and Ducky arguing about him staying.

4. Petrie struggling to the surface of the water and an extended T-rex death scene.

5. The part where Littlefoot and Cera argue about where the Great Valley is.

6. Petrie arriving at the Great Valley atop Littlefoot's head (Pretty sure this was in there)

7. The gang being chased away from the water and food by other dinosaurs(?)

8. Ducky making faces at the T-rex(?)

9. Cera and Littlefoot almost get eaten!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbW8GgAWKi8...17787AE&index=2 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbW8GgAWKi8&list=PL5E7D32CC017787AE&index=2)  :smile
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Pikkutassu on December 27, 2014, 08:04:09 AM
The movie is now finally airing on the same channel here... but of course it's some new HD print  <_<
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Laisanen on December 27, 2014, 10:28:25 AM
Quote from: Phantom,Jun 21 2014 on  01:54 PM
Quote from: raniwasacyborg,May 28 2014 on  02:49 PM
I think I've found what may be a first edition VHS tape on Ebay.  The shipping to the UK is too much for me to be able to afford, but one of you might be able to get hold of it.  It's listed as "1989", which I'm pretty sure was the release year of the first edition, and I've contact the seller to ask about the runtime (no answer yet, but I should hopefully get one soon).  Anyway, if anyone wants to try their luck and bid on it, here's the URL! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...em=151258322003 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=151258322003)
I found a first edition yesterday. Wish me luck!
Does anyone have screenshots or references of the first edition VHS cover? Or any details what to keep an eye on, besides the running time and also the year of the release of the VHS? For example is the cover plastic like this:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-VHS-The-Land-...=item3385326b96 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-VHS-The-Land-Before-Time-G-1988-/221278006166?pt=AU_VHS_Tapes&hash=item3385326b96)

or made of paper like this:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Land-Before-Ti...=item43d100ef08 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Land-Before-Time-VHS-Tape-1989-MCA-/291269308168?pt=VHS&hash=item43d100ef08)

Details like these would help a lot when trying to find the first edition. :)
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: BashLucasandSpielberg on December 27, 2014, 02:16:26 PM
The first edition is always in a cardboard case unless someone transferred it to plastic later on. :)
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Petrie on December 28, 2014, 09:09:46 PM
Not to burst anyone's bubbles, but I had one of those original print VHS tapes in the US.  There were no outcut scenes on that VHS release, so please save your money. ;)  I was always surprised how the book "Friends in Need" could have scenes that the film I had didn't.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: BashLucasandSpielberg on December 29, 2014, 12:16:03 PM
Aw, dang!

I definitely remember those scenes from the first time I saw the movie though. Couldn't have been in theatres, because I wasn't around that far back. :)

It was definitely a VHS. Strange...
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: BashLucasandSpielberg on December 29, 2014, 02:00:33 PM
There IS somebody Finnish on youtube that owns an uncut VHS, named kaskiller.

However, I am starting to suspect that they died or something, because I sent a message but got no response.

Who doesn't check their e-mail or comment on youtube for a year?

Video with the relevant comments: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbI0Htbl5UA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbI0Htbl5UA)

Kaskiller's page: https://www.youtube.com/user/kaskiller (https://www.youtube.com/user/kaskiller)
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Laisanen on December 30, 2014, 06:06:32 AM
I have been trying to investigate where the Finnish TV channel MTV3 got the "uncut version" of the movie. I didn't have that much luck but this is what I found out so far:

I followed Pikkutassu's lead and contacted the National Audiovisual Institute in Finland. They have the film prints of all the movies that are shown in Finnish theaters (foreign and national). They also have detailed information when certain movies are shown on TV.

They had listed in their library that TLBT was shown in 25.12.1995 and 31.01.1998 on MTV3. Those are the dates when people have said that the channel showed the uncut version. My first question was, are those dates about the movie only or the FILM COPY that they have in their archive.

I asked about this on e-mail and they said that those dates apply to all screenings on TV, not only their copy. They also mentioned that it is almost certain that MTV3 got their copy somewhere else than from National Audiovisual Institute's archive in the 90's. Usually TV channels get their copies from production companies, which makes sense. But it just raises.. more questions.

There's also a small conflict with the uncut film being shown in 25.12.1995 on MTV3. The running time for the movie was 66 min according to Katso-magazine. They had booked 70 min for the movie (this includes commercials etc.), so even if it had been the uncut version, it wouldn't have fitted into the booked timeslot.

Even though it doesn't seem that likely that the institute have the uncut version in their possession, I'm still planning to go to see the film copy in their archives. Unfortunately, you have to book one week earlier because they have to take the film copy out of the cold-storage. It also costs a little bit but I think it is worth se see, just in case. :)

So for the Finnish fans, I recommend to keep contacting MTV3. Or at least ask where they got their copy of the movie in the 90's.

One more thing, could Finnish fans also tell me was the uncut version on MTV3 Finnish dubbed? Or in English?
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Ducky123 on December 30, 2014, 07:59:53 AM
Wow, good luck, Laisanen!  :goodluck
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Pikkutassu on December 30, 2014, 08:45:07 AM
Quote from: Laisanen,Dec 30 2014 on  05:06 AM
One more thing, could Finnish fans also tell me was the uncut version on MTV3 Finnish dubbed? Or in English?
 
Finnish... and I know I have only seen the 1998 airing.

Being able to see it in its original full theater glory must still be nice experience though, keep an eye on the sharptooth biting scene to close that myth about early VHS's :p
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: BashLucasandSpielberg on December 30, 2014, 03:37:00 PM
I DID see it on VHS though... maybe the lenders new somebody, because the first time I saw it was in 2000 or something, and it had at least a few extra minutes in it or more! :)
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Dashaque on March 06, 2015, 04:30:53 AM
Okay I searched through this entire thread and I noticed a LOT of the images that people have posted have been deleted... I'm wonder if anyone still has them.  Like any pics from the original ending?  I heard there was one of Littlefoot playing in the waterfalls, does anyone have this one by chance?

Thanks
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Dalekdino on June 08, 2015, 04:52:20 AM
I'm pretty sure some people will have seen them by now, and they'll likely be posted here soon. But on the LBT Wiki, someone has posted story board drawings of the (uncut) first half of the Sharptooth chasing Littlefoot and Cera scene, were he shows up in the swamp then chases them into the torn bush. E.G. One part in them that's not in the film is Littlefoot and Cera climbing up the inside of the rotten hollow tree in the swamp they were playing in then Sharptooth smashes it up.

Here the link to the galley.
http://landbeforetime.wikia.com/wiki/Special:NewFiles (http://landbeforetime.wikia.com/wiki/Special:NewFiles)
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Ducky123 on June 08, 2015, 01:08:10 PM
Oh, thanks for sharing and thanks to whoever made these  :wow
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Akiko on June 08, 2015, 01:15:15 PM
I'd never seen some of those storyboards before, thanks for sharing! It'd be interesting to see some of these cut scenes fully animated.

Dashaque, is this the picture you're looking for?

(http://41.media.tumblr.com/821596c37b7d442e8d9eddb9c25794c9/tumblr_nik873n0SB1rinm47o1_500.jpg)
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Dalekdino on June 15, 2015, 07:15:16 AM
More story boards of supposed deleted scenes have been posted on the LBT wiki, these ones appear to be a scene with Littlefoot and his mum.
http://landbeforetime.wikia.com/wiki/Special:NewFiles (http://landbeforetime.wikia.com/wiki/Special:NewFiles)
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: tad10 on June 18, 2015, 07:32:03 PM
Quote from: Dalekdino,Jun 8 2015 on  03:52 AM
I'm pretty sure some people will have seen them by now, and they'll likely be posted here soon. But on the LBT Wiki, someone has posted story board drawings of the (uncut) first half of the Sharptooth chasing Littlefoot and Cera scene, were he shows up in the swamp then chases them into the torn bush. E.G. One part in them that's not in the film is Littlefoot and Cera climbing up the inside of the rotten hollow tree in the swamp they were playing in then Sharptooth smashes it up.

Here the link to the galley.
http://landbeforetime.wikia.com/wiki/Special:NewFiles (http://landbeforetime.wikia.com/wiki/Special:NewFiles)
Hey, I just read your post really interesting I aint seen these either, I found this on youtube too, same pics but different format! :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLOUZrMHMiQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLOUZrMHMiQ)
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Dalekdino on June 19, 2015, 05:54:10 AM
Quote from: tad10,Jun 19 2015 on  12:32 AM

Hey, I just read your post really interesting I aint seen these either, I found this on youtube too, same pics but different format! :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLOUZrMHMiQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLOUZrMHMiQ)
Ah great thanks for sharing that. Also from seeing those story boards in sequence. It looks as though the scene were Littlefoot gets caught up in vines and they whip straight into Sharptooth's face happened earlier on in the chase scene, and the moved it to later when they re-edited the film... I f you know what I mean..
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Ducky123 on June 19, 2015, 12:43:00 PM
Quote
Ah great thanks for sharing that. Also from seeing those story boards in sequence. It looks as though the scene were Littlefoot gets caught up in vines and they whip straight into Sharptooth's face happened earlier on in the chase scene, and the moved it to later when they re-edited the film... I f you know what I mean..
Yeah, it seems like it. Just looking at the pictures was difficult for me but now due to that video I've managed to get a better image of what the deleted scenes probably contained. The description of the video in the link above is also stating what you're hinting at...

Quote
Recently a portion of the original storyboard from ëThe Land Before Time’ movie was uploaded to the net, illustrating how this section of the film was originally scripted prior to the major editing it underwent before being released into theatres. This scene presents the audience with the first appearance of the ëSharptooth’ and involves him chasing the two heroes, Littlefoot and Cera, through a bramble, ridden swamp. This scene in the theatrical release differs quite sharply with these original rough sketches.
This storyboard shows that instead of simply fleeing the Sharptooth the two young dinosaurs initially attempted to climb up into the dead tree, under which they were playing, popping bubbles. This dead tree is subsequently desimated by the T-Rex and the duo flee. The next scene in the theatrical release, where Littlefoot and Cera are hiding in the brambles, disappears and the storyboard leaps ahead to when the Sharptooth hurls himself into the brambles and gets his eye inury. Presumably this missing scene was originally supposed to be aired later on which explains why Rex, whilst peering into the brambles, has his eye firmly shut before it's even been injured (in the theatrical release)!

With the aid of these early drawings, as well as stills from the movie, I have attempted to illustrate how the animators originally intended this scene to turn out before it was reworked and giggled for worldwide audiences.

Here is a link for the theatrical release version of this scene
www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vfA9H-agDw

Images belong to Don Bluth Animation Studios and Universal Studios.
Music belongs to James Horner and Universal Studios
Special thanks to Mark Pudleiner for uploading the images.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Dalekdino on June 25, 2015, 04:24:22 AM
More storyboard drawings of a scene not in the film, were Littlefoot comes across a snake..
http://landbeforetime.wikia.com/wiki/Special:NewFiles (http://landbeforetime.wikia.com/wiki/Special:NewFiles)
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Sneak on June 27, 2015, 05:07:33 PM
wow
I'm interested where these sketches were taken from...
I can't find the source

but at the same time...
Mark Pudleiner posted second part of First Sharptooth attack scene!
http://markpudleiner.blogspot.com/ (http://markpudleiner.blogspot.com/)

Long time I wanted to see uncut original version of thee Land before Time

these early production sketches are gift for my soul...
*cries*
Thank you, mr. Pudleiner, man! :')
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Dalekdino on June 27, 2015, 05:26:22 PM
Quote from: Snik,Jun 27 2015 on  10:07 PM
wow
I'm interested where these sketches were taken from...
I can't find the source

but at the same time...
Mark Pudleiner posted second part of First Sharptooth attack scene!
http://markpudleiner.blogspot.com/ (http://markpudleiner.blogspot.com/)

Long time I wanted to see uncut original version of thee Land before Time

these early production sketches are gift for my soul...
*cries*
Thank you, mr. Pudleiner, man! :')
Wow thanks for sharing this. And looks as though I was right about the scene were Sharptooth gets hit in the eye by the vines Littlefoot got caught in happened earlier in the origanl cut. Also in one of those story boards Cera has brow horns..
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Sneak on June 27, 2015, 06:07:48 PM
Quote from: Dalekdino,Jun 27 2015 on  04:26 PM
Wow thanks for sharing this. And looks as though I was right about the scene were Sharptooth gets hit in the eye by the vines Littlefoot got caught in happened earlier in the origanl cut. Also in one of those story boards Cera has brow horns..
yeah, I thought the same...

good eye on Cera's horns!
:)

Sharptooth attack sequence becomes more and more scary and terrifying...
(Lucas and Spielberg, why, WHY did you take it down?.. T-T
I know why, but still...
*sigh*)


Hope mr. Pudleiner continues to post sketches.
Maybe he has all uncut material? Will we see it someday?..
:')

(sorry for my English)
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Ducky123 on June 28, 2015, 09:51:00 PM
Wow, nice discoveries there :)

BTW: Your english is alright ^^
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Dalekdino on July 01, 2015, 06:05:14 AM
More story boards of a scene were Littlefoot's mum saves Littlefoot from a snake.
http://landbeforetime.wikia.com/wiki/Special:NewFiles (http://landbeforetime.wikia.com/wiki/Special:NewFiles)
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: somerandomfangirl on July 02, 2015, 11:58:40 AM
Wow! These are really neat! It's interesting to see the differences in different stages of production, such as Mama Longneck looking way different to the way she looks in the final thing, and Littlefoot having the name of Thunderfoot. The snake scene is pretty cool, and it's not something I believe I've heard of before. Go Mama! :lol Also, seeing Littlefoot and Cera climbing into the hollow tree at the start of the Sharptooth scene is pretty interesting. I hope more storyboards continue to be posted so we can hopefully shed some more light on the outcut scenes.  :DD
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: tad10 on July 09, 2015, 01:49:55 PM
Quote from: Snik,Jun 27 2015 on  04:07 PM
wow
I'm interested where these sketches were taken from...
I can't find the source

but at the same time...
Mark Pudleiner posted second part of First Sharptooth attack scene!
http://markpudleiner.blogspot.com/ (http://markpudleiner.blogspot.com/)

Long time I wanted to see uncut original version of thee Land before Time

these early production sketches are gift for my soul...
*cries*
Thank you, mr. Pudleiner, man! :')
These sketches are great, after so many years specualting on what the missing scenes were like this explains, at least one of them so clearly now.  Wonder why it has taken so long for these to come to light  :blink:
These new sketches have been released on youtube by the same guy I first shared in an extended video...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiFF7I9CHa8&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiFF7I9CHa8&feature=youtu.be)

its alot clearer to see how the scene was meant to go by seeing this vid
I hope and wonder whether this may finally lead to a un edited release of the original movie  :D :yes
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: tad10 on August 31, 2015, 06:13:03 PM
Found these two new sharptooth cels...

(http://s4.postimg.org/71c4kp1rx/image.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/ccr15enuh/full/)
another cut scene at the end...?!

(http://s4.postimg.org/60bvvkksd/lf2.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/pi6jbihq1/full/)
dunno where this one fits in but its a Don Bluth original cel!
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Ducky123 on September 01, 2015, 07:53:24 AM
Nice discoveries!  :wow

Dunno where the second one belongs to either but I can tell the first is when Sharptooth jumps onto the boulder Littlefoot and Spike try to push on his head :yes
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Sneak on September 01, 2015, 09:48:52 AM
OMG, more pictures of my favorite character!! :3

Never see these! Thanks for sharing!

Second one is taken from there?:
http://comics.ha.com/itm/animation-art/the.../a/7108-95598.s (http://comics.ha.com/itm/animation-art/the-land-before-time-sharp-tooth-studio-color-model-cel-setup-sullivan-bluth-amblin-1988-total-2-items-/a/7108-95598.s)
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: bestariana1girl on September 01, 2015, 10:15:08 AM
Quote from: Snik,Sep 1 2015 on  07:48 AM
OMG, more pictures of my favorite character!! :3

Never see these! Thanks for sharing!

Second one is taken from there?:
http://comics.ha.com/itm/animation-art/the.../a/7108-95598.s (http://comics.ha.com/itm/animation-art/the-land-before-time-sharp-tooth-studio-color-model-cel-setup-sullivan-bluth-amblin-1988-total-2-items-/a/7108-95598.s)
The web page is blocked?
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: DarkHououmon on September 01, 2015, 10:30:15 AM
It is? It works just fine for me.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Dalekdino on September 01, 2015, 12:38:45 PM
Wow thanks for sharing these. I'm assuming that the one of the gang in a group hug is either from the sleeping together to keep warm scene or maybe the final scene on the hill... Also if your wondering where Petrie is in that one, you can see his hands on top of Cera's frill.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: The Lone Dragon on September 02, 2015, 03:51:56 AM
Those were some great pictures. The one with Sharptooth was just epic!

It really captures his ferociousness, it's understandable why he is so feared by the leaf eaters. I also think that this image of Sharptooth makes Red Claw look totally pathetic compared to him for I just never found Red Claw as intimidating or as scary nor do I get the impression that he is that dangerous if the gang can continuously fraught him with little effort.

But with Sharptooth in this pic alone you really get the feeling that this bloke is incredibly dangerous and not someone that it would be nice to meet in a dark alley. In the movie Sharptooth also makes every encounter and escape hard and terrifying and not to mention exceedingly close to having a fatality.

Now "The" Sharptooth really is deserving of his title in this pic. Great pic. Though I wonder where what cut out seen it was from.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: tad10 on September 03, 2015, 09:38:27 PM
Quote from: Snik,Sep 1 2015 on  08:48 AM
OMG, more pictures of my favorite character!! :3

Never see these! Thanks for sharing!

Second one is taken from there?:
http://comics.ha.com/itm/animation-art/the.../a/7108-95598.s (http://comics.ha.com/itm/animation-art/the-land-before-time-sharp-tooth-studio-color-model-cel-setup-sullivan-bluth-amblin-1988-total-2-items-/a/7108-95598.s)
Yea thats the right link!  the top image popped up in a serach i was doing the other day...I had to share it straight away :)
I aint seen any decent new sharptooth cels for a while!  Glad you all like :)
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Sneak on September 04, 2015, 06:46:57 AM
who can dislike it? ;)

I am so happy. Not so long time ago mr. Pudleiner posted Tyran's attack early sequence, and now: more echoes from the past. :D

even if we never see outcut version of LBT original movie, I hope we still will be able to see it via official sketches, pics and other stuff. :)
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Littlefoot3897 on September 19, 2015, 03:11:09 AM
I realized how well edited out the sharptooth attack was .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiFF7I9CHa8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiFF7I9CHa8)

if you notice the scenes that did stay in the movie got flipped so you cant tell Cera and Littlefoot were going back and forth.

now I just hope we can get the part 2 so we can figure out this part


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOYYwGytRJs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOYYwGytRJs)

I think the part after the thorn bush had lots of edits cause you can see a lot is missing once Littlefoot mom comes in.

so my guess the biggest edit in the whole movie was the sharptooth and earthquake (not counting the finding the great valley moved to the end)



EDIT: forget everything I said  :p  I realized the clip i watch of the sharptooth scene on youtube was flipped and the correct one fits the storyboard
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Sneak on October 16, 2015, 03:04:18 AM
kaboom

http://markpudleiner.blogspot.ru/2015/10/p...oards-land.html (http://markpudleiner.blogspot.ru/2015/10/part-3-don-bluth-storyboards-land.html)
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Dalekdino on October 16, 2015, 04:13:47 AM
^

Ahhh more storyboards:). So that's how Littlefoot and Cera really got out of the thorn bush before Littlefoot's mum shows up. Before all the infamous and painfully obvious editing. Tanks for sharing. I personally like to think of this as a late Birthday gift :)
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Ducky123 on October 16, 2015, 06:28:46 PM
Nice, would've loved to see that animated on screen :smile
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: tad10 on October 22, 2015, 12:21:33 PM
The last part of the Sharptooth storyboard scene has been released  :D  :lol:  :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoVdZPZBUsU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoVdZPZBUsU)
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Dalekdino on December 02, 2015, 09:03:20 AM
I was on the LBT wiki, and I saw a couple of what seem to be storyboard paintings of some of cut scenes.

This first one seems to be from the origanl ending were Littlefoot has already found the great valley before they kill Sharptooth. And Ducky has cought up with Littlefoot, Cera and Spike, still hugging Petrie after seeing he's still alive.

 http://landbeforetime.wikia.com/wiki/File:...e._Lot_63_2.jpg (http://landbeforetime.wikia.com/wiki/File:Original_(3)_storyboard_paintings_from_The_Land_Before_Time._Lot_63_2.jpg)
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Dalekdino on December 02, 2015, 09:10:28 AM
http://landbeforetime.wikia.com/wiki/File:...e._Lot_63_1.jpg (http://landbeforetime.wikia.com/wiki/File:Original_(3)_storyboard_paintings_from_The_Land_Before_Time._Lot_63_1.jpg)

And this one is of a scene with Cera's sister's in the foreground. And are different colours in this too.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: NewOrder on December 02, 2015, 10:48:52 AM
Very cool find Dalekdino.

The second one seems to enhance the theory that the threehorn in the background on LBT II could be Cera's sister and not her mother, since there's also a little grey threehorn in this storyboard.

However, in the storyboard she looks to be the same size and age as Cera, so that wouldn't make much sense, but still, one can always speculate.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Ducky123 on December 02, 2015, 02:34:49 PM
wow, nice discovery!  :wow
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Dalekdino on December 02, 2015, 02:35:10 PM
Quote from: NewOrder,Dec 2 2015 on  03:48 PM
Very cool find Dalekdino.

The second one seems to enhance the theory that the threehorn in the background on LBT II could be Cera's sister and not her mother, since there's also a little grey threehorn in this storyboard.

However, in the storyboard she looks to be the same size and age as Cera, so that wouldn't make much sense, but still, one can always speculate.
Well not so sure about that. As in the actal film. Cera's sister's are the same colour as her and are the same age as her.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Sneak on February 05, 2016, 12:06:19 PM
release of LBT 14, and Don Bluth's posts in his twitter (Deleted scene from All Dogs Go To Heaven, LBT walking cycles, and other stuff) forced me to return to my every-year hobby: attempts to find any new information about outcut Land Before Time scenes.
 :DD

It was started at morning, in Feb 2nd.

hundreds sites, unfgamiliar languages (you know, Finnish, Polish stuff, etc.. )

In Feb 3rd, after dozens hours, I gave up.
 :(petrie  

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hate men who cuts beautiful movies and never show full material them to public. Why did they even do that? I mean, they spent hours and days to make material only to throw it to trash bin or put it on shelf in locker, and nobody will see it. seriously? Who stops them to publish it in any form. Add it to HD collection pack, or something.

After seeing all these last pictures and production materials, like that storyboards from Mark Pudliner, my inner beast rewoke again.
I want fresh meat.
I mean, I need everything that related to original LBT movie.

I can't even get like LBT Illustration Story right now.



How many years should we wait?..
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Ducky123 on February 06, 2016, 09:16:19 AM
It's frustrating, I know... :(
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Pikkutassu on February 06, 2016, 01:14:54 PM
Anyone could point out a german cel-site, that I found out while digging the old network54 forum if I remember correctly, because it had a load of cels when watched through web archive. For example the scene after drowning sharptooth was there in better quality than posted here. I don't think I went fully through it and forgot about it.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Hypno on February 28, 2016, 10:32:57 PM
Well, I may have some news.

I have a burnt disc in my basement that has some scenes I clearly remember from this movie: (like the one where the gang uses berries to lure Spike, as well as the scene with Ducky making faces at Sharptooth). The disc also has movie 2-7 on it. I'm going to watch it and see if it has some of those cut scenes. I believe my uncle gave me the burnt disc to me when I was little, maybe 10 years ago.

(BTW, could I get the file on the burnt disc onto my computer somehow? I may be able to have the cut scenes fully English and ready to watch)!
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Ducky123 on March 02, 2016, 12:56:02 PM
Good luck!  ^^spike
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Hypno on March 02, 2016, 06:27:11 PM
Quote from: Ducky123,Mar 2 2016 on  11:56 AM
Good luck!  ^^spike
Sadly, none of these scenes were on the disc :( but I still remember those scenes from something, but I don't know where I saw it, but I know it was in a copy of the movie.

Still, I hope something comes up someday, and I hope I see these scenes at some point in my life ^^spike
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Bruton the Iguanodon on March 15, 2016, 01:56:25 PM
I just noticed something that could be a clue to a possible scene. Notice when they are scavenging for trees with leaves and Littlefoot asks Petrie if he can fly, it's shot at a bizarre dutch angel and from a distance, as if a perspective shot of something watching them. We know there was some deleted footage here, so I just thought I'd bring it up.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Hypno on March 22, 2016, 08:00:06 PM
Hmmmm, interesting. Someone else may bring this up again, hopefully we can find something. Again though, most interesting...
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: The Lone Dragon on April 23, 2016, 03:10:18 AM
Found on TLBT.org.

http://i0.wp.com/thelandbeforetime.org/wp-...2016/03/1-7.jpg (http://i0.wp.com/thelandbeforetime.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/1-7.jpg)

Not sure what this scene was supposed to be about but it must have been early in the movie since it looks like Littlefoot's mother is still alive. What do you think of it?
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Dalekdino on April 23, 2016, 04:29:56 AM
I think that's just a cel of a scene on a different background.

I've seen some of the animation cels on different backgrounds then the ones from the actual film
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Sneak on April 23, 2016, 05:33:23 AM
yes, it is.

it's the very first scene with grown Littlefoot
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Ducky123 on April 23, 2016, 10:25:03 AM
The background looks like that scene where Cera slides down into the big underground...
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: F-14 Ace on April 23, 2016, 10:35:10 PM
It's obviously edited.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Tyrannosaur on April 24, 2016, 04:46:23 AM
I found a copy of the McDonalds VHS on eBay. according to several sources I found online, it contains some of the removed scenes. I don't know if anyone else has already checked this copy of the movie, but it was only 6 bucks so I just bought it lol.

Once I get it and a VHS player, I will take a look at it. Not getting my hopes up, sadly.

EDIT: Just got the package and checked the runtime. It says 1 hour, 9 minutes so there's probably nothing there as far as extended scenes. When i pick up a VHS player i will pop it in and verify. The box is still factory-sealed from original release!
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Hypno on August 26, 2016, 06:46:32 PM
Quote from: Tyrannosaur,Apr 24 2016 on  03:46 AM
I found a copy of the McDonalds VHS on eBay. according to several sources I found online, it contains some of the removed scenes. I don't know if anyone else has already checked this copy of the movie, but it was only 6 bucks so I just bought it lol.

Once I get it and a VHS player, I will take a look at it. Not getting my hopes up, sadly.

EDIT: Just got the package and checked the runtime. It says 1 hour, 9 minutes so there's probably nothing there as far as extended scenes. When i pick up a VHS player i will pop it in and verify. The box is still factory-sealed from original release!
Any news on that yet?
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Coyote_A on August 26, 2016, 07:08:49 PM
Quote from: Hypnobrai,Aug 27 2016 on  02:46 AM
Any news on that yet?
I'm sure that if Tyrannosaur found anything of interest they'd share it with the rest of us. :)
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Ducky123 on August 28, 2016, 05:52:02 AM
It's always the same story, isn't it? A lot of wind about nothing...

I had a huge drive to find some more info about the outcut scenes some weeks ago, spent hours searching the web for anything, even looked at finnish websites but nothing...
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Sneak on August 28, 2016, 03:07:01 PM
Quote from: Ducky123,Aug 28 2016 on  12:52 PM
I had a huge drive to find some more info about the outcut scenes some weeks ago, spent hours searching the web for anything, even looked at finnish websites but nothing...
my every-year tradition...

last time I did it at winter.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Belmont2500 on September 08, 2016, 02:33:40 PM
Here's the verdict:

A few of the deleted scenes showed up in adverts(such as the Pizza Hut one) and books based on the first film.

Spielberg either has the footage locked in a vault somewhere or it was destroyed all the way back in '87 or '88 when they decided ultimately not to use it.

The idea that there's a tape or recording out there with the alleged Oasis scene is a dubious one, what I've been able to find is that it was probably cut early in the filming process, meaning it would not have been animated or voiced, if it even existed at all.

There here shots that were obviously cut and it can be scene in parts of the film(such as the Forging For Food scene).

What left is there to find? Its really all but speculation now.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Coyote_A on September 08, 2016, 05:18:55 PM
Quote from: Belmont2500,Sep 8 2016 on  10:33 PM
...its was destroyed all the way back in '87 or '88 when they decided ultimately not to use it.
Or maybe it was lost in the Universal Studio lot fire back in 2008. Which is also a sad possibility. :(
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Sneak on September 08, 2016, 06:04:16 PM
Somebody please tell me:

- why they made, drew, and colored scenes, and only after that they cut them, throwing hard work of animators into trash bin?

- why they had to close eyes on giant work of animators who brought these scenes to life, and DESTROY them, and not include them into behind scenes/extensions, where no scared small children who runs out of cinema hall, crying?
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Ducky123 on September 09, 2016, 11:51:30 AM
Quote
Here's the verdict:

A few of the deleted scenes showed up in adverts(such as the Pizza Hut one) and books based on the first film.

Spielberg either has the footage locked in a vault somewhere or it was destroyed all the way back in '87 or '88 when they decided ultimately not to use it.

The idea that there's a tape or recording out there with the alleged Oasis scene is a dubious one, what I've been able to find is that it was probably cut early in the filming process, meaning it would not have been animated or voiced, if it even existed at all.

There here shots that were obviously cut and it can be scene in parts of the film(such as the Forging For Food scene).

What left is there to find? Its really all but speculation now.
Yeah, the oasis scene is the most obscure part of the cut scenes. Indeed, we don't even know if it was ever animated to begin with (maybe there are still some storyboards like the ones that had been posted online a while ago from the Sharptooth attack scene?) and for the other scenes.... well, we do know some snippets and most of what was supposed to be on screen. The only thing that's missing is really a full, uncut version of the movie. Not that it's likely to see that... but it's what we're still missing, right?

Quote
Somebody please tell me:

- why they made, drew, and colored scenes, and only after that they cut them, throwing hard work of animators into trash bin?

- why they had to close eyes on giant work of animators who brought these scenes to life, and DESTROY them, and not include them into behind scenes/extensions, where no scared small children who runs out of cinema hall, crying?
It's beyond my knowledge :( As far as I know, the cut scenes were considered too scary for children and/or not significant enough so they were cut.
Another possibility is that they cut everything that was about racism (like the oasis scene, the scene where they found Spike or the scene where they're eating the food). All of them had possible racist themes:
1. Oasis scene: Speaks for itself, this scene was there to point out the stupidity of racism. The Gang soon proved that working together despite their differences in species got them food which leads us to:
2. Food scene: We know there's also a decent amount of footage that was cut from the film. In one of the trailers, Ducky is seen hugging Littlefoot and Spike before/while they eat. Who knows what else there might have been in this scene but maybe they talk about that oasis scene which is why it was cut as well. The cut is pretty obvious if you look at the scene by the way...
3. Scene when they find Spike: Well, we do know that Cera wasn't so happy about Spike coming along. This scene had potential for racist talk too so that's probably why it was cut.
That's my theory anyway (part of that has also been mentioned/theoreticised in previous discussion I do believe)

I'm completely calling for this as well, Snik. Such masterpieces of art that were made with so much love, passion and, of course, countless hours of work, simply mustn't be thrown away. Why they didn't include it as bonus material, only heaven knows...  :(petrie
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Coyote_A on September 09, 2016, 12:23:44 PM
It also may had something to do with runtime restrictions.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Ducky123 on September 10, 2016, 05:14:23 AM
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It also may had something to do with runtime restrictions.
You mean that they shortened the film because of the attention span of children being rather... short?

Well, it's also a possible explanation but I'm not sure if this is true for all children. From my experience, if my parents hadn't always told me not to watch TV for too long, I would've spent all day in front of it and my cousins are no exception there. You can leave them alone for hours when they're watching TV and they'll still be watching when you come back :p

Now I'm not sure if this is the kind of attention span we're looking for of course but I've never felt like it is very significant (Even as a kid, I always wished these movies were longer  :lol )
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Tyrannosaur on September 13, 2016, 02:24:15 PM
Quote from: Coyote_A,Aug 26 2016 on  03:08 PM
Quote from: Hypnobrai,Aug 27 2016 on  02:46 AM
Any news on that yet?
I'm sure that if Tyrannosaur found anything of interest they'd share it with the rest of us. :)
I definitely would :)

I haven't found a VHS player to test it with yet. When I do, I will check the VHS tape. I'm not hopeful, though. The tape has a runtime of 1 hour, 9 minutes. That's the official runtime for the cut version of the movie.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Coyote_A on September 13, 2016, 03:37:55 PM
Well, who knows. Maybe the box cover is lying and it actually has some extra scenes included with the movie itself. ;)
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Sneak on September 13, 2016, 03:58:20 PM
anyway, still hoping for miracle
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Belmont2500 on September 17, 2016, 09:08:30 PM
Quote from: Snik,Sep 13 2016 on  02:58 PM
anyway, still hoping for miracle
Aye, its possible that footage of at least one of the scenes survived.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Phantom on November 06, 2016, 01:15:49 PM
I was thinking it might be nice to have a gallery of all the deleted scene fragments.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Sneak on March 20, 2017, 04:46:03 PM
It's time for my every-year useless search for uncut original LBT and other stuff in internets!!! :D
yay!
Wish me luck.

FIIIIIIIIIIIIIINLAAAAAAAND! I"M COMING!!!
side note:http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/The-Land-...id/12169/page/3 (http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/The-Land-Before-Time-1988-full-original-uncut-version/id/12169/page/3)
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Actually, there is a lot of nudity in the movie. Not a single one of the characters in it wears any clothes, and they're mostly children, for Pete's sake.
*Cera makes faceplm*


Side note 2:
Did you know true purpose of creation LBT14?
It was made to free occupied Finland (and Poland) from armies of lbt fans who assaulted and stalked every cetimeter of country for year.

Side note 3:
I think I went insane again...
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: ADFan185 on March 20, 2017, 09:29:06 PM
Rumors say those are gone for good that the deleted Sences can't be located. But I wish you luck on trying to find them.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Hypno on June 06, 2017, 08:56:33 PM
I wonder how long this movie would have been if none of the scenes were cut during production at all. I'd say the movie would be ten times better than it already is if it had all the cut scenes. All I can do is try to picture the stills or the completely cut stuff (like the 19 seconds that were cut from the Mama Longneck vs Sharptooth fight) that we've got and try to picture them in the movie in my head...
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: ADFan185 on June 06, 2017, 11:06:38 PM
Maybe an hour and twenty nine minutes or a bit longer or less. It's a shame that we'll never see the cut footage of this movie.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Sneak on June 07, 2017, 02:44:58 AM
honestly, since I had nightmares about Sharptooth in childhood, if ll scenes were in film, I think I would really be scared and feel uneasy more.
But it doesn' matter, since creators could just release full uncut version for more adult auditory.

BUT WHAT THEY DID TO IT INSTEAD IS UNFORGIVABLE!!!
:/
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: ADFan185 on June 07, 2017, 05:03:05 AM
Hopefully they do release it soon it would Be awesome if they did
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Ducky123 on June 07, 2017, 08:47:03 AM
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BUT WHAT THEY DID TO IT INSTEAD IS UNFORGIVABLE!!!
:/
Yep, yep, yep :(
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Sneak on June 07, 2017, 09:04:40 AM
Quote from: Ducky123,Jun 7 2017 on  03:47 PM
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BUT WHAT THEY DID TO IT INSTEAD IS UNFORGIVABLE!!!
:/
Yep, yep, yep :(
I even have a video where I'm screaming "I WILL SUE WITH SPIELBERG AND LUCAS!!!"

I so want to contact with someone like mr. Pudleiner and ask for posting more productional storyboards at least...
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Hypno on June 07, 2017, 04:02:17 PM
Quote from: ADFan185,Jun 7 2017 on  04:03 AM
Hopefully they do release it soon it would Be awesome if they did
Don Bluth said it was lost, so it most likely won't be released as an uncut film or anything.

I was thinking that someone could rearrange the scenes from the film to (somewhat) replicate the original ending. They could screen record the film for themselves, and then edit and rearrange the scenes from the recorded video to replicate the original ending. They would mostly just have to move the scene where Littlefoot finds the Great Valley by himself and place it in between the scene where he goes a different direction than his friends and where he comes to rescue them. The cut bits though (like the 39 seconds ((I believe)), the part where he tells his friends that he found the Great Valley, and the parts where he further explains the reasons why they must kill Sharptooth ((possibly)) ) obviously cannot be fit in. I guess all we get is the soundtrack of those scenes  :neutral
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Hypno on June 25, 2017, 12:39:05 PM
Here is the response from that e-mail that Sovereign sent to Mark Pudleiner:

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I asked the one of the owners and producer Gary Goldman.
This is his reply.
- Mark


" Though it was approved at the storyboard stage. It was at a screening in April or May of 1988 just 6 months before completion of the film at a a 20th Century Fox theater in Soho Square, London, with just Don, John, me, Steven and his first wife and George in one of the small 30 seat theaters. The problem is that when it was edited, cutting 19 scenes out - including audio, by one of Steven’s favorite editors at Pinewood Studios in England, it was mainly the T-Rex shots (scenes to me) of full head shots with wide open mouths, attacking into the lens of the camera at the child dinosaurs as they took cover in the briars. However, it was less than a minute lost sections of the T-Rex attack and the kids. Steven and George both felt that those scenes would have triggered an audience of 4 and 5 year olds crying and having their mothers and fathers holding them in their arms in the lobby waiting for a safe time to take their kids back to their seats. Those cuts remained, the tiny short cuts were taped together and rolled and we took them back to Dublin. However, we never saved the prints or the negatives for those scenes, all were animated and cleaned up, many of which were in color.
The additional 10+ minutes of cuts came after we finished the film. Steven and the same editor, who had been fast-tracked to get a green card, to move to Burbank and work with Spielberg there at Amblin on the Universal lot on other projects. Steven continued to edit the film to be sure it would not disturb parents or their children. I believe we delivered an 80 to 82 minute film including all credits. The final edited length was 69 minutes, the same as Bambi (1942).
Best,

Gary "

Alright, so, we learned some things from the message sent to Mr. Pudleiner:

- He asked producer Gary Goldman, strangely. Pudleiner was an animator for the film, so it's odd since you'd think he'd have some knowledge of this stuff himself. It's almost like our response was from him and not Pudleiner...

- Goldman had confirmed when the Sharptooth scenes were first cut out- April or May of 1988, just a mere six or seven months before release. This makes me think that if the film wasn't delayed in 1987 from late 1987 to late 1988, maybe the scenes would have been in the film if it was released then?
   - The scenes WERE approved in the storyboard stage, but at a screening at a 20th Century Fox theater in Soho Square, London, Steven Spielberg and George Lucas had felt that the Sharptooth scenes would be too scary for children, and that their parents would have to carry them into the lobby before eventually returning them to their seats.
   - The cut parts of the scene with Sharptooth attacking the children was under a minute in length.
   - We also learned where these cuts happened, at Pinewood Studios in England.
   - These Sharptooth cuts were taken back to Dublin, but weren't saved unfortunately. Many of them were actually fully animated and in color! That is something new. Currently, we only have the storyboard drawings from mostly the thorn scene, and a couple of cels, but I had no idea in the slightest that most were actually animated! I thought they were cut pretty early on, but I guess not :)
This might mean that the long-rumored scene of Sharptooth ripping Littlefoot's mother's back open was animated. It does excite me a little, as it may be possible that all the fully animated scenes may be found someday :D

- The rest of the 10+ minutes of cuts were done after completion of the film (meaning mostly all the cuts happened after the soundtrack was created). But how many minutes total were cut from the soundtrack? We should check AMCAlmaron's analysis for that, as he did some really great searching for where and when lost scenes may have happened in the film.

- Goldman said that the original runtime was to be 80-82 minutes. That means 11-13 minutes must have been cut, not 10!

If I missed anything, or said something that was off, please tell me and I will fix it.
Thanks to Mark Pudleiner, Gary Goldman, and of course fellow member Sovereign for composing the message in the first place!  :)littlefoot

Wow, that was long, someone better thank me for this analysis  :p
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Sovereign on June 25, 2017, 03:08:06 PM
Great job in summing up the message's main points, Hypnobrai!  :yes It is a good idea to gather every piece of information we have about the scenes and this one pretty much says everything we discovered. Also, good job in updating the wiki!

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Wow, that was long, someone better thank me for this analysis  dino_tongue.gif

Well, thanks because you asked...  :p No, really, you deserve the thanks for this great summary!  :)
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Hypno on June 25, 2017, 03:42:41 PM
Well, that's what I'm there to do on the wiki  ;)
Ever since I joined, I've been making sure I get as much info on there about the scenes as I can, and removing false information, but I can't forget about the Sharptooth articles  :p
As you know I care for my sharpteeth over there.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Hypno on June 28, 2017, 01:06:08 PM
Quote from: tad10,Aug 31 2015 on  05:13 PM
Found these two new sharptooth cels...

(http://s4.postimg.org/71c4kp1rx/image.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/ccr15enuh/full/)
another cut scene at the end...?!

(http://s4.postimg.org/60bvvkksd/lf2.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/pi6jbihq1/full/)
dunno where this one fits in but its a Don Bluth original cel!
I'm gonna just say something so nobody is forever confused. That second cel isn't a cut scene for sure. It's the part where Sharptooth is sliding down towards Littlefoot and Cera during the earthquake, here. (https://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/landbeforetime/images/e/ee/Sharptooth_sliding.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20170613010000)
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Sneak on June 28, 2017, 01:19:42 PM
my lovely Tyran! ^^

I have seen second cell in some market year ago.
I think first one was in the film, though... not?
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Hypno on June 28, 2017, 03:46:54 PM
I don't remember the angle or anything.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Sneak on June 28, 2017, 05:24:38 PM
*rewatching my favorite movie*

You're right. Not in such angle.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Tyrannosaur on July 31, 2017, 01:47:11 AM
I have an idea...

Its possible to change your region in the iTunes store. Its a longshot, but one of them might contain the uncut version. I have already looked in a few of them, namely Finland.

There are a lot of regions. Its too much for one person to do. Maybe if people wanted to organize which regions they would check, a full sweep of all of iTunes could be done.

Something to think about.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Sneak on July 31, 2017, 03:37:42 AM
*detects catalyst word*
fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnllaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanddd!!!!!!!

I doubt there's digutal/online version of uncut LBT... Though it doesn't stop me to make every-year search for it at the beginning of each year.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Sovereign on July 31, 2017, 03:42:20 AM
It's funny how some people think Finland is a wonderland to finding the uncut version of LBT. :p  Believe me, you can't just walk to a store and buy the full version. Also, there's pretty much no chance you'd find it in the internet.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Sneak on July 31, 2017, 04:12:37 AM
Quote from: Sovereign,Jul 31 2017 on  10:42 AM
It's funny how some people think Finland is a wonderland to finding the uncut version of LBT. :p Believe me, you can't just walk to a store and buy the full version.
:lol  :lol
yeah, Finland became my personal meme because of it.

I even "wrote" two-years story about how REAL army of LBT fans invided Finland, searching for copy of uncut LBT. And after two years, when Finland's forces were ready to give up... That guy leaked information about LBT 14 production, and everybody went home.  :rolleyes   :rolleyes



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Also, there's pretty much no chance you'd find it in the internet

ahemdogsahemheavenahem
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Hypno on February 11, 2018, 01:54:37 PM
I FOUND NEW INFORMATION FROM THE ORIGINAL SCRIPT

First three images are in the final movie, the rest is literally all dialogue from cut scenes. There's even three new ones I discovered that no one had known about ever before! :D

(https://i.imgur.com/ckMcy2u.png)
This script is from April/May 1987.

(https://i.imgur.com/0kUdAQj.png)
Littlefoot and his mom - this is in the final movie. Back when this script existed he was still named Thunderfoot.

(https://i.imgur.com/s0mmpkH.png)
Meeting Petrie - this is in the final movie.

(https://i.imgur.com/UjIhq2I.jpg)
This is the dialogue of the scene where Ducky lures Spike with berries.

(https://i.imgur.com/tbRbrXd.jpg)
A never-before-seen scene in which Cera acts as the leader and eats a bunch of flowers, not letting Ducky have any.

(https://i.imgur.com/jfc7SnO.jpg)
Dialogue from the Oasis Scene. This is proof that it was going to be part of the film. The crownhead's name was going to be Clifford.

(https://i.imgur.com/rLZ95w9.jpg)
Oasis Scene continued.

(https://i.imgur.com/1D6l83X.jpg)
Never-before-seen scene of Littlefoot and Cera arguing.

(https://i.imgur.com/FTww7iO.jpg)
The extended planning scene where Littlefoot explains why they must kill Sharptooth - because he's near the Great Valley. This ties to the original ending.

(https://i.imgur.com/pu4skPB.jpg)
A never-before-seen scene of Cera introducing Littlefoot to her dad.



So what do you guys think about this? I didn't even need to storm Finland for these :lol  :lol  :lol
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Hypno on February 11, 2018, 01:55:10 PM
One more (limit of 10 images and there were 11 so)

(https://i.imgur.com/L0BIzag.jpg)
An extension of the final shot. This reveals there was even more after Littlefoot says "Now we'll always be together."
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Sovereign on February 11, 2018, 04:23:08 PM
That's a really awesome find! :wow It's especially great that there's even some truly new scenes included here, further showing what kind of scenes were lost. It seems Cera was even more bossy than she appeared in the final version. :p Most of these scenes look really promising and it only makes it harder to accept I'll never see them! Especially the last shot seems like a really nice way to end the film. However, some of the scenes feel rather short here, for example the Cera/Littlefoot fight, as if the script doesn't cover the whole sequence. I wonder why?

Where did you get these scripts? They're the best find here in years! :)
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Hypno on February 11, 2018, 04:48:44 PM
Some user named Disneysaurus on the Land Before Time wiki uploaded them and didn't even post them anywhere, so they were about to get buried by new uploaded images. I decided to save them and we asked him where they came from. He said they came from "havesomedisney tumblr" (he wouldn't link it so I got a little suspicious). I assumed he meant a Tumblr blog, so I eventually found it. I went to "Don Bluth Index" -> "The Land Before Time" and then it shows the posts with the script. It isn't the full thing, that's what makes me curious.
Here's all three blog posts (language in other stuff aside from the post, as a warning):

https://havesomedisney.tumblr.com/post/148949850244/script-to-screen-the-land-before-time-pt-1 (https://havesomedisney.tumblr.com/post/148949850244/script-to-screen-the-land-before-time-pt-1)
https://havesomedisney.tumblr.com/post/164716614854/script-to-screen-the-land-before-time-pt-2 (https://havesomedisney.tumblr.com/post/164716614854/script-to-screen-the-land-before-time-pt-2)
https://havesomedisney.tumblr.com/post/164717392614/script-to-screen-the-land-before-time-pt-3 (https://havesomedisney.tumblr.com/post/164717392614/script-to-screen-the-land-before-time-pt-3)
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Sovereign on February 11, 2018, 05:13:15 PM
Are the pictures in the blog posts from the official books or are they, too, completely new stuff we've never seen before? This guy seems to know a lot about the production of LBT and the abundance of material in his posts pretty much proves he's not a hoax which is very interesting...
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Hypno on February 11, 2018, 05:57:07 PM
The other images and the gifs? No, those are not new. The gifs are from advertisements and the images are cels that surfaced on the Internet and others are from the books. But even the blog post helped me learn something - the scene with Cera and the flowers must have been the parts of the movie in which If We Hold On Together would play. Remember how the song is in the middle of the soundtrack? The scenes in which the song plays were cut out and the song was just put in the credits.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Sneak on February 11, 2018, 06:14:58 PM
O_O

DUDE! I CAN'T DESCRIBE HOW MUCH THANKS I WANT TO TELL FOR THESE FINDINGS!!! :D
(dammit, it' 16 days before starting Finland storm! XD)
And dammit, it is from 2016??? :/ I need to search more carefully this time...


This script is just wonderful! ^^

1. Dammit, I so want to be on that meeting. ^^
2. Nice describing of the scene! ^^
3. Wait, there's no last lines in the movie! :D And why there's WHISTLE every time Petrie speaks? XD lol
4. I remember there's almost exact text in the book, If I'm right, but cool!
5. Bitchy Cera, as always. :/
6-7. Almost exact the same in the book. Hmm, they named that character? Awesome! :D
8. This scene adds more sense to Cera's action. A bit. Still, it's nice addition. And away from bright circle... after that, talking about Litttlefoot's mother starts very quickly.
9. The same was in the book, as I remember. Perfect addition!
10. "He's my best friend". O_o o_O O_O *takes back my words and hugs threehorn girl* THIS IS SO GREAT!
11.PERFECT ENDING!!!!

Heh, somebody can include these lines to movie, novelizations. Right? :D *winks*

Ok, now...
*searches internet for more potential new information. And lies to bed with FRIGGIN GREATEST MOOD!*
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Sovereign on February 11, 2018, 06:18:22 PM
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But even the blog post helped me learn something - the scene with Cera and the flowers must have been the parts of the movie in which If We Hold On Together would play.

Why? While the song's place in the soundtrack is very odd, I can't see how these two things are linked. :unsure: Also, is this picture an old one too? It seems rather strictly-drawn for the described scene (albeit in a less serious way) and I cannot remember seeing it before. It seems to be from one of the books but if that's the case, they had another deleted scene we never knew about! :)littlefoot

(https://78.media.tumblr.com/4837036be71a02c8000babfff5a8b4a2/tumblr_inline_oveo71bfRL1ry3eev_500.jpg)
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Hypno on February 11, 2018, 06:49:31 PM
That looks likes the ending shot with Littlefoot's mother's ghost in the sky, yes.

Well, I feel the scene with the flowers and Cera has If We Hold On Together playing in the background for these reasons

- The image says "Travel Montage" at the top, perfect for a song to play in most movies
- The flower scene seems to be about in the middle of the movie (possibly after the gang find the Rock That Looks Like a Longneck), the song is also in the middle of the soundtrack
- The Lost Media Archive wiki and AMCAlmaron (a guy who did a soundtrack comparison with the final film and cut scenes) believes If We Hold On Together must play at a certain point
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Sneak on February 11, 2018, 07:33:09 PM
this picture is last picture from LBT Illustrated story book, as I rememeber.

Also, couldn't sleep, so I have finished reading article of this mysterious dude now.
hmmm
Who is this dude? Where did he take script from? Why he didn't post full script?..
So many unanswered questions...
Will try to find more somewhere...
And If nobody finds anything new... we have potential candidate for sending new letter like we did recently.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Flathead770 on February 12, 2018, 01:53:23 AM
This is a fantastic find. Great job Hypno! :DD
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Sovereign on February 12, 2018, 12:04:42 PM
Those are fair points, Hypno, but how does If We Hold on Together fit a scene with Cera being a total jerk? Also, that sequence doesn't seem to be longer than a minute, a lot less than the song. Moreover, a 4-minute musical part in the middle of a 70-minute (with the cut scenes) film seems a bit odd as a whole, to be honest.

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Why he didn't post full script?..

Well, these seem to be the results of only one story meeting so it makes sense that his posts didn't contain the whole script if this is all he has. Even then, the question about who he is remains. It seems possible to contact the poster on tumblr without an account but I guess it would be a plus if we didn't ask him anonymously. Does anyone have a tumblr account?
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Hypno on February 12, 2018, 06:39:43 PM
I've got one, maybe I could ask him. But I need to know what you'd guys would like for me to ask him first.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Sneak on February 13, 2018, 04:29:20 AM
Did anyone try to find more about this movie script, on different sites?
I don't mind to ask this guy if we don't find anything by ourselves first.
Let's just not rush, there's plenty people we can try to ask. :D
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Sneak on February 19, 2018, 12:07:05 PM
Payday today! ^^ I checked site, and...
Dammit, this ScriptFly doesn't have Paypal or some other pay system? :/
Anybody going to buy it now?

Also, I wonder: Nobody break some law if he/she posts here this script "for free"?
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Ducky123 on February 19, 2018, 04:01:25 PM
H-how did I miss this?! This is stunning information! xD
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Sneak on February 20, 2018, 01:16:03 PM
Quote from: Sneak on Feb 19 2018, 11:07:05 AM
Payday today! ^^ I checked site, and...
Dammit, this ScriptFly doesn't have Paypal or some other pay system? :/
Anybody going to buy it now?

Also, I wonder: Nobody break some law if he/she posts here this script "for free"?

Edit: nevermind, my fan addiction didn't give me a chance... so I have just bought it. :[
waiting for results...
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Sneak on February 21, 2018, 11:38:26 AM
Today I was listening OST again, and decided to check again lenght of last track in OST, "end credits" with lenght of actual end credits... They're exact equal, second by second.
So, if If We Hold On Together wasn't somewhere in the middle of the movie before they decided to cut end credits tune and replace it with this beautiful song... Where was it? Could it be recorded and placed in the veeeeeery end, and added to soundtrack?
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Sovereign on February 21, 2018, 03:47:46 PM
Thanks a lot, Snik! :) I'll look forward to seeing what the script holds, if you decide to share it. On another positive note, I received an answer from Krieger! Without further words, here's his message.

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Dear ...,

Due to the extremely long time it takes to make an animated feature film -- especially back in the '80s when many of the cels were still hand-drawn, we began work on the original LBT in 1985. Over the three years of development, many scenes came and went and some sequences were actually animated but later cut for various reasons -- most of which had to do with pacing.
     In the very beginning, Steven Spielberg and George Lucas conceived the film as having no dialogue to keep it more realistic. As we worked on the story, we realized that it would be very hard to keep a young audience's attention without the characters being able to speak and show personalities beyond what we could convey through movement alone. Once we agreed that the dinosaurs had to speak, it became much easier for their personalities to take shape: Ducky's exuberance, Cera's stubbornness, Spike's laziness, etc.
      There are two cut sequences that I do remember. One involved trying to show Cera's softer side so we understood that her bravado and toughness were a front to allow her to assert herself in the pack of guys. The sequence had her lagging behind the others when she came upon a flower growing up out of the cracked earth. She stopped, nuzzled it, sniffed it, reveled in it -- and then when Littlefoot turned back to look for her, she instantly STOMPED on the flower and kicked it away to keep from being accused of being "soft." Ultimately Steven felt that the sequence slowed the story down and wasn't needed.
     The other piece (and somewhere in my files I have the original storyboards for this bit,) was a little comic relief involving a mama bird feeding cherries to her babies. The baby birds bobble and fumble the cherry knocking it from one to the other; it was just a light moment to go between all the challenges our heroes were facing on their journey. That, too, got cut because it didn't actually progress the plot and everyone decided it was better to keep the story clipping along for the young attention span.

Hope this is of interest to you and your group.

Best,

Stu Krieger
Professor
Department of Theatre, Film & Digital Production
University of California, Riverside
INTS 2122

So, we have another two scenes we never knew about! The Cera scene sounds similar to what Hypno's screenshots describe but its content is different. That being said, it's great to receive another bunch of information. :)littlefoot

Edit: This post can be removed as I posted it in the wrong thread.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Hypno on February 21, 2018, 04:02:30 PM
Interesting...I thought that second one is in the movie though (with the baby pterosaurs and the berry?). It must be a different scene because it doesn’t sound like the one Krieger described.

Oh yeah, I think you should post this in the other topic, I’m not sure if this is the right one.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Sneak on February 21, 2018, 05:33:17 PM
just in case if you wrongly understood: I still didn't receive script, it is said it would take above 24 hours, so it was only my thoughts about IFHOT song. :D

Wow, we get new and new small pieces of the whole picture! Thank you for sending this letter, Sovereign, and thank you for respond, mr. Krieger!
Well, who knows, maybe there was another light "break" scenes that involved flyer's family... Anyway, I would like to look at these original storyboards. :3 MORE STORIBOARDS! MORE SCENES! XD
As for Cera's scene... Dammit, in past week, I started to like LBT1 Cera's more and more! :O (And what the fuuuuuu, Spielberg&Lucas, you again do this... T-T)
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Sneak on February 23, 2018, 11:03:37 AM
Quote
Quote
Payday today! ^^ I checked site, and...
Dammit, this ScriptFly doesn't have Paypal or some other pay system? :/
Anybody going to buy it now?

Also, I wonder: Nobody break some law if he/she posts here this script "for free"?

So I succesfully bought and got script, so, emm, maybe this post will be finally responded? XD

Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Sovereign on February 23, 2018, 12:28:09 PM
I simply don't know. It would feel weird that sharing the script would be a crime if we are to free to share screenshots of the films which also required someone to pay for them (in theory), but I'm not an expert in Maryland property laws. :p
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: zero-point on February 23, 2018, 12:33:49 PM
Isn't there a Terms of Service bundled with the PDF file? I guess a company/website like this would state information, such as sharing and disclosure in a Terms of Service document somewhere, which should reveal if it's legal or not to share it openly. I'm going to look after this.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: zero-point on February 23, 2018, 12:47:01 PM
I have read through their FAQ and Policies, and I couldn't find anything that would prohibit sharing the received script, neither in physical, nor digital form.

https://www.scriptfly.com/screenplays/orderinfo.html#Policies (https://www.scriptfly.com/screenplays/orderinfo.html#Policies)
https://www.scriptfly.com/faqs.html (https://www.scriptfly.com/faqs.html)
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Sneak on February 23, 2018, 04:22:00 PM
Thank you!!! Just, a lot of English words and my lazyness didn't allow me to fully understand it. XD

Well, in this case... As "present" to all guys (and gals!) of today Defender of the Fatherland Day celebration...

ENJOY (https://drive.google.com/open?id=194ERbXiImSdBJJRfn96ZVxJS0Txsr04T)

 :)littlefoot

( still reading it, but some new more emotional and desperate speeches of characters make me cry :'3 )
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Hypno on February 23, 2018, 05:08:02 PM
WHAT

I'm reading this!!!
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Littlefoot505 on February 23, 2018, 05:11:43 PM
Quote from: Hypno on Feb 23 2018, 04:08:02 PM
WHAT

I'm reading this!!!
I'm totally gonna read it too! I've been kind of a lurker in this thread.
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Sovereign on February 23, 2018, 06:04:47 PM
This is absolutely awesome! :wow I've looked the whole thing through briefly (have to read it thoroughly in the coming days) and I'd say this is the biggest find in terms of the deleted scenes thus far! It was really enjoyable to see the film like its creators intended it but the way the story was originally going to flow was this piece's biggest offering, imo. It seems like the oasis scene was a good deal later than intended and the travel montage and original founding of the Valley could have been absolutely amazing scenes! The latter part of the film is totally gutted (which we had expected) and this version of the film would have worked much better than our cut! The changed dialogue was quite interesting to see too. However, some parts seemed rather cheesy, like the original "hug scene" and I'm happier with our current dialogue. Thank you so much, Sneak! This was an absolutely amazing script and I cannot overstate how happy I am that you shared it with us! :)littlefoot  ^^spike
Title: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Hypno on February 23, 2018, 06:34:42 PM
Quote from: Sovereign on Feb 23 2018, 05:04:47 PM
This is absolutely awesome! :wow I've looked the whole thing through briefly (have to read it thoroughly in the coming days) and I'd say this is the biggest find in terms of the deleted scenes thus far! It was really enjoyable to see the film like its creators intended it but the way the story was originally going to flow was this piece's biggest offering, imo. It seems like the oasis scene was a good deal later than intended and the travel montage and original founding of the Valley could have been absolutely amazing scenes! The latter part of the film is totally gutted (which we had expected) and this version of the film would have worked much better than our cut! The changed dialogue was quite interesting to see too. However, some parts seemed rather cheesy, like the original "hug scene" and I'm happier with our current dialogue. Thank you so much, Sneak! This was an absolutely amazing script and I cannot overstate how happy I am that you shared it with us! :)littlefoot  ^^spike
This is GROUNDBREAKING information. So much that maybe it deserves its own special topic :yes
Title: Re: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Sergeant Burker on June 30, 2018, 01:59:46 PM
I don't know if I should tell about my experience with these uncut scenes, because I have already in my "Introduction" post. I shouldn't, I'll just keep it to myself for now. Plus I don't want to start up another flame war/attention on this topic, right?
Title: Re: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Sneak on July 02, 2018, 04:55:25 PM
moved from Sergant's welcoming thread.

http://www.gangoffive.net/index.php?topic=16032.msg468140#msg468140

Can't add anything - if you, Sergant, believe you still have different rare version of LBT1, no matter what quality it is - it betetr should be re-recorded in any way to digital video. :)

So when you travel to your other home next time...
Title: Re: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Ducky123 on July 02, 2018, 05:02:57 PM
If you have those scenes, SHARE them  :Mo
Title: Re: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Littlefoot505 on July 03, 2018, 12:25:36 AM
If you have those scenes, SHARE them  :Mo
PLEASE DO!!!!! :DD :Mo
Title: Re: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Hypno on July 03, 2018, 11:25:22 AM
I hope there's something too but it's incredibly unlikely. We all know for a fact that the scenes were never released, some of them were also not even finished. Sometimes we have clear memories of things that we think we know about but don't just because we read something. Perhaps you read up about the deleted scenes for the first time and immediately think "Oh wait, I think I remember that on my old VHS" and then two things happen:

1. The VHS has no cut scenes on it

2. It doesn't happen to work (some people are truthful of this, though it's possible that others do lie)

We've and I myself have been through this so many times, and nothing has ever come of it. I'm not saying not to check the VHS but I'm just being realistic - the scenes weren't even included in the McDonalds pre-release VHS. That was debunked years ago at the time when it was rumored to have deleted scenes in it. So I'm not too optimistic about this one but I hope the cut scenes are found somewhere, in a basement or storage where it is collecting dust. We found the script which is a huge piece of the puzzle that we never thought we would find, so those scenes have got to be out there.
Title: Re: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Sergeant Burker on July 03, 2018, 12:03:12 PM
Remember, I said it could just me remembering random things. So I could be wrong.

I don't think I was actually remembering, it's how I do.

So take me with a grain of salt, I could be wrong. And I expect to be wrong. It doesn't exist.
Title: Re: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Sneak on July 03, 2018, 01:12:51 PM
Nothing stops you to check. :P

And nothing stops us to believe..

it exists somewhere... snip snip
Title: Re: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Sergeant Burker on July 03, 2018, 01:25:48 PM
How about in the meantime, we discuss who voiced who in the English dub of Felidae? That's a mystery to be solved.

EDIT: I was being sarcastic there, but come on. That is some real mystery.
Title: Re: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: StardustSoldier on March 29, 2019, 10:28:19 PM
It's too bad that so much footage got left out. Although that's probably pretty common for films to have a lot of raw footage that later gets removed. Still, some of the cut parts would've benefitted the film, I think, like the full version of the Sharptooth chase, and the travel montage in the middle. Conversely, there are some things I think the final version did better.

The most glaring omission is probably Littlefoot finding the Great Valley on his own after the group splits up... but I actually think the version in the final cut works a little better. It just feels more narratively and emotionally satisfying to me to have Littlefoot seeing his mother in the clouds, and then finding the Great Valley, right at the very end with his friends after Sharptooth has been vanquished. Discovering the Great Valley earlier in the film might've dampened some of the tension.

Granted, the original ending gives more context as to why Littlefoot decides to go back for his friends. But even there, the fact that in the final version, he doesn't find the Great Valley and yet he still goes back for his friends anyway, it makes him into an even more heroic character.

I also agree with what Sovereign said on the previous page, that the original hugging scene wasn't as effective (it worked much better as the film's closing shot, imo), and some of the original dialogue wasn't as polished.

I would've enjoyed seeing the oasis scene, but I can also see why maybe they didn't want to make the themes of racism/species-ism too heavy-handed.

Overall, it doesn't seem to me like anything truly essential was missing from the story for the most part. Regardless, though, I would love to see the uncut version as much as any LBT fan, and it saddens me to think that the extra footage might be lost forever. Oh well. I'm grateful that we have the online script, at least, which gives us a pretty good idea of what the uncut version would've been like.



(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/lostmedia/images/3/36/Valley_2.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/500?cb=20150204190032)

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/lostmedia/images/f/fe/Littlefoot_Waterfall.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/500?cb=20150413022029)

There's something mysterious and hypnotically alluring about those cels of Littlefoot in the waterfall. That's one of the missing scenes I'd like to see the most.
Title: Re: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: StardustSoldier on April 10, 2019, 10:27:27 AM
^The second image is from the accompanying children's book, "The Search for the Great Valley", but does anyone know where the first image originated from? (I found it on the Lost Media Archive wiki, but it otherwise didn't say the origin.)
Title: Re: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Mumbling on April 11, 2019, 12:43:22 AM
The second image is from the accompanying children's book, "The Search for the Great Valley", but does anyone know where the first image originated from? (I found it on the Lost Media Archive wiki, but it otherwise didn't say the origin.)

I checked with Malte, who I believe is the one who posted both of these pictures back in the day. This was his response:
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I think I found it in two different spots. One was a movie slide and the other (more likely to be the source for this image) was in a little book (I think it was called either "Friends in need" or "the way to the Great Valley")

It can probably be found in this topic, with a little digging ;) I do agree it is a nice image!

Edit: typo
Title: Re: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Sneak on April 11, 2019, 05:34:31 AM
I'm very interested where first image is from.
It isn't from Friends in need book.
And it's in such good quality... *shivers*
maybe it's from Fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinlaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand
Title: Re: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: StardustSoldier on April 11, 2019, 02:06:22 PM
So I did do a little digging, and it turns out Malte did indeed post that waterfall image at the beginning of the thread. Despite being on the very first post, I somehow didn't notice that before, lol. Anyway, thanks. That clears up that mystery. Although the image itself I still find really mysterious for some reason.
Title: Re: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Mumbling on April 12, 2019, 12:46:42 AM
Ah no worries! The image links were broken in that first post until I fixed them yesterday afternoon, so it makes sense you didn't see it the first time around :D

However, the image you posted seems to be a higher quality one and I am not sure where it originates from.
Title: Re: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: StardustSoldier on April 12, 2019, 02:52:30 PM
Ah, okay, that's a feasible explanation then. I was wondering earlier, how on Earth did I miss that?  :lol

I didn't think of it before, but that's an interesting point about how the version I posted is higher quality. I wonder if it was originally released at the same time as the black-and-white movie slide, or if someone found a better quality colorized version years later. Even the colorized version signed by Gabriel Damon looks a little different from the one I posted. The water in the signed version is much more greenish.
Title: Re: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Pikkutassu on April 12, 2019, 03:05:46 PM
Ah no worries! The image links were broken in that first post until I fixed them yesterday afternoon, so it makes sense you didn't see it the first time around :D

However, the image you posted seems to be a higher quality one and I am not sure where it originates from.
I found it listed with other usual official pictures from some French "imdb" website, cinema something. Maybe a part of some official presskit?
Title: Re: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: StardustSoldier on April 12, 2019, 03:29:24 PM
Huh. Interesting. I might need to investigate this further.
Title: Re: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Hypno on June 09, 2019, 11:32:53 PM
Indeed there was a press kit released for the movie. It contains nine pictures - three of which are cels from the lost scenes. Littlefoot playing in the waterfall is one of them. It's likely that this is where the higher-quality cel image comes from. The first few posts in this thread also use pictures from the very same press kit, so its existence is not new (though to me it is). Below is a link an image of the press kit contents (the three cut scene stills have white and black borders in this image).

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/326140283630911499/587394921464594442/Tlbt_press_kit.png)
Title: Re: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: StardustSoldier on June 10, 2019, 01:56:14 AM
Thank you. This was all new information to me. The mystery of the waterfall, at least, I can lay to rest now.
Title: Re: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Anagnos on June 10, 2019, 06:11:36 AM
I'll say. I never was much into deleted content before but now I am. :)
Title: Re: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: StardustSoldier on June 10, 2019, 06:24:39 AM
I'm normally not into deleted content either, but the LBT missing scenes are just so fascinating to learn about.
Title: Re: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: ImpracticalDino on June 10, 2019, 04:47:23 PM
For some reason I'm interested in this kind of content too. But perhaps it's my unconditional love for the LBT series. :)
Nice find there, Hypno! I've personally seen some of these pictures on the LBT wiki itself, but it's nice to know the true origin of those.
Title: Re: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: landbt on August 23, 2019, 03:30:21 AM
Well count me as someone who definitely remembers seeing some of these scenes in a specific version/release years ago. It definitely was not every scene, and I don't believe I saw a release with all of the supposed deleted scenes but there was a version I saw with some of them. The only reason I'm sure its not my memory playing tricks on me is because I remember noticing the differences when I was kid and went to a neighbors house to watch the movie there and noticed some gaps compared to the one I watched at home. I remember the death scene of the T-Rex was longer as he was sinking deeper under water and that ducky making faces to get it's attention was in the version I watched as well. There may have been some other smaller details but those are the two I definitely remember being different.

As far as the actual type of release though my memory is less clear, we didn't keep the tapes in the cases very well. I believe the retail version we had was a clamshell as opposed the cardboard sleeve for vhs and we may have also had one taped from tv. We also owned a betamax earlier so it's possible it was even on that format. Not sure if anyone on here has been able to confirm with the Betamax since its so rare and old.

Anyways hope some day that additional content is found / released.
Title: Re: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: StardustSoldier on August 27, 2019, 03:28:47 PM
A disclaimer that none of this is meant as an accusation against landbt specifically, but I would like to chime in with my thoughts about the uncut version.

An uncut/extended release is one of those "I'll believe it when I see it" things. I just don't think it was ever released in any form or capacity, at least not publicly. Keep in mind that the film was already edited down by the time it arrived in theatres. If certain home copies of the film had been released afterwards which contained deleted/extended scenes, then surely someone would've come forward with their copy of the missing footage, and/or they would've found some way to archive it for other fans.

I have seen several comments elsewhere online from people who think they saw extended/alternate versions of the film as kids, but human memory is not always reliable. I would like to use this opportunity to link to this article about the Mandela Effect (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_memory#Commonly_held_false_memories). That, and when people say they watched a version of the film which contained extra footage, I notice that each time, the copy of the film that supposedly contained this footage no longer seems to be available or accessible.
Title: Re: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: landbt on August 29, 2019, 04:03:44 AM
Yea, for me its more the fact I just specifically remember the versions being different when I was a kid before I ever knew there was this debate about deleted scenes and such. Ultimately the burden of proof is on the person claiming to have seen it and prove it with the video though.

As a side note to the no longer available or accessible comment do keep in mind this film is 30 years old and many people would have replaced a lot of their media from that time with dvd's or digital content. I only mentioned the BetaMax as a suggestion as I know it was something we used to watch movies on and maybe was a format people here hadn't looked up before. I don't have a betamax player and I certainly don't want to spend a lot of money sourcing one of those old machines just to see if there's  anything on the old beta tapes I have. Unless anyone knows a place to source a super cheap BetaMax player.
Title: Re: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: StardustSoldier on August 29, 2019, 12:17:12 PM
Well regardless, I still hope something turns up someday.
Title: Re: Outcut land before time scenes
Post by: Pikkutassu on October 06, 2019, 03:51:29 PM
ducky making faces to get it's attention was in the version I watched as well. There may have been some other smaller details but those are the two I definitely remember being different.
Oh wow I didn't even realize this was missing, but apparently it is. Do you have any memory of this (https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/landbeforetime/images/9/94/3dinosaurcutscene.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20141002193552) scene happening after petrie climbs back up? For me that's the "proof" I have, since I was remembering this scene before I stumbled on this cel. And nobody had posted it here either.