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It seems like over the years we keep thinking we’ve found a VHS copy with the missing footage, and every time it just leads us to  a standard copy.

But what about that rumor that the uncut version was broadcast in Finland in the mid-90’s? Do we know for sure that it was just a rumor?

I am no expert on this since I was a small kid back then, but I have a faint memory of seeing the first Land Before Time on VHS when visiting a friend in the early 2000's, and I was wondering why they had changed some of the scenes. The VHS my friend had was the regular version, so either:
a) I had seen the uncut version as a kid before (not when it broadcastet, but on tape. We used to record a lot of shows and movies on VHS tapes)
b) I didn't remember how the movie went / mixed it up with some other movie.

Maybe the latter is more likely, considering that I don't remember much about my childhood in the 90's. But, I know for sure that this is a topic that Finnish fans also talk about. Mostly I've seen it on toy collector forums/FB pages, so it's not necessarily that insightful, but I remember taking a part in a few conversations. Usually they end with a statement like "I hope that someone had recorded it on tape and still have it saved somewhere." So, I would say that it is a myth until someone can provide footage of it :\


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This thread has been pretty quiet this year, but at least there hasn’t been another false hope of coming across a tape with the scenes. How many times has that happened, now?  :lol


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MUST
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TAPE

Finland
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I still hope someday we will see some footage with some deleted scene, even the shortest one


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Scribbles to Screen's Lost Media video on this was a good catch up too.

Doesn't look like anyone's linked it (forgive me if I missed it somewhere), but it's a very good video and I highly recommend it to any LBT fans. Goes into a lot of interesting detail on the background behind Don Bluth and the film itself.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s26WVTDR-8g


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It seems like over the years we keep thinking we’ve found a VHS copy with the missing footage, and every time it just leads us to  a standard copy.

But what about that rumor that the uncut version was broadcast in Finland in the mid-90’s? Do we know for sure that it was just a rumor?

I am no expert on this since I was a small kid back then, but I have a faint memory of seeing the first Land Before Time on VHS when visiting a friend in the early 2000's, and I was wondering why they had changed some of the scenes. The VHS my friend had was the regular version, so either:
a) I had seen the uncut version as a kid before (not when it broadcastet, but on tape. We used to record a lot of shows and movies on VHS tapes)
b) I didn't remember how the movie went / mixed it up with some other movie.

Maybe the latter is more likely, considering that I don't remember much about my childhood in the 90's. But, I know for sure that this is a topic that Finnish fans also talk about. Mostly I've seen it on toy collector forums/FB pages, so it's not necessarily that insightful, but I remember taking a part in a few conversations. Usually they end with a statement like "I hope that someone had recorded it on tape and still have it saved somewhere." So, I would say that it is a myth until someone can provide footage of it :\
If you look up early press reviews from 1988 you can find mentions of 80 minute runtime, which would be "proof" of existence.

This review is dated the same day as the theatrical release, so it could be the reviewer has seen a pre-theatrical preview screening with the scenes still intact.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/style/longterm/movies/videos/landbeforetime.htm


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I wonder if they will release a uncut version when don bluth dies. I know its sad too say but alot of the time when a director dies alot of there old work comes out.  :rhett_sad
Still waiting for the bluth cut


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Mo-o-o-o is super duper excited! Wow! Certainly did not expect this, but it's a very welcome surprise. :feelsgoodman :Mo

Nice to meet you, Stu Krieger. :duckyOK
I'm happy to know that you found our little niche community and that you are touched by our continued love for the movie. Thank you as well for your contributions to create the movie that have made the childhoods of mine and other people here.

Anyway, since this is an AMA, it is only appropriate that I ask you some questions that I am curious about. May add some more later on.

1. Not exactly related to the original movie itself, but are you still in touch with other writers or anyone else who had contributed to the first Land Before Time movie?

2. Based on the deleted scenes, the movie was supposed to have more gruesome/frightening scenes, especially ones related to Sharptooth and his attack. My question is, was the pressure to keep adherence to a "G" rated movie standard the main reason why the scenes had to be dialed down a bit? Were you guys considering at one point to make the movie "PG" in favor of keeping the movie's integrity intact? Correct me if I'm wrong, but Universal was the main culprit behind the decisions that the team had to make regarding the scenes that were deleted? (Hopefully this isn't too much for your NDA)

3...

1. Yes! Although I never even met the previous credited writers on LBT, I had a long working relationship across multiple projects with both Steven Spielberg and Don Bluth, who I still speak to today. I also recently reconnected with John Pomeroy, a lead animator and producer on the film. We're all pretty proud of how the movie has lived on.

2. Here's the truth: After years of being asked about the fabled "more violent" cut of the movie, I recently went back into my archives and uncovered what is perhaps the earliest cut of the movie in existence. It's so early, in fact, that some scenes aren't fully animated yet. I can now reveal....

Though there are a few extra moments the Sharptooth fight (some shots are held for slightly longer, there's a brief scream from Littlefoot's Mom that's slightly different to the theatrical release, etc), there are no violent deleted scenes! In fact, the early cut of the movie was shorter than the theatrical release.

So this feels appropriate to crosspost here. If I'm understanding him properly, the original cut isn't that different from the theatrical version?


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As I understood, what mr. Krieger meant, there weren't some extra violent/gore scenes during Littlefoot's Mom and Sharptooth fight. But as Pudleiner's storyboards, trailers and some colored cels show us, the scene of Sharptooth attacks the children + Earhshake was longer. I dunno how many seconds/minutes were cut from this long sequence, since Trex first appearence till the end Earthshake.


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https://www.reddit.com/r/lostmedia/comments/y84c4f/partially_lost_the_land_before_time_deleted_scenes/
 
he doesn't mention the end scene where there on the hill but technically thats not lost just not in the final cut of the film you can find it if you search for pizza hut lbt commercial
Still waiting for the bluth cut



Wonder what Stu Krieger is planning to do with that workprint tbh.


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This thread has been so quiet. We used to constantly be getting rumors about tapes that supposedly had the lost footage, only to always be let down. Well, I guess no news is good news in this case, since at least we’re not going to be getting our hopes up for nothing.


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https://www.instagram.com/p/DHw81nBs-v5/

Well crap, this is the closest we're getting to seeing deleted content. Stu Krieger has shown he indeed has that tape. I think this is the start of something good.. in time.


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My mind was exploded when I read these news on GOF Discord recently.

Can't wait to see what happens next, how will it progress.


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Ahhh!!! Mo-o-o is really hope we ain't being punked, tricked, and bamboozled! It is some super elaborate April Fools joke, or is it the real deal?!
:olittlefoot


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Hey guys, this is my first post on the forum in a while, I haven’t been around for a long time, but I figured this is as good a time as any to jump back in!

The workprint discovery by Krieger may be the biggest piece of news for the deleted scenes we’ve had. It’s the biggest lead by far. The next step, is to wait and see whether Krieger ends up pushing for it to be publicly viewable, which is unknown at this point. He would need the permission of Universal/Amblin to show any footage, and judging by the blurring in the Instagram post, that hasn’t happened yet. But to me, it would be quite cruel for him to make this kind of post and not even attempt to do something with it :p
Still, this is huge news, as it confirms that there is at least one workprint featuring multiple deleted scenes still in existence. And one of them - specifically this one - who knows, we could be on the cusp of something big guys :yes

Ahhh!!! Mo-o-o is really hope we ain't being punked, tricked, and bamboozled! It is some super elaborate April Fools joke, or is it the real deal?!
:olittlefoot

It’s real. Remember, it all lines up with the AMA response Krieger gave on the forum back in November where he said he had found an early workprint in his archive with a runtime shorter than the final release:

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Here's the truth: After years of being asked about the fabled "more violent" cut of the movie, I recently went back into my archives and uncovered what is perhaps the earliest cut of the movie in existence. It's so early, in fact, that some scenes aren't fully animated yet. I can now reveal....

Though there are a few extra moments the Sharptooth fight (some shots are held for slightly longer, there's a brief scream from Littlefoot's Mom that's slightly different to the theatrical release, etc), there are no violent deleted scenes! In fact, the early cut of the movie was shorter than the theatrical release.

My mind was exploded when I read these news on GOF Discord recently.

Can't wait to see what happens next, how will it progress.

Indeed, Sneak, I was mind blown to find out that he has a real workprint. I have contacted Krieger to see if I can learn anything else about what scenes are contained in it.
« Last Edit: March 30, 2025, 10:59:43 PM by Hypno »
Growing up I was a big LBT fan and had seen all movies and TV series episodes. On the forum, I was formerly known as Hypnobrai until Nov 11, 2017.

In recent years, I have gained an interest in the production of The Land Before Time, particularly the deleted scenes of the original film. New discoveries have been made in the last few years and continue to be made, so I feel that it is a good time to contribute.

I have always loved sharpteeth more than any other creatures in the franchise, such as the fourteenth film's Carnotaurus, the fifth film's Sharptooth, and #1 by far - the original Sharptooth.

From 2017-2019, I was an administrator for the LBT wiki.



(I'm a runner-up for the Appreciated Member 2017 award.)


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Hey guys, this is my first post on the forum in a while, I haven’t been around for a long time, but I figured this is as good a time as any to jump back in!

The workprint discovery by Krieger may be the biggest piece of news for the deleted scenes we’ve had. It’s the biggest lead by far. The next step, is to wait and see whether Krieger ends up pushing for it to be publicly viewable, which is unknown at this point. He would need the permission of Universal/Amblin to show any footage, and judging by the blurring in the Instagram post, that hasn’t happened yet. But to me, it would be quite cruel for him to make this kind of post and not even attempt to do something with it :p
Still, this is huge news, as it confirms that there is at least one workprint featuring multiple deleted scenes still in existence. And one of them - specifically this one - who knows, we could be on the cusp of something big guys :yes

I'd want to be excited. I do, I do! :Dducky

But at the same time... I hold the same opinion that many other people do... that I will believe it when I see it. However, considering it is Stu Krieger himself revealing the news, I will remain cautiously optimistic and have faith that indeed he is not being cruel to the fans.

Though if he wanted to do an actual April Fools joke... :thinking :taunttroll
He could have posted the reveal of the lost tape on Instagram on April 1st, making everybody believe he is just fooling us because after all... April Fools!!! Am I right? Then the real April Fools Joke is the fact that he actually does have the real footage, and he will release the unreleased shorter version of the first film with those extra Sharptooth attacking scenes!

Now, wouldn't that be swell!? :SharptoothAmused

Ahhh!!! Mo-o-o is really hope we ain't being punked, tricked, and bamboozled! It is some super elaborate April Fools joke, or is it the real deal?!
:olittlefoot

It’s real. Remember, it all lines up with the AMA response Krieger gave on the forum back in November where he said he had found an early workprint in his archive with a runtime shorter than the final release:

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Here's the truth: After years of being asked about the fabled "more violent" cut of the movie, I recently went back into my archives and uncovered what is perhaps the earliest cut of the movie in existence. It's so early, in fact, that some scenes aren't fully animated yet. I can now reveal....

Though there are a few extra moments the Sharptooth fight (some shots are held for slightly longer, there's a brief scream from Littlefoot's Mom that's slightly different to the theatrical release, etc), there are no violent deleted scenes! In fact, the early cut of the movie was shorter than the theatrical release.

This kind of slipped my mind actually, thanks for the refresher. Though I'm guessing at the time, in my initial excitement of having a pretty great answer despite the fact that Mr. Krieger could not reveal everything, I had forgotten the literal fact that, yes, indeed, he found a literal tape in his archives! The earliest cut in existence! So awesome! That I forgot to acknowledge it as something tangible, physical, real, that yes, it is possible that this footage can be released to the public in the foreseeable future! All I was thinking at the time was thanking him for his responses, his time, and his generosity.

But to be fair...perhaps my mind was also focusing on the "no violent deleted scenes" aspect. So awhile the news itself was exciting, the reveal that there is not the fabled "more violent" cut of the movie as Mr. Krieger would describe it as, made it perhaps a bit of a downer? Not saying that it dampened my excitement in the slightest, but that I suppose it made me inherently think less overall about the news.

And hey, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. He answered my question, answer my question he did! :RubyCurious
Always will be super grateful and happy that he came down to us on the forum to answer our questions. :smile


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Hey guys, this is my first post on the forum in a while, I haven’t been around for a long time, but I figured this is as good a time as any to jump back in!

The workprint discovery by Krieger may be the biggest piece of news for the deleted scenes we’ve had. It’s the biggest lead by far. The next step, is to wait and see whether Krieger ends up pushing for it to be publicly viewable, which is unknown at this point. He would need the permission of Universal/Amblin to show any footage, and judging by the blurring in the Instagram post, that hasn’t happened yet. But to me, it would be quite cruel for him to make this kind of post and not even attempt to do something with it :p
Still, this is huge news, as it confirms that there is at least one workprint featuring multiple deleted scenes still in existence. And one of them - specifically this one - who knows, we could be on the cusp of something big guys :yes

I'd want to be excited. I do, I do! :Dducky

But at the same time... I hold the same opinion that many other people do... that I will believe it when I see it. However, considering it is Stu Krieger himself revealing the news, I will remain cautiously optimistic and have faith that indeed he is not being cruel to the fans.

Though if he wanted to do an actual April Fools joke... :thinking :taunttroll
He could have posted the reveal of the lost tape on Instagram on April 1st, making everybody believe he is just fooling us because after all... April Fools!!! Am I right? Then the real April Fools Joke is the fact that he actually does have the real footage, and he will release the unreleased shorter version of the first film with those extra Sharptooth attacking scenes!

Now, wouldn't that be swell!? :SharptoothAmused

Ahhh!!! Mo-o-o is really hope we ain't being punked, tricked, and bamboozled! It is some super elaborate April Fools joke, or is it the real deal?!
:olittlefoot

It’s real. Remember, it all lines up with the AMA response Krieger gave on the forum back in November where he said he had found an early workprint in his archive with a runtime shorter than the final release:

Quote
Here's the truth: After years of being asked about the fabled "more violent" cut of the movie, I recently went back into my archives and uncovered what is perhaps the earliest cut of the movie in existence. It's so early, in fact, that some scenes aren't fully animated yet. I can now reveal....

Though there are a few extra moments the Sharptooth fight (some shots are held for slightly longer, there's a brief scream from Littlefoot's Mom that's slightly different to the theatrical release, etc), there are no violent deleted scenes! In fact, the early cut of the movie was shorter than the theatrical release.

This kind of slipped my mind actually, thanks for the refresher. Though I'm guessing at the time, in my initial excitement of having a pretty great answer despite the fact that Mr. Krieger could not reveal everything, I had forgotten the literal fact that, yes, indeed, he found a literal tape in his archives! The earliest cut in existence! So awesome! That I forgot to acknowledge it as something tangible, physical, real, that yes, it is possible that this footage can be released to the public in the foreseeable future! All I was thinking at the time was thanking him for his responses, his time, and his generosity.

But to be fair...perhaps my mind was also focusing on the "no violent deleted scenes" aspect. So awhile the news itself was exciting, the reveal that there is not the fabled "more violent" cut of the movie as Mr. Krieger would describe it as, made it perhaps a bit of a downer? Not saying that it dampened my excitement in the slightest, but that I suppose it made me inherently think less overall about the news.

And hey, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. He answered my question, answer my question he did! :RubyCurious
Always will be super grateful and happy that he came down to us on the forum to answer our questions. :smile

Really, by this point, it’s pretty much obvious that the rumours of the fight between Sharptooth and Littlefoot’s mother being more violent/bloody is mostly false. Yes, there is a little footage missing of their battle (19 seconds to be exact), and one shot of Mother yelling in pain definitely would’ve made it a bit more frightening for children, hence why it was removed. But overall, it wasn’t as visually graphic as the rumours suggest. Sharptooth biting Littlefoot’s mother was always intended to be shown in shadow, for example.

Still, it would be great to see the full version of these scenes the way they were originally intended. I swear, with so many significant lost media discoveries in the last few years, it’s killing me at this point that these scenes are still unavailable to us :p
« Last Edit: March 30, 2025, 11:14:01 PM by Hypno »
Growing up I was a big LBT fan and had seen all movies and TV series episodes. On the forum, I was formerly known as Hypnobrai until Nov 11, 2017.

In recent years, I have gained an interest in the production of The Land Before Time, particularly the deleted scenes of the original film. New discoveries have been made in the last few years and continue to be made, so I feel that it is a good time to contribute.

I have always loved sharpteeth more than any other creatures in the franchise, such as the fourteenth film's Carnotaurus, the fifth film's Sharptooth, and #1 by far - the original Sharptooth.

From 2017-2019, I was an administrator for the LBT wiki.



(I'm a runner-up for the Appreciated Member 2017 award.)


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He could have posted the reveal of the lost tape on Instagram on April 1st, making everybody believe he is just fooling us because after all... April Fools!!! Am I right? Then the real April Fools Joke is the fact that he actually does have the real footage

yeah, he wasted a perrrrrrfect opportunity.  :taunttroll  :bestsharptooth

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About "violent/bloody" scenes - I guess if there were any more scenes of intense fight after Mother was wounded, picturing her being wounded in any form, even without blood, not to mention frightened children observing this or trying to hide, it can still be considered as "violent scenes".
Judging by early script, there were such scenes, even if they were short.


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I’ve been a spectator on the GoF forums for over 11 years since I was a child, watching people discover stuff about the lost cut and the wild goose chases.

It’ll just be so wonderful when the voyage comes to an end and we finally have what many have been dreaming to see for decades.

I hope the best comes out of this.

 :)petrie