WeirdRaptor's Lord of the Rings Adapt. Face-Off:

[Kor]

Should be a good movie.  Still going to be 2 movies?

[Nick22]

yes its going to be made in 2 parts...

[Kor]

As he wanted it, that is good.  I guess what'shisname will return to play Gandalf?  Not sure if any others will return.  Elrond does appear in the hobbit and is a member of the white council also.  They could bring back Legolas but his part would be much smaller since he could really only appear, maybe, when the dwarves are caught by the elves in mirkwood, maybe a scene or 2 in the elf stronghold, once the elves besiege the lonely mountain (I think it's called) and the battle of 5 armies.  Not a main character.   I assume galadriel may be a member of the white council also, since she is from the first age and older then even Elrond.  She should be among the oldest of the elves still in middle earth I'd think since she did journey to Valinor and then back to middle earth.

[Nick22]

Mckellan Weaving and Serkis wil be back as Gandalf Elrond and Gollum respectively the White council would likely only appear in the second part as it is not mentioned much in the Hobbit.

[WeirdRaptor]

I'm still less than enthused about The Hobbit being stretched into two parts. I'm still not convinced that Bilbo's one and only story will remain the center of attention, no nevermind that his adventures were what made people fall in love with Middle-earth to begin with even if there was a "grander scheme".
Yeah, I know I keep saying that, but it really just bugs me.

[Nick22]

You're probably not alone in that WR. If you focused one film being just the hobbit and the second film being the "White Council' or whatever that would be one thing..

[Kor]

Did they say it would be like that, or if they'll switch back and forth like in the lord of the ring movies?

[Nick22]

I'm not sure about that Kor, i'll have to check..

[Kor]

No biggie, just curious.  Either would be ok with me.  I'm not super picky.  Though it would be interesting, to me at least,  to see what Gandalf was up to when he kept vanishing in the hobbit.

[WeirdRaptor]

Heh. I think we're only clued in on what he was doing a few times. For instance, I remember that he was missing from the group when they encountered the trolls because he was off scouting. He then rushed back when a couple of elves told him of the trio. Then I don't think he vanished again for any real length of time until their encounter with Beorn. That's when he drops out of the story when Bilbo meets him in the camp Kings Bard and Thranduil set up.

[Kor]

I think I read somewhere, forgot if it was in the lord of the rings, the extra info in the return of the king, the hobbit, or elsewhere, that at least part of the time Gandalf was away was to attend a meeting of the white council and then a group of them ousted a necromancer king.  Forgot if he was Sauron or the head of the nazgul in disguise.

[WeirdRaptor]

I think he was attending the Meeting of the White Council after he departed at the edge of Mirkwood. The Necromancer had been exposed and driven out in that time. Then afterwards Gandalf went with the Mirkwood elves to the region of Lake Town and Erebor/The Lonely Mountain.

[Kor]

That would make sense, since that was when he was gone for the longest time.

[Nick22]

The Necromancer was really Sauron. Gandalf had faced him while searching for Thrain, Thorin's father, who he found in Dol Guldar's dungeon, and retrieved the map and key. Thrain also held one of the 7 Dwarven rings, but Sauron took it from him before Gandalf could reach him.

[Kor]

I thought it may be sauron, though I think the head of the nazgul was called a necromancer also maybe so I wasn't sure.  

The dwarven rings didn't do anything to dwarves but make them more greedy if they wore them.  They could not turn invisible.  Though that is because of who made the dwarves who is superior to Sauron in power.

[Nick22]

yes the dwarves were created by one of the Valar, while Sauron was a Maiar, though a strong one. The head of the Nazgul was called the "witch-King".

[WeirdRaptor]

Heh heh. The fact that some of the key details have slipped our minds just shows how much there is to remember when it comes to Tolkien's universe.

One thing that comes to mind is that the elves might have been having a victory feast in the forest when the dwarves and Bilbo saw the torchlights and left the path Gandalf had designated.

[Kor]

Or the elves may have been having a party for some other reason.  Who knows.  

And Aule, I think his name is spelled, when he made them they were specifically designed to resist Melkor/Morgoth's power, unlike humans and elves who were not.  So naturally Sauron could not do anything to them with his rings.  

Though I do wonder when he told the other valar if that maybe gave whatshername, the idea to make the ents.  

I read somewhere that Tolkein put Galdalf the white and Sauron on about equal power level since I read he did answer someone's question in a letter if the 2 had fought who would have won and Tolkein said it would have been about 50/50 that Gandolf would win.  And Gandalf the white not just since he was improved in rank from grey to white but when Illuvator sent Gandalf back he removed the restrictions that Manwe put on the istari when they first went to middle earth.  

An interesting thing I read somewhere regarding the those ghost guys, forgot what they were called, that for that guy's curse on them to work Illuvator had to do that since he's the only one who could have kept them there as ghosts.  The valor and maia can extend life, but do anything like that I read.  not sure if it is true or not.  Tolkein likely wasn't thinking about that when he write that.  He may have just thought it would make a cool bit of a story and put it in.

[Nick22]

very interesting Kor, of course the Maiar are no match for Valar, which is why the wars between Morgoth and the other Valar were so devastating. those ghosts wre cursed by Ilsildur..

[Nick22]

the elves loved to party that i can recall, so the woodland elves could have been partying for any reason really..