Anyone here ever read Tolkien?

Nick22 · **Reply #120 on:** March 02, 2009, 01:22:12 AM

Yes, he was, and Elrond as well. which leads into immortal-life vs, mortal life. Elves can be killed so they are not completely immortal. Same goes with dragons..

Kor · **Reply #121 on:** March 02, 2009, 01:32:19 AM

Yes. Many do not realize the Elrond does come from the first age so it's pretty old, but not as old as Galadriel nor anywhere as old as Cirdan.

Nick22 · **Reply #122 on:** March 02, 2009, 01:48:47 AM

Elrond is a half-elf so he was given a choice between a mortal lifespan or an immortal one. He chose immortality... his daughter Arwen chose mortality in order to live with Aragorn...

Kor · **Reply #123 on:** March 02, 2009, 01:54:14 AM

and I read so did his sons. He also has some Maia blood in him as well since I think Melain is an ancestor of his. I'm not sure how many generations back. I think it is on his father's side, though I may be wrong.

Nick22 · **Reply #124 on:** March 02, 2009, 01:56:39 AM

Yes, the immortality is from his fathers side, way back in the Elder days.. The LOTR takes place at the end of the Middle Days.... and the Younger Days I presume refer to the dominance of Men.

Kor · **Reply #125 on:** March 02, 2009, 02:07:22 AM

Yes, as elves left middle earth, or faded & dwarves I think reduced in numbers till Duran the 7th I think, which will come at the end of dwarves or somesuch.

Nick22 · **Reply #126 on:** March 02, 2009, 02:14:49 AM

Durin the 7th, the 6th ruler of that name since Durin the DEathless back in the First Age. Dwarves themselves usually live a hundred years or so, although Dain lived into his 250s...

Kor · **Reply #127 on:** March 02, 2009, 02:27:23 AM

They can live a long while. I'm not sure what is average for dwarves.

Nick22 · **Reply #128 on:** March 02, 2009, 02:43:47 AM

Most of them live into thier hundreds, some even to 200, but it was not common for dwarves by the late Third Age to live to 250. Dain was the exception..

Kor · **Reply #129 on:** March 02, 2009, 02:49:45 AM

I guess it fit with the fading that seemed to be the overall theme. Each age was less then the one before.

Nick22 · **Reply #130 on:** March 02, 2009, 03:07:02 AM

and that continued into the 4th age. Gimli died about 80 years after the 4th Age began.. or rather he left around that time with Legolas.. read into that what you will

Kor · **Reply #131 on:** March 02, 2009, 03:13:36 AM

I read he wanted to see Galadriel one last time, and maybe not be separated from Legolas. I've not read anywhere where dwarves were forbidden from in Valinor, though I guess having maybe Gandalf, Galadrile and maybe a few others thinking it may be ok it may have been easier for him.

Nick22 · **Reply #132 on:** March 02, 2009, 03:18:49 AM

While dawrves were not forbidden, they had their own place if i recall correctly, and so exceptions had to be made for them to leave together..

Kor · **Reply #133 on:** March 02, 2009, 03:27:06 AM

True, so maybe he went right to whatshisname's hall. The one who made the dwarves, and I'd guess maybe the only one, maybe, to enter his hall alive. Aule, not sure of his name.

Nick22 · **Reply #134 on:** March 02, 2009, 05:34:27 PM

Aume, I think his name was. Dwarves wait in a big hall, or so Thorin said to Bilbo as he was dying. "Now I go to sit beside my fathers.. until the world is renewed"

Kor · **Reply #135 on:** March 02, 2009, 05:47:16 PM

Supposedly they are going to help him to rebuild the world after the final battle. I guess they just sit around and do nothing till then. I wander what they'll do once the world is finished being rebuilt.

Nick22 · **Reply #136 on:** March 02, 2009, 05:49:25 PM

Probably join in a huge party with all the elves Hobbits and Men in the Undying lands..

Kor · **Reply #137 on:** March 02, 2009, 05:58:54 PM

That sounds like it could be great. I wonder who could drink who under the table.

Nick22 · **Reply #138 on:** March 02, 2009, 06:04:33 PM

Yeah, that would be fun to see.. I wonder where dragons go when they die.. and where Gollum ended up.. I know Sauron was cast into the Void with Morgoth, his former master..

Kor · **Reply #139 on:** March 02, 2009, 06:34:30 PM

Maybe where ever Saurman went when the wind from the west, if I recall the description, came in when he looked to the west after Wormtongue killed him.