Anyone here ever read Tolkien?

Nick22 · **Reply #140 on:** March 02, 2009, 06:48:54 PM

Funny that he was blown away, rejected by the Valar for his failure. gandalf was brought back,after death, because his task was not complete. Saruman had forsaken his task.. whatever it had originally been, so there was no reasion to revive Saruman..

Kor · **Reply #141 on:** March 02, 2009, 08:10:33 PM

And since he had done what he had done it seems he was rejected, as you said. I guess someone like Radgast, if he remains in middle earth, if he got killed by some monster or something may not have that happen. But who can really say.

Nick22 · **Reply #142 on:** March 03, 2009, 12:17:21 AM

Radagst got side tracked, but we don't know what became of him, or the blue Wizards..perhaps Tolkein didn't think about adding anything to the brief mentions he had already set down. For our purposes , Gandalf and Saruman were the greatest of the order..

Kor · **Reply #143 on:** March 03, 2009, 12:19:47 AM

Yes, that is how I see it also. 1 could easily just assume there were just 2 wizards only.

Nick22 · **Reply #144 on:** March 03, 2009, 12:25:48 AM

well, 2 doesn't make much of an order, 5 is a nice number, or 7. I think the wizards were called by the color of thier beards, although I have no proof of that..

Kor · **Reply #145 on:** March 03, 2009, 12:48:11 AM

Yes, that is maybe what Tolkein was thinking, 2 is to small for an order so he may have picked 5 since that could be an order.

I've no idea if the color is their beards, clothes, eyes, hair, or whatevers. Beard is as good as any.

Nick22 · **Reply #146 on:** March 03, 2009, 12:49:24 AM

Then the question is how did the Blue Wizards get Blue beards

Did they dip them in paint?

Kor · **Reply #147 on:** March 03, 2009, 12:51:07 AM

Maybe they did. If there were more in the order then they'd have what, green beards, orange, purple?

Nick22 · **Reply #148 on:** March 03, 2009, 12:52:16 AM

Yes, Griswold the Pink. Don't ask, and we won't tell

Kor · **Reply #149 on:** March 03, 2009, 01:02:55 AM

Hamfast the polkadoted. Halsted the green. Karmek the purple.

Nick22 · **Reply #150 on:** March 03, 2009, 01:04:00 AM

Silmar the violet.. we could go on and on

Kor · **Reply #151 on:** March 03, 2009, 01:06:40 AM

I wonder if that what you had to do in the lord of the rings rpg system. I heard in that rpg that you could join the wizard order eventually.

Nick22 · **Reply #152 on:** March 03, 2009, 01:09:49 AM

Possibly, I don't know as I never played it.. Ok, what is one hthing from the stories that has always puzzled you?

Kor · **Reply #153 on:** March 03, 2009, 01:23:04 AM

I can't think of anything right off hand. Some stories I've not read in 20 years, in the case of the unfinished tales. Though I do wonder why he choose bilbo. They have the reason why in unfinished tales but I forgot the details.

Nick22 · **Reply #154 on:** March 03, 2009, 01:29:40 AM

I think he was chosen because of Bilbo's tough inner nature. Even when he had the ring, the ring never really gained control over him, although by the time he left it to FRodo, it was starting to gain control.

Kor · **Reply #155 on:** March 03, 2009, 01:34:16 AM

It seems sam was stronger since the ring tried and he rejected it.

Maybe bilbo was resistant to it.

Nick22 · **Reply #156 on:** March 03, 2009, 01:37:51 AM

Bilbo was resistant to it, and Sam only had to carry it a short way, it would likely had been different had he been the one carrying it thousands of miles like Frodo had. The ring would have began wearing on him as well..

Kor · **Reply #157 on:** March 03, 2009, 01:57:29 AM

Perhaps, but he was close to mt doom, and he did reject it.

I read on a web page a while back someone giving is critiques and one thing he said was that Gandolf's mission failed from the start since Frodo was under the snare of the ring.

He also said that Manwe's failed and it was Illuvator (or however you spell his name) is who sent Gandalf back. No idea if any of what he said is true.

Nick22 · **Reply #158 on:** March 03, 2009, 02:22:55 AM

Illuvator did bring Gandalf back, and in fact made him stronger.Illuvator was Tlkien's stand-in for God.. anyway, he brought Gandalf back so the mission could be completed. As for the ring influencing Frodo, that couldn't be helped, theie only hope lay in Frodo resisting long enough to throw it into Mt. Dooom.

Kor · **Reply #159 on:** March 03, 2009, 02:45:51 AM

At least things turned out well. I always thought a campaign set during the first or second age could be interesting. Though it would take quite a bit of knowledge maybe of things.