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Redclaw and Sharptooth

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Not sure how many of you know this, but I'm a supporter in the idea that Redclaw and Sharptooth are one and the same dinosaur. I've written an explaination for why I believe this may be so.

1. Death

The first sharptooth seems to die at the end of the first movie. However, there is never a confirmation in the movie that Sharptooth had actually died. And it is not true that sharpteeth could not swim. In the fifth movie we see the striped sharptooth swimming in the Big Water, and there was a scientific discovery that showed evidence of large theropods being able to swim. Sharptooth could have come out of the water after the kids had left and disappeared, perhaps to recover from whatever injuries he had sustained.

2. Strength

It is obvious that Redclaw does not seem as physically strong as Sharptooth, and has not displayed any feats of wonder that Sharptooth had. However, there are some explainations for this. Redclaw might be slowly succumbing to old age, becoming weaker. If Redclaw is indeed pretty old, that alone would explain his lack of "incredible feats". Another explaination could be that Redclaw is only pretending to appear weaker than Sharptooth to fool the Great Valley into thinking he could be generally easily defeated. He could use this as an advantage and attack when they least expected it, when he felt the time was right.


3. Determination

Redclaw is probably the most determined terrestial sharptooth other than the original. Just as with the original Sharptooth following Littlefoot and his friends throughout the months that it probably took to the Great Valley, Redclaw hangs relatively close to the outside of the Great Valley. How long he has been there is unknown, but it was at least one year as revealed in one of the episodes. This kind of determination has only been seen one time before with the first Sharptooth.

4. Size

Chomper once mentions that Redclaw is the "biggest and meanest sharptooth of them all", a reputation that could easily describe the first Sharptooth. This kind of reputation could link Redclaw to Sharptooth, as it does nothing to disprove that there is no real connection between the two dinosaurs.

5. Appearance

It is obvious that Redclaw looks different from Sharptooth and this could be evidence that they are two different dinosaurs. But again this can be explained. Sharptooth's original eye was damaged when Littlefoot accidentally hit him with a thorn and over time it could have changed from the original red color to a pale yellow, perhaps caused by pus and the vision in that eye could have been permanently damaged, which may also account for his lack of doing things that Sharptooth was able to do. The skin of his body could have dramatically paled due to old age or severe malnutrition, caused by not being able to hunt as effectively as he could, although he's clearly eaten well enough to sustain himself for years.

6. Teamwork

The original Sharptooth seems powerful enough to hunt on his own, and thus it would appear odd that he would need help from fastbiters. However, damaged eyesight could be why he hangs around two fastbiters. It could be a symbiotic relationship similar to Dil and Ichy. The fastbiters could be the "eyes", doing most of the searching for prey while Redclaw is their brawn, the big guy to take down the prey. Redclaw's decreased strength could be another factor in him seeking help from what look like two young fastbiters.

7. Scar

The scar seems to be on the wrong side. It would make sense for the scar to be on the side where Sharptooth had originally suffered the blow from the thorns. However the thorns didn't leave long scratches on the dinosaur's skin in anyway. The notion that the scar would be on the right side would not make sense because of this. The long scar most likely has another origin. It could have been recieved when he had been knocked into the water by Littlefoot and his friends, perhaps hitting his head on a sharp ledge down there. He also could have suffered an injury sometime later, perhaps hitting his head against a sharp rock when lunging for prey.

8. Intelligence

Redclaw does not seem to be as smart as Sharptooth and could be seen as being senial. This could be attributed to his possible old age or the lack of good nutrition. Redclaw probably is not as smart as he once was if he is indeed old. Malnutrition could have weakened not only the body but the mind as well. The original Sharptooth would have shown a decrease in intelligence as well as he had gotten older or suffered from malnutrition as well. The lack of intelligence is not a good explaination to seperate Redclaw from Sharptooth.

9. Revenge

In the first movie, Sharptooth was motivated by revenge, constantly hunting down Littlefoot and his friends even what appears to be months later. Redclaw shows similar determination in the series. His motivation could be the same as that of Sharptooth, explaining why he seems to constantly target the same kids and why he seemed to be after Ruby, her family, and Chomper. Redclaw might even be more determined than Sharptooth given that he has hung around the valley for at least one year while Sharptooth has probably only been hunting the gang for a few months. It could be that Sharptooth's lust for revenge and determination had increased after his defeat outside the valley's walls.



Possible Story:

After being struck by the boulder and pushed underneath the water, Sharptooth could have come to a short time after the young dinosaurs left the scene. Using his powerful legs, he could easily have pushed himself out of the water and crawled back onto the land. The boulder would have left some serious injuries, and he might have left the scene quickly to find a safe place to heal. His right eye would have healed, but due to pus being in there for so long, his eye could have been permanently stained a pale yellow, and the eye would hae lost some sight in it, making it harder for him to see. Without his once reliable eyesight, he is no longer able to hunt very well, and loses his strength as he becomes less able to hunt and take down large prey.

Over time, he would have started to succumb to a combination of malnutrition and old age, and the combination of the two could have caused his skin to change from a healthy black to an unhealthy pale color. He may have run into Screech and Thudd at some point and formed a symbiotic relationship where they helped each other to hunt. Screech and Thudd became the eyes while Sharptooth would be the brawn. But even with the help of Screech and Thudd, Sharptooth would continue to have problems hunting down large, nutritious prey and would continue to suffer for it. And as he got older, his strength would continue to weaken to point where he barely retains half the strength he once did. Screech and Thudd would continue to remain by his side because they still desired the protection from such a large sharptooth.

Sharptooth may have had a run-in with Chomper's parents and may have tried to attack Chomper, only to hit his head against a sharp rock and causing him to get the long scar on his left side. The cut may have caused some damage in his left eye, leaving him even less able to hunt for himself. Furious, Sharptooth could have hunted down Chomper relentlessly, which may be why Ruby was assigned to protect Chomper and why Sharptooth would have been after her family. This also explains why Sharptooth hangs near the Great Valley outside of Littlefoot and his friends being there. Sharptooth's name would have been changed to Redclaw because of one of his hand claws being permanently stained red as a result of the deep cut.

Somewhere along the lines, relatively quickly, Redclaw would have discovered Littlefoot and his friends were there along with Chomper. Knowing that the very dinosaurs he sought revenge on were there, his determination would increase to an intensity that beats the determination that he had before. He would stay near the valley for however long it takes to get his revenge on those dinosaurs, staying around for at least a year, perhaps even longer. He would start pretending to be pretty stupid and not too strong in order to fool the gang into thinking they could defeat him easily. He would not charge in like he did before because he would remember the last time he had been so foolish. Redclaw might know the original entrance of the Great Valley and perhaps is biding his time until he is certain of the right time.

Anyone have any thoughts on this?


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I like this theory. :yes

I actually wondered this before myself. I wondered if maybe the original sharp tooth was indeed Red Claw because both t-rexes do have some similarities.

I think this theory is a definite possibility. :)


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It is an interesting theory, though somewhat sad that something as strong as the original Sharptooth would be reduced so low.


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I see some problems with the old age bit.

The gang does not seem to have aged substantially so it is not likely Redclaw is an older version of The Sharptooth as I do believe theropods did have a fairly long lifespan and age at the same rate as the other dinosaurs.

Also, it is kinda sad to see the nearly invulnerable sharptooth neutered in the form you describe.

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Quote from: Serris,Aug 28 2008 on  12:20 AM
I see some problems with the old age bit.

The gang does not seem to have aged substantially so it is not likely Redclaw is an older version of The Sharptooth as I do believe theropods did have a fairly long lifespan and age at the same rate as the other dinosaurs.

Also, it is kinda sad to see the nearly invulnerable sharptooth neutered in the form you describe.
About the gang not seemingly aged so much, I had thought of that beforehand, but still decided to put in the old age idea in. We don't know how much time has passed, but it was most likely a significant amount of time (for example, Cera's now almost larger than Littlefoot). The old age idea was actually inspired from a conversation I had with someone.

Now as for the whole "invulnerable Sharptooth being neutured" part, I don't regard Sharptooth as being invulnerable. I never considered him to be "supernatural". He was an animal, no more so than any of the other characters. Yes, he was able to do things that seem abnormal, but I attribute that to him being rather strong and resistant for a sharptooth his size, not because he's nearly invulnerable.

Having him being reduced to being weak, I don't see that as being sad. I see it as natural and believable. No one can ever stay so strong forever. If Sharptooth had truly lived, he would have become weaker and weaker as he got older. He would not retain his "supernatural strength" forever.

Edit: Hmm. I should probably revise the theory a bit.


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Quote from: DarkHououmon,Aug 27 2008 on  05:26 PM
Not sure how many of you know this, but I'm a supporter in the idea that Redclaw and Sharptooth are one and the same dinosaur. I've written an explaination for why I believe this may be so.

1. Death

The first sharptooth seems to die at the end of the first movie. However, there is never a confirmation in the movie that Sharptooth had actually died. And it is not true that sharpteeth could not swim. In the fifth movie we see the striped sharptooth swimming in the Big Water, and there was a scientific discovery that showed evidence of large theropods being able to swim. Sharptooth could have come out of the water after the kids had left and disappeared, perhaps to recover from whatever injuries he had sustained.

2. Strength

It is obvious that Redclaw does not seem as physically strong as Sharptooth, and has not displayed any feats of wonder that Sharptooth had. However, there are some explainations for this. Redclaw might be slowly succumbing to old age, becoming weaker. If Redclaw is indeed pretty old, that alone would explain his lack of "incredible feats". Another explaination could be that Redclaw is only pretending to appear weaker than Sharptooth to fool the Great Valley into thinking he could be generally easily defeated. He could use this as an advantage and attack when they least expected it, when he felt the time was right.


3. Determination

Redclaw is probably the most determined terrestial sharptooth other than the original. Just as with the original Sharptooth following Littlefoot and his friends throughout the months that it probably took to the Great Valley, Redclaw hangs relatively close to the outside of the Great Valley. How long he has been there is unknown, but it was at least one year as revealed in one of the episodes. This kind of determination has only been seen one time before with the first Sharptooth.

4. Size

Chomper once mentions that Redclaw is the "biggest and meanest sharptooth of them all", a reputation that could easily describe the first Sharptooth. This kind of reputation could link Redclaw to Sharptooth, as it does nothing to disprove that there is no real connection between the two dinosaurs.

5. Appearance

It is obvious that Redclaw looks different from Sharptooth and this could be evidence that they are two different dinosaurs. But again this can be explained. Sharptooth's original eye was damaged when Littlefoot accidentally hit him with a thorn and over time it could have changed from the original red color to a pale yellow, perhaps caused by pus and the vision in that eye could have been permanently damaged, which may also account for his lack of doing things that Sharptooth was able to do. The skin of his body could have dramatically paled due to old age or severe malnutrition, caused by not being able to hunt as effectively as he could, although he's clearly eaten well enough to sustain himself for years.

6. Teamwork

The original Sharptooth seems powerful enough to hunt on his own, and thus it would appear odd that he would need help from fastbiters. However, damaged eyesight could be why he hangs around two fastbiters. It could be a symbiotic relationship similar to Dil and Ichy. The fastbiters could be the "eyes", doing most of the searching for prey while Redclaw is their brawn, the big guy to take down the prey. Redclaw's decreased strength could be another factor in him seeking help from what look like two young fastbiters.

7. Scar

The scar seems to be on the wrong side. It would make sense for the scar to be on the side where Sharptooth had originally suffered the blow from the thorns. However the thorns didn't leave long scratches on the dinosaur's skin in anyway. The notion that the scar would be on the right side would not make sense because of this. The long scar most likely has another origin. It could have been recieved when he had been knocked into the water by Littlefoot and his friends, perhaps hitting his head on a sharp ledge down there. He also could have suffered an injury sometime later, perhaps hitting his head against a sharp rock when lunging for prey.

8. Intelligence

Redclaw does not seem to be as smart as Sharptooth and could be seen as being senial. This could be attributed to his possible old age or the lack of good nutrition. Redclaw probably is not as smart as he once was if he is indeed old. Malnutrition could have weakened not only the body but the mind as well. The original Sharptooth would have shown a decrease in intelligence as well as he had gotten older or suffered from malnutrition as well. The lack of intelligence is not a good explaination to seperate Redclaw from Sharptooth.

9. Revenge

In the first movie, Sharptooth was motivated by revenge, constantly hunting down Littlefoot and his friends even what appears to be months later. Redclaw shows similar determination in the series. His motivation could be the same as that of Sharptooth, explaining why he seems to constantly target the same kids and why he seemed to be after Ruby, her family, and Chomper. Redclaw might even be more determined than Sharptooth given that he has hung around the valley for at least one year while Sharptooth has probably only been hunting the gang for a few months. It could be that Sharptooth's lust for revenge and determination had increased after his defeat outside the valley's walls.



Possible Story:

After being struck by the boulder and pushed underneath the water, Sharptooth could have come to a short time after the young dinosaurs left the scene. Using his powerful legs, he could easily have pushed himself out of the water and crawled back onto the land. The boulder would have left some serious injuries, and he might have left the scene quickly to find a safe place to heal. His right eye would have healed, but due to pus being in there for so long, his eye could have been permanently stained a pale yellow, and the eye would hae lost some sight in it, making it harder for him to see. Without his once reliable eyesight, he is no longer able to hunt very well, and loses his strength as he becomes less able to hunt and take down large prey.

Over time, he would have started to succumb to a combination of malnutrition and old age, and the combination of the two could have caused his skin to change from a healthy black to an unhealthy pale color. He may have run into Screech and Thudd at some point and formed a symbiotic relationship where they helped each other to hunt. Screech and Thudd became the eyes while Sharptooth would be the brawn. But even with the help of Screech and Thudd, Sharptooth would continue to have problems hunting down large, nutritious prey and would continue to suffer for it. And as he got older, his strength would continue to weaken to point where he barely retains half the strength he once did. Screech and Thudd would continue to remain by his side because they still desired the protection from such a large sharptooth.

Sharptooth may have had a run-in with Chomper's parents and may have tried to attack Chomper, only to hit his head against a sharp rock and causing him to get the long scar on his left side. The cut may have caused some damage in his left eye, leaving him even less able to hunt for himself. Furious, Sharptooth could have hunted down Chomper relentlessly, which may be why Ruby was assigned to protect Chomper and why Sharptooth would have been after her family. This also explains why Sharptooth hangs near the Great Valley outside of Littlefoot and his friends being there. Sharptooth's name would have been changed to Redclaw because of one of his hand claws being permanently stained red as a result of the deep cut.

Somewhere along the lines, relatively quickly, Redclaw would have discovered Littlefoot and his friends were there along with Chomper. Knowing that the very dinosaurs he sought revenge on were there, his determination would increase to an intensity that beats the determination that he had before. He would stay near the valley for however long it takes to get his revenge on those dinosaurs, staying around for at least a year, perhaps even longer. He would start pretending to be pretty stupid and not too strong in order to fool the gang into thinking they could defeat him easily. He would not charge in like he did before because he would remember the last time he had been so foolish. Redclaw might know the original entrance of the Great Valley and perhaps is biding his time until he is certain of the right time.

Anyone have any thoughts on this?
The only problem is that Red Claw's damaged eye is on the wrong side.


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I think, RedClaw was lucky, that the gang have defeated the original sharptooth in the first movie. Because else, he would never be able to achieve the rank of "the meaneest sharptooth of all". :)


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I always assumed they were 2 different sharpteeth.


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and i always agree with kor in some ways...


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I would also agree with Kor. However, I think I could provide my own version of that theory:

Sharptooth and Redclaw are different sharpteeth, but they are related (they are brothers, father/son, or something else like that). Perhaps since Redclaw was considered the weaker of the two of them, the reason he is after the gang is to prove that he is the "biggest and meanest sharptooth of them all" (by killing the ones Sharptooth couldn't kill).

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I have often wonder that myself though Redclaw seems more interested in catching little chomper than the ones that caused his injuries. Ruby claims that is why they are hiding in a cave instead of being outside in the valley like the others. Red claw likes to pick on other sharpteeth like fast biters and T-Rexs. He was able to sniff chomper out when he was looking for a new cave in the episode the cave of many voices.


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um, if he kills fast biters, why are his somewhat klumsy assistants screech and thud with him without being killed? :huh:


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Because they are his allies. He no doubt realizes that there is strength in numbers, but not a lot of raptors would feel secure around the biggest and meanest of all sharpteeth (sharptooths?  :blink: ) and thus their only use to Redclaw would be as food.


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DarkHououmon, you make a very logical argument. I do say, you do make a convincing argument. However, I must disagree on you on a few counts.

Firstly, we notice that in the movie, the Sharptooth was hit by the boulder in the stomach. Getting hit in that area would knock the breath out of anything, which explains how Petrie survived; the impact caused the Sharptooth's mouth to open. Being pushed underwater without any breath, it seems very unlikely to be able to survive for very long, especially for a large creature. The oxygen needed to sustain the body would be much larger than a a human's, and the length of time that any creature can hold its breath underwater can be calculated by finding the ratio of the volume of the lungs and the amount of oxygen needed. I doubt such a creature would have a high ratio of volume-to-oxygen requirements, so the best bet is that the Sharptooth drowned.

Secondly, even if the original Sharptooth did survive, it would have had moderately severe injuries at the least, making it easy prey for other sharpteeth. I doubt that any creature would have survived for long with the injuries that would have been sustained by the boulder's impact. Either the Sharptooth would have succumbed to the severity of the injuries and died or would have been attacked by a healthier, stronger Sharptooth and been killed.

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By the way, I don't necessarily disagree with you. I'm actually just practicing my debating for JSA this year. Thank you for giving me such a strong pro-argument to counter. It took me quite a while to find any chink in your logical armor.


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Redclaw is called that for a reason.He has a red claw.He has a scar from his eye to it. There is no evidence that the original sharptooth had gotten a scar like that from the movie. The original one was more brighter than redclaw.


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I think that sharptooth from the first movie died. Sharptooth and Red Claw are different dinosaurs. I think so...


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Sharptooth was the name of the main Sharptooth in the first LBT. Topsy and Grandma and Granpa longneck know this. There is no reason to give redclaw a new name. Sharptooth is more likely to be the sharptooth in the lone dinosaur legends as they display much more similarities. I doubt redclaw could be sharptooth as redclaw's skin in much fairer compared to sharptooth in which by logic, age should not make the skin anymore fairer and dinos did not have skin lotions
But perhaps Redclaw is the descendent of sharptooth which explain the characteristics and why Redclaw stalks the great valley for revenge.


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Redclaw is a different sharptooth. Sharptooth was truely a monster. We all saw the first movie I mean he could jump twice his heigh and he fell down at least from a fatal height but surivied! Until I see redclaw do this he will always be a different shraptooth.


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If this is all that counts however, we must assume the LBT 6 sharptooth to be on the same level as the original one. Actually that fall might have even been higher than that of the original sharptooth.