Anyone here ever read Tolkien?

Nick22 · **Reply #160 on:** March 03, 2009, 03:01:02 AM

Yes the Silmarilion had quests in spades. the quest to get the 3 Simarils from Morgoth, who, you must remember was a former member of the Valar, in fact only Manwe was greater, so his power dwarfed that of Sauron, even at Sauron's peak. Sending the Istari against him would have been foolish, it would have been signing thier death warrants...

Kor · **Reply #161 on:** March 03, 2009, 03:06:52 AM

Since he was a Valar, like Sauron is a Maiar. I read, not sure if he really said it, that if Gandalf personally fought Sauron (I guess he meant Gandalf the white, his chance of winning is 50/50. The Istari would stand no chance against his master Morgoth. It would be about the same as Sauron or Balrogs or Dragons tried to attack Manwe.

Nick22 · **Reply #162 on:** March 03, 2009, 03:11:10 AM

Yes, Gandalf's power would rival that of Sauron, and be dwarfed by Morgoth, the only ones who could defeat him were the other Valar. I'm not sure if Dragons were considered Maiar, I know the Balrog was.. and he was a match for Gandalf the Grey..it literally took everything Gandalf had to kill him..

Kor · **Reply #163 on:** March 03, 2009, 03:15:15 AM

I assumed or read, that dragons were created or bred by Morgoth, though I may be wrong. Though that doesn't mean there could not have been, potentially, some maia who looked similar to dragons.

Nick22 · **Reply #164 on:** March 03, 2009, 03:17:56 AM

well considering that there were no "good" dragons, one can assume that dragons were evil, had Bard not Slain smaug, Sauron would have used him to incinerate a huge area around the lonely mountain, and probably had him attack mirkwood and the Elves who lived there..

Kor · **Reply #165 on:** March 03, 2009, 03:27:29 AM

Very likely indeed, among other things.

Saft · **Reply #166 on:** March 03, 2009, 04:30:27 PM

But also there is mention of dragons in the south (in The Lord of the Rings), they just (after Bard killing Smaug) became 'extinct' in the North.

Presuming that all dragons are 'evil', could slightly be null and void. After all, we know that not all wizards are good.

Isn't Gandalf a Maiar? Or did I read that incorrectly?

Nick22 · **Reply #167 on:** March 03, 2009, 04:32:02 PM

All the wizards were Maiar, as was the Balrog, and Sauron himself.. well, there no mention of Dragons fighting against Sauron..

Saft · **Reply #168 on:** March 03, 2009, 04:57:13 PM

I apologise, that sounded really dim witted on my part.

Gandalf+wizard=Maiar.....

Mental block.
Concentration isn't great at the moment, not very happy.

Nick22 · **Reply #169 on:** March 03, 2009, 05:02:36 PM

It happens, brain farts happen to all of us..

Kor · **Reply #170 on:** March 03, 2009, 07:19:10 PM

I assume many may have read the hobbit and the lord of the rings and not know or have figured out what wizards really are.

Serris · **Reply #171 on:** March 03, 2009, 07:22:58 PM

I have read the Hobbit.

Nick22 · **Reply #172 on:** March 03, 2009, 07:43:34 PM

Did you like it Serris? Have you read any of the Lord of the Rings?

Saft · **Reply #173 on:** March 04, 2009, 12:49:44 PM

Serris what was your favourite part of the Hobbit?

(edit): oh and who or whom was/were your favorite character(s)? If you had one.

When I read the hobbit, my favourite part was the trolls ambushing and discussing what to do about the dwarves.

My favourite character was the Eagle Lord.

Saft · **Reply #174 on:** May 07, 2009, 12:11:09 PM

In case anyone is interested and in case anyone has not found this previously:

Thain's encylopedia
Thain's encylopedia

I haven't viewed all of it but it does appear to be a rather acceptable non-official encylopedia.

Just in case anyone is interested that is all, thought I would share it with you.

Nick22 · **Reply #175 on:** May 07, 2009, 12:11:38 PM

looks very interesting. thanks saft

Saft · **Reply #176 on:** May 07, 2009, 12:12:50 PM

No problem Nick.

I thought it would be nice for fellow Lord of the rings fans to view. I'll try to correct the link though. HTML and I aren't particular friends.

Kor · **Reply #177 on:** May 07, 2009, 01:32:53 PM

There is also a wiki up at: http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Middle-earth

Saft · **Reply #178 on:** May 07, 2009, 02:56:07 PM

Thank you for that Kor.

Kor · **Reply #179 on:** May 07, 2009, 09:49:13 PM

I found another with info on middle earth. It's labeled the encyclopedia of Arda. Not sure if any would be interested.

http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/default.asp